China on the military move Update Taiwan’s president talks independence

posted at 10:28 am on March 5, 2007 by Bryan

Over the past few years, China has poured much of its annual double-digit economic growth. This year, that trend will continue:

BEIJING — China announced Sunday that it will sharply increase military spending this year, budgeting a rise of nearly 18 percent, and a senior U.S. official immediately called for clarity on the planned hike.

Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte said at a news conference at the end of his first visit to Beijing in his new post that the Bush administration is dissatisfied with China’s unwillingness to share such information. “We think it’s important in our dialogue that we understand what China’s plans and intentions are,” he said.

The government’s military budget announcement and Negroponte’s swift appeal for more transparency highlighted a particularly uneasy point in what has become a broad, close and increasingly important U.S.-China relationship.

Negroponte has been assigned the lead role in managing that relationship, a mission he emphasized by calling on Chinese officials so soon after his Feb. 13 swearing in. Apparently by coincidence, the Chinese government chose the same moment to announce that its declared military expenditures for 2007 will amount to $44.94 billion, an increase of 17.8 percent.

According to Pentagon estimates, that declared total represents about a third of actual military spending if equipment purchases are taken into account. But even that would amount to only a fraction of the U.S. military budget, which rose to about $623 billion for fiscal 2008.

Our defense budget is larger for all kinds of reasons, not least of which is that we’re actually at war. We also conduct the leading edge military R&D, which is an expensive endeavor. Our military should have grown larger immediately after 9-11. It’s appalling that we’re only now increasing the size of our forces to deal with the fights that we’re in. It’s intriguing that China is building up its military forces so fast, and that it is hiding much of its military spending while it is doing so. It’s all about Taiwan of course, but relatedly China also wants to become a blue water, global reach power on a level with the US. It’s nearly astronomical military spending increases, year after year, while we’re at war with the same size force we had five years ago, will help it get there and get there quickly. China won’t use that power in the same way that we do, unfortunately. If Sudan is a guide, China would use its military power in the service bringing Taiwan to heel, of besting Japan’s and South Korea’s and Russia’s regional power, and abroad only in the service of procuring oil and other natural resource supplies. There will be no wars of liberation conducted by the People’s Liberation Army.

China also gets the international propaganda game quite well. Even while it is boosting its military spending, it is publicly sacrificing economic growth to satisfy the green agenda. That’ll win the PRC some points with the transnational progressive left, which is predisposed to support anyone against the US generally, even if China is one of the world’s largest polluters and its Three Gorges Dam could be one of the most environmentally reckless projects ever conceived.

Asia generally is a region to keep an eye on. China is swifly building its military and will become a serious power. The North Korea crisis has entered a new, somewhat strange phase. Japan is stepping up to be a responsible international power, but its politicians have to stop historical revisionism and behave themselves. Thailand is battling a growing Islamic insurgency that will test its cohesiveness and may become a beachhead for international jihadis to launch attacks throughout Asia. The region’s states need to be united against that threat, but the likelihood of broad unity seems slim.

Update: Related–

Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian has again raised the controversial topic of independence – this time as China’s parliament opened its annual sessions in Beijing. VOA’s Heda Bayron reports from Hong Kong, Mr. Chen’s comments drew immediate and expected condemnation from Beijing.

President Chen told a Taiwan pro-independence group, Formosan Association for Public Affairs, Sunday evening that the island, in his words, “should be independent”.

“Taiwan is a sovereign independent country outside of the People’s Republic of China and to pursue independence is the common and long-held ideal of the Taiwan people,” he said.

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Can you blame them? Because of Congress and the American Left the US is perceived as weak. Why waste your time and money on liberating people when you can consolidate power and use it to spread your hegemony.

What will be interesting to see is what Europe will do. Will they stand by our side or will they see China as the new savior to block Russian aggression?

JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 10:45 AM

Greeeeeaaat. Another region to keep an eye on.

amerpundit on March 5, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Bah, China. And the “Peoples Liberation Army,” indeed. They could liberate themselves…..Or are they waiting for Hillary to be elected, and hope they won’t have to conduct R&D anymore?

Seriously, I wouldn’t be surprised if China wants to keep the pot stirred up enough that they COULD make a move on Taiwan, and we would be too overstretched to do much about it.

Vanceone on March 5, 2007 at 10:48 AM

Greeeeeaaat. Another region to keep an eye on.

So what else is new? Asia has been on the watch list since Mao’s Revolution, possibly since before that. As China moves from a Socialist entity to a more Facist-style economy they will seek to expand. That is why it is so important to get nations like India, Japan, and even Pakistan, on our side as possible leverage against China.

It’s a brave new world and we need new allies. Europe, although strategically important, is a faded shadow of it’s former glory.

JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 10:50 AM

You know, we COULD kill two birds with one stone here: move the 3rd Marine division (or whichiver is based in Japan) to Taiwan permanently. The Japs want us out, and China would think (I hope) twice about attacking us in Taiwan. The Marines would still be close by, in case of NK or something, and Japan can defend themselves, I hope.

Even better would be to move another division, and leave the 3rd Marines in place.

Vanceone on March 5, 2007 at 10:51 AM

We need to cut spending on foreign aid and dump the savings into the military.

We need new bombers, increase our F-22 and F-35 purchases. We need to also increase building and spending on our DDX program.

That would be a start…

Tim Burton on March 5, 2007 at 10:52 AM

What happened to my comment?

JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 10:52 AM

Vanceone, I’m banning you for using “Japs.”

Bryan on March 5, 2007 at 10:56 AM

VanceOne, Tim Burton.

I think you guys are missing the point. We should not use aggressive actions against China. They follow a brand of realpolitik that turns the stomach of the average American. We can beat them diplomatically.

I think China is a non-issue. They have a horrible male-female ratio that will end up hurting the nation in the near future. Ironically, for a nation with as many people as China has they will soon run into a population problem.

JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 10:58 AM

Vanceone, I’m banning you for using “Japs.”

Maybe he was trying to take it back?

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JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 11:06 AM

Japan is stepping up to be a responsible international power, but its politicians have to stop historical revisionism and behave themselves.

I’d still arm them, though. If for no other reason than to put the fear of the Samurai into the PLA.

Kid from Brooklyn on March 5, 2007 at 11:17 AM

China makes money, instead of just giving money away they put them to work. I would bet they are increasing their infra-struture at just a great of pace.
The military is a very effective way of putting people to work, creating pride, developing R & D. It takes hundreds of people to put the soldier in the field with modern equiptment and support.

right2bright on March 5, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Does $44.94 billion number factor the cost differential between what a U.S. dollar buys and a Chinese dollar buys? If not, then the $44 billion could easily equate to $176 billion.

Not that it matters. I’m still convinced that China is reluctant to harm their economic success with large scale military action.

natesnake on March 5, 2007 at 11:25 AM

…and what right2bright said.

natesnake on March 5, 2007 at 11:26 AM

What will be interesting to see is what Europe will do. Will they stand by our side or will they see China as the new savior to block Russian aggression?

Old Europe will probably try to have China head up the UN Commission on Hegemony.

Watcher on March 5, 2007 at 11:34 AM

I’d wonder how long til that much military money crashes the Chinese economy but unfortunately since we BUY EVERYTHING from China that’s not going to work.

Other note, do y’all realize that China has 15 million more men then women? Army recruits anyone?

Defector01 on March 5, 2007 at 11:43 AM

Other note, do y’all realize that China has 15 million more men then women? Army recruits anyone?

That, or the Mother Of All Swordfights.

Kid from Brooklyn on March 5, 2007 at 11:49 AM

But how is China’s navy? Can they make it out past India and Japan’s navy, which are our close military allies, thanks to President Bush? Bush has sewn up Japan and India while the MSM slept.
China is also dealing with internal unrest and a major religious revival. I doubt they will be able to project much power when one looks beneath the surface.

Stormy70 on March 5, 2007 at 11:49 AM

While Bryan was enduring Ann Coulter, I was in another conference room at CPAC listening to Jed Babbin discuss the increasing threat China poses. Babbin said that a certain province in China does 100 cyber attacks against our military computers EVERY DAY. Couple that with their recent ability to shoot down satellites and the picture gets increasingly alarming. Our modern military would be blind if China took out our comms.

Babbin also claims that China underreports their military spending so as to grow it without causing suspicion.

It’s us against the world. Are we up to it? I fear that we aren’t.

pistolero on March 5, 2007 at 11:52 AM

That, or the Mother Of All Sausage Fests.

Fixed

JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 11:54 AM

We need to also increase building and spending on our DDX program.

That would be a start…

Tim Burton on March 5, 2007 at 10:52 AM

Hell, I’d settle for SLEPping some of our old carrier and battleship fleet.

Kid from Brooklyn on March 5, 2007 at 11:57 AM

JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 11:54 AM

No fix needed, they both meant the same thing. I was going for more Hitch, less Coulter. :P

Kid from Brooklyn on March 5, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Yeah, but I would assume a swordfight involves touching, which is gross.

JasonG on March 5, 2007 at 12:00 PM

Well, they could always play Karachi Hold’ Em, No Limit.

Kid from Brooklyn on March 5, 2007 at 12:11 PM

What I don’t understand is that if; drinking, gambling, and smoking is so bad, how can they be doing so well?

If we applied our stats to just their smoking, there would be only 37 people alive in China.

right2bright on March 5, 2007 at 1:04 PM

The Pentagon and CIA have been predicting China to be our next major threat since the end of the Cold War-one reason we dropped the ball with the jihadis. China is not just building up their military, either. Their support for Iran accomplishes teh dual goals of securing oil contracts from Iran and helps the Iranians keep us bogged down in Iraq. And when Iran gets the Bomb (I no longer think it’s an “if”), Iran will be targeting Israel and the US with it, not China.

As the US-led West collapses into a Second Dark Age (helped along by the jihadis and the Left), China will emerge as the leading power in the world. Then the jihadis will direct their mindless rage at China. That will last until they set off a nuke on mainland China. Then China, unencumbered by concerns for terrorists’ rights or other such nonsense, will annhilate all the Muslim countries (including Eurarabia and whatever part of Palestine is no longer glowing in the dark by then). This will be followed by a genocidal campaign to hunt down and wipe out all Muslims they can find, regardless of whether they are militant or not.

I give it 100 years.

Lancer on March 5, 2007 at 1:28 PM

On the outside. Between 50 and 100 years.

Lancer on March 5, 2007 at 1:29 PM

It’s not all about Taiwan. If and when the Chinese banking system collapses they are going to have a hell of an internal security situation on their hands. Some estimates put the level of non-performing loans at close to 50%. Somethings gotta give.

Bad Penny on March 5, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Geez Bryan, at least give the guy a warning before banning him. Unless, that is, you’ve already done so.

jaleach on March 5, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Nope, no warnings. I tried that once and ended up with half a dozen people tossing that same slur around and all of them attacking me. That taught me that warning shots are for sissies.

Bryan on March 5, 2007 at 3:05 PM

I tend to oscillate between worrying and not worrying about China. They’ve got a huge army that’s bound to start trouble at some point, but then they’ve also got demographic problems, problems with Muslims (who doesn’t), and a growing gulf between a capitalistic economy and a communist government. That last point could really take China out of the global game in a hurry. If the commies go down, they’ll likely take down the rest of the country as well in a civil war that’ll make our battle between North and South look like a game of checkers. Of course, such massive instability will kill us thanks to our dependence on cheap Chinese goods.

Ain’t global politics fun?

jaleach on March 5, 2007 at 3:08 PM

Nope, no warnings. I tried that once and ended up with half a dozen people tossing that same slur around and all of them attacking me. That taught me that warning shots are for sissies.

I’ll remember that.

jaleach on March 5, 2007 at 3:14 PM

It’s us against the world. Are we up to it? I fear that we aren’t.

Exactly. We likely aren’t. Can Hillary and Obama adopt a convincing Chinese accent to garner support from that all important anti-American, pro-communist Chinese constituency?

jaleach on March 5, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Ther legacy of Truman lives on.

- The Cat

MirCat on March 5, 2007 at 7:10 PM

Wouldn’t it be cool if we owned a large percentage of treasury securities from the other nations (and collected the interest) on the planet and if they had such trade imbalances in our favor that all of our military expenses foreign and domestic were basically, free?

Speakup on March 5, 2007 at 11:45 PM

Pay attention to what you buy when you are shopping, don’t just base your purchases on price alone. Sometimes the the cheaper product is just to expensive to buy.
stop supporting our enemies military.

Gooch on March 6, 2007 at 1:00 PM