Audio: Nutroots blogger unloads on Kos for being a centrist sell-out
posted at 3:15 pm on March 10, 2007 by Allahpundit
Delightful yet predictable, as it always is when movements based on ideological purity and “authenticity” start to eat their own. Calling Kos a centrist is as stupid as the Kossacks calling the media right-wing, but her point about his opportunism isn’t far off the mark. Kos was only too happy last summer to have some attention paid to him by moderate Dem Mark Warner (“this is a heck of a first date!”) and the Blunder Twins were surprisingly willing to tone down the Christian-hate when John Edwards came calling. Like I said at the time, “The first priority for the fightin’ nutroots, even above ending the war, is cultivating their own power. And if they have to make ideological compromises to do that, hey.” That’s O’Connor’s real complaint here, I think, not Screw Them’s alleged centrism.
Takeaway line: “He doesn’t want to change the world, he wants to change his address.” Note what she says too about his longstanding antipathy to her. I wonder what started that.
Update: Commenting on the Democrats’ pullout from the Nevada debate, the Las Vegas Review-Journal begs to differ with Maryscott’s assessment of Kos’s centrism.
Hard-core liberals can’t stand the Fox News Channel. Passing a television that’s tuned to the conservative favorite forces many of them to close their eyes, cover their ears and scream, “La la la la la la la la la!” Then they dash to their computers and fire off 2,500 e-mails condemning the outlet, none of which are ever read…
This hyperventilation results from the fact that far-left Democrats have no comparable media outlet, nor any widespread national appeal, for their radical views in favor of heavy-handed regulation, wealth redistribution, diplomatic capitulation and economic protectionism. So they attack their rivals’ messenger with a reckless barrage of rhetoric that cuts down their own allies with friendly fire.
By Friday, the Nevada Democratic Party caved in to the lunatic fringe and beganseeking a more “appropriate” television partner.
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The cannibal frenzy continues! Bwah hahaha!
Tony737 on March 10, 2007 at 3:25 PM
Rats, file won’t open…
Zorro on March 10, 2007 at 3:48 PM
OMG, arguing about their levels of leftiness, too damned funny.
“You suck because you are not as much of a frothing moonbat as I am ! “
bbz123 on March 10, 2007 at 3:50 PM
Here’s a link that will work for everyone:
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E20070310114235/index.html
-phil
phile on March 10, 2007 at 3:58 PM
Im sorry but arguing which left has better credentuals is like two insane assylum inmates arguing who has more straps on their straight jackets.
William Amos on March 10, 2007 at 4:17 PM
It’s like a race to the bottom. It’s not a question of who is farther left. It’s a question of who suffers the greatest self-loathing and guilt for being American. Isn’t that what the far-left movement here has always been about?
The extreme liberal strata of society has never been anything more than the demographic equivalent of angst-driven teenagers angry at their parents. Fortunately, most of us outgrow those impulses eventually.
SailorDave on March 10, 2007 at 4:37 PM
If you need a visual for MaryScott O’Connor, here’s a nice one to look at while you listen to this.
see-dubya on March 10, 2007 at 4:37 PM
I thought this was her.
SailorDave on March 10, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Actually I have noticed that the MSM is migrating to the right from their earlier position slightly to the left of Che Guevarra. The left’s nutroots are being left out in the cold more than just a little these days.
Buzzy on March 10, 2007 at 4:55 PM
Thanks Phil
Zorro on March 10, 2007 at 5:00 PM
I believe that photo was used by the Kidz as evidence of the Washington Post’s right-wing bias.
Jim Treacher on March 10, 2007 at 5:11 PM
She maybe moonbat-sh*t crazy but that was a pretty mean picture to run.
A little more flattering.
billy on March 10, 2007 at 5:22 PM
DIE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, DIE! DIE! DIE!
georgej on March 10, 2007 at 6:20 PM
Hey, be fair, we’re talking about the nutroots, not the Dem party. The Democrat party has its place…who knows, someday it might be advantageous to bring back slavery, and who better to act as its champion? And keeping socialism on life support, who else will do that? What if the Jews really get out of line again? From whence will a new Hitler arise, huh?
Ya gotta think these things through!
stonemeister on March 10, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Lets see, MaryScott is a leftie, Kos is a centrist, and the msm is somewhere close to moderate.
People are seriously misguided if they think the moonbats are just crazy to think that way, and that is the extent of it.
The MSM presents it that way and regular run of the mill working class america who doesn’t have time to stay up on this stuff believes it too. That is why elections have been so close lately. The PERCEPTION of the moderate center has shifted to the left and regular folks have been scared by the PC police into following the pack instead of their values.
Every day this kind of stuff is reported over and over again. And everyday we pile on and complain how crazy the moonbats are. Where is it getting us? Nowhere, that’s where. We need a drastic shift to the right in order to put center in the realm of sanity.
We have the “lead by example” crowd who have yet to lay out for the group how their perfect example of restraint is going to win people over. It has not worked up to this point and I’m wondering why.
So, you want to explain why, or are we just going to perpetually point out the looniness of the moonbats?
csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 7:00 PM
The relative positioning of the various entities (MaryScott on the left, Kos slightly left, MSM central, Fox right) is based on the specious logic that the left depends on. “Well, the truth lies somewhere in between”.
Everytime I hear this, I know I’m in trouble. Once while in college, some girl from my dorm, whom I never even met, decided to recover some ill-spent money by accusing someone of steeling from her room. She gave the RA a description, and it somewhat matched me. So I stood accused, even though I was absolutely innocent.
The college “tried” me. I said I was absolutely innocent. She said I did it. then, “Well, the truth lies somewhere in between” was dropped, so I was punished. And the college lefties slept well. My record was forever tarnished, it even came up later on in a security clearance check.
Thing is, even the lefties’ vocabulary changes to suit their ends. “Truth” is by consensus, not based on actual events. Bush lied. No WMDs. No Yellocake from Niger. Libby covered for Cheney. It’s all true, just ask anybody! After all, “Well, the truth lies somewhere in between”.
stonemeister on March 10, 2007 at 7:10 PM
Despite opinions to the contrary, I thought civility, strength and character got you Ronald Reagan, Congress from 94 till 06 and a President who ran with the slogan that character counts. I agree the Lefties can be hateful and shrill. With all due respect, is that what you want to be?
Going on the offensive is one thing, being as superficial and base as the Kossacks is something else entirely.
SouthernDem on March 10, 2007 at 7:12 PM
Funniest fact about this interview? It was on Fox radio.
Bryan on March 10, 2007 at 7:52 PM
The Instapunk link gives her bio. She claims she was a gifted actress. I’ll give her the actress part. It explains a lot, especially the “ME ME ME!”
I’m not crazy about the claim that attitude and being negative can lead to illness. But in her case, it may have some merit.
JimC on March 10, 2007 at 8:51 PM
True, but that isn’t what I envision. I disagree with what stonemeister said about moderate conservatives being on the right. Moderate conservatives are the far, far right when they are compared to the MSM as center.
My vision is that Ann be allowed to serve the role of inhabiting the extreme right of the conservatives. That broadens the scope between the left extreme and the right extreme which, by perception, moves moderate conservatism towards the center. While Ann holds the extreme right, the moderates do not adopt her tactics, even though we agree with the message if not the word usage.
Do you see any real flaws in that theory? If so, I would like to explore them with someone who doesn’t have an ideological axe to grind. Many semi-pseudo-conservatives here just will not engage the concept. They keep pushing the lead by example theory, but offer no thorough explanation as to how it works.
csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 9:00 PM
csdeven, just to clarify, I wasn’t saying moderate conservatives are on the right, I was saying that’s the perception the leftists are trying to get across. And it’s not fair to make relative comaprisons. There is a center, a left, a right, etc.
Almost by definition, conservatism is centrist. It’s saying that our time-tested, foundational principles are valid and worthy. The left says they’re not progressive enough, to degrees varying proportionally to their leftism, and the right says they they need to be shored up to allow less deviation from the norm (or variations to that idea).
Saying conservatism is right wing extremism is just another example of the left redefining words on the fly (depending on what your definition of “is” is).
stonemeister on March 10, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Ok, then we agree on that. Even though the facts are that conservatism is the center, I believe the liberals have succeeded in convincing america that conservatism is going out of style and is akin to fascism. Perception is what people are acting on and with the PC police demonizing conservatives, and the MSM presenting themselves as the center, we are, and will continue to lose ground until true conservatives are the extreme right because the semi-pseudo-conservatives are caving to PC on a daily basis.
What is perception now is rapidly becoming fact and I do not see how shoring up those conservative princilpes does anything except make us feel better. I do not see much evidence of it changing the perception of where conservative ideals fit on the spectrum.
csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 9:43 PM
Good observation Buzzy. Funny what happens when 2/3 of your customers are not liberal and they stop buying your newspapers and stop watching your news shows.
Lawrence on March 10, 2007 at 10:01 PM
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t get that impression at all. If anything, I think the MSM has become more nakedly partisan in the last couple of years.
billy on March 10, 2007 at 10:15 PM
Priceless!
Connie on March 10, 2007 at 10:25 PM
Cannablism ?
How is this different than the Hot Air crew jumping all over Ann Coulter ?
moc23 on March 10, 2007 at 10:44 PM
Even if they are (with which I totally disagree), how far do you think they will go to the right? Will they get to where they report fairly, or will they go just far enough to get some readership/viwership back?
csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 11:02 PM
stonemeister, the Democratic party is OWNED by the hardcore left. Kos is hardcore left. What delicious irony it is that they are eating themselves like two female girbils in heat!
To Hell with all of them.
I want the Democratic party of my youth; the party of JFK and Scoop Jackson and principled lberal patriots like Hubert Humphrey. I want the party of Harry Truman, NOT traitors like Kos and Al Qaeda supporters like Moveon. You do remember how Moveon *DEMANDED* that we not strike the Taliban or Osama?
America needs two LOYAL parties, not one and a second party that HATES America.
So, I want the modern Democratic to cease to exist; for the DNC HQ to be razed and the lot turned into a hot dog stand; the bank accounts given to chairity; and the leadership, including Kos and Moveon in prison for treason.
I feel betrayed – as an Amrican, first, and as a former Democrat from the mid 60′s, second – at ho despicable they have become.
For God’s sake, these people nominated a man who (1) conspired with the NVA in 1971, while we ere fighting them, (2) voted on a plan to assasinate 6 US Senators, and (3) slandered EVERY Viet Nam vet, as their candidate for President.
Any party who nominares such does not deserve to exist!
georgej on March 10, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Believe me (or do your own research), the Demo party may be owned by left wing extremists, but they are by far in the minority. They are very influential, though. Unlike most venues of vast power, the only thing you need to succeed on the left is either money or fame. All you have to do to earn “creds” is to say anything hateful about Bush, and, BINGO!, you’re a leftist leader, no matter how idiotic your statement.
That isn’t to say that leftists aren’t dangerous…they always are, mainly because they historically are so ruthless. Socialists, communists, fascists, and other forms of leftists are responsible for over 60 million murders/deaths/genocidal operations in the 20th century. And they see the advantage of using islamists as their henchment for their next wave.
If you thought the Stalinist purges or the Holocaust were the ultimate in human barbarity, you ain’t seen nothing yet! G-d, I hope I’m wrong, but I’m terrified that I’m not.
stonemeister on March 10, 2007 at 11:21 PM
You’re not alone in that sentiment. I’m waiting for the next incident to see which of them learned their lesson and change their position by refusing carrying the liberals PC water.
csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 11:42 PM
I’m not sure I’m getting where you’re coming from here. In my senario, it doesn’t matter what the particulars are, what matters is the perception of what the moderate center is by regular americans. The liberals acheve this by demonizing moderate conservative ideals using PC tactics. In order to become “enlightened” reasonable folks, they act on left leaning issues and disavow their natural tendancies towards moderate conservatism.
csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Let’s not forget that these are people who think the DLC is part of the vast right wing conspiracy.
Remember this?
Pablo on March 11, 2007 at 12:54 AM
Hmmm…apparently See-Dubya remembers…
That photo is an instant classic.
Pablo on March 11, 2007 at 12:57 AM
Is this the “Train Wreck” that Cafferty was saying was fun to watch?
- The Cat
MirCat on March 11, 2007 at 7:05 AM
?!?!?!
Anyone heard of CNN? The CBS Evening News with Katie? MSNBC?
Valiant on March 11, 2007 at 8:21 AM
Correction, it is the democrat party. Actually I prefer the “democrat politburo.” It is a more accurate description.
Not that different at all…..is it AP? Is it? I have changed my mind about KP, you can have her AP. I’m not the masochist you seem to be.
TwinkietheKid on March 11, 2007 at 9:38 AM
KOS is to centralism as air is to vacuum.
RedinBlueCounty on March 11, 2007 at 9:25 PM
ha of course she is leaching off the state for med coverage, has some phony “disability” and blames her husbands inability to hold a job on the Bush economy. Better still…she blames the fact that she did not become a successful actress on her not wanting to sleep with producers instead of the obvious reality that she is a burnt out, butt smoking, ugly old hag, typical lib.
Alden Pyle on March 12, 2007 at 6:15 AM