As for Hawkeye: I have a feeling Clint will be turning up soon.

Matt Helm on March 8, 2007 at 11:27 AM

Thanks for the reassurance, Matt. I was beginning to get more paranoid than usual. Besides, it has been too long since I twanged MY bow and arrows.

I’m interested in the misogyny angle in “Identity Crisis” though. During the summer when I get the time I need to see if I can borrow the trade paperback/paperbacks–I’m loathe to shell out the money if it’s as bad as you say it is.

Some elements of Civil War though have been pretty good. Believe it or not, I could see Reed Richards and Tony Stark taking the course of action they’re taking–let’s face it, Tony likes power and as for Reed, he does have a tendency to get so involved in his ivory tower that he runs the risk of losing touch with his humanity–that almost cost him his marriage way back when. As for Spiderman, Peter’s paying a price for letting Tony maneuver him into giving up his secret identity–and if the spoilers I’ve heard are right, the price is going to get even steeper.

But yes, to get back on topic, if you read Millar or Ellis or any of the others from that particular school, be prepared for a lot of cynicism and anti-American–definitely anti-conservative–messages.

Once more, it seems that we have a publicity stunt upon our hands. And yes, it’s an insult to a famous character and his fans too. In a New York Daily News exclusive, we’re told that Steve Rogers, Captain America, is going to be killed:…

And by the way, I know that the Ultimate Capt. America may be characterized more right-wing than how the regular Cap is, probably the sole good thing about the Ultimates title, but it’s not some carbon copy I want being depicted as a rightie, it’s the *real* thing that I do. Besides, if memory serves, Millar, who’s written that book, regurgitated one of the most notorious stories in all of Marvel history, that being the time when Hank Pym smacked his ex-wife Janet VanDyne in The Avengers in 1981. Pure sensationalism.

While we’re on the subject, I’d like to note that, while it’s true that Marvel is submerging itself in leftism, don’t think that DC Comics is any better. They may not have gone off the brink as quickly as Marvel did in recent years when putting out anti-American crap (most notorious would probably be “The Truth: Red White and Black” miniseries), but what’s really disturbing about how DC went about cooking up Chomskyite propaganda is that they used a much more subtle, allegorical/metaphorical approach: in 2004, they put out a miniseries called Identity Crisis. Take a look at this entry I wrote on my comics blog almost two years ago. What was really disturbing about the article I took apart then was just how dishonest it all was. The real story behind the miniseries besides the one-sided misogyny that it was chock full of was that it was a metaphor for blaming America/the victims propaganda.

While I appreciate the concern you all have for what Marvel and Mark Millar are doing, I’m really surprised that I don’t seem to see more people talking about Identity Crisis. I realize that because in contrast to even Civil War, the political allegories may have less clear, some may have overlooked it on that account. But if you ask me, it’s still a serious subject, not just because of the leftist influence that it’s full of, but also because of the moonbat misogyny that even more evident throughout almost the entire miniseries. If any of the other comic experts here are familiar with “Identity Crisis” I’d be interested in knowing if you consider it a concerning matter. I do.

Loeb’s by no means a hack–he’s done excellent work with Heroes and has done good work elsewhere.

we will have to disagree. heroes is by no means excellent, its slightly better than avg, and the first dozen episodes were below that. loeb’s long Halloween was ok until the end, a mystery with a hack ending. other than man for all seasons, he has done nothing else that was worth reading.

i am such a fan boy.

The key is to *read* the interview.

The key is, why is Captain America sitting around talking to journalists when he should be throwing his shield into somebody’s face?

Millar comes from the same school of writing as Warren Ellis: there are no such things as real heroes; the US is the font of all evil and G. W. Bush is evil incarnate. All you have to do to see that is to read his run on Authority where he portrays an alternate Avengers group with the Cap figure being a serial rapist and where prior to that the Authority took over the world, delivering a humiliating beating to the President. Millar’s run in Ultimates is much the same. Someone of Cap’s mode is diametrically the opposite to everything Millar supports and believes in. Millar is very much a nihilist in outlook and you can see that in his books.

Brubaker’s run on Cap has actually been a very good run–he’s done a good job with Steve Rogers, making him a very sympathetic and three dimensional character that people from both Right and Left can identify with.

Loeb’s by no means a hack–he’s done excellent work with Heroes and has done good work elsewhere.

There are other good writers who are either relatively apolitical or lean towards the right: Frank Miller is an excellent example of a fairly conservative writer; Kurt Busiek is for the most part apolitical and had an excellent run with Avengers and portrays a good Cap and Hawkeye.

As for Hawkeye: I have a feeling Clint will be turning up soon.

It doesnt matter anyway because Hulk is comming back and will crush them all…..

JVelez on March 7, 2007 at 1:39 PM

Actually, JVelez I think you mean, “Hulk SMASH!!!”

Mt

Today, I’m mourning the death of Captain America. No, I’m not a comic book collector. I mourn the loss as a blow to Patriotic America
The death of Captain America comes as a part of Marvels “Civil War” series, in which super heroes are being fo…

I guesss its up to Michelle AND ourselves to save us.

Where is HAWKEYE when you need him?

(/total geekitude>

The “Hush” story is awesome.

Yeah…I wish more writers were like Loeb. Simply tell the story, throw in a few fun twists and entertain. I’m glad that “Heroes” has been so successful for him.

Slublog on March 7, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Dear God no. Loeb is a hack, an awful horrible hack and Hush is terrible. Brubaker btw is insanely talented and his quote isn’t that controversial. lefties and righties both have different ideas about Cap. He just pointed that out. Millar is a f*cktard tho.

…when he steamrollers over all these weaker states and enforces a global ideology on the human population.

Ideally, I guess, what we expect of ourselves as U.S. citizens would apply equally to the human population. So everyone would hate their own countries and idealize the others…all of us thus living in a perpetual state of self-hatred and nihilism.

Like the Kos Kidz.

They simply suck when compared to Japanese Manga (Naruto, Bleach, etc) or AMERICAN Manga (Fred Perry’s “Gold Digger” series for example.)

When Marvel hired him, I bought my last comic.

The Marvel Civil war is one of the most ill conceived things ever. When it first started, they marketed it as two equal sides, but it was clear that they were always stacking the deck in the “anti-registration” camp’s favor. I thought I read that they set it in the present and referred to President Bush by name.

If you want a good summation of how comics have been ruined by tools like Millar…read these pages from the new Captain America:

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/3099698.html?#cutid1

Now the real thing had showed up. The real thing murdered my neighbors. In my city. In my country.” Miller adds, “Patriotism, I now believe, isn’t some sentimental, old, conceit. It’s self-preservation. I believe patriotism is central to a nation’s survival

Frank Miller essay on what happened on 9/11 and his newfound patriotism – good on you FM, and you Niko. Where are you?

Keep in mind that Millar is a Scotsman, and what little cognitive function he was born with has been hopelessly impeded by cheap drink.

Jim Treacher on March 7, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Added ‘cheap’ for emphasis. Cheap impedes more effectively and is so, well, so Scottish. I do have good Scottish friends – Scotsmen, don’t get mad.

With Putin polonium poisoning and literally shooting down dissenters in the streets, with Theo Van Gogh being slaughtered in the most liberal city on Earth by a homegrown Mohammedan, with the sectarian lunacies of inter-Islam massacres in Iraq and Algeria, with Christian schoolgirls and Buddhist rubber-tappers being beheaded in SE Asia by Muslim “militants”, with Iran looking to perform the final Holocaust on the Jews, with Sudden-Jihad-Syndrome being pooh-poohed away in American mall and college campus attacks, these daring cultural critics are worrying (just as the dopey “revolutionary” delusionalists in the 1960′s worried about the secret concentration camps being built for the hippies) about the non-existent threat to their non-threatened liberties at home. (My God, they’re know what library books I’ve checked out! To arms!)

It is so much easier to kick your tame guard dog (Bushitler)than yell at the pit bulls (Islamic Imperialist terrorists) next door who will eat your face if you rile them up.

Cowardice, thy name is cartoonist.

(Except in Denmark. *~@):~{>)

Imagine using that today. Super-charged hippies with the patchuli shields.

BWAHAHA!!

Is nothing sacred?

World B. Free on March 7, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Not anymore. Don’t forget there’s a war on all that is.