The problem with Ann
posted at 8:03 pm on March 3, 2007 by Bryan
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Dear Friend,
Did you hear about Anne Coulter’s speech this afternoon attacking John? A friend just forwarded me the video and it’s one of the worst moments in American politics I’ve seen.
I can’t bring myself to even repeat her comments. Her shameless display of bigotry is so outrageous you actually have to see for yourself to believe it.
This is just a taste of the filth that the right-wing machine is gearing up to throw at us. And now that it’s begun, we have a choice: Do we sit back, or do we fight back?
I say we fight. Help us raise $100,000 in “Coulter Cash” this week to show every would-be Republican mouthpiece that their bigoted attacks will not intimidate this campaign. I just threw in 100 bucks. Will you join me? Just click here.
Coulter’s attack was no accident. It happened on national television at one of the year’s biggest conservative conferences. Dick Cheney and most of the Republican candidates were in the audience. She was even introduced by Mitt Romney.
John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power. Since they have nothing real to use against him, Coulter’s resorting to the classic right-wing strategy of riling up hate to smear a progressive champion. And the Republican attack dogs will keep playing this despicable trick as long as they think it works.
But this time, you and I can change the game.
If we can raise $100,000 in “Coulter Cash” this week, we can show that bigotry will only backfire on those who use it. John is not the first progressive leader to face this kind of slime, but together, we can make sure he is one of the last.
Tonight, I’ve put in 100 bucks of “Coulter Cash” to get us started. Can you match me, or chip in whatever you can afford? Just click here:
http://johnedwards.com/r/6665/839078
Thanks,
David Bonior
Campaign Manager
John Edwards for President
There’s a great deal of political silliness and wishful thinking in that letter–it is a political money pitch for a third-place candidate, after all–but at its core it contains a message that’s likely to resonate. That message is, Republicans are just hateful, horrible people and you need to stop them (by giving us your money, now for the campaign, and in the future through taxes). True, Democrats always say that. But Miss Ann gave them a shred of evidence upon which to convict us all.
And, what’s the big headline coming out of CPAC? Is it that Josh Sparling won a much-deserved award? Is it that conservatives remain committed to the war for freedom against terrorism? Is it that this post-blowout CPAC was the largest CPAC ever? Was it that I got to be on a teevee show?
No. The headline coming out of CPAC is that Ann Coulter said an awful thing. Which is what she wants, since it’ll keep her profile up and help her sell books. She doesn’t care that conservative heroes and leaders and thousands of other less known conservatives who were present will end up getting tarnished by her remarks. She doesn’t care that she’s putting the CPAC organizers in a bind, since she’s their biggest draw but also their biggest liability. She probably doesn’t care that she’s John Edwards’ spokesmodel. She probably likes the attention. It’s all about Ann. And that’s the problem.
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Folks - the Republican party is so much bigger than this. For all of Chairman Ann’s off-color remarks (and she’s made comments far more incendiary than this) she isn’t going to bring down the party or drive people away from the conservative movement. As for offering the left their talking points, well, they don’t seem to have trouble coming up with them - with or without Ann. I understand many people here are truly offended (other’s are probably engaging in group think) and that’s okay. A moral offense has been taken by some, but issues of morality are (get ready) not owned by the Republican party. The seedy, fringe elements of the Democrat party may be the most vocal - and most visible - but good, christian Democrats also exist. I know some of them personally. Curious, moral issues are only one piece of the Republican agenda. If you want the full list, here’s a good start.
thedecider on March 3, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Look…If Coulter wants to write an obnoxious comment like that in one of her books, I say go right ahead.
But, intentionally or not, the hateful comment had no place at a gathering like CPAC…and she knows it.
JetBoy on March 3, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Are we rationing blog posts on a quota system now? For the record, I wrote two of the Coulter threads but not the third, and I only wrote this one because it proved that Coulter had given the left some useful ammunition against us. I didn’t write the Maher post. I wanted to but Allah beat me to it. That post isn’t a back door to hit Coulter again. Allah hits the right notes in that one–Coulter is occassionally bad but Maher, whom the left does love, is consistently awful and his audience is a collection of rage-fed cretins.
Yes, Maher and his band of haters are bad. We shouldn’t act like them though.
Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Never mind the luminaries, Bryan — it was the grassroots that impressed me. I met a black Republican activist from The Bronx, a College Republican from Berkeley, and a young fellow from North Carolina who might well be the Second Coming of Jesse Helms, except much better-looking.
Trust me: Our grassroots can whup the Left’s grassroots all day long. Once we get fired up, our grassroots will be like the 1973 Crimson Tide, and the “progressive netroots community” will be like … well, like the “progressive netroots community.”
Ali-Bubba on March 3, 2007 at 11:16 PM
it is to some degree. not for any of the conservatives i’ve kept company with, but that’s because my journey on the right has involved a lot of decision and selection.
as for what the applause signified, i read someone describe it as “moderate”. that sounds about right to me, and some people in an audience will respond affirmatively to anything coming from the podium, but i’d be less militantly condemnatory here and greatly relieved if i had heard some loud booing from some of the audience too.
jummy on March 3, 2007 at 11:17 PM
I made my points yesterday.
I’ll say it again: I have no intention of PUBLICLY helping the Democrats in tearing down Coulter, irrespective whether I approve of her language or not.
As MCPO Airdale noted above:
But it is not okay for one of ours to slap back.
And I noted yesterday, our enemies say much worse and taking the “high road” doesn’t win us elections. It is time for you and Ian to observe the 11th Commandment and move on.
georgej on March 3, 2007 at 11:19 PM
I say let her cause lib money to go to a sure loser. Now she needs to insult Nader.
The sillies thing of this is that the old, “I’d call you a (insert whatever here), but that would be insulting to (whatever)s.” Actually was true.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 3, 2007 at 11:20 PM
To all of you who aren’t bothering to think about this for more than 5 seconds and are throwing out the “Rosie/Bill Mahrer/Other idiot leftist called X a Y” argument.
Those people haven’t made their slurs in even remotely the same circumstances as Ann did. I’m not excusing them in any way but they weren’t made in a place and time that suggests an audience of liberal politicians agrees with their statements. Ann was in a room full of conservatives some of whom were politicians. Thus her comment (and the idiots who laughed at it) smeared the entire Republican party as bigots.
Benaiah on March 3, 2007 at 11:20 PM
Well said again, Ali-Bubba. You’re on a roll.
Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 11:21 PM
its fine and nessesary to slap back.
coulter slapped gays. many of whom used to vote republican. many of whom currently serve in iraq, whether social cons think it’s a good idea or not.
jummy on March 3, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Yes. I saw them. I nominated you for the most disturbing post of the thread. It’s okay, though. I don’t think very many people saw my post. It wasn’t up very long before they archived the thread.
CyberCipher on March 3, 2007 at 11:24 PM
Yes, and the beauty of the average College Republican girl is breathtaking. Washington is notoriously known as “Hollywood for ugly people,” but not during CPAC, baby.
Y’all ask Ace about the College Republican girl from Miami of Ohio. But we handed her off to a couple of Fair Tax guys, and they fumbled the ball. Losers.
Ali-Bubba on March 3, 2007 at 11:26 PM
ROLL TIDE ROLL!…um…sorry. :oP
EnochCain on March 3, 2007 at 11:27 PM
All except the “community” part. I’d have other choice words that I’d use to describe that group. Not here though. I don’t want to encourage the Ann Coulter fans.
CyberCipher on March 3, 2007 at 11:29 PM
First, it’s not about “tearing down” Coulter…it’s simply about not endorsing her comment.
Second, by not “publicaly” stating your disapproval of said comment, you’re just as bad as the Dem’s when they won’t do that either.
JetBoy on March 3, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Well, I’ve decided to exit Hotair and MichelleMalkin.com entirely. I’m not even going to watch Fox news when she’s on.
“Jummy, you weren’t at CPAC and you’re obviously an obnoxious tool. Now go away.”
Isn’t this as bad as saying, “Edwards is obviously a faggot?”
Conservatism has lost already. Homosexuality is now accepted by all “right-thinking” people. Would everyone be this upset at someone who eats his own mucous being called a booger-eater? Homosexual behavior has become more pervasive and open in the past 2 decades. Is it going to dry up and go away just because we’re nice to homosexuals? Can one cure cancer by thinking happy thoughts? Are homosexuals rushing to get psychological treatment because they aren’t made to feel bad about their illness? The difference between the open and derisive bigotry against Southerners and against homosexuality, is that there’s nothing wrong with being Southern, but there is something wrong with being a sexual deviant.
Suppose Ann had said, “…you can’t say redneck without going into rehab”. Would there have been the same outrage? No, the outrage would have been about her suggesting you need rehab for insulting Southerners.
I’m a 5th generation master mason. I grew up on a construction site. If Edwards had come onto a jobsite applying for a job, my comment would be, “Christ I hope he doesn’t hire that faggot.” Because that’s how MEN talk about effeminate dandies like Edwards. It’s not like she called him “queer”.
The problem with this war is that we’re not willing to hate our enemies. During World War II, we hated the “Japs”, “Nips” and “Tojos”. We hated the “Krauts”, the “Jerries”, and the “Dagos”. We used insulting terms for them because we *wanted* to hurt their feelings, just as we *wanted* to hurt their bodies and their nation. Anybody who gets in a fight and is not out to hurt his opponent any way he can is a sucker who deserves what happens to him.
The current political battle in the U.S. is no longer a struggle between two allied political parties. It is a battle for political control of the nation, akin to the battle that created the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and Red China. Read some history as to how Rome went from Republic to Empire, and you might see some more parallels to the current political struggle in the U.S.
Civility is fine for a court of law, a debate society, or a normal political campaign. But that’s not what we’re fighting now. The war is between the America that was and the socialist cesspit that will be.
You may not be willing to hate the enemy, but they’re more than willing to hate us. One truthful, much maligned comment by Ms Coulter vs thousands of vitriolic hate-filled comments throughout the left and the MSM demonstrate the truth of that.
To borrow a line from Col. Robert Lee Scott: “You’ve got to learn to hate.”
When Allahpundit showed such contempt for Congressman Tancredo, I stopped interacting or even reading much of his blogging. Now you show similar condescension for Ms Coulter.
Exit question (and I do mean “exit”):
Compare what neo-cons are saying about Ms Coulter’s remark (e.g. “I don’t want to stoop to their level.”) and similar remarks leftists make about the Iraqi theatre of the War on Terror (e.g. “We don’t want to stoopto their level”). Compare how the left wants to “use diplomacy” and get “international consensus” on issues surrounding the war, and how the neo-cons here and elsewhere want to be civil to the left, and keep (our side) of the debate “clean”. Compare how the left reacted to Gitmo and Abhu Graib, and how you neo-cons are reacting to Ms Coulter’s remark. The question is, how can you, on the one hand, not stoop to the enemy’s level, and on the other hand, rush to stoop to the enemy’s level?
Bye bye
Hiraghm on March 3, 2007 at 11:33 PM
Like the Crimson Tide, Bryan. I’m feeling exactly like you: ENERGIZED. I got about seven hours sleep in two days, I slept on somebody’s hotel-room floor Friday night, and I’m still too torqued to go to sleep.
Absolutely the best thing? All the proud black Republicans. Every black Republican I talked to was confident that the GOP may be approaching the final breakthrough, and if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination by trashing Obama, November 2008 is going to be a joyful day in the morning.
Ali-Bubba on March 3, 2007 at 11:34 PM
This is absurd on its face. Why are you aligning yourself with a ideology based in bigotry? Or are you saying that conservatism isn’t based in bigotry but certain nominal conservatives are bigots? Am I a bigot? Is it not the duty of any honest and moral ideological faction to purge itself of elements that run counter to its core principles? What exactly is your metric for the proper level of boos to indicate acceptable ideological purity?
Bryan didn’t boo. Neither did Michelle. Are they bigots?
spmat on March 3, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Only when the don’t get what she says. These “serious” conservatives you mention sound like PC liberals. They’re using the same talking points. Reminds me of the dems bashing the effort in Iraq, they sound like terrorists mouth pieces.
csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Bye bye
Hiraghm
Good riddance.
Benaiah on March 3, 2007 at 11:39 PM
I’d like to hereby nominate Hiraghm for the most disturbing comment of the thread. Too bad he won’t be around to receive all the recognition and accolades that come with winning such a prestigious and coveted award.
CyberCipher on March 3, 2007 at 11:42 PM
Good riddance.
Ditto. And don’t the the screen door hit your @$$ on the way out …
Ali-Bubba on March 3, 2007 at 11:43 PM
I’ll second the nomination…
JetBoy on March 3, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Giuliani, Romney, and McCain all caved in immediately. Now we clearly see that even Edwards has more gumballs than these guys. Consider that Edwards was directly responsible for hiring Marcotte and McEwan who filled hundreds of blog pages with such lovely phrases as… snakehandling Jesus Camp hatebots… fucktard bible-humping extremists… toothless Southern white supremacist racists… and… Rethuglican Christofascists… etc. etc. etc… that even then this came to light, Edwards still managed to hang-on and not rollover for the Right for at least a few days. But Annie says just one little non-politically-correct word and Giuliani, Romney, and McCain instantly surrender without a fight.
So you see, what Ann said has already turned into a very good thing for the Republicans. She has shown us which Republican candidates are willing to immediately surrender and kowtow to the left. So now I have no doubt, that whoever I eventually vote for in the primaries, it won’t be Giuliani, Romney or McCain. My most sincere thanks to you Annie, I will always love you. Your the best thing to happen to the Republican party and the cause of freedom since Ronald Reagan.
Maxx on March 3, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Nice to leave on a high note. Good thing you left ’cause some points in that comment might have had you banned anyway.
thedecider on March 3, 2007 at 11:45 PM
the latter.
haven’t been paying attention to your position. do you think “faggot” is acceptable?
that’s my trip man and i ain’t getting off.
some. i’m also willing to count astonished silence and groans.
i think they’ve spoken up quite admirably.
jummy on March 3, 2007 at 11:45 PM
Right, and much to Bryan’s credit.
Allahpundit on March 3, 2007 at 11:45 PM
I am sick of this!
Homosexual and lesbian behavior is deviant behavior and a disorder and a perversion. The way it is treated today, we are all hit on the head with a sledge hammer, from childhood and onward through adulthood, in order to indoctrinate us into advocating, condoning, and enabling and cheering homosexual and lesbian behavior as morally equivalent, and even superior, to normal behavior.
Homosexuals call themselves fags and faggots! For crying out loud! Tell THEM to stop calling each other names!
Frankly, I don’t go around using names that people think are offensive regarding homosexuals and lesbians, but Ann is right!
If you are a leftist, liberal, fifth columnist, you can say and do anything that you claim the conservatives do, but usually don’t do, no matter HOW offensive, and you can a free pass.
If you do something offensive and you want people to love you and overlook your offense, you sign yourself into therapy, and into a rehab center.
Once you do that, your sins are washed away, and your soul is white as the driven snow.
Call homosexuals faggots and you have to sign up for rehab.
The difference is, if a conservative does use offensive words, they cannot be forgiven their “sins” by merely attending rehab and therapy. If a leftist, liberal, fifth columnist says something offensive, they either get a free pass from the start, they have people making excuses for them - as they have made excuses for Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin, Cindy Sheehan, Bill Maher, Rosie O’Donnel, and so many others - or the left wing, racist, fifth columnists, liberal “offender” enters rehab and all is forgiven.
Conservatives should just treat this as so much hypocrisy from the left and look down their noses at these immature, lying, disrespectful people of the left.
A simple “That is what Ann said, not me. If you don’t like it, take it up with her. Otherwise, let you leftists who are without sin throw the first stone” should make a point.
Two wrongs might not make a right, but the leftists-liberal-fifth columnists have been, and are the most hate filled, vindictive, venomous, seditious people, the biggest offenders!
William
William2006 on March 3, 2007 at 11:46 PM
ta ta.
jummy on March 3, 2007 at 11:46 PM
It’s true, we didn’t boo. We did walk out immediately after she aired that line though. Does that pass the outrage test?
Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 11:46 PM
Would it be a problem to shun Ann Coulter?
That is another option.
It would also make a point. By shunning those who conservatives find offensive, even of their own group, at least conservatives remain consistent in their values.
William
William2006 on March 3, 2007 at 11:49 PM
When did it become mandatory that a blogger agree 100% with you on every issue in order for you to read his or her posts?
I don’t happen to agree with AP’s dismissal of Tancredo but that’s not going to keep me from reading all of his contributions to this site.
Sheesh.
Benaiah on March 3, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Was there a stern look given in her direction? Can you break your exiting the room down like John Madden?
;)
Benaiah on March 3, 2007 at 11:51 PM
I came to the same conclusion. I don’t see any difference between conservatives slamming Ann and the dems slamming Bush.
Both actions sound disturbingly like the opposition.
But I don’t hold it against them. We need conservatives who don’t engage in vitriol. You need to hold the logical high ground and admit that they have the moral high ground. Together, we will re-define the center of the political spectrum where it makes sense again.
csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Ann calls it like she sees it. The lunatic left and the media will have a field day, just like they did when she took the 9/11 widows to task. She’s the only one with the guts to say things. So what if she dogged JE? Is it just that she used the dreaded “F” word (okay - the other dreaded “f” word) instead of the obviously more acceptable term, “Breck Girl?”
Ann is into shock value, same as Bill Maher. The difference is the incredible amounts of mock and hypocritical outrage which will be heaped upon Ann by the left and the media (oh, the redundancy). I love Ann and her column, and her acerbic wit rocks. She is sharp and quick and dead on. If that sells more books for her, great!
Shame on the Republican candidates who jumped on the bash Ann bandwagon. Where’s the outrage at Bill Maher’s comments wishing Cheney dead and directly calling him a murderer, hmmmmmmm??? If offensive comments truly upset these candidates, how come they haven’t demanded apologies from BM and HBO?
eucher on March 3, 2007 at 11:52 PM
@ William…
I really don’t think I’m being a perverse deviant because I’m gay…And I’ve said, I really wasn’t offended by Coulter’s remarks…but many were. The “faggot” remark was out of line. Period. And for conservatives, of which I’m one, to call her on it is esactly what makes us…as conservatives…better than the liberals who DO ignore when their own say out-of-line remarks.
If a guy loves a guy, or a girl loves a girl, why should that bother anyone else? How does it hurt you?
*******
And Bryan, I certanly wouldn’t expect you guy to “boo” Coulter…but walking out was a noble thing to do.
Did anyone else follow suit?
JetBoy on March 3, 2007 at 11:55 PM
There very well might be some outrage if Maher had been in front of a bunch of Democrat politicians and bloggers who cheered him when he said it.
If Ann had been on some talk show like Larry King or something and said what she said, the left wouldn’t have any ammo over this. It would just be the crazy conservative lady lashing out again.
Benaiah on March 3, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Exactly correct…most of the right especially in the Establishment still see’s the left as some sort of honorable opponents who will play by the rules we have played by forever. It is pitiful to consider just how much we have lost playing by these rules…one only has to look around the country to see the results.
1. Colleges inviting admitted terrorists to speak.
2. Colleges attacking recruiters for the armed services
3. Professors wishing death and destruction on whole swaths of the populace.
4. Politicians wishing for the defeat of the US Armed Services so they can gain power
5. Mainstream media fabricating documents to bring down a War President.
6. Mainstream media personalities wishing wistfully dreaming of the death of a Vice President.
7. CIA in active revolt against the Executive Branch.
8. Judiciary turning the Constitution upside down…
Yea the Right has been doing a bang up job of winning the arguments so far. Right about now the Jihadist threat has gotten worse because we have a Government unable/unwilling to be UN PC and announce that yes indeed we might very well be in a religious war against a sizable portion of Islam. Boyo give me more of those sorts of victories.
You people would faint if you were forced to utter Halsey’s famous words of Inspiration…
Secrecy and Stealth, fighting ghosts with rules and September 11, 2001
PierreLegrand on March 3, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Oh for crying out loud! People are upset because what she said will cause liberals hate conservatives? What does this sound like?
Quoth the Malkin, “Boo Freekin Hoo.”
So she used a mean name. A name that is used agaisn’t those that are conservatives; at a conservative gathering no less.
I think I’ve stepped through the looking glass again.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 3, 2007 at 11:57 PM
What William2006 said.
“Conservatives should just treat this as so much hypocrisy from the left and look down their noses at these immature, lying, disrespectful people of the left.
A simple “That is what Ann said, not me. If you don’t like it, take it up with her. Otherwise, let you leftists who are without sin throw the first stone” should make a point.”
Remember the 11th Commandment.
And stop grovelling for liberals approval.
georgej on March 3, 2007 at 11:57 PM
please don’t hide behind me. if you’re going to hold and express Hiraghm’s opinions. stand over there and do it. i’m not your “popular front”.
jummy on March 3, 2007 at 11:57 PM
are against conservatives that is (social conservatives of course)
MirCat on March 3, 2007 at 11:59 PM
Why?
csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 11:59 PM
is anybody going to confront what jetboy said? or are you going to pretend he didn’t say it?
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:02 AM
And stop grovelling for liberals approval.
georgej
No one is groveling for liberal approval. There are just some of us who want to behave better than the liberals do rather than sinking to their level and that’s what this is really about.
This is an argument between those who think what she said is acceptable because liberals do the same type of thing to conservatives all the time and those that think that no matter what side it’s coming from, it’s wrong.
It’s wrong. Turn the other cheek folks.
Benaiah on March 4, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Next to this one?
SisterToldjah on March 4, 2007 at 12:04 AM
If the contest with the left were simply some sort of cricket match where when it was over we could sit around and have tea discussing each others best shots then I would say do not bend down to their level. But it simply is not that way anymore. The left is not playing cricket…they are playing for keeps and we are not.
PierreLegrand on March 4, 2007 at 12:07 AM
Why, csdeven?
Because some of us “faggots” have bought her books and vote Republican…Vitriolic name-calling, again…intentional or not…against anyone is beneath us as Republicans.
We all agree that Edwards’ former bloggers’ comments were out-of-line, right?
JetBoy on March 4, 2007 at 12:07 AM
I’m finding much of this discussion tiresome. You don’t agree with me on this, fine. That’s your call. That doesn’t make me a RINO or mean that I’m seeking liberals’ or anyone else’s approval. I’m just calling it like I see it, and I would just like for CPAC to be a safe place for families to bring their kids and for people to be able to talk about issues and strategy without seeing our famous conservatives saying or doing idiotic and offensive things. Apparently for some around here, that’s too much to ask.
There is also a little saying, that two wrongs don’t make a right.
And there’s also a little history. The GOP didn’t win in 1994 by being just like the left. Reagan didn’t win by being just like the left. History doesn’t support you folks who seem to think that we need to get into the gutter with the worst operators on the left in order to beat them. We don’t lose for being less profane than the left; we usually lose for being less conservative than we promise we’ll be. If we start acting like the haters on the left that’ll just drag us all down and the rest of the country will rightly think that everyone who has any obvious political passion, regardless which side they happen to be on, is crazy as a loon.
Bryan on March 4, 2007 at 12:07 AM
When did we go to war against the gays? Did I miss a meeting?
Benaiah on March 4, 2007 at 12:08 AM
yes, and the precision guided super-secret weapon you have in mind is…bigoted name-calling which sends huge chunks of the populace running into the enemy’s arms.
you’re a wizard at this political strategy stuff.
you realize that bryan’s wife is japanese, don’t you?
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Great point and I would go one step further. I’d excoriate them for missing the point. Edwards is not gay, so Anns remark was in reference to something else. Perhaps the recent fiasco about the guy who went to rehab for saying faggot? Remember, Ann said she WOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING about edwards. So “faggot” was not directed at him. It was an example of why she wasn’t going to say something about him which would have been worse than “faggot”.
WORDS MEAN THINGS. And everyone blasting Ann seem to be devining what they want her words to mean INSTEAD of actually LISTENING TO HER WORDS.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 12:08 AM
No kidding and good on you for calling them on it. I can think of many bad moments in politics, but hiring a couple of hate-spewing nut jobs to run your blog is simply off the scale.
thedecider on March 4, 2007 at 12:08 AM
I’d like to apologize for the stupidity and bigotry expressed by others in this thread. I hope you don’t let it turn you away from HotAir.
Benaiah on March 4, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Jetboy: “If a guy loves a guy, or a girl loves a girl, why should that bother anyone else? How does it hurt you?”
It doesn’t. And what you do between the sheets is your business. I don’t give damn either way.
I object to the stupidity of obsessing over the remark to the point of excommunicating Coulter when the left is NOT excommunicating Maher, or Dean, or Kos, or Hamsher, or the two bloggers that Edwards hired KNOWNING that they were believer-hating bigots.
I refuse to aid and abet the Democratic Party in eviscerating one of our spokesmen. The success of her commentary is the VOLUME of their painful cries. The louder THEY cry the better for us. It means that she’s doing something right.
If you don’t understand the 11th Commandment, then remember the “Chicago Way.”
And csdeven, I really don’t care who you nominate as the most “disturbing thread” because what has been said needs to be said, and I have no time for liberal-approval-seeking angst.
georgej on March 4, 2007 at 12:11 AM
Jetboy does not seem like the type who is going to run away crying because someone said something offensive.
EnochCain on March 4, 2007 at 12:12 AM
ditto
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:15 AM
As a term for a bundle of something, usually firewood, yes. As a pejorative for homosexuals, I don’t particularly care if you use it or not. Just don’t say it to my homosexual friends unless you know them really, really well, or we’ll have a talk.
I have a problem with people hurting those I care about. I don’t have a problem with words.
Then you believe that the conservative movement is due for a purge. Gotcha. Have fun with that. You seem to have quite a lot of influence here, especially with the staff.
Well put, and agreed.
spmat on March 4, 2007 at 12:21 AM
Well we all can think of certain words that would make the left cry really really loud, and the use of which wouldn’t mean that we’re doing something really really right. Wrong is wrong and that’s just the way it is. Politics seems to be creating moral blind spots for some people.
Bryan on March 4, 2007 at 12:21 AM
Yes they were out of line and if Ann had meant what she said in the way you believe she did, I’d agree with you.
I don’t believe she was going to call Edwards a “faggot”. Ann was relating an incident that actually happened. I am pretty sure no one here thinks someone should have to go to rehab for calling someone a bad name. That is PC horse pucky and IS NOT a conservative ideal. Ann remarked that she had retought saying anything bad about edwards because what she was going to say was waaaaaay worse than the word “faggot” and THAT GUY was sent to rehab!!! What the heck would they demand of Ann? A lobotomy? The firing squad? It’s nuts! PC is out of control and Ann stabbed it in it’s black heart with that comment!
She NEVER called him a faggot and DID not intimate that she was going to. And the angst that is being shown towards those conservatives whom are deriding her are out of frustration that they cannot get these folks to get their heads out of PC expectations. PC which is the sacrament of the godless church of liberalism and IS more abhorant to the conservative ideology than “supposed” insults that NEVER happened.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 12:23 AM
Enoch’s right…I don’t offend easily. As a gay, Catholic, Republican, I have issues! No one part of me gets along with the others…
And thanks for the support jummy n’ benna…I love HotAir, and everyone is entitled to their opinions. Not like I haven’t heard any of this stuff before…
******
georgej…
I see what you’re saying…that you don’t want to “aid the enemy”…but look at it this way:
The libs and Dems are going to tear Coulter apart for that comment no matter what. And they’ll continue to do the same to any conservative or Republican who says anything remotely offensive.
It’s nothing new that they won’t do the same to their own…
We aren’t so much aiding the libs when we chastise our own, and we can’t look at it that way. We’re simply holding ouselves as Republicans to a higher moral standard.
So let the libs flop around in the gutter…and keep our mouths out of the gutter…
JetBoy on March 4, 2007 at 12:24 AM
“Politics seems to be creating moral blind spots for some people.” Bryan
“Politics ain’t beanbag” Finley Peter Dunne, Chicagoan.
georgej on March 4, 2007 at 12:27 AM
Bryan, in this you have a point.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 4, 2007 at 12:28 AM
they want to “fight fire with fire” which means apparently being ferociously abusive without having to apologise or stand by the meaning of what they said.
outrage from the right forced marcott off the edwards blogging team, followed by edwards retracting his rubber condemnation and morcot and the nutroots protesting that they were “smeared” by being quoted accurately. when marcot and her comrades write about “godbags” and the like, its bigotry, and none of the antigay bigots like william2006 or hiraghm would accept any of their dissembling about it.
now they’re operating in the exact same mnanner as the edwards campaign and, with astonishing giant balls, questioning the authenticity of our conservatism for objecting.
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:31 AM
Jetboy, you’re not from Indiana, are you? I thought the only gay Catholic Republican lived there.
tikvah on March 4, 2007 at 12:33 AM
The entire focus of this thread has largely been consumed with two ideas, viz. “look at what Ann Coulter has done to us now” AND “how should we react to her behavior?” But there MAY be one other thing that is worthy of consideration. Perhaps it does not belong in this thread.
The other thing that I am referring to is the “look at what Ann Coulter does to herself” factor. I don’t mean to pry into other peoples’ personal lives, and moreover, perhaps Ann Coulter is convinced that she “has it all together” — after all, she IS rich, and famous, and intelligent, and some people even think that she’s sexy. Nevertheless, I believe that AC has issues.
I, for one, am concerned. I know what hatred can do to your soul when you hang on to it over long periods of time. (And don’t kid yourself, she HATES liberals.) Hatred CONSUMES your soul from the inside out. Like a backdraft. I wonder if she has anyone in her life that can help her. Before we shun her or walk-out on her, shouldn’t somebody find out if she needs someone to talk to. Being a celebrity can be a pretty lonely business, ya’ know.
Okay. Feel free to ridicule me now for even considering such a thing.
CyberCipher on March 4, 2007 at 12:35 AM
Jetboy wrote:
“It’s nothing new that they won’t do the same to their own…”
That’s the point. They WILL NOT do the same for similar remarks. They never do. One of ours writes smutty emails to male pages, and he’s run out of Congress. One of theirs, who actually has sex with male pages, turns his back on the “shaming” and they let him keep his seat in Congress.
One of ours makes a comment celebrating a life of long public service, who in his distant past was once a racist, and he loses his leadership job. One of theirs uses the “N” word on a national TV news program and he not only keeps his job, he’s regarded as the “conscience” and “parlimentarian” of the Senate.
“We aren’t so much aiding the libs when we chastise our own, and we can’t look at it that way. We’re simply holding ouselves as Republicans to a higher moral standard.”
We are aiding them. It smacks of grovelling for liberal MSM approval. And holding ourselves to a higher moral standard means we lose elections. Our opponents REVEL in going low and dirty because that is how they win.
Coulter said what she said. Some were offended. Some were not. But the obsession of some of us with excommunicating her is not only stupid, but is exactly what the Democrats want and expect. The concept is called “divide and conquer” and WE are being divided over a stupie remark.
This discussion (and the move to excommunicate Coulter) is a WIN-WIN for the Democrats and Brian and Ian are unable to see it.
georgej on March 4, 2007 at 12:38 AM
She NEVER called him a faggot and DID not intimate that she was going to.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 12:23 AM
that’s a head-scratcher. one of those “did not have sex (wink, nudge) with that woman”/”meaning of ‘is’” kind of assertions.
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Well, if our kids were taught to listen to what the speaker said IN CONTEXT before reacting because of a violation of PC that the liberals have conditioned us with, that comment would have been understood for what it really was. A parable of sorts. A comment that only those who get what she is doing can see the wisdom in. Our kids would learn not to cower for fear of being unworthy at the PC alter. One way to look at it is that Ann’s words were her doing something, not saying something.
Ann should be able to say any word in the english language as an example of a factual event without the PC sirens going off.
Ann could have explained all this in very plain words, but people are lazy and would forget in a day. Now, you get someone to understand the meaning behind her words, well, thats how rightous revolution is fueled. People are engaging their brains and actually OWN the realization because they did the thinking all by themselves.
Like Jesus said when he used parables…
To them who have ears, let them hear. (paraphrased) All other will be confused and confounded. When he said all men must be born again, many wondered how they could re-enter the womb to be born again. Those who understaood his words believed and understood, whilst those who did not, walked away confused and cursing him.
Hmmmmmm, now where have we seen that recently?
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 12:40 AM
Bryan - what’s “the bind”? Ann, or anyone on our side, could say “workers of the world, unite” and the Left would still demonize her and twist her words, and use it as a smear to tarnish the rest of us. That’s what they do and who they are regardless of what we say. I can’t believe that America has become so thin skinned that people can’t take a little faggot joke anymore.
The only legitimate fear here is the power of the MSM. But I can’t see how that can be dealt with by cowering before it.
Halley on March 4, 2007 at 12:41 AM
Show the group when she called him a faggot.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 12:42 AM
Why I love Annie:
For the record…. I agree with every word of it.
Maxx on March 4, 2007 at 12:42 AM
When do we get an apology for characters like Stark or idiots like Momma Moonbat ?
How is it that nuts on the left get free pass from their side and we have to attack one of our own ?
William Amos on March 4, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Well, I am getting tired of the black dress thing. Seriously though, all people in the public eye have issues. Do you actually read articles she posts on her site? Not a slam at you - just curious and asked to make a point. I think Ann hates liberalism, and because liberalism is only associated with liberals, some transference obviously occurs. Reading her articles as often as I do, I can tell her beef is really with what she calls “the Church of Liberalism”. It really is the message, and not simply the messenger. Also, she gets paid really well to continue having that point of view. As often as her life and safety are threatened, I’m sure it doesn’t help her opinion of those on the left.
thedecider on March 4, 2007 at 12:46 AM
We’re playing cricket? Crap, I forgot my bat. What position am I playing - libtard, dhimmi, liberal-approval-seeker, enabler?
Is it Marquis of Queensbury rules or a fight to the death?
I’m so confused. It’s hard to concentrate when your knickers are in a twist.
John from WuzzaDem on March 4, 2007 at 12:46 AM
I already made my opinion known about Ann Coulter. I think the woman is a wart that needs to be popped. She makes conservatives look bad and WE NEED to stop putting her on TV all the time and speaking about her as though she holds credibility as a Conservative speaker. You hear that Hannity and Limbaugh?
zerodamage on March 4, 2007 at 12:47 AM
as if purging the registered commenters at hot air were the same as purging the movement.
i wish i was better liked by ap and bryan because i really like the bandwidth of ideas and attitudes they express. but i’ve said some harsh things about the overweening influence of christians in the conservative movement which bryan departs from and slagged an individual on the moderate left which ap admires. i type poorly, have bad breath and my blog is an abomination to the form, so i can’t say i don’t see where it’s comes from. but if i don’t speak up about what i think is wrong, no one will.
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:49 AM
“How is it that nuts on the left get free pass from their side and we have to attack one of our own ?”
That is exactly why I object to the attempt to excomunicate Coulter.
georgej on March 4, 2007 at 12:50 AM
Wow, quite a thread.
It’s impossible to summarize, I guess I’ll quote myself and the exquisite PierreLeGrande:
Indeed, how can our beloved republic survive if Ann Coulter cannot be free to call Edwards a faggot?
All is lost.
billy on March 4, 2007 at 12:50 AM
If I may point out that you just applied PC pressure to him. He never called anyone a “jap” much less Bryans wife. He related a STORY of someone who used the word and you dragged out the PC accusation. And I hasten to point out that Bryan defended his criticism of Ann by saying that he quoted her exactly. The quote you are complaining about is accurate.
Conservatives don’t subscribe to PC and THAT is the crux of the opposition to your use of PC tactics where it DOES NOT APPLY.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 12:51 AM
woa! you got me there csdevon! she said she would have called him a faggot. just like maher said there would have been a net benefit if cheney were killed. you’re right. the whole botched joke seems reasonable if you’re capable of grasping the nuance.
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 12:59 AM
Hmmm…Evolution, Religion, and now, Ann Coulter. These are the subjects that seem to generate the most comments here.
Hey folks - did you see the sheep story Allah posted? Go check it out! It’s starving for comments because you all are in here.
thedecider on March 4, 2007 at 12:59 AM
Bleh. AC’s been denounced by the three main contenders for the presidency and hundreds of bloggers, many of which wish she’d drop dead or at least go away permanently. The Democrats have more ammunition to fundraise with, which will net them hundreds of thousands, not to mention hours of party conversation about “that awful Ann Coulter.” Meanwhile, Coulter will make a million dollars over this because her legions of readers love salacious content. See, everyone’s happy.
Night folks.
spmat on March 4, 2007 at 1:01 AM
your sophistry has such nuance.
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 1:02 AM
Just some of her books. I’ve been to her web-site, but I’ve never spent a significant amount of time there. Mostly ’cause she scares me, I guess. Imagine that. I big 100 Kilogram+ guy like me scared of a little waif like Annie.
CyberCipher on March 4, 2007 at 1:02 AM
Hmmm now watching Ann’s whole thing. I see that her defence of gays was missed. It was in her Q&A section. This is what happens when one walks out to soon.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 4, 2007 at 1:03 AM
I can’t speak for all conservatives, but I subscribe to principles of common decency, respect for others, and calm political discourse, not name-calling and hatred. Applying this across ethnic or sexual preference lines does not make one a PC-freak.
tikvah on March 4, 2007 at 1:03 AM
ditto
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 1:04 AM
How long before the MSM starts talking about Republican candidates having to distance themselves from those kooky rightroots ? And where will the alternative media be then?
billy on March 4, 2007 at 1:04 AM
link?
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 1:06 AM
“How long before the MSM starts talking about Republican candidates having to distance themselves from those kooky rightroots ?”
Were you around for the 1964 election?
Did you remember what happened to Trent Lott, and what did NOT happen to Bobby Byrd?
Those were two such instances.
It is one of the reasons I object to this attempt of excommunication.
georgej on March 4, 2007 at 1:08 AM
Been a way for a while, so what’s been going on……….
(Just kidding)
I think the REAL issue here is…………….., that girl who sung the “dixie chicks” song on American Idol, was actually voted off not because of her singing, but because America was revolting back agains the “dixie chicks” winning all those “oscars”………
Scandalous, simply Scandalous……….
And by the way, another US soldier was killed today, but we also took out some bad guys (you will never hear of)……
Global Warming is caused by the Sun, but Al Gore has started a new religion……..
Ann Colter used the term “faggot” in a bad joke, and the right wing blogs are eating their own……..
A thousand years from now, will it really matter????
Sorry to throw ice water on this thread, but get away from your computers, go outside and look at the moon for a bit, then come back in and see what else is new……..
You all have points, and the discourse between us, not shameless name calling, proves our higher ground….
If it wasn’t this, it would have been something else, there are two years to go…… as I said before, this was a “fly fart!”
Wait until we get to Easter…… “what’s this they found Jesus’ bones?”
Now THAT is offensive…..
PinkyBigglesworth on March 4, 2007 at 1:11 AM
Link
Her site is acting up a little tonight so you may have to try to load it a couple of times. The video is in two parts. This particualer thing(the defence) was in the 2nd vid.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 4, 2007 at 1:13 AM
No she did not.
She said it turns out that you have to go into rehab for using the word “faggot”. I believe the point was not the word “faggot”, but rather that PCness has gone haywire and she couldn’t say anything.
But you keep doing what you’re doing. Lots of folks have to hold the line.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 1:13 AM
OK. My grandparents spent five years dodging Nazi goons while the country was occupied. Is it OK for me to call the bastards “Krauts”, or do I have to check if somebody around here is married to a German first?
Jummy, your “insight” would be ever so much more interesting if your mother had raised the baby instead of the placenta.
Misha I on March 4, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Where did he call ANYONE a jap?
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 1:15 AM
i understand and its a good reason. things aren’t equal. but attacks on the right endure and persist because the left is good at framing, archiving, repeating and incorperating them into their doctrine. the right does poorly with this. the problem is not in being insufficiently hateful or insufficiently prepared to defend ugliness when it arises from our side. it’s a lack of rigor on our part.
jummy on March 4, 2007 at 1:20 AM
Respect is one thing, accusing someone of something they never said is another.
You are placing an intent on Anns words over a percieved meaning because of an inflametory word. That’s the definition of PC.
csdeven on March 4, 2007 at 1:20 AM
See…….. I told you one of the results would be we could all use the term “faggot” again……
There, don’t we all feel a little better…..
PinkyBigglesworth on March 4, 2007 at 1:22 AM
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