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Okay. Feel free to ridicule me now for even considering such a thing.

CyberCipher on March 4, 2007 at 12:35 AM

CyberCipher,

I agree with you.

I did not think to put it into words like you have. I do think Coulter has issues.

I notice she does not seem to have a family, children, and so on.

To my knowledge she is alone and this is her life.

She is witty, possesses a biting tongue, and can be sharp as a razor, but she does seem to have some issues.

I am happy that she does skewer leftists, liberals, for few do so, nevertheless there is a point at which she is swimming in very murky waters.

William

outrage from the right forced marcott off the edwards blogging team, followed by edwards retracting his rubber condemnation and morcot and the nutroots protesting that they were “smeared” by being quoted accurately. when marcot and her comrades write about “godbags” and the like, its bigotry, and none of the antigay bigots like william2006 or hiraghm would accept any of their dissembling about it.

now they’re operating in the exact same mnanner as the edwards campaign and, with astonishing giant balls, questioning the authenticity of our conservatism for objecting.

jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:31 AM

Bigoted?

What are you talking about?

You made a statement with nothing to support it and explain your claim.

My name does not belong with the world “bigot.”

There is nothing I wrote under this thread which is bigoted.

Nevertheless, your do appear to be bigoted, prejudicial, and arrogant to make such a statement.

I await your apology for your incendiary comment and false accusation.

William

Oh, I see – you have seniority. Sorry, I’m a n00b, so I haven’t read the rule book yet.*

*BTW, that was a joke, so please don’t get on me for implying there is a conservative “rule book”.

John from WuzzaDem on March 5, 2007 at 4:52 PM

But there is a book and if you didn’t know that it must means you haven’t been inducted into the fraternity. 1) Take your computer apart and put it in a paper bag. 2) Go stand on your front law. 3) Leave a message on your blog letting us know you have completed parts 1 and 2.

And again, that kind of behavior may be acceptable and expected on playgrounds across the country, but it was hardly appropriate for the CPAC Convention.

DFWShook on March 5, 2007 at 4:32 PM

If you want to argue that the venue was inappropriate I can respect that. Since I know you crave my respect. :-P

No I don’t have a blog.

I have totally understood your point the whole time. I used to be where you are. I have commented so in every thread we have going on this. My point about Ann was that the word faggot is immoral. But she did not use it in an immoral way.

Other immoral words ares nigger, spic, kike, wop, blanket ass, mick, heb, etc. Ann did not use the word in an immoral way even if the entire room thought she did. AND, it wasn’t used immorally even if she knew people would react the way they did. (Just as my use of the words above were not used in an immoral way, someone could accuse me of politically incorrect speech.) Rush used to do this all the time. And he did make references to specific people. Barney Frank etc. AND, when Rush came on the scene, many conservatives were offended by him and tried to distance themselves for fear of being associated with politically incorrect speech.

Ann is doing the same thing. Her words have hidden meanings that only those with a better than fair knowledge of the entire scope of conservative thought really get what she is saying. Rush got us started and Ann is the next step.

To prove this we look back at Ann’s actions in the past. As recently as a few weeks ago, she commented on this very point. (Someone had left a link earlier) She was not calling edwards a faggot. Therefore she was not using the term as an insult but as part of a statement about PC insanity. Yet, she is being accused of saying something that she did not say and people are excoriating her for it so she will shut up and retrack what she said. That is the purpose of PC attacks.

This is the pivitol point that seperates us on this issue. I have always understood your point. The question I pose to you is: Can you see how Anns remark was not an insult but an attack on PC?

You fight PC by exposing it as false moralism while you determinedly retain the high ground and defend Morality by eschewing personal assaults….

Can you give me some specific examples of serious successes that this tactic you are persuing has produced? I have provided that evidence in my ruler analogy, and before I toss it out, I’d like to see the same argument made for your opinion.

Pablo on March 4, 2007 at 7:24 PM

I’m sorry I missed your response.

Let me ask you this. Would this event mattered as much to the news cycle if Republicans had honored Reagan’s 11th Commandment?

If Coulter is just in it for the attention, wouldn’t honoring Reagan’s 11th Commandment dampened things for her a bit?

Just a thought.

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Michael Medved has a piece out on Townhall about the matter.

Its a good read.

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GT on March 5, 2007 at 5:04 PM

“Senator Edwards deserves condemnation for his left wing politics, his naked opportunism, even for his long career as an ambulance chasing lawyer, but laughingly smearing him as a closeted homosexual constitutes an inexcusable degradation of public discourse.” – Medved.

Rush just finished talking about this.

In summary, conservatives can’t let the left define them as racist, homophobe etc. and by assuming a defensive posture concerning Ann’s comments we are, in effect, validating their opinion of us.
Bill C on March 5, 2007 at 2:00 PM

Rush played it more down the middle than you let on. He also stated that Ann shouldn’t have used that word in that place. Look at the transcript when Rush posts it on his site.

Laura Ingraham was less equivocal.

DFWShook on March 5, 2007 at 4:32 PM

We agree, she crossed the line. I had posted that on another thread.

As a gay man and an conservative, I have to question whether I’m really welcomed in the GOP’s big tent…

This and your next paragraph is what I was referring to. Notice that the posts were not all supporting her. She is not the spokesperson, she is “a” spokesperson..hence the big tent. Remember, we have a VP that we support, and he has made room in the tent for you. As for me, I could care less what your sexuality was, I don’t even know what sex most of the posters are on this blog. I don’t know what religion, or race they are…and I don’t care. What they stand for, that I do care, and what they know, I like to learn.
And the term Fa***t is not only stupid, it is outdated. But then it was an obsure reference, that few people know. A tastless joke gone awry.

Its a good read.

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John, I assume you were a Dem who chose to leave because of the left’s inability to even pretend they wanted to protect this country.

No, I’m not a “cafeteria conservative”. Not even close.

When John who wuzzadem tries to tell Bill C who was neveradem how to behave then I get the impression that you look at me as someone who barely tolerate.

Wow. You certainly read a lot into four little words. My intention was not to “tell you what to do”, but I guess you can chalk that up to my inexperience as a conservative.

As for you being someone I can “barely tolerate”, I don’t even know you, and if I had any negative feelings toward you I would have ribbed you, which is what I intended.

Hey, what happened to “sharing the tent with people with whom you disagree”?

Just don’t tell me how a conservative is supposed to act. I know because I have been doing it all my life.

Bill C on March 5, 2007 at 3:34 PM

Oh, I see – you have seniority. Sorry, I’m a n00b, so I haven’t read the rule book yet.*

*BTW, that was a joke, so please don’t get on me for implying there is a conservative “rule book”.

Get over your victim mentality, don’t be so self centered. Everyone but a handful were ridiculed, picked on, made fun of, ostracized, accepted…than dumped. That is life as a kid, great one moment, sucks the next. Learn to deal with it, or spend the rest of your life whining.

I don’t have a victim mentality nor am whining. I’m just responding to those comments about how using the word “faggot” as a child was all innocent and full of fun in a weak attempt to excuse Ann Couter’s behavior. And again, that kind of behavior may be acceptable and expected on playgrounds across the country, but it was hardly appropriate for the CPAC Convention.

Never accused you of not being a “real conservative”. The only reason I used that “turned on us” comment is becuase you wanted to compare me Andrew Sullivan – which is much more offensive than being called a faggot. A faggot I may be, Andrew Sullivan I’m not.

Again, you can laugh at anything you want. Hell, I enjoy South Park. But the CPAC Convention is not the proper forum for that kind of humor.

DFWShook on March 5, 2007 at 2:15 PM

How about the kids who were fat, or skinny, or too short and small (me), or the kids being made fun of because they were straight A’s. How about the over developed girls, or the under developed girls. Or the kids with pimples, red hair, poor clothing. How about the kids with alcholic parents, or dad out of work. Quite kids, and kids who stammered, speach impediments, can’t run, can’t jump, dyslexic (dylsciex). You wore glasses…hey four eyes.

Get it? Every one was a target. You stating that you were struggling with your sexual identity, puts you in the category of everyone else struggling. Get over your victim mentality, don’t be so self centered. Everyone but a handful were ridiculed, picked on, made fun of, ostracized, accepted…than dumped. That is life as a kid, great one moment, sucks the next. Learn to deal with it, or spend the rest of your life whining.

Conservativism is big enough tent that none of us can stand up and claim that the other should be excluded. On the same note I don’t want to be told what I can find funny. That’s it. Just let me be me.

Are you and the hord of gay Republicans going to lead a purge? And yes, I am making fun of you. Your self-righteous attitude about this incident is hilarious.

I’m hardly leading a purge or being self-righteous. The only attitude about this incident that is hilarious is yours and the extent that you will go to justify it.

Growing up in Chicago I have heard plenty of black jokes, also Polish and Irish jokes were common. And I laughed at them. It was common in the schoolyard for students to have “cutting down” fights where anything about the other person was far game. I learned quickly that you have to be viscious in your humor in order to avoid being the butt of the joke. I learned that from the black kids. Don’t go onto a CPS playground, those kids will make you cry.

Last time I checked, everyone who attended CPAC was an adult. Ann Coulter is an adult. Rush Limbaugh is an adult. I also assume that you are an adult. If the strategy for 2008 is to resort to the taticts of “cutting down” fights from our childhood, then we don’t deserve to win back Congress or stay in the White House.

The saddest part of this whole incident is that the focus has become personalities rather than issues. We are at war with a very patient enemy. The U.S. media on its side. The Democrats and Lefties are on its side. 2008 is going to be about how we fight this war. So, Ann Coulter thinks that the best way to get that message out and garner support for conservatives is to imply that John Edwards is a faggot? Who cares if it turns people away and the Democrats can focus on that rather than the issues? As long as you think it funny, I guess its worth it.

And being part of a Big Tent also means that you act responibly and make an effort not to offend any one who is in the Big Tent, unless of course you don’t want them there in the first place. And the whinings about being censored sounds too much like the Dixie Chicks. Free speech means being responsible for your speech and taking criticism when you are wrong.

I don’t mind that some conservative have a problem with homosexuality, but I DO mind when they use offensive terms

If you are offended that is your problem. (A Rushism.)

I don’t think that anyone is saying that you shouldn’t laugh at something funny becuase there was an offensive word in the joke. (I have to wonder if you would laugh at jokes that use the words “nigger”, “kike” or “jap”. Maybe you would.)

Growing up in Chicago I have heard plenty of black jokes, also Polish and Irish jokes were common. And I laughed at them. It was common in the schoolyard for students to have “cutting down” fights where anything about the other person was far game. I learned quickly that you have to be viscious in your humor in order to avoid being the butt of the joke. I learned that from the black kids. Don’t go onto a CPS playground, those kids will make you cry.

The complaint is that the CPAC was not the proper forum for the joke in the first place. Comedy can be enlightening, but her joke was far from it. It was a cheap personal attack. It didn’t address any substantial issues and it was done at the expense of others.

Yup comedy can simply be about pointing out your opponents flaws and making fun of them. Conservatives should do more of that. Trying to play nice really does not get the base fired up and being mean doesn’t seem to have cost the Dems anything. The definition of comedy is that it is true and does it make your audience laugh.

As far as accusing me of “turning on us like” AS or DB, don’t worry. As far as I’m concerned, the only ones who have “turned on us” are people like Ann Coulter and yourself who defend the right to make fun of anything or anyone, regardless of the approriateness of the forum or who you offend.

DFWShook on March 5, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Are you and the hord of gay Republicans going to lead a purge? And yes, I am making fun of you. Your self-righteous attitude about this incident is hilarious.

Seems to me you are proving her point, in that if you dare to utter a PC word, you are destined to rehab

My 2 cents