Video: The pain ray

posted at 2:08 pm on March 6, 2007 by Allahpundit

I’m swiping this video from Noah Shachtman so I purposely won’t give you background on it in order to make you read his post. This isn’t just war porn, folks; this is a weapon that’s available — now — and which the Marines in Iraq say they need — now. And they may not get it for fear of enraging the perpetually enraged on both sides of the pond.

I confess, I don’t quite grasp the huge tactical advantage they’ll receive from what looks to be a crowd-control weapon, but I’ve said too much already. Take it away, Noah.

Exit question: Is there an even more chilling, more completely awesome stun beam in the works than this? Friends, there is.

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we could have used this crap in Seattle circa Dec. 1999.

Editor on March 6, 2007 at 2:12 PM

And its a huge target on the battlefield. That huge dish is just aching to be targetted by an RPG. If it were smaller and less obvious it’d be a lot more impressive.

lorien1973 on March 6, 2007 at 2:15 PM

I live in Santa Cruz, CA. I drive on freeways in the San Francisco Bay area. I see “Kucinich for President” bumper stickers everyday. I think I should be allowed to test drive one of these units. I promise to use it only as needed.

mkstach on March 6, 2007 at 2:16 PM

That second weapon would be too hot on the runway model black market.

Editor on March 6, 2007 at 2:16 PM

I can’t believe Hillary agreed to let the military use recordings of her voice to develop this thing.

saint kansas on March 6, 2007 at 2:17 PM

Saw some Muslim on Jazeera making a comment that is was some super duper death ray disguised as a non lethal weapon.

He was making the assertion that this was another US weapon of mass dustruction bent on killing Muslims.

BTW the Dixie Chicks got dissed by the country music awards so we are spared their non lethal nattering for awhile

http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/40410711

ACMs Ain’t Whistlin’ Dixie (Chicks)

03/05/2007 5:12 AM, E! Online
Julie Keller

Sure they swept the Grammy Awards, but apparently the Dixie Chicks don’t fly with the Academy of Country Music.

Nominations were announced Monday for the annual ACM Awards and there was nary a Chick to be found despite the Texas trio’s five Grammys for Taking the Long Way. The Chicks have won 10 ACMs in their career, including Entertainer of the Year in 2000, but have been shunned by the Nashville establishment since their President Bush-bashing comments in 2003.

While the Academy of Country Music isn’t ready to make nice with the Chicks, the organization made sure the usual Nasville-pleasing subjects were accounted for, led by George Straight, Brooks & Dunn and Rascal Flatts.

William Amos on March 6, 2007 at 2:21 PM

I thought we did want to kill the enemy. I hope we get to use our real guns after this thing gets them to run around in circles.

Zetterson on March 6, 2007 at 2:22 PM

Editor’s a Zoolander fan. Its a walk off!

Zetterson on March 6, 2007 at 2:23 PM

I confess, I don’t quite grasp the huge tactical advantage they’ll receive from what looks to be a crowd-control weapon

If the narration is correct, they can clear an area beyond the range of small arms fire. I’d imagine that also puts them beyond the effective range of RPG’s.

I want to know if this works through walls.

Pablo on March 6, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Humane? Inhumane? Or awesome?

Awesomely Humane?

Lawrence on March 6, 2007 at 2:26 PM

I think Ron Popeil invented this thing.

Set it and…forget it!

But wait, there’s more!

benrand on March 6, 2007 at 2:28 PM

Its an interesting device, never thought they would find a use for Mother Sheehans recordings though…

Read a while back that you can use sound waves to set up a resonant frequency that would kill chickens. Apparently their is a threshold where it turns their brains into mush (or liberals, not sure which)

Wyrd on March 6, 2007 at 2:30 PM

I’m thinking this would be great for crowd control when suspect suicide bombers are using those crowds for cover.

Lawrence on March 6, 2007 at 2:31 PM

I actually heard about this and similar weapons a few years ago on Coast to Coast AM… Does this also mean aliens live among us?

RightWinged on March 6, 2007 at 2:32 PM

maybe I missed it in the video/Wired blog, but did they talk about how wide the fields cone is? Is this a pinpoint weapon, or can they set it to clear a path, say, 50 feet wide at 100 yds?

dalewalt on March 6, 2007 at 2:33 PM

Humane? Inhumane? Or awesome?

The third choice.

With a generous helping of awesome sauce.

Slublog on March 6, 2007 at 2:39 PM

Does this also mean aliens live among us?

consider this the obligatory “undocumented resident” reply.

Editor on March 6, 2007 at 2:40 PM

The cool thing about this is you can be really loose and free with the ROE. If some guy is snooping around your perimeter, just zap him. If it turns out he’s friendly, no harm done. If he was probing the defenses, he now knows that he’s been spotted and needs to find another way. This also works great against rock throwing youths.

BohicaTwentyTwo on March 6, 2007 at 2:46 PM

What’s so new about a weapon that makes you vomit? The liberals have been using hillary on us for years.

csdeven on March 6, 2007 at 2:47 PM

I think Ron Popeil invented this thing.

Set it and…forget it!

But wait, there’s more!

benrand on March 6, 2007 at 2:28 PM

Tooooooooo funny!

RushBaby on March 6, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Head On …apply directly to the forehead

Head On …apply directly to the forehead

Head On

Agreed…might come in handy for crowd control, but it seems to me it might be easy to counter on the battlefield.

As for the second link…”eww!”

JetBoy on March 6, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Great new invention huh? I’ve had one of these for years, it’s called a microwave oven. I get the same result by leaving the door open and running the unit.

soulsirkus on March 6, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Hey – just thought of this: We could use ADS as part of our “virtual fence”!

RushBaby on March 6, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Can tinfoil hats deflect the pain ray?

bloviator on March 6, 2007 at 2:59 PM

Excellent method of non-lethal crowd control. I can see where this would be a huge advantage for military and police units. Wow!

omegaram on March 6, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Can tinfoil hats deflect the pain ray?

No, but it creates a “jiffy pop” effect.

rw on March 6, 2007 at 3:05 PM

We need to keep this technology out of the hands of Lex Luthor.

Jim Treacher on March 6, 2007 at 3:06 PM

Three words, gentlemen.

SOLAR DEATH RAY. Behold the fury of 112 suns!!!

fusionaddict on March 6, 2007 at 3:10 PM

“Mr. Checkhov, your Agonizer, please.”

Coyote D. on March 6, 2007 at 3:15 PM

You, Sir, are fast becoming the Larry Flynt of warpr0n.

Kid from Brooklyn on March 6, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Ok, so leave it to me to ask: What would the Founding Fathers think? They were very scared of government having power. What would they say about the government’s ability to shoot first, ask questions later? Would you trust this in the hands of, say for instance, President Hillary? John Kerry? It’s all great when the good guys are in office, but what happens when they aren’t?

Please don’t flame me, I am seriously wanting a good discussion on this.

Decoy256 on March 6, 2007 at 3:18 PM

In other words, keep it up.

Kid from Brooklyn on March 6, 2007 at 3:18 PM

we could have used this crap in Seattle circa Dec. 1999.

Editor on March 6, 2007 at 2:12 PM

That’s the first thing I thought when I read this post. Violent hippies hopping around the street. What a joyous sight.

Bill C on March 6, 2007 at 3:19 PM

Decoy256 on March 6, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Those prospects are enough to make me vomit on my own, no EPIC ray needed.

Kid from Brooklyn on March 6, 2007 at 3:19 PM

If Seattle had this thing at WTO, the Mayor would have used it on the cops to ensure that the right to protest was maintained.

rw on March 6, 2007 at 3:29 PM

I fear this will hurt our enemy’s feeling’s, so I’m against it. It’s, like, torture and stuff.

Halley on March 6, 2007 at 3:47 PM

This reminds me of a documentary I was watching a few months back about the creative weapons the Germans were testing during World War II.

They had a sound cannon that would burst people’s ear drums and cause the person to run away or collapse on the ground in pain. However, it was much to unwieldy to bring onto the battlefield.

They also had a weapon that would disrupt air currents and cause planes to fall out of the sky (in theory). Their science was solid, but, the ‘guns’ field was so small that it would basically have been complete luck if they had actually hit a plane with it.

I love when people get creative with weapons. That’s why I thought I would be a big fan of the show FutureWeapons (or is it FutureTech?), but, not so much. It’s a little too much of the host and not enough detail about the weapons (although I understand why they might not be so eager to give out details about our hi-tech weaponry).

JadeNYU on March 6, 2007 at 3:47 PM

Just think, you can perform crowd control and at the same time, enjoy your favorite store-bought brand of popping corn.

DEELISH…

benrand on March 6, 2007 at 3:51 PM

Exit question: Is there an even more chilling, more completely awesome stun beam in the works than this? Friends, there is.

Is that anything like Cartman’s Brown Noise?

Mazztek on March 6, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Weapons that make the enemy jump, puke, and live to jump and puke another day…

If it knocks them down and let’s the people on our side survive, let’s deploy a cluster of them on top of the things that are getting shot at in the first place…And start taking aim; starting with Iraq’s borders. It’ll make the checkpoint work a whole lot more interesting.

52Ranger on March 6, 2007 at 3:54 PM

Tactical advantages:

1. When someone is firing (as they often do) from a crowd, scatter them and then take out the guy with the gun.

2. When there is a riot building, or groups of kids that are being sent out by adults so that a. The military will fire on and get in the news and b. because the military can’t/won’t do this, will now have a recourse.

- The Cat

P.S. I say make an invisable border fence out of this thing. Energy requirments? It’s in the desert for the most part, solar dudes.

MirCat on March 6, 2007 at 4:09 PM

Not much of a chance this weapon will be used as long as we have liberal politicking pansies like this.

“If we’re not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation. If I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.”

Air Force secretary Michael Wynne

I suppose bullets are safer you dimwitted coward.
This thing was ready to go and the beurocrats sp.snuffed it out.It tiffs me off that some,we cant be mean to the enemy,doll hugging brass polisher got teary eyed at the prospect of a terrorist getting a red spot on their skin.
Its not like agent orange ya know.
I want my super duper death ray.

spazzmomma on March 6, 2007 at 4:14 PM

we could have used this crap in Seattle circa Dec. 1999 Chicago circa 1968.

CBarker on March 6, 2007 at 4:15 PM

Sounds things make in the Microwave

Cat: Meow-Pop
Bird: Tweet-Pop
Dog: Ruff-Pop
People: ADS?-Pop

TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2007 at 4:17 PM

the Mayor would have used it on the cops to ensure that the right to protest was maintained.

rw on March 6, 2007 at 3:29 PM

BUT you forgot, Reichert was in charge at the time. He’d have been riding on top of Sims’ limo making way and zapping the anarchists.

Editor on March 6, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Was the technology for the ADS derived from the “Orgasmatron”?

PinkyBigglesworth on March 6, 2007 at 4:35 PM

you should write a piece on Dragon Skin….

liquidflorian on March 6, 2007 at 5:13 PM

Hmm… I wonder if the depth is adjustable?

maintenanceman on March 6, 2007 at 5:14 PM

I was under the impression there is a working prototype of this thing, but that doesn’t entail it’s in production. If the guys on the ground can make use of the prototype (as the USAF did the single existing E-8A JSTAR aircraft in the ’91 Gulf War), then by all means, ship it over. But if it’s something that could primarily be of use only if there were many distributed to multiple units, the system likely just isn’t ready yet (by all means, start building them as soon as feasible, but we shouldn’t produce what doesn’t have its kinks worked out, and we can’t field what we don’t yet have).

Blacklake on March 6, 2007 at 5:19 PM

Hmm… I wonder if the depth is adjustable?

Not too much unless you move to smaller wavelengths (like x-rays). Depth of penetration is determined by the wavelength (this is essentially a MMW (30 – 300ghz) EHF (Extremely High Frequency) Radar system – A microwave oven if you will. Strictly speaking, these waves are smaller than microwaves.

TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2007 at 5:33 PM

Evil Spock: “Your agonizer, please.”

mojo on March 6, 2007 at 5:50 PM

Thank you, O Allah, for this gift of weapon porn.

spmat on March 6, 2007 at 5:54 PM

In 10,000 trial exposures, there were only six cases of blistering and one instance of second-degree burns in a laboratory accident, according to Pentagon documents.

Who the hell signs up to test this kind of equipment.

ScottyDog on March 6, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Who the hell signs up to test this kind of equipment.

I’d bet that a lot of volunteers were recruited from the SF Craigslist Casual Encounters section.

rw on March 6, 2007 at 6:39 PM

Somehow, a puke ray is even cooler than a death ray. In an Animal House kind of way.

flipflop on March 6, 2007 at 6:41 PM

WARGASM!!!

fusionaddict on March 6, 2007 at 6:46 PM

James Carville and Al Franken on loudspeakers would have been just as effective and a lot cheaper.

Texas Mike on March 6, 2007 at 7:11 PM

Sweet. Think i’ll try to make something similar out of my old microwave.

forged rite on March 6, 2007 at 7:12 PM

Early heat ray detection – a couple of microwave unpoped popcorn bags worn on the body.

I wonder if it’s accurate enough to aim the heat ray between the legs??

Kokonut on March 6, 2007 at 7:23 PM

I wonder if it would work on the tin man, Looks like it’s time to get my tinfoil suit and hat out of the closet.

KCtheKat on March 6, 2007 at 7:45 PM

This is why I love HotAir! You guys are crackin’ me up, one of the funniest threads yet.

I hope they have a burn mode and kill mode. Burn hippies … kill terrorists.

They also could’ve used this at the Miami riots. Off topic, but during those Miami riots, the local tv news had one of the idiot protestors on the phone, they asked her “Do you condone the violence by the rioters?” The moron, calling herself ‘Moonbeam’ or something stupid like that answered ” I’ll tell you what I condone, I condone all the violence that American capitalists are doing to the rainforest in Brazil!” Newschick: “Wait, you *condone* that?” Moonbeam: “Yeah, I condone that! It’s wrong to cut down trees!” Newschick: “Um, no, I think you mean…” Moonbeam: “I condone the violence America has done to the people of the Third World!” Newschick: “You mean you *condemn* what America … (CLICK) … hello? Moonbeam?”

Tony737 on March 6, 2007 at 7:57 PM

…there were only six cases of blistering and one instance of second-degree burns…

The first time one of these things gets used in a non-war crowd-control situation, and someone using some sort of “pain-inhibiting substance” gets their eyes fried, all parties involved can kiss their assets goodbye. Just ask some of the folks who have gone up against Silky Pony in court.

eeyore on March 6, 2007 at 8:18 PM

WTF . . . Just shoot the bastards. This is a war damnit.

Not crowd control or should I say insurgent control.

Texyank on March 6, 2007 at 9:31 PM

This reminds me of a Kate Bush video from the early eighties, “Experiment IV”
It was an early job for the actor from the TV show House. Stand back I’m going to attempt my first link thingy.

Buck Turgidson on March 6, 2007 at 10:30 PM

“Guess I need a new hat” – Bullwinkle

Buck Turgidson on March 6, 2007 at 10:37 PM

Pardon my inexperience. Let me see if I’ve figured this out.
Experiment IV indeed.

Buck Turgidson on March 6, 2007 at 11:19 PM

P.S. I say make an invisable border fence out of this thing. Energy requirments? It’s in the desert for the most part, solar dudes.

MirCat on March 6, 2007 at 4:09 PM

I say send this to our Mexican border asap to test it’s affectiveness

bones47 on March 6, 2007 at 11:26 PM

Awesome…use it on the border and in Iraq.

JustTruth101 on March 6, 2007 at 11:28 PM

We need to kill the enemy, not give him a hot foot. If civilians get killed, tough shit. Don’t want to get killed in the crossfire? Don’t hang out near terrorist animals.

Lazarus on March 7, 2007 at 12:49 AM