Everything you mention is a source of contention in different translations of the Koran, just as there are controversies in various translations of the Bible. I think it is interesting that you prefer to believe you are wiser to the ways of Islam than the “ignorant” peaceful ones who have studied the Koran their whole lives, what was it the Bible said about hubris?

B Moe on March 4, 2007 at 8:46 PM

Your statement is inaccurate and misleading.

1) Many of the followers of Islam have little to no knowledge of what is in the Q’ran. Many cannot read the Q’ran in the language it is originally written in, while many just follow the religion without spending much time reading the Q’ran in depth, and without thinking about the clear evidence of violence called for in the Q’ran.

2) There is not much conflict between translations in the Q’ran, where they can be found. I have read excerpts from different sections of the Q’ran from different translations into English and they pretty much correspond with one another, and they maintain the same main meaning.

3) There is little to no conflict in translations of the Bible as well. There are some phrase differences between different translations-versions but these are basically no different from saying “Today I am going to the store,” and “I am going to the store today,” and “I am going to the market today,” and “Today I am going to shop at the market.”

Many people attempt to discount the true content of the Q’ran from those who read it and see that the hatred and violence clearly called for in the Q’ran does truly exist.

Many people attempt to discount the statement and claims in the Bible, and even attempt to skew the content in the Bible by saying that translations differ when, in fact, there is virtually no difference between translations, save the phrasing.

Nevertheless, it is foolish for targets of Islamic Jihad, targets such as the non-Islamic world, to downplay the very real danger that their religious scripture perpetrates in its very content.

William

Which Mohammad are we using…?

I use the one that studious Muslims use …the one in the Koran and Hadiths. The official Mohammad, the “prophet” of Islam.

Thankfully, as few Muslims have read either source, seriously, as Christians have read the Bible, beyond a few X-Mas quotes, so these Mohammedans remain “peaceful” out of blissful ignorance of the violent nature of their nominal leader.

Or isn’t raping a 9 year old girl pedophilia?

Isn’t sending out your henchman to assassinate people who simply mock you murderous and criminal?

Isn’t ordering your followers to not take Christians or Jews a friends sociopathic?

What part of MOEhammad is worth preserving?

His contempt for the worth of women as “half of a man”?

His contempt for representational art?

His contempt for dogs (one of our natural and faithful allies on Earth)?

His belief that meteorites were missiles used to hit devils with?

His notion that a demon urinates in the ear of a person who falls asleep during prayer services?

Rev. Jim Jones -of cyanide Kool-Aid infamy- has about as much to recommend him to our posterity.

Read the Koran- spread the dread.

Read the Hadiths- for a world-historical laugh.

Obscene!

Hoenig spoke truth and the host of Red Eye apologizes?

Are the Jihadis threatening to blow up Fox News, to kidnap all those on the Red Eye program, torture them, coerce them to become Muslims, or behead them live on television?

That’s my guess.

Islam has won. Fear has gripped the world. Even China is said to hide the Pig image for this new Chinese New Year, the Year of the Pig, so that they do not “offend” Islam and Muslims.

The Chinese don’t care when it comes to persecuting Christians, and Falun Gong practitioners, do they? No. They don’t.

At least Christians, Falun Gong, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Ba’hais, Jain’s, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, and on and on, don’t go out and blow up your house, your car, or kidnap you and your family, torture you to death, coerce you to convert, or slit you from ear to ear like Muslims do.

What a world, full of double standards and gutlessness, allowing bad people to set the rules, and submitting to them.

Aren’t there any righteous, strong, brave men left?

William

Jonathan’s other comments are his own.

I think he was making a point that you can’t say Islam sucks on tv without serious back lash. The fact that the host is appologizing for it makes the point beautifully.

The media can call Christ an insane narcisist all they want … but oh boy don’t say nothing about Islam.

Proof positive that violence does work … in the favor of Jihad.

Start printing up those t-shirts and bumper stickers NOW.

I noted that for somebody to hold that saying “Mohammed sucks” is just as bad as saying “Jesus sucks”, you have to first establish moral equivalency between the two.

This isn’t a matter of insulting the respective prophets, as much as respecting the followers of each. There are many varied interpretations of Mohammeds words, not all people agree his was the war-mongering pedophile others see, so establishing a moral equivalence is going to be rather tricky it seems to me. Which Mohammed are we using for comparison?

If we only focus on the negative, people can paint quite a different view of Jesus than I am guessing most of you hold.

We don’t allow violent extremists to define our Savior, why should we aid and abet the violent extremists who are trying to define Mohammed against the wishes of the peaceful Muslems living next door to us?

After all, aren’t we supposed to be BETTER than they are?

Otherwise, we’ll all be donning kaffiyehs, Semtex belts and scimitars and BECOME THAT WHICH WE HATE!!!1!1!

/sarcasm off.

Misha I on March 3, 2007 at 4:46 PM:

After all, aren’t we supposed to be BETTER than they are?

Otherwise, we’ll all be donning kaffiyehs, Semtex belts and scimitars and BECOME THAT WHICH WE HATE!!!1!1!

/sarcasm off.

Misha I on March 3, 2007 at 4:46 PM

But hey, I hear that moral equivalency is all the rage these days.

Faggots

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Otherwise, we’ll all be donning kaffiyehs, Semtex belts and scimitars and BECOME THAT WHICH WE HATE!!!1!1!

/sarcasm off.

Don’t make me move your high chair back into the nursery.

sure. just because some people are assholes doesn’t mean you have to be one, too.

But Levy, that wasn’t the point of the comment I made to which he answered with a complete non sequitur.

I noted that for somebody to hold that saying “Mohammed sucks” is just as bad as saying “Jesus sucks”, you have to first establish moral equivalency between the two.

Otherwise, saying “Rust-Tierney is a pedophile sack of sh*t” is no better than saying “Bush is a pedophile sack of sh*t”, and I dare say that there’s a difference there somewhere.

You know I’m being a total smartass on this thread, right?

billy on March 4, 2007 at 1:10 AM

Levy’s face, meet egg. :) Sorry I couldn’t resist.

But yeah Hoenig said it in all seriousness and personally I agree with him; The prophet Mohamed IS what’s wrong with Islam.

- The Cat

please. you really think fox news channel, of all places, wouldn’t apologize if someone on our air said “your messiah jesus christ sucks?” next you’ll accuse us of liberal bias
Levy on March 4, 2007 at 12:53 AM

You know I’m being a total smartass on this thread, right?

Dream on Levy, dream on. FNC only appologized because they are afraid of terrorists.

please. you really think fox news channel, of all places, wouldn’t apologize if someone on our air said “your messiah jesus christ sucks?” next you’ll accuse us of liberal bias.

and to another commenter’s point: hoenig didn’t say it as a joke – he meant it. i’m a big fan of his, and i’m not attacking him, i’m just stating a fact.

anyway, we did what we had to do, and it’s done. in my opinion we did the right thing. if anyone thinks that makes me a pussy, my army veteran’s ass can live with that.

Would you parse that one for me so that it at the very least makes a modicum of actual sense?

sure. just because some people are assholes doesn’t mean you have to be one, too.

(that’s “you” in the general sense, not “you, misha.”)

No, you work from the premise that mankind is a true brotherhood rather than a fake druken fraternity hazing a new generation just because “they did it to me so I’m doing it to them.”

Would you parse that one for me so that it at the very least makes a modicum of actual sense?

Why is that soo terrible when it’s true ? ?

This country or at least FNC has lost it’s BALLS . . .

But hey, I hear that moral equivalency is all the rage these days.

Faggots.