Tempers flare at U.S.-Iran summit in Baghdad

posted at 9:41 pm on March 10, 2007 by Allahpundit

The healing begins.

During the talks, U.S. envoy David Satterfield pointed to his briefcase which he said contained documents proving Iran was arming Shiite Muslim militias in Iraq.

“Your accusations are merely a cover for your failures in Iraq,” Iran’s chief envoy Abbas Araghchi shot back, according to an official familiar to the discussions who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information…

Labid Abbawi, a senior Iraqi Foreign Ministry official who attended the meeting, confirmed that an argument broke out between the Iranian and American envoys. He would not elaborate.

I had a daydream about Satterfield handing the Iranian envoy a photo of that missing general with a gag in his mouth and a red, white, and blue cowboy hat on his head. Which, admittedly, wouldn’t have been very nice considering their envoy was kind enough today to line up next to the Democrats in calling for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal. Expect to hear about that next week from the GOP when the House and Senate begin debate on the Iraq spending bill.

Meanwhile in Tehran, the Iranian economy is in a state of “meltdown”:

Despite a 20 per cent increase in the national budget last year, Mr Ahmadinejad had to go back to Iran’s parliament, the Majlis, six times to ask for more money. Government expenditure is extremely high and rising – a pledge to reduce budgetary dependence on oil supplements by 10 per cent each year has been thrown aside as the government has resorted to using the Oil Reserve Fund as its piggy bank. Commentators speculate that Iran has inadequate foreign currency reserves to negotiate the demands of the coming year.

In fact, the extent of government borrowing from Iranian banks is jeopardising the solidity of the Iranian banking system. The borrowing increased by nearly 50 per cent last year and this swollen government sector carries significant knock-on inflationary implications. The official target for inflation is 9.9 per cent but the current rate is thought to be at least 20 per cent, and rising. In certain foods it is closer to 40 per cent and some fresh vegetables are disappearing in Tehran.

A large part of this economic crisis is home-grown but the tightening of American sanctions must give the economic planners even greater head-aches. The US has become much more adept at using its financial muscle to persuade non-American banks to withdraw financing from its chosen enemies.

Good stuff at the link too about Iran’s oil clusterfark, but nothing you haven’t heard before. How bad has the situation become? This bad.

Touchy-feely rhetoric, hostility towards Israel, and now gas rationing. Exit question: Is Ahmadinejad the Persian Jimmy Carter?


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It would be,dare I say it.so Reagenesque if they just folded before we had to attack them.

bbz123 on March 10, 2007 at 9:44 PM

the problem with a crashing economy in a dictatorship is that there’s two possible options
1. The people revolt from within to change (USSR)
or
2. The leaders start a war to get the peoples minds off of it (Argentina/Iraq)

Defector01 on March 10, 2007 at 9:46 PM

2. The leaders start a war to get the peoples minds off of it (Argentina/Iraq)

Yeah, but read the Independent article. Much of their refined oil comes from the UAE. If they going starting wars with Sunnis, that situation will rapidly change.

Allahpundit on March 10, 2007 at 9:48 PM

I hope someone used the phrase “You Persian Shoe”!

csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 9:53 PM

Exit question: Is Ahmadinejad the Persian Jimmy Carter?

By most accounts, AJ is charming, smooth, and appealing to young people.
So, no.

billy on March 10, 2007 at 10:47 PM

Is Ahmadinejad the Persian Jimmy Carter?

Jimmy says yes.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/05/audio-jimmy-carter-says-yes/

Hotair ranks #2 for “jimmy says yes” congrats! LOL

lorien1973 on March 10, 2007 at 10:47 PM

Here’s an idea. Instead of showing a picture of Ahman – whatever his name is – for the ninety millionth time, just display a map of the Mid East instead.

moc23 on March 10, 2007 at 10:52 PM

Yeah, but read the Independent article. Much of their refined oil comes from the UAE. If they going starting wars with Sunnis, that situation will rapidly change.

Allahpundit on March 10, 2007 at 9:48 PM

Except the word is out that Iran has numerous shia cells sitting in SA waiting for orders. Not good.

Connie on March 10, 2007 at 10:52 PM

If they going starting wars with Sunnis, that situation will rapidly change.

If Iran sees war as a solution, maybe Israel would be the best choice because Sunni Arabs would possible join with them to defeat the common enemy.

I think the most likely outcome will be that the citizens will continue to vote in more moderate candidates that will work with the west instead of provoking us. Haven’t we seen reports that 75% of the Iranian people are very pro-western and are fairly secular?

csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 11:04 PM

Haven’t we seen reports that 75% of the Iranian people are very pro-western and are fairly secular?

csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 11:04 PM

Yes, we have. We’ve also heard from Khameni (the real leader of Iran) that it doesn’t matter if Iran burns, as long as the rest of the world accepts Islam.

billy on March 10, 2007 at 11:09 PM

Dinnerjacket isn’t in control, never was, never will be. If he stays or goes won’t matter. As long as the ‘Supreme Leader’… (gawd that is straight out of some comic book)….holds the real power Iran will be unpredictable. You never know what Allah is going to tell em to do next.

Limerick on March 10, 2007 at 11:20 PM

…motorists will be given coupons entitling them to 100 litres of petrol a month at the increased price of 1,000 rial (about 5p) per litre. Additional petrol will have to be bought at open market prices of between 14p and 22p per litre.

The plan was due to be introduced on March 21 but has been delayed for three months to allow time for the distribution of ration cards. Some drivers have been issued with the cards but at least half are still waiting to receive them. Work to fit the nation’s petrol pumps with card readers is not yet complete.

You know, I was just thinking…

Iran is allegedly one of the largest counterfitters of US currency, how hard would it be to get our hands on a few ration cards and start mass producing them?

I’m sure, even if they were electronic “smart” cards, like an atm card, it’d be pretty easy to do. I say we flood, and I mean FLOOD their market with counterfit ration cards. Hundreds of thousands, maybe even a few million of them.

Think of the fun we could have. hahahaha

In fact, to take it a bit further…

We could make ration cards that work and make them available on the black market. I’m sure the CIA has some great contacts in that regard. *GRIN*

And then, make hundreds of thousands of cards that don’t work and somehow slip the bad ones in amongst the Iranian government stock. That way the Iranian government would be passing out the bad cards to their own people. Trust me, it’d sow a lot of distrust amongst the “everyday” man.

Man, we could really have a lot of fun for just a few hundred thousand dollars.

MUAWHAHAHAHAHA *evil laugh*

V5

V5 on March 10, 2007 at 11:23 PM

V5…

My daughter suggested that we air drop XBox and Wi all over the country. That’ll take care of the youth.

Limerick on March 10, 2007 at 11:25 PM

I was expecting a confontation when I heard there were going to be talks.

The Iranians MUST be confronted at every opportunity, until they stop giving weapons to the terrorists, or until we bomb th cr*p out of them.

georgej on March 10, 2007 at 11:30 PM

Limerick,

You have a very smart daughter. Maybe you should make sure she enrolls in Poli-Science in college. We could use more critical thinkers.

V5

V5 on March 10, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Take the U.S and Britain out of this quote…. seems to me like the “trouble makers” of todays world…… so I can get a job in intelligence?

The participants at the talks included all of Iraq’s neighbors Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait as well as Russia, France, China, Bahrain, Egypt, the U.N., the Organization of the Islamic Conference and the Arab League.

“U.S. and Britain taken out for effect.”

We all know that Allah says it is OK to lie to an unbeliever, so if they say you are lying, are you lie, aren’t you telling the truth… (yes, Norman… Compute!)

But what about this………

“They’re lying because it is just not true,” Amiri Felipe Calderón told the AP. “Iraq’s the United States borders with Iran Mexico are the most secure of Iraqi the United States borders. The Iraqi United States government has not even once said Iran Mexico, the Republic of, is interfering in its affairs.”

Better?


Mr Ahmadinejad

I love it, no longer “President Mymood Iminajihad!”, just like our press with President George W. Bush………

PinkyBigglesworth on March 11, 2007 at 12:10 AM

“Mr Ahmadinejad had publicly argued against the abolition of subsidies and advocated persuading consumers to switch to other fuel sources such as natural gas, which do not rely on foreign imports.”

Iran had a really bad cold snap earlier this winter that resulted in Iran cutting off gas exports in order to supply domestic needs. Encouraging more domestic natural gas consumption will come at the cost of reduced exports further impacting revenues.

Also, a major deal to supply India with gas via a pipeline across Pakistan may now be a moot issue because India has apparently discovered a major domestic gas field.

The current economic prospects for Iran are bleak. It’s like the old expression … “It’s always darkest just before it goes completely black”. Iran’s economy has only a year or two left, in my opinion. Capital is fleeing, the smart people are fleeing, and most interestingly, the women are fleeing or turning to prostitution in order to make ends meet.

Maybe it has to do with a cultural thing but I believe Iran is purposely attempting to destabilize the region simply to jack up the price of oil. It is designed to push the emotional buttons of oil speculators, though Saudi Arabia has said they have enough excess oil production capacity to replace Iran’s oil exports on world markets if need be.

crosspatch on March 11, 2007 at 12:28 AM

as the government has resorted to using the Oil Reserve Fund as its piggy bank

This phrase in a Western publication alone could ignite the war.

Coyote D. on March 11, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Bomb the Iranian gasoline and diesel refineries now. The regime will collapse in days.

rokemronnie on March 11, 2007 at 12:45 AM

Capital is fleeing, the smart people are fleeing, and most interestingly, the women are fleeing or turning to prostitution in order to make ends meet..

crosspatch on March 11, 2007 at 12:28 AM

Sounds like Cuba….. viva castro, viva hugo chaveZ!

Too bad a single carrier group exceeds you entire military……. “Oh, you forgot about that?”

You know, there could be another possibility…….. the Western Press has built, yet another, “Straw Man”, to be an antagonist against President Bush……. and just like Sadaam…. we will find him in a hole…….. and again, President Bush will be blammed.

With all the bravado, the only one I really have my eye on is Putin.

Once KGB, always KGB.

Too bad the American Media isn’t reporting on all of the deaths of reporters in Russia these days…. “Hate Bush!”.

Anyone else seen the amount of arms being sold to Syria and Iran by Russia, the Republic of…..?

The U.S. and Coalition forces have found Russian ordinance, serial numbers, with asset tags from Iran, that have killed and wounded U.S. and Coalition forces, and our media……. keeps this from common knowledge.

This is just not “bias”, this is “Treason”………

PinkyBigglesworth on March 11, 2007 at 12:51 AM

Highly hypothesized and…

From the ‘Tehran Daily Idolater’

Despite a 20 per cent increase in the national budget last year, Mr Bush had to go back to America’s Congress, the Flagulators, six? times to ask for more money. Government expenditure is extremely high and rising – a pledge to reduce budgetary dependence on Fed supplements by 10 per cent each year has been thrown aside as the government has resorted to using the Federal Reserve Fund as its piggy bank. Commentators speculate that America has inadequate foreign currency reserves to negotiate the demands of the coming year.

In fact, the extent of government borrowing from Federal and foreign banks is jeopardising the solidity of the US banking system.

Sorry, couldn’t resist.
More fun than normal people should be allowed to have, but then who around here is normal?

Speakup on March 11, 2007 at 12:53 AM

Limerick says:

My daughter suggested that we air drop XBox and Wi all over the country. That’ll take care of the youth.

HAHA..man if that isn’t too true. We do need to think outside the box on this one. Infiltration by video games!

My father always said…keep the young busy and they won’t get into trouble /snicker

Highrise on March 11, 2007 at 1:02 AM

Fomenting rallies at which everyone shrieks “jihad” five times a minute is ceasing to work? Wow! Who’d’a’thunk “It’s the ecnomony, stupid,” would mean anything beyond the Great Satan?

laelaps on March 11, 2007 at 1:09 AM

economy. Shish!

laelaps on March 11, 2007 at 1:10 AM

From the Independant:

Iran is the second largest producer of oil in the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries but it imports 40 per cent of its petrol – worth about $3 billion a year – after its refining capacity was wrecked in the war with Iraq.

That war ended 19 years ago, and instead of building the refinery capacity they need, they’ve been building a “peaceful nuclear energy” capacity they don’t?

Riiiiight.

Pablo on March 11, 2007 at 1:48 AM

The official target for inflation is 9.9 per cent but the current rate is thought to be at least 20 per cent, and rising. In certain foods it is closer to 40 per cent and some fresh vegetables are disappearing in Tehran.

This seems like proof that sanctions don’t hurt governments, they hurt people. An authoritarian government is not hurt by sanctions, since they don’t care about the people, especially when they can use the controlled media to blame America, or the Jews.

Bombs, on the other hand, do hurt governments.

Kevin M on March 11, 2007 at 2:34 AM

KM you’re right that sanctions do indeed hurt people and not governments so much but the point is to get the people to hurt their own government… sorta like the Democrats.

Buzzy on March 11, 2007 at 3:59 AM

Exit question, no doubt, this guy would make Mr. Peanut’s policies look sound!

V5 – I think our counterfeiting efforts over there are in full swing and are a major part of their inflation problem. And I believe that one of the reasons we have altered the look of our large bills was to counter North Korea and Iran’s printing of funny money.

Zorro on March 11, 2007 at 6:30 AM

Negotiating with the criminally insane.

- The Cat

MirCat on March 11, 2007 at 7:30 AM

Torch the fields, says I.

fusionaddict on March 11, 2007 at 8:35 AM

OT but what the heck:

This MOH winner says it all.
http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=166

Limerick on March 11, 2007 at 8:55 AM

Scatterfield should’ve shown him a photo of the Iranian I.E.D.s and said “Do you or do you not provide I.E.D.s to Iraqi militia? Don’t wait for the translation.”

V5, you’re an evil genius! And so is Limerick’s daughter!

Standing ovation for Limerick, for raising this kind of young woman, and also a son who is defending our right to post our comments on the Net and all the other freedoms we take for granted.

Tony737 on March 11, 2007 at 10:21 AM

Iran had a really bad cold snap earlier this winter that resulted in Iran cutting off gas exports in order to supply domestic needs
crosspatch on March 11, 2007 at 12:28 AM

More of that damned Global Warming!

My daughter suggested that we air drop XBox and Wi all over the country. That’ll take care of the youth.
Limerick on March 10, 2007 at 11:25 PM

That sounds like a good idea, if we add DVD and MP3 players too. I’m sure that Gore would love to send copies of his duckumentary to Iran. (See above)

Also, just imagine the Iranian government’s response if we blanket Iran with free copies of Stars and Strips! They would have a full-out melt down. That would be fun to watch.

RedinBlueCounty on March 11, 2007 at 11:24 AM