The problem with Ann
posted at 8:03 pm on March 3, 2007 by Bryan
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Check this out: Ann Coulter is raising campaign cash for John Edwards!
Dear Friend,
Did you hear about Anne Coulter’s speech this afternoon attacking John? A friend just forwarded me the video and it’s one of the worst moments in American politics I’ve seen.
I can’t bring myself to even repeat her comments. Her shameless display of bigotry is so outrageous you actually have to see for yourself to believe it.
This is just a taste of the filth that the right-wing machine is gearing up to throw at us. And now that it’s begun, we have a choice: Do we sit back, or do we fight back?
I say we fight. Help us raise $100,000 in “Coulter Cash” this week to show every would-be Republican mouthpiece that their bigoted attacks will not intimidate this campaign. I just threw in 100 bucks. Will you join me? Just click here.
Coulter’s attack was no accident. It happened on national television at one of the year’s biggest conservative conferences. Dick Cheney and most of the Republican candidates were in the audience. She was even introduced by Mitt Romney.
John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power. Since they have nothing real to use against him, Coulter’s resorting to the classic right-wing strategy of riling up hate to smear a progressive champion. And the Republican attack dogs will keep playing this despicable trick as long as they think it works.
But this time, you and I can change the game.
If we can raise $100,000 in “Coulter Cash” this week, we can show that bigotry will only backfire on those who use it. John is not the first progressive leader to face this kind of slime, but together, we can make sure he is one of the last.
Tonight, I’ve put in 100 bucks of “Coulter Cash” to get us started. Can you match me, or chip in whatever you can afford? Just click here:
http://johnedwards.com/r/6665/839078
Thanks,
David Bonior
Campaign Manager
John Edwards for President
There’s a great deal of political silliness and wishful thinking in that letter–it is a political money pitch for a third-place candidate, after all–but at its core it contains a message that’s likely to resonate. That message is, Republicans are just hateful, horrible people and you need to stop them (by giving us your money, now for the campaign, and in the future through taxes). True, Democrats always say that. But Miss Ann gave them a shred of evidence upon which to convict us all.
And, what’s the big headline coming out of CPAC? Is it that Josh Sparling won a much-deserved award? Is it that conservatives remain committed to the war for freedom against terrorism? Is it that this post-blowout CPAC was the largest CPAC ever? Was it that I got to be on a teevee show?
No. The headline coming out of CPAC is that Ann Coulter said an awful thing. Which is what she wants, since it’ll keep her profile up and help her sell books. She doesn’t care that conservative heroes and leaders and thousands of other less known conservatives who were present will end up getting tarnished by her remarks. She doesn’t care that she’s putting the CPAC organizers in a bind, since she’s their biggest draw but also their biggest liability. She probably doesn’t care that she’s John Edwards’ spokesmodel. She probably likes the attention. It’s all about Ann. And that’s the problem.
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She probably shouldn’t have said it but I’d vote for her any way.
I personally don’t know if Edwards is a faggot and I personally don’t care. He ain’t gonna’ be president no matter what.
One thing most of us might agree upon - the boy is a little light on his feet. Very effiminate - very girly- manish as Arnold would say.
OBX Pete on March 4, 2007 at 1:12 PM
AMEN! I’m tired of the Dems doing what they want when it comes to the 1st and 2nd amendments, abortion and every other anti American theme they can dream up. Grow some (in the venacular of MM!) Balls People or just lay down and die.
serenity on March 4, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Ann should stand her ground. No apologies. This was the gist of her point that in the Church of Librals and the MSM you can’t attack their sacred cows. She made a joke and never attacked The Silk Pony directly. Bill Maher can call GWB a “dolt” and wish Cheney dead but you dont hear a peep.
Doctorted on March 4, 2007 at 1:43 PM
I agree. Comedians/comediennes should be given some license.
honora on March 4, 2007 at 1:52 PM
Michael Richards, too?
Maher wasn’t kidding.
Allahpundit on March 4, 2007 at 1:54 PM
If you don’t think Ann Coulter really called John Edwards a faggot, please rest assured that I’m not really calling you a moron.
Jim Treacher on March 4, 2007 at 1:57 PM
I was leaning towards Mit, I thought he could stand up to the liberals, but after his cave in, it is obvious that he is sick.
He has a RINOVIRUS.
Too bad it looks like Michele may be catching it also.
Mark was here on March 4, 2007 at 1:57 PM
I was being facetious. Meaning Coulter should be taken with as much seriousness as any comic.
honora on March 4, 2007 at 2:00 PM
Yeah, but my point is, comics should be taken seriously when they’re speaking seriously. Maher certainly was. Coulter is a borderline case, but she was speaking at a serious event, delivering a speech with serious themes.
A “nigger” joke at Barack Obama’s expense wouldn’t have flown, however comic the intent. She shouldn’t get to skate on this either.
Allahpundit on March 4, 2007 at 2:04 PM
So does that mean you are retiring the silky pony picture of him since its a very similar joke to the one that Coulter made?
bj1126 on March 4, 2007 at 2:06 PM
No, because it’s not a very similar joke to the one that Coulter made. The silky pony thing isn’t questioning his sexuality, it’s questioning his vanity. If you’ve ever seen the clip of him fixing his hair for minutes on end, you’ll know what I mean.
Allahpundit on March 4, 2007 at 2:09 PM
ChrisIansNana on March 4, 2007 at 2:09 PM
sorry I haven’t got the quote thing figured out yet.
ChrisIansNana on March 4, 2007 at 2:11 PM
There’s a clip of him fixing his hair??!
Please link!
(I don’t have the quote thing figured out either)
Tru2my2 on March 4, 2007 at 2:19 PM
First off, I reject the use of the term “Homophobic”, as if it were something bad.
There are rational reasons not to embrace the homosexual life style, or to want homosexuals left alone with young teenage boys.
To have such notions is not irrational.
To think in terms of the vocabulary of the left, is to be defeated by the left.
Mark was here on March 4, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Do I think this is a tempest in a teapot? Yes. I do. I think that some are making far too much of this in part to LOOK more righteous than the left that never calls their own on what they say.
If they were really all that good they wouldn’t need to say much to Ann publicly but tell her in private what their concerns are. As much as I love Michelle, there is what I see. She could do a lot better in her example and jump off the self-righteous saw horse.
On the other hand do I like the suggestion we read George Washington’s rules on behavior during debate? Yeah. Best suggestion of the bunch.
Noelie on March 4, 2007 at 2:27 PM
I’m also wondering what the (financial) fallout will be for her -
Will she be quietly ‘impeached’ from THHNH?
Will we see her on H&C anytime soon?
Tru2my2 on March 4, 2007 at 2:27 PM
I’ve seen the clip and get the reference but I don’t quite buy that it is just a reference to his vanity. The sexuality portion is quite heavily implied as well.
bj1126 on March 4, 2007 at 2:32 PM
Ha! She’s going to be raking in the dough. The people who were idolizing her before think she’s ten times as heroic now, and the people who hated her guts already subconciously want to see more of her - so they can hate her more. She’s going to be explaining away this comment on every cable news and AM radio show this side of MSNBC and Air America, and then laugh about all of us all the way to her next column. Ann loves having her strong opinions dissected and discussed, and guess what? +300 comments on this idiot thread, when the average Iraq post barely tips more than thirty.
Savage on March 4, 2007 at 2:35 PM
No. The video when she interviewed SH at CAPC, she could keep her kids out of earshot of what she said about McCain or not say it if the kids were in earshot. She wouldn’t have that option with Ann’s remarks, but WHO doesn’t know that there is a very good chance that Ann will say something you might not want your kids to hear?
So it seemed a bit inappropiate to suggest that you were glad you didn’t bring your kids to listen to Ann Coulter.
Sorry for the confusion. I do fail to be completely clear at times.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 2:49 PM
Ya know, this really tears me up. I really can’t believe she used a word like that. I mean, she’s said some pretty harsh stuff, but never with language like that.
From one conservative to another (me to her) I’m disapointed.
That being said,
The left can suck it. I don’t care. I still don’t care. I will continue to not care. If they really cared about “bigotry” they would quit attacking Christians as “fanatical idiots witha delutional God”, and quit race baiting every election turning the minorities against eachother and against the majority.
Screw them and their pseudo out rage. It’s about as real as Hollywood’s interest in the environment.
One Angry Christian on March 4, 2007 at 3:03 PM
IMHO, that is because this difference in opinion about how best to get this country back to conservative ideologies is the discussion to have among ourselves. We all mostly agree on Iraq, and are completely disgusted by the traitorous actions of the dems. Well this battle over the vote of the moderate american is going to decided by how the conservatives deal with the issue of PC so we can make null and void the PC accusations the liberals are using to commit their traitorous acts with the tacit acceptance of american moderates.
Many of us believe that stamping out the black souless heart of the liberal PC movement is the way to go and the best way to do that is with every political weapon we have at our disposal.
Others here belive we should take the moral high ground to win the hearts and minds of the moderate american.
I believe there is a role for both. The Ann’s of the world can’t hold the moderate center when we have it, and the deriders of Ann cannot defeat PCness enough to win us the center so we can then hold it to conservative values.
Ann will win the center and MM will hold the center. We all just need to get together and work within our various roles.
The moderate conservative will re-phrase Ann’s idea’s and not throw her under the bus and the Ann’s will not call the moderates “Holier than Thou” conservatives.
With all due respect, I don’t think it is wise for you to call this topic idiotic when you don’t grasp what is at stake. IF we held the center, the Iraq war would be over and the war on terror would be seriously hampered. The dangers that we face as a country will not end until the terrorists achieve their goals of world domination and the importance of conservatives holding the center is paramount to defeating them and protecting this country.
Look, we are either going to win the center through political brutality or when the liberals give this country over to the terrorists the liberals will run to the center and demand military brutality to defeat them. Liberalism and PC will never win any war that is good for american conservative values.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 3:11 PM
I totally agree with you. I think the use of the word homophobic to describe someone like me (and you) who has moral/rational objections to homosexuality is dishonest. By using that term in this context, I simply meant that is what they would call us, and I do indeed resent being called by that term. I should have made that more clear in my original post, but it was late at night and I was all tuckered out from CPAC, so what can I say.
-Hope
tikvah on March 4, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Wow! Pages and pages of posts for one stupid, albeit offensive, comment. I agree with a lot of what’s been said.
The term “faggot” is offensive to most, just as the n-word, or the c-word. But, I never can stand when people claim injury or duress due to words. Remember the ol’ “Sticks and stones…”?
I’m most interested in Howie and his cronies calling for the condemnation of Coulter’s poor joke. Sure, let me just find the Donk statements condemning Edwards’ bloggers…hmmm, where’d I put ‘em…
(Oh, and they can make fun of Coulter’s adam’s apple all day long. I’d take her over those butt-ugly bloggers any day. Those gals shoulda got the AP to touch-up their photos–Geez!)
RedCrow on March 4, 2007 at 3:20 PM
cdsteven-
One last post cause this could be the dumbest “controversy” since the great you got peanut butter on my chocolate/no you got your chocolate in my peanut butter kerfuffle.
My point was this whole thing is ridiculous. Ann Coulter is shtick. Her shtick is to be outrageous. This is news to exactly nobody. In fact, she can be counted on to say something totally outrageous. Ergo, anybody who was shocked she did so is being disingenuous or just arrived from Mars. Welcome to all you Martians.
If CPAC is surprised, then they are Martians or at the very least they are so out of touch they should be drummed out of politics. Any kids who were at CPAC and heard the word faggot for the first time would probably be more entertained at Chuckie Cheese because they are under the age of 5. Kids call each other faggot everyday on the school yard which was exactly Ann’s point about the chucklehead liberals who run to rehab for using a school yard taunt and then having their jobs waiting for them at their top rated sitcom, cause ya know, it makes a lot of money. Yes, yes, I know. It was on CSPAN! Both viewers were appalled.
I didn’t lose any respect for Michelle when she said the Dems in Congress have no balls on O’Reily nor when she called John McCain, John Screw You McCain. Nor did I lose any respect for Coulter when she did what she always does. And I am so unsurprised that politics gets nasty, on both sides and everywhere in between, that it won’t spoil a minute of my sleep tonight.
I’m no big fan of Ann Coulter, although she gets big ups from me for being a Deadhead, but judging by the number of posts on this and other “whack Ann Coulter” threads she has done a great job of energizing Republicans. I’m pretty sure CPAC is smiling behind their hands.
JackStraw on March 4, 2007 at 3:28 PM
I’m amazed! I’m offline for a couple of days and when I come back you people are still going on about Ann’s “faggot” comment. This is the non-issue that just won’t go away. I have changed one position though, I now wish that she hadn’t said it too. Not because I think it was bad, because truth and accuracy are never bad. I wish she hadn’t said it because it is becoming a distraction from the far more important mission of not having a President Clinton (gag!)in ‘08. Instead of turning on the woman we should be praising her. I think it’s a sad commentary on the state of the political Right that we have to go to a rather dainty woman to find a Republican with more balls than the average SEAL team.
dostrick on March 4, 2007 at 3:33 PM
Even if energizing conservatives was all she accomplished, it’s a good thing. I think there were other goals also, but I’ve beat that drum pretty good.
Later.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 3:36 PM
I will post no more Coulter “faggot” thread, forever.
georgej on March 4, 2007 at 3:41 PM
So after this thread we have learned that “grass roots” Republicans spend $4.00 for a cup of coffee.
Mark was here on March 4, 2007 at 4:00 PM
I’m curious Allahpundit and Bryan, do you think Coulter needs to go to
the re-education camprehab over this?Maxx on March 4, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Look, Ann shouldn’t have said what she said, but isn’t that true most times she opens her mouth? Isn’t that what she’s about, whether to get herself attention or not?
Esthier on March 4, 2007 at 4:06 PM
The problem with Ann Coulter is that there is no problem with Ann Coulter!
NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on March 4, 2007 at 4:10 PM
Does anyone remember during the Presidential debates in 2004 how both Edwards and Kerry slyly brought up the fact that Dick Cheneny’s daughter was a lesbian? That was as low and despicable as anything I’ve ever seen in politics. I have never heard any Republican… including Ann Coulter… say anything that would even approach that level of pure debauchery for political gain. Kerry and Edwards attempted to malign Cheneny because a member of his family was gay, you cannot go lower than that ! Where were all the denouncement from Howard Dean back then…. oh I forgot… he was too busy telling his democratic supporters how he hates Republicans and all that they stand for. The hypocrisy of this issue is overwhelming from both the Democrats and the self-righteous republican RINOs trying to cry down Coulter.
But back in 2004, Republicans more or less smiled and took it in stride, saying, oh well you got to expect that from the left.
And all this silliness about how Ann Coulter’s remarks are now raising funds for the Edwards campaign. If its true, I think that’s GREAT !!!!!!! Firstly I don’t believe Edwards could get the nomination if he owned the Federal Reserve and all of its contents, even though I wish he would win the nomination because he is so easily defeatable being the ambulance chasing shyster that he is. Secondly…. I think its GREAT that the hardcore left is wasting whatever cash they throw at the Edwards campaign because that’s less cash they have to send to any candidate that might be electable.
Great Job Annie… keep up the good work and don’t pay any attention to the RINOs. Ultimately they want to cast you down because you are so very effective at what you do and the left is scared witless of you. Can’t wait to see you at CPAC again next year, and of course you will be there !!
Some of Ann Coulter’s best selling books so far have been titled: Slander… Treason and Godless, I’m thinking the next one might be Hypocrisy (from both the left and RINO right).
Maxx on March 4, 2007 at 4:23 PM
And this, I think is the crux. Yes, I do enjoy reading Bryan’s work-a-day attempts to publicize the moonbat hypocrisy (can we still say ‘moonbat’?) and MM’s BDS alerts. But would I miss it if they couldn’t in good conscience do it because we don’t have the moral high ground? No. I take the moonbat hypocrisy for granted. I don’t read the NYT or the WaPo. I don’t use them as sources AND whine about their bias as MM does.
So what IS their job or what should be their job? As I see it, they should use their talents and resources to tell the stories that the MSM won’t tell. The real dangerous members of the looney left are those who are elected to office. There are a great many people out there who do not yet grasp this notion. This is how liberal myths and theology like The Internment and Evolution and McCarthyism are born and sustained generation after generation. So with HotAir and FNC we should inform these people through the use of the popular media.
netherman79 on March 4, 2007 at 4:26 PM
tikvah,
I replied to your message.
John from WuzzaDem on March 4, 2007 at 4:28 PM
once again Ann demonstrates her total understanding of the body politic. Rehab? apparently not enough for My fellow “conservative” bloggers/pundits. Perhaps the right wing blogosphere could provide a hooded monk to walk before her with a lantern crying “unclean, unclean” ? Seems the majority on the right would rather condemn her to a “leper colony”. Her “thumb in the eye” was right on target, but the “finger on the pulse” should have been more concerned with the response of her “friends and cohorts” then the anticipated ( and overwhelmingly received) feigned indignation and hue and cry from the ever offended left.
colorfulbeachpersona on March 4, 2007 at 4:33 PM
This thread is like so gay.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 4, 2007 at 4:46 PM
They must! Why else would they dare to disagree with her?
Jim Treacher on March 4, 2007 at 5:13 PM
Nonsense.
What gets me is why this aside gets your knickers all in a bunch. Whatever legs this story has is generated more by the ninnying of the bloggers on the right.
Give it a rest. No one cares. Work off your righteousness in church.
thegreatbeast on March 4, 2007 at 5:21 PM
I’d say that pretty much sums it up. I don’t feel the need to defend Ann, but I’m also never surprised by whatever ridiculously offensive thing that comes out of her mouth. She’s all about promoting the Ann Coulter Brand, regardless of whether the attention she receives is positive or negative.
In truth, I sometimes find her amusing. Most of the time, however, I ignore her.
violet on March 4, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Love Ann…most of the time; she cracks me up, but this time, she went too far.
What was she doing talking about the Dem candidates at CPAC anyway?
The crowd didn’t like it, it’s pretty plain.
Why’d she call him a “faggot” when “ambulance chaser” would have been better?
She could apologize, but then no-one would believe her or think she meant it.
I think our Conservative (GOP) patience with the Dems is frazzled and we are pretty frustrated.
The Dems and their enablers in the media, Hollywood and the universities can and do say anything awful about us, but let just one of “ours” (and Coulter is not a politician) make a teeny little remark about one of theirs and it’s “off with her head!”
Maher, DeVito, Colbert, Ward Churchill, Murtha, Noam Chomsky, Gore Vidal, Clinton, Schumer, Kerry, Sean Penn, Jane Fonda, Barbra Streisand, etc. etc. etc.–where does this list end of the disgusting parade of BDS morons we’ve had to listen to? “Bush is Hitler. Our troops are stupid. Bush lied us into war.
America is finished.”
Ann needs to rise above it, though, and not return garbage for garbage by stooping to their level, because we’re the smarter party with the best values and ideas and we are right.
Jen the Neocon on March 4, 2007 at 5:55 PM
lol, KP just used the Bill Maher is just a comedian argument on FOX NEWS.
EnochCain on March 4, 2007 at 5:56 PM
jeglinas on March 4, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Since John “Silky Pony” Edwards has no chance to win the Demo. nomination, Coulter’s comments can only hurt the conservative cause, since it is ammunition in the hands of liberals who will be trying to shift undecided/middle ground voters away from Republicans in the next election.
There’s no point in complaining about liberals filthy comments about conservatives as justification for her actions because (as any good conservative should know), to wrongs, do not make a right.
Personally, I think Coulter can be hilarious, but if she wants to be a stand-up comic she should change her current method for making a living.
doufree on March 4, 2007 at 6:06 PM
whoops “two” wrongs…
Color me ashamed!
doufree on March 4, 2007 at 6:07 PM
Ann Coulter said something mean!!!!
Waaaahhhhhhhh, Waaaahhhhhhh!!!
JackM on March 4, 2007 at 6:08 PM
Ann Coulter always has a well-thought, unconventional argument which she makes in a concise and devastating way. And then she takes it one more step for the laugh line and the body of her argument is forgotten while the punch line rules the day.
She would be a more effective champion for conservative issues if she just dialed it back a notch. However, even though I criticize Annie, it doesn’t mean I don’t want to do her.
Tantor on March 4, 2007 at 6:28 PM
The undecided idiot masses have already been convinced that the Republican Party is the homosexual party. If they heard nothing else during the last election season, they heard all about Foley and how much the Republicans want to reward illegal aliens with amnesty. Ann’s comments would only confuse the general public, they might incur some cognitive dissonance.
I don’t think the Democrat Media will try to muck up all of that public conditioning that has already put the Democrats in power. Even Bonoir didn’t want to upset the perception in his letter.
Perchant on March 4, 2007 at 6:49 PM
I don’t get the “give them more ammo” meme.
We’re talking about an ideology that’s more than willing to make stuff up whenever it suits their fancy to smear the other side. We give them ammo just by existing. Her comment didn’t change that.
And could someone please show me where the left had more respect for Conservatives before Ann Coulter made her remark?
Cuz I ain’t seeing it.
Vinnie on March 4, 2007 at 7:13 PM
I take it that you didn’t notice the three Republican presidential candidates quoted therin, about Ann. It helps to actually read the piece and not just the URL.
Yes, it does.
Anybody here ever heard of managing the news cycle? This weekend’s is about how the Republicans hate teh gays. Because Ann likes the publicity.
Pablo on March 4, 2007 at 7:24 PM
After reading this thread, I can see our PC schools are working wonders.
ScottyDog on March 4, 2007 at 7:47 PM
When the left tries to “out” prominent republicans as a means of shaming them out of office, it’s not hate. But when Ann takes the first step in “outing” Edwards it IS hate. Weird.
bambam on March 4, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Stop making sense, Vinnie.
The Ugly American on March 4, 2007 at 8:27 PM
I know. This priggishly PC reaction by Michelle, Bryan, and Ian to Ann Coulter’s on target comments about the Left’s homophobia shows many conservatives still don’t have the willpower to fight the Left.
Thank God Ann Coulter still does. For those of you still clueless, she was making fun of the Left’s homophobia, which was all too evident before the 2006 election. She was not calling John Edwards a “faggot.” She was stating that if she were the typical homophobic Democrat, she would describe Silky Pony’s character by calling him a “faggot” and then check into rehab.
Does anyone still not get her dig at the Left?
No. Right now it seems to be about you and Michelle and your indignation. I was CPAC yesterday. There were so many great topics with terrific panelists. The U.N. panel discussion was terrific. There was a great discussion about whether we are safer now than before 9/11. Joel Mowbray gave an awesome discussion on the State Department. Newt Gingrich’s speech was fantastic.
Yet the only thing you have discussed on Hot Air is your PC reactions to Ann Coulter point.
januarius on March 4, 2007 at 9:10 PM
So all this time, I’ve been wrong in thinking those “Silky Pony” posts were questioning Edwards’ manhood?
I’m so cornfused.
The Ugly American on March 4, 2007 at 9:22 PM
#345 comment # 345
I couldn’t read all of the comments, but my beef is WHY do we give this story legs?
Why give the left what they want and need? This is so petty compared to what the Dems get away with. Why legitimize it for them????? DAMN!
3 articles on Ann, about sticks and cigs, I am disappointed.
I was quite looking forward to Michelle’s and Bryan’s reports, while you were still exited and all, about the CPAC event.
Took the wind right out of my sails. Not Ann, HA did.
shooter on March 4, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Yep, if there’s one word I think of when I think of Michelle Malkin, it’s “PC.”
Jim Treacher on March 4, 2007 at 9:22 PM
You are wrong. Flat wrong.
Zorro on March 4, 2007 at 9:25 PM
No buddy you are wrong!
EnochCain on March 4, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Then we can disagree on this issue.
Zorro on March 4, 2007 at 9:32 PM
What was the issue again?
EnochCain on March 4, 2007 at 9:33 PM
Great! Early day tomorrow. Good night all…
Zorro on March 4, 2007 at 9:35 PM
OK Now i am Pi$$ed!
Michelle Gets Bleeped On O’Reilly For saying “Balls”.
Laura Ingraham Constantly uses the term “Butt Monkey” on her show.
Ann Uses the Slur “Faggot” and shes the bad guy?
What the @@$#$#%@$ is going on? Do We have the first amendment or not? I realize there are consequences to speech. But CRIMMINY! We are crying in our Cheerios about a flippin word!
…AND letting the other side DEFINE US with it!
How many left wing comedians are on stage this very weekend using this very “slur” to make people laugh? and saying WORSE things?
Please, Please let the sweet sweet apocalypse come and wash this all away already…
Ok I feel better
-Wasteland Man.
P.S. we are WAY too concerned with what Others think and say about us rather than doing whats RIGHT!
P.P.S. Boy it felt good to be able to use my freedom of speech and type “Faggot” even if it did have to be in quotes so as not to be banned.
P.P.P.S. This comment has been edited to protect the handwringing left from any hysteria that would be caused by my use of foul language. (/Sarc off)
P.P.P… (oh you get the picture) The Conservatives in this country need to stop acting like giant weeping female anatomy, (Gads, I hope this doesn’t get me banned…)
WastelandMan on March 4, 2007 at 9:35 PM
Since when is decency priggish or weak? All of you who’ve voiced that belief in this thread weaken the conservative movement with your cavalier, even belligerent support of Ann’s crude, useless remark. It dismays me that 300+ comments later you’re still debating the point.
While a majority of Ann apologists would instantly point out the MSM’s double standard - letting Marcotte’s spew go unreported, etc. - you totally destroy your integrity and concede the strong high ground when you jump in the slough with the rest of slime. What’s crazy is to argue that such a move is somehow “strong”. It’s not strong, it’s self-destructive! Get some character and quit excusing Ann’s lack of self-control.
Bryan, Michelle - you’re exactly right about this!
The Ritz on March 4, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Another libtard sympathizer!
Off to the Michelle Malkin
Brainwishing CampReeducation Institute for Defeatocrat Enabling Hand-Wringing Pearl Clutchers® with you!John from WuzzaDem on March 4, 2007 at 10:04 PM
The Ritz-
You still don’t get it. Ann Coulter was not calling Silky Pony a “fag,” a “queer,” a “homo,” etc.
She was making fun of the Left! She has never been homophobic in any of her books, yet she has always made fun of the Left’s homophobia.
Ann Coulter stated that she would describe John Edward as a “faggot” but that she would have to check herself into rehab. This quip was a dig at the Left. Strangely many people have turned so PC that cannot logically figure out the very obvious reference to the Left’s intolerance and homophobia.
No. They are exactly wrong. They complain that Ann was self-centered and marred the CPAC conference. Yet they are the ones being self-centered by wallowing in pitiful indignation over her comments that they have misconstrued. As a stated before, I went to CPAC yesterday. There were so many awesome panels and topics that they could have used for Hot Air discussion.
The only discussion that Bryan put up was this one on his reaction to Ann’s comments. It is not about CPAC. It is all about his and Michelle’s indignation at Ann Coulter at CPAC.
januarius on March 4, 2007 at 10:08 PM
And another thing. Take a look what Michelle Malkin is stating on her blog:
She is already trying to preemptively ban Ann Coulter from next year’s CPAC. Michelle Malkin and Bryan are always so sane and perceptive. I don’t know what they drank in the water at the Omni Shoreham, but they are as PC as it comes on this topic.
First, Michelle and Bryan completely misconstrue Ann Coulter’s comment as if it were a dig at gays, instead of what it was: a dig at homophobic liberals.
Then Michelle attempts to ban and censor Ann Coulter from appearing at CPAC again by using her power and prestige in her extremely popular blog. Then she, again like a liberal, appeals to the children! the children!
What will the children think of Ann Coulter’s term “faggot?” There was not one single child at the conference on Saturday. There were hordes of 20-year-olds, but I hardly think they were offended.
Finally, Bryan does not post any topics on Hot Air about the many fascinating panels that they had at CPAC. He only publicizes his indignation at Ann Coulter’s comments.
januarius on March 4, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Here it is.
forged rite on March 4, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Yes, the self flagellation is getting nauseating.
Sammy316 on March 4, 2007 at 10:37 PM
After looking at forged rite’s link to John Edward’s fixing his hair, can Michelle, Bryan, and Ian honestly not crack a smile over Ann Coulter’s comment, especially considering it was a dig at the Left, not at gays?
Go look at forged rite’s link again.
januarius on March 4, 2007 at 10:44 PM
The refusal of the conservatives here to allow Ann to define what she was saying is a sad state of affairs. This is the absolute perfect example of conservatives caving to PC pressure.
ANN DECIDES WHAT SHE MEANT, NO ONE ELSE. THE CONSERVATIVES HERE WHO THINK THEY GET TO FORCE HER WORDS TO FIT THEIR DEFINITIONS ARE CARRYING THE PC WATER FOR THE LIBERALS.
Anns words were DOING something, not saying something.
300+ posts and those new to the discussion (who wont READ what has been written already) are re-hashing points that have been exposed for PC thinking since the first 20 or so comments. Don’t be surprised that no one will respond to you except those who support you. But, you see, they don’t get it either.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 10:46 PM
Oh, so you mean Malkin isn’t PC? How about that. You might wanna tell these guys.
Jim Treacher on March 4, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Perhaps it would have been more accurate to call him a girly man?
unamused on March 4, 2007 at 11:25 PM
I just went thru EVERY post on this thread and at times I felt like I was at one of my polish family reunions :)
ekuspa40 on March 4, 2007 at 11:26 PM
Or even a “fly fart”, from yesterday, or the day before?
I took the day off to be with my son, but I just had to look, and yes, you are all still at it.
Thanks, for not letting me down.
I just wanted to add another comment to see if we can beat the record for talking about the same thing, over, and over, and over again.
In the end, we all win.
It’s OK to say faggot again.
And John Edwards, IS “Silky Pony”!
PinkyBigglesworth on March 4, 2007 at 11:43 PM
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 10:46 PM
Sadly I don’t think they’ll ever figure it out, no matter how much Ann or those who get it explain it.
Gianni on March 4, 2007 at 11:45 PM
That might be because I was too busy shooting video to entertain all of you throughout this coming week and had no time to attend any panels except the one I was on. And I haven’t written about that one either. Betcha didn’t think of that. I only caught a bare handful of speeches, of which Coulter’s happened to be one. And it was a sharp, witty speech with an appalling ending.
For what it’s worth, I caught Rudy Giuliani’s speech, which was brilliant, and I caught part of Mitt Romney, who started off a little weak but got the wind behind him in the second half and turned out a very fine performance. I caught part of Hannity and he was everything you’d expect him to be, and met him when Michelle interviewed him. Yeah, this RINO shot and edited that interview, just like I’ve produced all 200 some odd other shows we have aired since our launch, shows in which we’ve exposed corrupt Democrats, taken on Jack Murtha, battled the dhimmis at YouTube, declared Google “evil” for censoring itself in China and went to Baghdad to see the war for myself and report back to you what I saw and learned. But I’m a PC RINO now because I don’t like the word “faggot.” Do you people ever actually listen to yourselves?
It’s intriguing to me that after a year of going toe to toe with the nutroots on this site and putting in long hours to produce five shows a week during that time, and having written in support of the conservative cause on my old blog, on this blog and on NRO for a total of five years, that one criticism of one conservative’s one stupid and selfish remark now makes me a RINO. How wonderful. Well, if being a conservative means that I have to accept everything conservative pundits say even when what they say offends me, then I guess I’m not a conservative.
Fortunately, we don’t have to turn our brains and our moral filters off and be unthinking robots to be conservatives. We can disagree and still be conservatives. If you people can’t see that, that’s really your problem and not mine. I won’t do you the same dishonor you’ve done me, and declare you to be a RINO.
This post represents the last thing I have to say on this subject. I have nothing else to add to what I’ve written, as it’s obvious that the discussion here has descended into something that looks an awful lot like an ideological purity test. We must all agree 100% with everything Ann Coulter says or we’re not real conservatives, a standard that doesn’t apply to any other pundit or even the president himself. Well, I hope no one is offended if I say that I think that’s stupid. Actually, I take that back. If you are offended, good, because this knee-jerk support for Coulter is stupid, both morally and politically. She’s playing you who are defending her every bit as much as she’s playing the media and the left.
Bryan on March 4, 2007 at 11:45 PM
and that’s all that needs to be said.
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 11:53 PM
Your decrying a political ideology test by putting out an ideology test of your own? Are you listening to what you are saying? Many people have claimed that if you don’t condemn Ann for what she said you are a moron, stupid, not a conservative, etc., including you in this post, yet you’re complaining about people defending her? At least we listened to what she actually said and didn’t go off on a tirade focused on one word.
Gianni on March 5, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Gianni, where did I say that you’re not a conservative if you don’t condemn Ann Coulter? Where? Quote me.
I have explained at length why she deserves criticism, but I’ve never said that if you don’t condemn her you’re not a conservative. I’ve been defending myself from people who are now writing me off because I disliked her little joke. But I haven’t said that those people aren’t conservatives. I’ve said that we can disagree and still all be conservatives. Don’t put words in my mouth that I never said. That’s dishonest.
Bryan on March 5, 2007 at 12:11 AM
How does Ann Coulter feel tonight? Like she wants to throw up. If her own doesn’t excommunicate her, they sure as hell put her to the back of the class. Michelle dropped the hammer on her. Sean Hannity has got to bail. It would be a tempest in a teapot with them and others if it was the first time. But conservatives are now seriously sick of defending Ann Coulter.
It was just a joke. But one cannot keep defending the joker at ones own expense. Conservatives are sick now of running around to make excuses for Princess Ann.
laelaps on March 5, 2007 at 12:14 AM
You forgot to bold part, let me fix that for you.
Gianni on March 5, 2007 at 12:35 AM
Well, supporting her on this is stupid, morally and politically. I stand by that. At least my criticisms are written clearly enough to be comprehensible.
Bryan on March 5, 2007 at 12:39 AM
And before you say you didn’t call us stupid, what is the difference between saying what we are doing is stupid and saying we are stupid?
Gianni on March 5, 2007 at 12:39 AM
Smart people can do stupid things. Ann Coulter herself is proof of that.
Bryan on March 5, 2007 at 12:40 AM
And I say that going on a tirade because of a single word instead of paying attention to the whole message is stupid. This is the same scenario as when Glenn Beck said the word on his show to make the same point she was trying to make. Anyway, that’s enough of this discussion, no ones listening to anyone anymore anyway.
Gianni on March 5, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Yeah, well, fascinating as this all is, it’s about to be cut short.
Incoming!
Stephen M on March 5, 2007 at 12:45 AM
Also, GRRRRRRRR!!!
Jim Treacher on March 5, 2007 at 12:46 AM
I knew what he meant the second I read it. You’re just being defensive now. You misunderstood for whatever reason, and making excuses for your error is disengenouous.
As far as comprehensible goes, I believe you have completely missed the point and have made that position very clear. So yes, you have done a stellar job in that respect.
csdeven on March 5, 2007 at 12:52 AM
Bryan - seriously - your points are well-articulated and anyone who still argues against you is just bloviating. I’m utterly surprised this thread is still going. I understand your point (even if I have a slight disagreement with you). This is a subject on which many of us will have to agree to disagree. Actually, this kind of discourse is what I love about Hot Air! So unlike other blogs. But really, this subject has had its run. Over 300 comments! Come on folks - let’s put it to bed and move on.
thedecider on March 5, 2007 at 12:56 AM
Well, maybe I am being a little bit defensive for getting slammed by the left and the right, for entirely different reasons, over the past couple of days. From the left, it’s the usual nonsense–I exist, I work with Michelle, etc. From the right, I’m a RINO because I found Ann Coulter’s act objectionable. Frankly I’m tired of both sides right now. Neither has an argument worth taking on, but I’ve at least tried to give people on the right the benefit of the doubt while explaining over and over why Coulter’s remark is a problem. That’s a courtesy that people like you, csdeven, haven’t returned.
Bryan on March 5, 2007 at 1:03 AM
Anyone who thinks you’re a RINO has never read a single word you’ve written. You are clearly a conservative of the Reaganesque order. I agree with 99.4 % of what you contribute to this blog. You are, again, well-articulated and your posts are well-researched. You know, people here simply aren’t going to agree with you 100% no matter what. That’s okay. The Republican party is big enough to take in moderates, conservatives, Log Cabin Republicans, neo-conservatives, and moderate Democrats. That’s what makes us so much better than any other political party going.
thedecider on March 5, 2007 at 1:13 AM
I believe I have tried by not being a burden on the site. Sometimes just not being a trouble maker is all a person can do to contribute. I respect your efforts on our behalf, and rarely voice my disagreement with some of your positions. But that is out of a fear of not being politically correct. (Don’t rag the boss, ya know) I couldn’t very well be fearful of that when I am taking a position that we need to reject it at every turn. Especially within our own ranks. We cannot get used to using it as a tool against the left or each other because it is decidedly anti-conservative.
I have been half-expecting the people I respect (you et al) to make specific comments on my belief’s for why Anns tactics are important. I haven’t seen one dissenting voice that will address the specifics of my opinion. How courteous is that? I never get responses back from ap for ideas I send him. It’d be nice to know if he’d rather I not do so. I’ve never seen an ounce of appreciation for for defending MM et al from the sexual remarks.
Yet, I don’t call fellow conservatives stupid. (that I can remember anyway)
Don’t take my comments to mean I sit around here waiting for this stuff. I’m way too old for that. I do what I do because I want to and not for praise or recognition. But when a person tries to give to this forum and then is called dis-courteous, well it does kinda sting.
csdeven on March 5, 2007 at 1:23 AM
Well cs, we can thank Ann for all this vitriol that we’re all tossing around at each other. She did this deliberately; it was not an off-the-cuff line. Like Michelle says, she fragged conservatives. Whether you’re personally offended by the remark or not is irrelevant to the fact that her remark will now be hung around the neck of every conservative. Defending her keeps the story alive longer and builds the liberal case against all of us.
This whole thing is a no-brainer. She was wrong to say what she said, for a number of reasons. There are just certain things you don’t say when you’re addressing large crowds of people at events like CPAC. But she said one of those things and she’s catching flack for it now. Let me tone down the words and just say that defending her on this is extremely unwise. You can do it if you want to, but you’re not doing anyone any good and you’re only encouraging her do something even more extremely unwise in the future.
Look, I appreciate Ann’s guts and wit. I just don’t appreciate her tendency to go over the line anymore. I’m fed up with it. She would be a much more effective fighter for our cause if she had a little bit better judgement on how far is too far. But she doesn’t. Enough is enough, both with her and with this comment thread.
Bryan on March 5, 2007 at 1:39 AM
I’ve had guests all weekend and look what I’ve missed!
What to say and at this point what/whom for?
- I disagree with the word Ann used (and I wouldn’t use it) and, being a Libertarian, she and anyone else can say whatever they want and live with the consequences
- Edwards was an almost unknown and now is a known who tries to rake in money over the ’satire’ or ‘joke’ Ann used, while having done nothing about his two pretty blog youngens…who used satire to decimate Christians.
- In Poland this guy is being ‘hunted’ by Interpol for having fart-d in disagreement with his president
- On this blog a mini-war has been going on over one word, a bad word, used as a bad joke, or whatever it was meant to be…Interpol has, however, not been enlisted yet.
- Bryan is definitely not a RINO, works very hard, and if he’s sick of the left and the right, he’s definitely doing his job well.
And, my favorite, from having just skimmed this thread (which is atypical, as I usually read thread carefully)
Heh, I like you a lot JT, and your cynicism/sarcasm/morose wit makes me grin almost every day. But PC is definitely two words :)
Entelechy on March 5, 2007 at 1:51 AM
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