Fox News in talks with Congressional Black Caucus to co-sponsor debates; Update: Dems cave to Kossacks, pull out of Nevada debate

posted at 3:02 pm on March 9, 2007 by Allahpundit

They’re going to answer the nutroots’ moral objections to the event by inoculating their coverage with the strongest possible dose of absolute moral authority. Simply brilliant. Lefty Garance Franke-Ruta explains the stakes succinctly:

First, while MoveOn and the netroots can go after the Nevada Democratic Party without alienating anyone except Nevada Democrats (one of whom, it should be noted, is the Senate Majority Leader), it is going to be much harder for the largely white netroots to go after the CBC Institute for its debate partner without setting up a very unpleasant intra-party clash between constituency groups, thereby bringing smiles of delight to Fox News and its viewers.

Second, no further candidates will drop out of the Nevada debate for the time being, at the risk of alienating the CBC Institute and losing access to its debates, and to audiences of black voters who will be electoral heavy-weights in the primaries.

And, third — and again, this is if the CBC Institute picks Fox — either Edwards has now shut himself out of the CBC Institute debates, one of which will likely target a Southern audience he needs, or he will have to reverse course on his decision to avoid Fox News debates this cycle.

Via Media Bistro, an anxious Kos gingerly plays the race card and clings to hope that it’s just a ploy the CBC is using to gain leverage with a real network like CNN. I almost don’t have the heart to tell him.

Johnny Dollar has audio of Chris Wallace describing John Edwards’s deep, principled, personal objections to appearing on Fox News. Meanwhile, Hotline searches desperately for veiled threats in Roger Ailes’s comments last night about Edwards skipping the FNC debate and comes up with this:

Any candidate for high office of either party who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake about journalists.

Says Hotline, “[T]he threat here is that Fox News will somehow treat Edwards differently if he refuses to appear at their debate.” No, the “threat” here is that Fox News won’t treat Edwards differently if he refuses to appear. He’s the one trying to black them out, not vice versa. Ailes’s point is that they’re going to keep covering him regardless. One can imagine these same words coming out of Helen Thomas’s mouth vis-a-vis Bush refusing to call on her for three years, except then they’d be hailed as a stirring statement of journalistic principle from the dean of the White House press corps. As it is, Olby will probably wring a few more fat jokes out of it.

Exit question: “If you are afraid of journalists, how will you face the real dangers in the world?”

Update: Bill Richardson was the one major Democratic candidate who’d committed to the Nevada debate — and now, suddenly, he’s out. Everyone’s eating out of Kos’s dog bowl.

Update: KP always gives me static about equating the nutroots with the Democratic Party at large. Let’s see what she says now.

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Update: HuffPo says they can confirm that the Dems have pulled out. I’m sure they can. They probably ordered them to do it.

Update: Here’s video of another left-wing Fox-”hater” in the Edwards mold. The video is from November; he’ll be singing a different tune soon.


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I almost don’t have the heart to tell him.

That’s rich.

Esthier on March 9, 2007 at 3:09 PM

Isn’t it odd that the nutroots so despises Fox, yet they are intimately familiar with everything that Fox does. These people are fairly unbalanced.

JammieWearingFool on March 9, 2007 at 3:32 PM

That Edwards is such a… never mind.

JayHaw Phrenzie on March 9, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Maybe “The Hammer” will smack some sense into Cafferty. Figuratively speaking, of course.

KelliD on March 9, 2007 at 3:47 PM

Johnny Dollar has audio of Chris Wallace describing John Edwards’s deep, principled, personal objections to appearing on Fox News.

Principled my ass. It’s called fear. God forbid that a Democratic candidate might actually get ask a question that requires them to take a position or maybe the opinion of the “journalist” might be reflected in their questions.

Liberals, can’t live with em, can’t shoot em.

Take care all

Bogeyfre on March 9, 2007 at 3:57 PM

So will Kos promise to make the CBC Institute “radioactive” like he did the DLC?

rw on March 9, 2007 at 4:21 PM

John Edwards’s deep, principled, personal objections to appearing on Fox News.

Heh, best laugh all day.

Liberals, can’t live with em, can’t shoot em and, you can’t live with ‘em.

Bogeyfre on March 9, 2007 at 3:57 PM

Kind of like…women :)

Entelechy on March 9, 2007 at 4:23 PM

To quote McDonald’s “I’m Lovin’ it.”

- The Cat

MirCat on March 9, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!

Mallard T. Drake on March 9, 2007 at 4:40 PM

Poor Pony. He’s screwed.

Is this the same CBC we all vilified a couple of weeks ago for their “racist” membership policies?

BacaDog on March 9, 2007 at 4:48 PM

I came from a world where the people believed that the opposite of war was peace. We found out the hard way that the opposite of war is more often slavery, and that strength, strength alone, can support freedom

– Apollo Original BG

Excellent quote at top of MirCat’s web page.

You might consider noting it’s “BSG” it took me a minute to figure out and I’m a fan of BSG.

Take care all.

Bogeyfre on March 9, 2007 at 4:50 PM

Ooops to many quotes tags. Second paragraph is not a quote.

Bogeyfre on March 9, 2007 at 4:51 PM

Looks like my little pony’s going to get a hard ride.

Rode Werk on March 9, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Didn’t Fox already do this is 2004? I seem to remember that they co-sponsored at least one Dem primary debate with the Congressional Black Caucus, although I could be misremembering, I do smoke a lot of weed.

Enrique on March 9, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Too late, Drudge is reporting (via ThePolitico) that the Democrats have completely collapsed and refuse to hold debates because they don’t like the MSM… (er… Fox News)

Skywise on March 9, 2007 at 5:24 PM

Does this mean The Pony has left the building?

bloggless on March 9, 2007 at 5:56 PM

Bogeyfre on March 9, 2007 at 4:50 PM

Fixed. And one of these days I might start posting on my own site :)

- The Cat

MirCat on March 9, 2007 at 5:58 PM

This is anecdotal evidence that the liberals NEED the media to take office.

We should fight back, but we don’t want to miss another golden opportunity to lead by example!

csdeven on March 9, 2007 at 6:09 PM

For those libs that cruise through HA, they have always been quick to say that my anger at the extreme leftists has no bearing on the “regular” dems. Hello, is anyone home? The dems are in bed, they owe their political life to the nutroots, the extreme part of their party. This makes it very difficult for loyalists like SoutherDem to stand by there party.

Discuss: Who is running the DNC now, Pelosi, or the MoveOn crowd?

right2bright on March 9, 2007 at 6:21 PM

So, the Dems don’t want to appeal to an audience that thinks differently?
Have they no confidence in their positions and arguments?
What could they possibly gain by pulling out and resort to reducing this debate
to an illogical, non-issue?
What is the big deal??

(Can someone please make a joke about Dems propensity for ‘pulling out’)

Tru2my2 on March 9, 2007 at 6:21 PM

I think there may be a connection between what happened in Connecticut and this move with regard to the debates. The radical folk in the Democrat party controlled the nomination for the Democrat party and booted incumbent Joe Lieberman, even though he had state-wide majority support. The candidates can’t be incognizant of what happened there, less than a year ago. I think this election cycle will be very interesting for this reason. Can the Democrat nominee transform him/herself from positions/statements/acts that appeal to Cindy Sheehan (and President Chavez) to a person with positions/statements/acts that have wide, national appeal in the short months between the Democrat convention and the first Tuesday in November? I think it will be difficult. I think winning congressional majorities in 2006 may have ruined the Democrat party due to the undue influence, within the Democrat party, such a win gave to the groups who successfully ousted the leftist Lieberman for being to much like a Republican.

Jens on March 9, 2007 at 6:24 PM

too much, not to much. I need to read my comment closer before posting. Sorry.

Jens on March 9, 2007 at 6:26 PM

Discuss: Who is running the DNC now, Pelosi, or the MoveOn crowd?

right2bright on March 9, 2007 at 6:21 PM

Unfortunately with this turn of events, it looks like a very short disscussion.

billy on March 9, 2007 at 6:32 PM

KP always gives me static about equating the nutroots with the Democratic Party at large. Let’s see what she says now.

That’s one bigass nyah-nyah-nyah she’s got comin!

“If you are afraid of journalists, how will you face the real dangers in the world?”

Can or will the Repubs use this tack against the Dems, or will they just give it a pass?

eeyore on March 9, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Gotta luv those nutroots and their undying support for our basic freedoms … you know, like freedom of the press, speech. Oh … wait, freedom for them, not for you or me or Fox.

The mantra of the leftist … silence all those who are not like us.

darwin on March 9, 2007 at 6:39 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, we are watching the democratic party imfuckingplode!

james hooker on March 9, 2007 at 6:40 PM

David Rhodes, Vice President, Fox, just gave a great statement. Threw down the challenge…is the DNC controlled by “radical fringe out-of-state interest groups” like MoveOn or not?

No wonder the Dems want to pull out of a war, they can’t even stand up to a real debate.

right2bright on March 9, 2007 at 6:44 PM

Discuss: Who is running the DNC now, Pelosi, or the MoveOn crowd?

MoveOn announced that it owned the Dem party back in 2004.

rw on March 9, 2007 at 6:49 PM

Is it that the donkey boys and girls are afraid that they might get asked something other than the patty-cake questions they’d expect on a “friendly” network?

Or is it that they don’t want to get “cooties” or “germs” by appearing on FOX?

Or both?

Either way, it says a lot – and very little – about the caliber of the donk candidates that they’d cave to the nutroots in this instance. The more you observe their leadership, the harder it is to conclude anything other than that the inmates are indeed running the asylum.

Spurius Ligustinus on March 9, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Maybe the Democratic party will decide the only acceptable media platform is Air America. Then we will never hear from them again!

Resolute on March 9, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Everyone’s eating out of Kos’s dog bowl.

No, that’s not what they’re eating out of. It’s a part of his anatomy.

Misha I on March 9, 2007 at 7:03 PM

The more that I think about it, someone should send around one of those “no new taxes” type pledge letters to the Dem candidates, except they will instead be pledging –

1. To remove FNC from the WH press corps if elected.
2. To never appear again on any FNC programs.
3. To refuse to allow anyone to campaign on their behalf that appears on FNC programs.
4. To refuse to purchase any campaign advertising time on FNC and to denounce any left leaning groups that purchase ad time on FNC.

rw on March 9, 2007 at 7:07 PM

Pull out of Vietman
Pull out of Iraq
Pull out of Debate
The cut and run mantra of the party of cut and run – DNC

ricor on March 9, 2007 at 7:35 PM

I got 2 word for Dems who want to get in bed with Kos…Ned Lamont.

mlong on March 9, 2007 at 7:38 PM

Who is running the DNC now, Pelosi, or the MoveOn crowd?

UPDATE: George Soros just announced that he’s running the DNC.

Film at eleven.

pocomoco on March 9, 2007 at 7:46 PM

Who is running the DNC now, Pelosi, or the MoveOn crowd?

UPDATE: George Soros just announced that he’s running the DNC

Film at eleven.

pocomoco on March 9, 2007 at 7:48 PM

Who’s afraid of the Big Bad FOX!

Kini on March 9, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Well, at least the Democratic “leaders” are consistent–consistently spineless in the face of any and all threats. I pity the few sane, grownup, traditional Democrats that remain, I really do.

ReubenJCogburn on March 9, 2007 at 8:03 PM

Well this certainly puts the rest of the media in a bind. Will their own hatred of Fox News permit them to report the story so that they can gloat about sticking it the man? And if they report it are they going to give the reason and who put the pressure on the Dems to pull out? If Fox reports that it is the “far left”, which no longer exists, that exerted the pressure of course the Dems will just go into full denial mode. This of course allows Fox to report the fact that other news agencies a) aren’t reporting the story furthering damaging their image or b)or creating the impression that just like the main Democrat party the other news outlets are also in the pocket of the liberals.
It is time for the Repubs to play hardball. They should mention in every interview and press meeting they have even if it just as an off hand remark to drive home the point.
Hey Fox News Watch I’m watching!

LakeRuins on March 9, 2007 at 8:13 PM

P.S Looks like the Dems finally found somebody to surrender to!

LakeRuins on March 9, 2007 at 8:15 PM

I thought it would be at least 6 months after winning majority that the Dems would deliberately try to alienate the center and right of center. At least they are exceeeding my expectations on one front.

Yeah, we want to represent the country. But we really just want to represent those parts of the country with major oceans lapping at their over-priced real estate.

What tools!

But I guess I should thank them for irreversibly making me a Re-thug.

SailorDave on March 9, 2007 at 8:18 PM

What a bunch of light-loafered pansies.

They don’t want debate because they can’t EVER debate on the facts.

SouthernGent on March 9, 2007 at 8:25 PM

The current crop of Dems holding a debate would be comparable to a echo in the Alps. How do you debate when you are total agreement? They are in total agreement right? Nancy, Jack, . .
I do like the response on Drudges’ web site right now from Fox news.

LakeRuins on March 9, 2007 at 8:31 PM

Before it is gone from Drudge

“We have not received official word from the Nevada State Democratic Party disclosing a change in debate plans. Rumors are being circulated and if true, news organizations will want to think twice before getting involved in the Nevada Democratic Caucus which appears to be controlled by radical fringe out-of-state interest groups, not the Nevada Democratic Party. In the past, Moveon.org has said they ‘own’ the Democratic party—while most Democrats don’t agree with that, we’re waiting to see if that’s the case in Nevada.” — David Rhodes, Vice President, Fox News…

LakeRuins on March 9, 2007 at 8:32 PM

The leftist bloggers are a hoot. If the democrats don’t do what they want then what next? The leftists back Republicans or start a new party which would assure the Republicans victory and the new party irrelevant. The democrates should just ignore them for the most part and throw the dogs a bone every now and then.

Wade on March 9, 2007 at 9:12 PM

I got 2 word for Dems who want to get in bed with Kos…Ned Lamont.

mlong on March 9, 2007 at 7:38 PM

My thoughts exactly.
What else to say…well…um..Go Giuliani?

SouthernDem on March 9, 2007 at 9:25 PM

I agree that Fox has a tendency to lean to the Right, but it’s political suicide to not participate in a debate with the number one news network.
Oooo, Roger Ailes is a Republican? What a shocker! Can’t associate with his network now that this bombshell has dropped. Good thing Ted Turner’s not biased, huh?

SouthernDem on March 9, 2007 at 9:31 PM

Well I am certainly glad those champions of free speech on the left got their way. The Democrats are a good example of what happens when you let the kids make the rules. I hope they wind up having their debates on C Span with Helen Thomas for moderator. Then we will have to listn to that old song and dance routine about they couldn’t get their message out. Here they had a golden oppurtunity to get the attention of the conservative viewer to make their argument and instead they took their ball and went home.

LakeRuins on March 9, 2007 at 9:44 PM

P.S Looks like the Dems finally found somebody to surrender to!

LakeRuins on March 9, 2007 at 8:15 PM

Good One!

Wade on March 9, 2007 at 9:52 PM

Totally off topic. I am sick of looking at George Soros’s mug at the top of this page.

Connie on March 9, 2007 at 10:13 PM

But I am considering buying that USB cannon!

lorien1973 on March 9, 2007 at 10:14 PM

So the Republicans boycott CNN now…I don’t think so. They are not afraid of facing the public. Fox would have been judged by the public for their fairness.

Finally, the true colors of the modern Democratic party is being shown, a very left wing, socialist, group opposing free speech…can we use the word Fascist now?

right2bright on March 9, 2007 at 10:23 PM

Totally off topic. I am sick of looking at George Soros’s mug at the top of this page.

Connie on March 9, 2007 at 10:13 PM

George Soros?!?!?!?

I thought that was Helen Thomas!

PinkyBigglesworth on March 9, 2007 at 10:55 PM

Ideas. That is what is so freaking scary to these people.
It is their weapon not ours. How dare we.

Limerick on March 9, 2007 at 11:35 PM

So what’s wrong with Nevada? We residents were looking forward to the stupidity of a Dhemocrat debate.

Debate? Debate what? All they do is take polls. You can’t have a “position” if you don’t have some sort, any sort, of philisophical construct that guides you.

The founding fathers had the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to guide them. Edwards has hair spray and preening narcissism as his guide.

Mojave Mark on March 9, 2007 at 11:57 PM

Everyone’s eating out of Kos’s dog bowl.

Pavlovian!

Entelechy on March 10, 2007 at 12:24 AM

I know this is way off topic, but did anyone else hear Bob Beckel (or someone) call Michael Reagan a “bastard” tonight on H&C?

I dvr’d it and rewound it a few times and I swear I hear the word “bastard”. It comes right around 2:15 into the program. Colmes just says something about the the “temerity of a plan” and goes to Michael Reagan. Michael starts talking and you hear some papers shuffling and then comes the word. I wasn’t sure who said it until the end of the segment with Beckel and Reagan and Sean says something about “appeasing democrates” and Beckel says under his breath “appease this”. I’m sure it was Beckel who called Reagan a bastard.

Does anyone but me think this is a story in light of the Ann Coultry remark?

csdeven on March 10, 2007 at 12:27 AM

I’m still looking for the actual Ailes quote (what Roger Ailes said about Sen. Obama) that was so “bad.”

If I had to guess, off the top of my head, I’d say Ailes may have just quoted Ted Kennedy and his Press Club gaffe:

From:
Sen. Edward Kennedy’s (D-Mass.) speech at the National Press Club on the future of the Democratic party
Wednesday, January 12, 2005

excerpt:

MODERATOR: This person asks, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois was elected with over 80 percent of the vote, and over a million of those voters were also President Bush voters. What did Senator Obama do that Senator Kerry and other Democrats not do? And do you think the Democrats need to move toward the center to recapture the majority position? And finally, If a Democrat wins the next presidential election, what are the most difficult problems he or she will face in 2008?

KENNEDY: There you go. Why don’t we just ask Osama bin — Osama Obama — Obama what — since he won by such a big amount. Seriously, Senator Obama is really unique and special.

RBMN on March 10, 2007 at 12:53 AM

The kooks at DailyKOS are ecstatic over this.

A quote I stumbled across from their god, Noam Chomsky, [media control] “when supported by the educated classes and when no deviation is permitted from it, can have a big effect. It was a lesson learned by Hitler and many others, and it has been pursued to this day.”

History is repeating itself before our eyes.

LewWaters on March 10, 2007 at 3:18 AM

The Republicans have dealt with a hostile press ever since Vietnam, and an emboldened one after Watergate. The media in the past six years has thrown off any pretense to objectivity or being nonpartisan.

What’s the problem with Dems? We already know they don’t believe in Freedom of Religion. Don’t they believe in Freedom of the Press or Freedom of Speech, either? They’re dying to reinstate the “dullness fairness doctrine” to shut down talk radio. I’m feeling pretty good about 2008 right now.

flataffect on March 10, 2007 at 5:58 AM

The Democrats and the moonbat leftist cults that own their party are simply running true to form . . . cut, run, surrender, give up, and don’t show up for debates on FOX.

rplat on March 10, 2007 at 8:54 AM

That Kos comment thread is a classic, if you want to see some insane spinning load up on Dramamine and take a ride on that puppy.

B Moe on March 10, 2007 at 9:15 AM

The best part of this is that Edwards is beginning to be the nutroots favorite son.

The mark of death. When middle America gets a glimpse at his supporters…say good bye Mr. Edwards.

Maybe Edwards can get Ned to run with him, Ned had all of that support.

right2bright on March 10, 2007 at 10:11 AM

I would not be surprised if the other major networks step in and defend Fox. While the leftists don’t believe in free speech, the other networks do. To allow this tactic to stand would be a mistake. Watch how fast they will backpedal.

Fritz on March 10, 2007 at 10:30 AM

I am boycotting Katie Couric. Oh wait, that has already happened.

gary on March 10, 2007 at 12:21 PM

I tried to post on HuffPo – asking why would you want your candidates just to preach to the choir? And if Fox News viewers are so stupid, shouldn’t it be easy to convince them of your candidates’ ideas? If it’s the #1 cable news network, why deny your candidates the much needed exposure they need, particularly to the people who supposedly need it most? But I think I’ve been banned by HuffPo. The comment thing thanked me for my comment but it never posted, (I kept checking back – still nothing.) So I guess they’re all chickens when it comes to free speech. Not only do they ban me, (I’m assuming) when I’ve deliberately never gotten personal, but they’re so passive-agressive about it – so chicken-s$#@ about it. Ohhhhhhhhh the irony.

foxforce91 on March 10, 2007 at 2:42 PM

As I mention at The Autopsy, the reason the NSDP is ditching the debate is because they talked it over with Hillary and/or Obama. Since neither wants to upset the nutroots (money!) and they don’t want to upset swing votes by snubbing a debate on Fox (votes!), they swung the hammer at the NSDP and had them nix the debate to insulate Hillobama from damage.

Nethicus on March 10, 2007 at 2:45 PM

It would be interesting to know if there were other speakers at this ceremony and how badly the administration was ripped. Roger Ailes is my hero!

ctmom on March 10, 2007 at 3:31 PM

The “cut and run” crowd doing what they know best….redeploying.

Fox has the largest audience of all the news outlets. Rather than “getting their message out” to many, the dems gather up their marbles and leave in a huff. Their hatred for anything or anyone Conservative trumps common sense.

“Fairness Doctrine”. Shutting down any news organization that does not agree with them and their socialist agenda.

Finally, it was a Bush joke, not an Osama Obama joke.

doingwhatican on March 10, 2007 at 5:42 PM

But I think I’ve been banned by HuffPo HuffPoo…

Ohhhhhhhhh the irony.

foxforce91 on March 10, 2007 at 2:42 PM

foxforce91, you’re welcome. Regards,

Entelechy on March 10, 2007 at 6:24 PM

I call it the “PuffHo’. Ariana Huffington is a phony and not at all worthy of attention.

“The planes were going there anyway….” Or some such nonsense.

doingwhatican on March 10, 2007 at 6:59 PM

Fritz on March 10, 2007 at 10:30 AM

No way that will happen. The MSM is glad to see Fox taken down a notch. They are in it to make money and Fox is in their way. The MSM could care less about free speach…it ain’t free if they have advertisers.

right2bright on March 10, 2007 at 10:33 PM