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The problem with Ann

posted at 8:03 pm on March 3, 2007 by Bryan
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Check this out: Ann Coulter is raising campaign cash for John Edwards!

Dear Friend,

Did you hear about Anne Coulter’s speech this afternoon attacking John? A friend just forwarded me the video and it’s one of the worst moments in American politics I’ve seen.

I can’t bring myself to even repeat her comments. Her shameless display of bigotry is so outrageous you actually have to see for yourself to believe it.

This is just a taste of the filth that the right-wing machine is gearing up to throw at us. And now that it’s begun, we have a choice: Do we sit back, or do we fight back?

I say we fight. Help us raise $100,000 in “Coulter Cash” this week to show every would-be Republican mouthpiece that their bigoted attacks will not intimidate this campaign. I just threw in 100 bucks. Will you join me? Just click here.

Coulter’s attack was no accident. It happened on national television at one of the year’s biggest conservative conferences. Dick Cheney and most of the Republican candidates were in the audience. She was even introduced by Mitt Romney.

John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power. Since they have nothing real to use against him, Coulter’s resorting to the classic right-wing strategy of riling up hate to smear a progressive champion. And the Republican attack dogs will keep playing this despicable trick as long as they think it works.

But this time, you and I can change the game.

If we can raise $100,000 in “Coulter Cash” this week, we can show that bigotry will only backfire on those who use it. John is not the first progressive leader to face this kind of slime, but together, we can make sure he is one of the last.

Tonight, I’ve put in 100 bucks of “Coulter Cash” to get us started. Can you match me, or chip in whatever you can afford? Just click here:

http://johnedwards.com/r/6665/839078

Thanks,

David Bonior
Campaign Manager
John Edwards for President

There’s a great deal of political silliness and wishful thinking in that letter–it is a political money pitch for a third-place candidate, after all–but at its core it contains a message that’s likely to resonate. That message is, Republicans are just hateful, horrible people and you need to stop them (by giving us your money, now for the campaign, and in the future through taxes). True, Democrats always say that. But Miss Ann gave them a shred of evidence upon which to convict us all.

And, what’s the big headline coming out of CPAC? Is it that Josh Sparling won a much-deserved award? Is it that conservatives remain committed to the war for freedom against terrorism? Is it that this post-blowout CPAC was the largest CPAC ever? Was it that I got to be on a teevee show?

No. The headline coming out of CPAC is that Ann Coulter said an awful thing. Which is what she wants, since it’ll keep her profile up and help her sell books. She doesn’t care that conservative heroes and leaders and thousands of other less known conservatives who were present will end up getting tarnished by her remarks. She doesn’t care that she’s putting the CPAC organizers in a bind, since she’s their biggest draw but also their biggest liability. She probably doesn’t care that she’s John Edwards’ spokesmodel. She probably likes the attention. It’s all about Ann. And that’s the problem.


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You know who I feel for in all this? The 1/2 Hour News Hour.

Alex K on March 3, 2007 at 8:06 PM

Alternate posting: The problem with Hot Air’s character assassination of Ann Coulter.

Will the last conservative here turn out the light?

jaleach on March 3, 2007 at 8:06 PM

Since when is an opinion on an accurate quote a character assassination?

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 8:08 PM

As with much of the media and politics in this country now—–”Much ado about nothing”,

conservativecaveman on March 3, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Bullocks…

The Truth of the matter is our nice guy tactics have gotten us a string of defeats that would make the French look like the Freaking Nazis. While we play by the Marquis De Queenbury rules the Left and the Islamic thugs play by the Marquis de Sades rules. We read Gandhi they read Machivelli, we read the New Testament they read the Old…we feel superior they win.

Ann doesn’t play by our rules and she makes the point. She understands the one thing that no one else on the right seems to understand. The left’s game is to move the Goal Posts scream and cry till we agree that their position doesn’t seem that unreasonable and that we can find a middle ground. Poof then the goal posts move a bit more to the left…which finds us these days going yea sure guys who poke each other in the ass are realiable stewards of children…sure. Next up we will start finding reasons to comprimise with NAMBLA and having sex with children.

Ann understands that you cannot comprimise with evil…you can only oppose it. The rest of us have not learned that lesson yet. Which is why we see long drawn out discussions on why we should lose this war against a 7th Century religion that even our President PBOH cannot find the stomach to call an abomination.

PierreLegrand on March 3, 2007 at 8:11 PM

If the best the libs can do is accuse conservatives of hate speech when the lib blogs contain little else, I say bring it on.

conservativecaveman on March 3, 2007 at 8:12 PM

Pfft, don’t try to act like this is “conservative bashing” to decry Ann Coulter’s idiocy. Ann Coulter should know better than to act like a 13 year old when 90% of the presidential hopefuls are in the same room. She’s not bigoted… she doesn’t need to be censored… she’s just a selfish idiot and all conservatives are going to get the black brush because whoever runs the CPAC obviously can’t be in charge of anything more important than a bake sale.

Ann Coulter doesn’t say things because she’s conservative: she’s just an attention whore.

Lehosh on March 3, 2007 at 8:14 PM

How do you solve a problem like Ann Coulterrrrrrrr..
How do you chase a witch and melt her down..
How do you solve a problem like Ann Coulterrrrrrr..

How–do–you–calm–the–moooonbats–down–nowwwww….

——————————

Thank ya, Thank ya very much, I’m here all week ladies and gentlemen..

GoodBoy on March 3, 2007 at 8:14 PM

If only Ann Coulter said something less controversial like “Too bad he wasn’t killed in the Alabama tornadoes. That would be one less democrat to worry about.”

After all, wishing death on your political opponent seems all the rage tehse days.

hadsil on March 3, 2007 at 8:16 PM

I don’t know who is whining more you guys over what Ann said or the liberals. You don’t think photoshopping pictures of Edwards as a my little pony is any better do you?

bj1126 on March 3, 2007 at 8:19 PM

As tasteless and demeaning as Ann’s comment was, and it was tasteless and demeaning, I for one understand the point she was getting at…famous people lately are getting away with doing incredibly stupid and wrong things by simply declaring they have a drug or alcohol problem and going to rehab. I honestly don’t think she wanted to call Edwards that, but her choice of words was exceedingly poor. She made her point to me, but I wish she’d thought of a way to make her point to EVERYONE.

fusionaddict on March 3, 2007 at 8:19 PM

As I mentioned yesterday, she is very witty, I read her column every week. But every now and then her punches land below the belt. Her Edwards comment was very low would have hit him in the nads if he had any. However, the left now has an issue to rant about rather than defend their cowardliness, their lack of patriotism and their compulsion to surrender to any and all enemies we face.

I think she should send him flowers and apologize.

Zorro on March 3, 2007 at 8:20 PM

I agree totally with Pierre’s post. We play nice and they play to win. Big difference.

Neo on March 3, 2007 at 8:20 PM

Bryan, you know I love you, man. And I love Ann, too. Guess I’m “torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool,” as a corny old song said.

My problem with Ann’s most egregious remarks is two-fold:

1. It helps the Left excuse their hateful rhetoric and scary behavior, a la Mike Stark-Raving Stalker.

2. It is simply unnecessary. Ann is plenty smart and funny without resorting to name-calling and slurs.

Still, I hate to criticize her, I hesitate to psychoanalyze her, and I sure don’t want to purge her. I just wish some of her good friends would persuade her to keep it inside the lines.

We all need a little more prayer.

Ali-Bubba on March 3, 2007 at 8:21 PM

Bryan, you know I love you, man. And I love Ann, too. Guess I’m “torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool,” as a corny old song said.

My problem with Ann’s most egregious remarks is two-fold:

1. It helps the Left excuse their hateful rhetoric and scary behavior, a la Mike Stark-Raving Stalker.

2. It is simply unnecessary. Ann is plenty smart and funny without resorting to name-calling and slurs. I just wish some of her good friends would persuade her to keep it inside the lines.

We all need a little more prayer.

Ali-Bubba on March 3, 2007 at 8:21 PM

Ann understands that you cannot comprimise with evil…you can only oppose it. The rest of us have not learned that lesson yet. Which is why we see long drawn out discussions on why we should lose this war against a 7th Century religion that even our President PBOH cannot find the stomach to call an abomination.

PierreLegrand on March 3, 2007 at 8:11 PM

Excellent point, well said.
If Ann Coulter can’t call John Edwards a faggot, the terrorists have won.

billy on March 3, 2007 at 8:22 PM

Alright, I’ll grant that it is unfortunate that the media focuses solely on this one comment rather than CPAC as a whole. However, Hot Air’s continuous complaining about Ann Coulter is really starting to get old. No, she’s not politically correct. She’s sarcastic. She makes jokes. She makes really good points through jokes. She gets her message across. What makes her so popular is that liberals always take her too seriously, making them look stupid and her look even smarter. Why are you falling right into line with all the liberal analysis of what she says? Isn’t there an alarm going off in your heads somewhere when you realize that you are complaining about the very same things that John Edwards and Howard Dean are?

Bryan, you are my favorite blogger at Hot Air because you seem to be the most conservative. However, you should really consider all that Ann has done for the conservative movement before you attack her so generally with statements like, “She probably likes the attention. It’s all about Ann. And that’s the problem.” I would say that her books (which attack Clinton and the MSM and defend honorable people like Joe McCarthy) speak for themselves. Yeah, she’s popular because she is clever and sarcastic, but also because she is a true conservative that gets the conservative message across in a unique way.

tiekitwist on March 3, 2007 at 8:23 PM

WHY IS BRYAN A LIBERAL???

Jim Treacher on March 3, 2007 at 8:25 PM

Absolutely agreed. I wasn’t offended at the remarks per se because it takes a lot to really, really offend me. However, I was mad this was turned into a blanket situation where we all were made into homophobes and haters.

It’s funny, no sad, one word can almost ruin a convention and countless hours of work (and not countless hours of sleep) by conservatives. This coming from someone who woke up from a much needed four hour nap.

Ian on March 3, 2007 at 8:25 PM

John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power. Since they have nothing real to use against him,

Sorry, but that bit there is just pure comedy–especially since it’s describing a third-string candidate who also happens to be a flaming (but not the gay kind of flaming) liberal and crooked trial lawyer. Let them throw their contributions down the Edwards’ money hole–it’ll do less damage there than if they gave it to someone who might actually win.

ReubenJCogburn on March 3, 2007 at 8:27 PM

…and I agree with Bryan, she has diverted attention away from the fruit of a very important conservative gathering. A gathering more important this year because of the compression in the primary season coming early next year. She should apologize.

Zorro on March 3, 2007 at 8:28 PM

(1) I don’t think those who are saying “get over it” or “you’re being a liberal” are getting it. Bryan is “complaining” about the effect her one word had on a whole weekend.

(2) Both of Ali-Bubba’s points are dead on.

Ian on March 3, 2007 at 8:29 PM

Bryan, I don’t have much use for Coulter… but I have to say, outside of whether there is any reason to be bothered by her comment or not, there’s no reason to believe any real news coverage was going to come out of CPAC. Not that nothing eventful happened, but come on, you know the state of the media, and it gets worse by the day. I just think the multiple posts on this at HotAir are just feeding the fire of something so stupid. Great, Ann needs attention and says stupid crap a couple times a year…. She also gets physically assaulted by liberals when speaking at colleges. The fact that that alone got virtually no MSM play will tell you all you need to know about what’s going on in the media. But as I said in another thread, there is an army of Coulters on the left, and they spend every hour of every day saying things like her. It’s not an excuse, but why are we freaking out about Coulter? Do we have something to prove? Do any of us have ties to her? No. And no matter how much we sit around her condemning her remarks and saying she doesn’t speak for us, that’s still not going to be the way it’s reported in the media… so who cares? Seriously. And again, she’s some uninfluential author/speaker… The Army of Coulters on the left are commentators, authors, “journalists”, elected Democrats, DNC chairmen, and the media doesn’t care… It really doesn’t matter how anyone here reacts to Coulter’s comments because the media will do what they want to do with the story anyway… they will inflate stupid little stories, while burrying real stories where there’s a pattern of behavior. There’s plenty of other real news to feed the HotAir community with right now, not thread after thread insisting Coulter was out of line.

RightWinged on March 3, 2007 at 8:32 PM

I like Ann. She has a sharp wit, she’s spot-on with her analysis of leftists, her research is point-on. But her remark was way out of the park, totally uncalled-for. She should apologize, publicly, with true humility.

She was wrong.

stonemeister on March 3, 2007 at 8:34 PM

And again, she’s some uninfluential author/speaker…

RightWinged on March 3, 2007 at 8:32 PM

Have you ever read any of her books? I would argue that it is somewhat insulting to call her uninfluential. Her books are very intelligent and funny, which is no small feat these days. Plus, they are on the New York Times bestseller list every time – and not because they’re “controversial,” because they are quality. Even if you don’t like her, you’ve got to give her some credit.

tiekitwist on March 3, 2007 at 8:37 PM

This is really funny.

I can’t bring myself to even repeat her comments

Because …? If he does, it’ll stick. Edwards cannot afford to be thought of as a wussy. Watch Hillary’s campaign use this against him.

naliaka on March 3, 2007 at 8:37 PM

I think Bonoir wrote the letter specifically for Republican bloggers to use.

Perchant on March 3, 2007 at 8:38 PM

Is that David Bonior the same oily ex-Congresscritter from Michigan? If so, the Edwards bunch is sleazier than I thought. That pitch for Coulter Cash is extremely low rent.

I have no compunction with those on the right taking issue with Coulter, but the left feigning outrage is more than I can stomach, thank you very much, especially after their theatrics this past week.

JammieWearingFool on March 3, 2007 at 8:38 PM

Resonate? With who? This is a man who hired two anti-Christian, anti-catholic, blasphemous foul, disgusting, offensive Bloggers to write for his campaign and refused to fire them. Resonate? Please! If you don’t like Anne don’t invite her to your party. You knew what you were getting. Don’t feign surprise or indignation.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2007 at 8:42 PM

John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power.

He’s kidding, right? Not Hillary, not Obama, but Edwards? He needs to get out from under the rock.

amerpundit on March 3, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Forget silky pony. He’s now the billionaire victim. Seriously though, lierals don’t respect anything more than being a victim of some kind.

mattshu on March 3, 2007 at 8:46 PM

What is bollocks is seeing Reps and Cons arguing that Coulter is merely doing what the libs always do. Apart from that being a crap excuse, trying to argue that ‘Republicans play nice, lose elections, but feel morally superior’ is nonsensical. It’s what I expect from those on the left, with the Iraq WMD situation being an obvious example (eg let’s wait until they use WMDs so we can have the moral high ground)

Anyhoo, just getting sick of seeing this sort of thing. It’s like this ‘let’s vote for a REAL conservative (and lose the election but hey, at least we’ll feel good about ourselves!)’ etc etc

If all Repubs can do is be anti-’them’ (be it Democrats or unfavoured Republican candidates) instead of pro-us, then yes, 2008 is going to be a very unpleasant year

Reaps on March 3, 2007 at 8:47 PM

Positive headlines? For CPAC?
That’s just retarded thinking.

Stephen M on March 3, 2007 at 8:47 PM

Have you ever read any of her books? I would argue that it is somewhat insulting to call her uninfluential. Her books are very intelligent and funny, which is no small feat these days. Plus, they are on the New York Times bestseller list every time – and not because they’re “controversial,” because they are quality. Even if you don’t like her, you’ve got to give her some credit.

tiekitwist on March 3, 2007 at 8:37 PM

For starters, I’m not even on the side of those flipping out on Coulter over this whole thing.. I recognize that at least half of the joke was mocking the whole hollywood/politician thing to do these days is go to rehab when you say something stupid.

But when I say not influential, I mean she’s not mainstream, she’s not driving opinion. She’s a preaching to the far right choir kind of broad, and often in a satirical manner. I just don’t think she carries a very big stick (though the liberal blogs beg to differ, pun intended) with the GOP.

But again, as I said, what is the deal with repeated posts about this? I’m not going to rerererepeat my points from this and other threads again, but this is so not news… We’d be more productive wildly speculating on the expert in Russian intelligence and critic of the Putin regime being shot outside of his home in Maryland, 4 days after telling Dateline he thinks Putin’s government was behind Litvinenko’s poisoning.

RightWinged on March 3, 2007 at 8:47 PM

BRYAN KILLED CPAC.

Alex K on March 3, 2007 at 8:48 PM

But again, as I said, what is the deal with repeated posts about this? I’m not going to rerererepeat my points from this and other threads again, but this is so not news… We’d be more productive wildly speculating on the expert in Russian intelligence and critic of the Putin regime being shot outside of his home in Maryland, 4 days after telling Dateline he thinks Putin’s government was behind Litvinenko’s poisoning.

Agreed.

tiekitwist on March 3, 2007 at 8:50 PM

Look…I’m gay, and I’m a Republican…more conservative than any of my “straight” friends…and yes, Coulter’s remarks were absolutely ridiculous, but they were pure Coulter (who also happens to be from my hometown).

Was I “offended”? Heck, no. For those who don’t give any creedence to Coulter anyway, why would they care what she says? She’s an “entertainer” who preaches to the choir…and I’ve read, and got a kick out of, all her books.

These groups demanding that the Republicans chastise her for her remarks of course say nothing when Bill Mahar says that Cheney should have been killed by that bomb, etc…Liberals are hypocrites. And we all know that.

As a side note: It was nice to see Michelle and Ian (I believe it was) comment on how the rest of the room at her CPAC speech may have cheered, but the “HotAir” corner did not. Kudos to you guys.

JetBoy on March 3, 2007 at 8:50 PM

So, it’s OK for Howard Dean, the head of the DNC to imply that Bush caused 9/11. It’s OK that Kos says, “Screw them.” about the deaths and mutilation of Americans. It’s OK that Al Gore calls the President a liar and that Harry Reid calls him a loser. It’s OK, that lefty blogs call for the death of VP Cheney. It’s OK that Democrat welfare policy has kept the African-American community in economic and cultural poverty. It’s OK that states can mandate sex education for 7 year olds. It’s OK almost 50 years of increasingly socialist policies rob Americans of their freedoms.

But, should a Conservative satirist use a word, deemed by the PC crowd as unmentionable, everyone gets their knickers in a twist!

Coulter’s comment wasn’t about Edward’s sexuality, it was about the double-standards of the left and PC gone amok. Time for the right to grow a pair and fight for the survival of this nation.

MCPO Airdale on March 3, 2007 at 8:51 PM

You don’t think photoshopping pictures of Edwards as a my little pony is any better do you?

bj1126 on March 3, 2007 at 8:19 PM

That’s “Silky Pony” to you!

…. and don’t forget poor Rush

(Sarcasm on)
“What have you done, what have you done!!!!”

Pllluuuueeeeeaaassssseeeeee!

The Democrats, Left, Hollywood, and MSM have been throwing so much fecal matter towards President Bush and the Republicans just to see if something sticks, this “issue” is like a “fly fart”.

The left is going to run with anything that is said, take anything out of context, cry “alligator tears” at any mistep.

True, “faggot” brings in the powerful homosexual money from Hollywood, but they were in play anyway, and not for the Republican party.

I think Ann has done us all a great service…. now we can all talk about “faggot”s, pertaining to Ann’s remarks before.

Don’t you see the beauty in it?

(Sarcasm OFF)

Get the point?

PinkyBigglesworth on March 3, 2007 at 8:53 PM

Help make it NOT about Ann.
Retract this simple-minded post and write something positive about CPAC.

Stephen M on March 3, 2007 at 8:57 PM

True, Democrats always say that. But Miss Ann gave them a shred of evidence upon which to convict us all.

No, she didn’t, Bryan. She gave them ammunition. There’s a difference.

Bush didn’t do a single damn thing that the left has been raising money over for the past 6 years, but that doesn’t stop them from raising gobs of money.

You think that her comments are “evidence” to “convict” us? You’re flagellating yourself. What Ann said was crass, rude and stupid. It was not, even in the slightest, an indictment of conservatism or the Republican party. Your thinking that it is is more than a little disturbing.

Do you think Ann Coulter hates homosexuals? Do you think she’s a hateful person? Do you think she’s evil, even just the Diet Coke of evil? If so, then yeah, what she said is “proof.” If not, then you might want to step back and think about how you’re strengthening the charge being leveled by those Democrat fundraisers by accepting their framing of the debate. By chucking AC as ballast, your hemming yourself into their stereotype of you.

If AC is to be a non-person because she acts the fool from time to time, then we will always be a minority party in the shadow of those willing to protect their political flanks, even the weak ones.

spmat on March 3, 2007 at 8:57 PM

You keep your beeyatch pitbulls like Coulter outside and let them work on the thugs jumping over your fence.

When you bring them inside, they tends to cause trouble, scaring the kids, biting the little old lady bringing soup for your sick aunt, and, in general, they don’t charm. Because charm isn’t why you got a pitbull.

Let her work outside.

She can’t handle formal situations.

She then knocks down the pile of faggots in front of the Edwardian fire-place and causes a mess.

profitsbeard on March 3, 2007 at 9:03 PM

And, what’s the big headline coming out of CPAC? Is it that Josh Sparling won a much-deserved award? Is it that conservatives remain committed to the war for freedom against terrorism? Is it that this post-blowout CPAC was the largest CPAC ever? Was it that I got to be on a teevee show?

No. The headline coming out of CPAC is that Ann Coulter said an awful thing. Which is what she wants, since it’ll keep her profile up and help her sell books.

Bryan

Excuse me Bryan, but it wasn’t her who has created 3 separate threads and boosted her profile here.

What’s stopped you from creating other threads about Josh Starling and the events at CPAC?

.

GT on March 3, 2007 at 9:04 PM

3 threads devoted to Anne and 1 devoted to Maher (and that’s largely about Anne). No wonder we lost big.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2007 at 9:04 PM

I just want to know if Michelle received the “Accuracy in Media Award.”

News2Use on March 3, 2007 at 9:05 PM

My problem with Ann’s most egregious remarks is two-fold:

1. It helps the Left excuse their hateful rhetoric and scary behavior, a la Mike Stark-Raving Stalker.

2. It is simply unnecessary. Ann is plenty smart and funny without resorting to name-calling and slurs. I just wish some of her good friends would persuade her to keep it inside the lines.

We all need a little more prayer.

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

The fact is, this was a GREAT CPAC. It was my third, and it ROCKED. Oliver North ROCKED. I saw Ward Connerly speak in person for the first time, and he was AMAZING. I met Newt Gingrich and Duncan Hunter and Lou Ferrigno (yeah, the Hulk, baby!) and David Horowitz and Sean Hannity and too many other luminaries to name. Bloggers were everywhere, the energy from the young uns was off the charts, it was just a GREAT conference, other than a little bit of security insecurity. I was working so hard and enjoying myself so much that I hardly slept, rarely ate and never got any time to post anything about what was going on. But what are we all talking about? Hmmm?

Ann’s dirty word.

And that’s what she intended, and that’s the problem.

If she had stopped just one joke short, she would have ended a fairly brilliant and timely routine on a solid note and none of us would be mad at each other. But she didn’t, and here we are.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Has Edwards yet to deny her claim?

SouthernGent on March 3, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Here’s a thought….

Bush has done pretty much the complete opposite of what Coulter has done. He hasn’t spoken harshly of the Left. He hasn’t called anyone names. No acerbic witticisms.

How popular and respected is he by the Left (or by those same detractors on the Right)?

.

GT on March 3, 2007 at 9:11 PM

Not to quibble with the Edward’s campaign manager, but Dick Cheney was most certainly not in the audience. I stood in line for 2 hours to get in to see Coulter, but I didn’t go through security, there were no secret service agents running around, and the banquet hall hadn’t been shut down for hours while the secret service secured the area. That was the night before.

I personally don’t think there have been too many posts on this topic, and Bryan/HotAir is hardly capitulating to moonbats on this one. Sure, we don’t want to shoot our own, but when someone is out of line, we absolutely need to call them on it and let the world know darn sure that they can’t paint us all with a homophobic brush. This is one of many things that separates us from those on the left who are loathe to condemn the vitriole and bigotry that flows from the likes of Bill Maher and Amanda Marcotte.

tikvah on March 3, 2007 at 9:17 PM

No. The headline coming out of CPAC is that Ann Coulter said an awful thing. Which is what she wants, since it’ll keep her profile up and help her sell books. She doesn’t care that conservative heroes and leaders and thousands of other less known conservatives who were present will end up getting tarnished by her remarks. She doesn’t care that she’s putting the CPAC organizers in a bind, since she’s their biggest draw but also their biggest liability. She probably doesn’t care that she’s John Edwards’ spokesmodel. She probably likes the attention. It’s all about Ann. And that’s the problem.

Well said.

SisterToldjah on March 3, 2007 at 9:18 PM

I just want to know if Michelle received the “Accuracy in Media Award.”

News2Use on March 3, 2007 at 9:05 PM

Yup, she was one of 2 recipients.

tikvah on March 3, 2007 at 9:20 PM

Wow. I haven’t read so much purple prose in years. Must be hard to write with a crayon in an email.

Claire on March 3, 2007 at 9:20 PM

I just want to know if Michelle received the “Accuracy in Media Award.”

Yes, and it was well-deserved.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 9:21 PM

If she had stopped just one joke short, she would have ended a fairly brilliant and timely routine on a solid note and none of us would be mad at each other. But she didn’t, and here we are.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 9:08 PM

And you will gain absolutely nothing by excommunicating her. Denounce her statement, yes, punish her, yes, but casting her aside will do more harm than good.

spmat on March 3, 2007 at 9:24 PM

…we don’t want to shoot our own, but when someone is out of line, we absolutely need to call them on it and let the world know darn sure that they can’t paint us all with a homophobic brush. This is one of many things that separates us from those on the left…

tikvah on March 3, 2007 at 9:17 PM

You got it.

As conservatives, we take the higher ground. When one of ours does or says something out-of-line, we’ll call them on it. Liberals?…not so much.

It’s good we are talking about this. Keeps reminding the “undecideds” who does take the high road…

JetBoy on March 3, 2007 at 9:25 PM

I’m getting worried.

All of the PC stuff all the time.

Would someone tell me which group we are so protective of that Ann may have offended? Are we protecting the tender feelings of the Pretty Pony supporters, or the “in your face” homosexual contingent?

I’m wondering who has a dog in this fight, to some degree. Have the Log Cabin Republicans stated that they were offended because Ann compared them to Pretty Pony, or what?

Way too much ado about little of nothing, and it doesn’t seem to be stopping. The hysteria is getting under my skin.

For the record, I thought it was in bad taste too. But, as I have previously noted, I find at least ten or a dozen things to be in bad taste every day.

Get over it already, people.

jefferson101 on March 3, 2007 at 9:25 PM

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2007 at 8:42 PM

Good point. A voice of reason. I know I’ve seen plenty of people on the right (yes, we do it too) making the same (and true) claims about vile comments from the left – and raising plenty of cash to “fight” them just as David Bonior is doing. It’s politics and a low-ball marketing scheme but it works. He’ll raise plenty of cash from this and Edwards will STILL lose.

One question from this comment:

But what are we all talking about? Hmmm?
Ann’s dirty word.
And that’s what she intended, and that’s the problem.
Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Outside the blogosphere, where else is this being discussed? Are mainstream conservative Americans hearing this? I have to tell you, I haven’t seen or heard anything about this on the news and if it weren’t for Hot Air, I apparently wouldn’t have known this even happened.

thedecider on March 3, 2007 at 9:37 PM

Reading a little further, it looks like this has made it to mainstream media news after all. I’m surprised, but I don’t know why. Still, it’s such a non-issue.

thedecider on March 3, 2007 at 9:42 PM

Coulter’s remark has no real bearing on anything those who loathe conservatives think. If it’s not Coulter dropping the “F” word, it’s Bush’s “totalitarianism” or Malkin’s “fascism” or any conservative’s “Christian bigotry” etc…..

Any reasonable person could discern that she didn’t get a room wide cheer for that remark. Sure, there were some laughs, but I laughed because it was a little punk rock and totally unexpected, not because I enjoy disparaging remark that are considered slurs. People of all striped enjoy off color jokes of all kinds, why should this thing be admonished. Somebody who really has a problem with this either has a stick up their nether region or is so politically correct they’ve lost their sense of humor.

Any rational person, left or right, won’t take this as a blanket statement on righties, and even if they did, oh well, they’re just looking to dichotomize the queer issue along political lines. I could say that all leftists are pederasts because Michel Foucault support the abolishment of age consent laws in France in the late 70s but that wouldn’t really be fair, now would it?

Metro on March 3, 2007 at 9:46 PM

This is not directed at you thedecider. It’s a general observation.

Some on the Right think if they just suck-up to the Left and the MSM they will be liked and treated fairly. They cry about the bias and dishonesty of the MSM and yet they covert their attention like love-struck schoolboys chasing after the Home Coming Queen. They play the Left’s game by the Left’s rules and then wonder why they can’t win.

Here’s a news flash: No matter what you do, you will never be liked, accepted or treated fairly by people who are committed to your political demise.

Eating your own and virtually ignoring truly outrageous, hateful, dangerous comments like Maher’s isn’t going to win you any points with the Left, Center or the MSM. All it does is convince them they are right and winning and it pisses off your true friends an allies.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2007 at 9:46 PM

Bryan, if you want to make a case that AC has said things that were unChristian (either at CPAC or elsewhere), I won’t disagree with you — but I WILL argue that it is NOT the most surprising thing that has happened of late.

I have been arguing for many, many months now with other Christian conservatives about Ann Coulter. Like many of the posts in these threads here on HotAir the past couple of days, some people defend her. I never have. I have always held the position that she does the conservative movement more harm than good. Even though she understands the liberal mindset and exposes it for what it is, she does so in a manner that I find objectionable — mostly because she reminds me of my neighbor’s vicious attack dog. Let’s face it, no matter how many of our conservative counterparts/cohorts find her fascinating (or even sexually appealing?), it doesn’t alter the simple fact that the woman is mean-spirited. AC is one of the principal reasons that I have become such a big fan of Michelle Malkin — because, as near as I can tell, Michelle doesn’t exhibit the same kind of personality traits that are so painfully obvious in AC.

But if you’ll permit me now, I must say that I am compelled to level more than a little bit of criticism at someone OTHER THAN Ann. You must admit that this whole unfortunate episode is HARDLY a Gomer Pyle “Surprise, surprise, surprise” type moment. Ann Coulter has been Ann Coulter for a very long time now. If you are going criticize her for doing and saying the kinds of things that she has always said and done (IMHO), then it is only fair that you level an equal amount of criticism:

1) at the people that handed her the microphone at the CPAC conference in the first place, and

2) at the people that give her air-time on the media outlets.

So why do they continue to give Ann what she wants? Can you say “SHOW ME THE MONEY!”? That’s why. AC stirs up PLENTY of controversy, brings home the ratings/viewership numbers, and THAT sells air-time to the sponsers. It’s not just all about Ann Coulter, ya’ see — it’s all about the money. So if you are going to post a thread that laments the fact that the Edwards campaign is now going to use this incident to raise campaign funds, I think that you better be prepared to admit that the Edwards campaign is not doing ANYTHING that the media outlets didn’t figure out a VERY LONG TIME AGO.

Okay. Now the rest of you can get your jollies by telling me what a schmuck that I am.

CyberCipher on March 3, 2007 at 9:48 PM

They play the Left’s game by the Left’s rules and then wonder why they can’t win.
TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2007 at 9:46 PM

I completey get what you’re saying. From the NYT:

The remarks by Ann Coulter, an author who regularly speaks at conservative events, were sharply denounced by the candidates, Senator John McCain of Arizona, Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts. Their statements came after Democrats, gay rights groups and bloggers raised a storm of protest over the remarks.

Note that this was NOT an issue for these objectors until people on the left (and some bloggers on the right) began making an issue of it. It’s called pandering, and exactly to your point, they won’t win anyway.

thedecider on March 3, 2007 at 9:57 PM

I can’t believe so many people are defending Ann here. It’s just pathetic.

Basically what Ann said was that she couldn’t talk about Edwards because she couldn’t use the word “faggot”.

Yes she was probably making a really lame attempt at poking fun at the whole rehab thing that guy had to do. That doesn’t change the fact that by making that comment she was calling Edwards a “faggot”.

Now as a christian, I’ll be the first one to say that I don’t agree that being a homosexual is ok. It’s not as it’s a sin. But I’m not going to condone using hate against gays whether it’s throwing around the word that she used, gay bashing, or any other type of hateful or violent behavior.

Jesus does not hate gays and if we are going to model ourselves after Him then neither should we.

Benaiah on March 3, 2007 at 9:57 PM

Ann’s dirty word.

If you are referring to faggot as a dirty word, your in a heap of hurt. This is going to be a great election. Now, not only do I get to be entertained by the idiot lefties, now I got the conservatives offended as well. Like many others that have expressed their opinion here, I now know why we lost the recent elections. We folks to the right have been saying that the Republicans have lost their way, and that’s why the election was lost. I disagree. It seems many on this side of the aisle have become what they once claimed to abhor, sensitive weenies that take words out of context to make them mean more than they actually do. Everyone needs to take a deep breath, re-read all these AC posts and wake up and smell the roses. It’s a non issue people. Get over it and move on. Please redirect your energy at saving our society and not worry about the words faggot, pussy, gay whatever that people are throwing around.

rayvet on March 3, 2007 at 10:01 PM

I tried to explain this earlier. Those of us who get what Ann was doing need to give those who didn’t some slack.

Ask yourself this. When the conservative movement has brought some sanity back to the definition of what the “middle” is, are we are going to need people who reject this kind of talk to occupy the main stream conservative movement? YES! We do not need everyone to be an Ann or a Rush. We just need conservatives to hold to conservative values. That is what the complaints about Ann are all about. Adhesion to those values. We need the Ann’s and Rush’s of the party right now because sitting around singing hymns and trying to claim the moral high ground is never going to make any headway against the moonbat liberals.

We are at war, and Ann is our Delta Force. Rush is the SEALS and we need to let them do their job, just like we do in conventional warfare.

Hooah! Go team!

csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 10:01 PM

She doesn’t care that she’s putting the CPAC organizers in a bind, since she’s their biggest draw but also their biggest liability.

Knock it off. CPAC knew exactly who and what they hired when they hired her.

It’s not like Ann Coulter or insulting remarks coming from her is big news.

But hey, at least now all the Rudy McRomney fans have an excuse when the GOP, once again, get their asses handed to them in ‘08 for tacking so far to the PC left that even the left has to move over to let them pass.

IT WAS ALL ANN’S FAULT!!!11!!!1!

Pussies.

Is that OK to say nowadays, or should I pre-emptively denounce myself, lest I hurt Amanda Marcotte’s feewings?

Misha I on March 3, 2007 at 10:07 PM

Since when is an opinion on an accurate quote a character assassination?

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 8:08 PM

People accurately quote Bush but come to all sorts of erroneous conclusions.

csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 10:07 PM

And you will gain absolutely nothing by excommunicating her.

I’m a Southern Baptist, dude. We don’t excommunicate anybody. And I’m not saying that AC should be kicked out of the conservative movement. I’d have to be nuts to think I have that kind of power. I’m criticizing her for a remark that was on its face stupid and bigoted (and the joke wasn’t even funny, for whatever that’s worth), it has swamped an otherwise great CPAC and it has given our enemies ammunition to use against us.

As for the accusation that I’m writing about all this to win favor with the left…huh? If I was really interested in winning favor with the left, there are a lot easier ways to do that than criticizing Ann Coulter on a rightwing blog. I’d just say I’m a liberal now and I’d call conservatives a lot of foul names, and presto, Media Matters or HuffPo would be making me offers.

Since when did I care about winning favor with the left? Winning favor with the left is the last thing I want to do. I want to beat them, not join them. I just don’t want to be like them on the way to beating them.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 10:11 PM

We are at war, and Ann is our Delta Force. Rush is the SEALS and we need to let them do their job, just like we do in conventional warfare.

Hooah! Go team!

csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Spot On!

PinkyBigglesworth on March 3, 2007 at 10:13 PM

Since when is an opinion on an accurate quote a character assassination?

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 8:08 PM

When you guys have a long history trashing Ann.

Iblis on March 3, 2007 at 10:14 PM

Since when is an opinion on an accurate quote a character assassination?

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 8:08 PM

When you guys have a long history trashing Ann.

Iblis on March 3, 2007 at 10:14 PM

Sorry double post

Iblis on March 3, 2007 at 10:14 PM

We are at war, and Ann is our Delta Force. Rush is the SEALS and we need to let them do their job, just like we do in conventional warfare.

Hooah! Go team!

csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Spot On!

PinkyBigglesworth on March 3, 2007 at 10:13 PM

Rush in a wetsuit?….no thanks.

EnochCain on March 3, 2007 at 10:15 PM

I see, so it’s perfectly fine for Bill Maher to say it’s a fact more Americans would live if Cheney had been killed, but Ann Coulter can’t call the Breck Girl a “faggot?” I’m confused. The right has been pissed for a long time because those in the public eye haven’t been “fighting fire with fire,” yet when someone does, it’s off with their heads. I find this a bit hypocritical.

MsUnderestimated on March 3, 2007 at 10:15 PM

Bryan, you’re saying all libs are bigots?

Metro on March 3, 2007 at 10:16 PM

I see, so it’s perfectly fine for Bill Maher to say it’s a fact more Americans would live if Cheney had been killed, but Ann Coulter can’t call the Breck Girl a “faggot?” I’m confused. The right has been pissed for a long time because those in the public eye haven’t been “fighting fire with fire,” yet when someone does, it’s off with their heads. I find this a bit hypocritical.

MsUnderestimated on March 3, 2007 at 10:15 PM

I think the right wants to see arguments done on a factual level not ad hominem. I don’t want Rosie (and others) called big fat slobs, i want intelligent people on TV who are able to win the debate, not a naming calling contest. I don’t want to stoop to their level.

lorien1973 on March 3, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Bryan, you are alright, but I’m with Anne on this one.

Please read her quote, she did not call John Edwards a faggot.

Her point is a clear jab at the PC mentality.

Your reaction and that of all the other faint hearted conservatives IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS MOCKING.

Once again Ann Demonstartes that in the brains and balls categories, she is one of a kind.

JayHaw Phrenzie on March 3, 2007 at 10:22 PM

Bryan, you’re saying all libs are bigots?

Huh? Um, let me take a stab at this and say “No.” I’m not saying that all libs are bigots. I don’t even know where that question came from.

However.

Most of the bigots that are still accepted in polite society are in fact liberals, because many liberals are bigoted against groups that it is politically correct to hate. Like conservatives, whom liberals regularly call “Nazis” and “fascists” without ever seeing us as fellow human beings. And like Christians. And people from the South. And Americans who aren’t ashamed to be Americans.

You should see the email our boss gets from loving, tolerant liberals. You could light New York City with all that racist rage, and it’s all coming from liberals.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 10:24 PM

And people from the South

How true is that…I swear if I get asked if I sleep with my sister one more time…lol

EnochCain on March 3, 2007 at 10:28 PM

You said you want to beat them but not do it while being like them. I assumed you meant that Coulter was somehow being like liberals, in general.

Metro on March 3, 2007 at 10:30 PM

Wasn’t the Silky Pony the one who brought up Cheney’s daughter during a debate?

How about Puppy Blitzer?

Did THEY ever apologize?

How did the left react?

91Veteran on March 3, 2007 at 10:30 PM

You should see the email our boss gets from loving, tolerant liberals.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 10:24 PM

I’ve read Michelle’s “Unhinged” book. I saw her lecture and aborted book signing at Berkeley for “In Defense of Internment” So indeed, some of us are aware of what she is up against (or at least have some inkling).

You and Michelle et. al. are in our prayers. Just don’t tell AllahPundit. He’ll think it’s a grand conspiracy of some kind.

CyberCipher on March 3, 2007 at 10:32 PM

Ann understands that you cannot comprimise with evil…you can only oppose it. The rest of us have not learned that lesson yet. Which is why we see long drawn out discussions on why we should lose this war against a 7th Century religion that even our President PBOH cannot find the stomach to call an abomination.

PierreLegrand on March 3, 2007 at 8:11 PM

A good point. The left gets fighting mad about a word, yet cannot find the courage to fight truly evil people who want to kill them…and us.

91Veteran on March 3, 2007 at 10:34 PM

We are at war, and Ann is our Delta Force. Rush is the SEALS and we need to let them do their job, just like we do in conventional warfare.

Hooah! Go team!

csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Big difference between the two.
Rush uses wit and humor to bring people over the conservative side. I know many people who have “converted” because of Rush.
Ann uses wit and humor to make liberals froth at the mouth and serious conservatives cringe.

billy on March 3, 2007 at 10:38 PM

The point, partially, is that she chose a prestigious gathering of conservatives, including a number of Presidential candidates, to try to make a point in the crudest manner possible. Try all you want to justify it by saying we’re all too p.c. or we’re not deft enough to get it, etc. but to a majority of people calling someone a word that is commonly used as a slur is unacceptable at best. Would you be just as happy if Mitt had said it instead? She’s not your navy seal or any other ridiculous analogy, she one of the leading public faces of your party and it makes all conservatives look bad, as it made all libs look bad when they wish ill on the VP.
One of the things I appreciate(d) about Republican is they always were civil. How does this speak to civility? Would Reagan approve?

SouthernDem on March 3, 2007 at 10:41 PM

Will the last conservative here turn out the light?

jaleach on March 3, 2007 at 8:06 PM

“that’ll be me, cuz i’m the realest “real” conservative here. personally, i don’t care if cpac looks bad in the eyes of some rinos. they had 200 booths there and only a couple dozen or so were about rounding up the mexicans, packing them back into chicken trucks and sending them back to mexico where they can keep their aids to themselves. does that sound like any convention a real conservative would host? of course not. and if it weren’t for ann coulter’s awesome comment, there’d have been no one there even trying to alienate fags. not that that’s even what she did. how do we know she wasn’t being factual? can any of you rinos prove edwards isn’t a homo?”

–TheRealConservative

jummy on March 3, 2007 at 10:44 PM

Jummy, you weren’t at CPAC and you’re obviously an obnoxious tool. Now go away.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 10:50 PM

Bryan, if doing 3 threads on Ann and 1 on Maher (which is really a back door Ann thread) is your idea of how to beat the Left then you’ll have to explain the logic behind it to me because it is beyond my comprehension.

I’m no fan of Ann. I haven’t read any of her books. But it would be a cold day in Hell before she became the center of my attention if I were in your shoes.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2007 at 10:53 PM

I see, so it’s perfectly fine for Bill Maher to say…

MsUnderestimated on March 3, 2007 at 10:15 PM

“how come a liberal like the virginia aclu drector molest little kids, but if a republican tried to mollest little kids…”

The right has been pissed for a long time because those in the public eye haven’t been “fighting fire with fire,” …

it wasn’t “fighting fire with fire”. maher’s comments, like so many of his, were just as severe but remarkably different. when you wish death on an individual, you’ve assaulted that individual. when you insult an individual with a pejorative which profanes an entire population, you’ve dehumanized and insulted that entire population along with the specific individual you were attacking.

imagine if she were remarking that edwards was cheap and she called him a jew. that’s the severity of what coulter did, and none of us should be defending her.

jummy on March 3, 2007 at 10:54 PM

“that’ll be me, cuz i’m the realest “real” conservative here….

–TheRealConservative

jummy on March 3, 2007 at 10:44 PM

Yup. No doubt about it, jummy. When it comes to conservatism, you’re a regular “Yosemite Sam”.

Maybe you should shoot at my feet now and tell me to “BACK OFF, YA’ VARMIT!”

(Sorry, but I’m no Bugs Bunny. I can’t even speak with a Brooklyn accent.)

CyberCipher on March 3, 2007 at 10:56 PM

And I’m not saying that AC should be kicked out of the conservative movement.

Ah, well, never mind then. I thought that’s what you were dancing around. And the modesty card rings a little hollow.

As for the accusation that I’m writing about all this to win favor with the left…huh?

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 10:24 PM

FWIW, my point was not that you were trying to curry favor with the left but that in accepting the baseline that AC was a homophobe or actually hateful, there is an implicit admission that sizable portions of the right (e.g. the folks that laughed at the joke) were too. Your use of terms like “evidence” and “convict” sent my feelers up, since those are legal and definitive, as opposed to rhetorical. If AC’s statement is sufficient to convict, then the left’s stereotype of the right as bigoted is essentially correct.

I’m still not sure whether you believe the people that laughed at Ann’s comments are bigots or not.

spmat on March 3, 2007 at 10:58 PM

At the end of the day, did her comment help or hurt the conservative cause? That is the only question that matters. All the excuses and rationales are irrelevant. If a particular comment by a prominent conservative hurts the cause, then it doesn’t matter how well you convince yourself that it was really not offensive, or “we can do it because they do it,” or “nobody ever calls the liberals on it” or “the media’s biased.” None of that matters. Let’s only do things that advance our cause.

Coyote D. on March 3, 2007 at 10:59 PM

Jummy, you weren’t at CPAC and you’re obviously an obnoxious tool. Now go away.

Bryan on March 3, 2007 at 10:50 PM

bryan, of course i wasn’t at cpac. TheRealConservative was.

i hope you recognize that you’re going to get smeared as a phony rino by many here for arguing the only decent position on this whether you do so applying reason or mockery and shame. i’m choosing the latter because the problem is huge and we’re at a time here where the costs of alienating some thugs is low.

jummy on March 3, 2007 at 11:04 PM

I just threw in 100 bucks.

David Bonior
Campaign Manager
John Edwards for President

He may have taken OUT a hundred.

You guys are always underestimating Ann.
The more cash silky pony has, the more he can use that ill gotten gain to hack away at Hillbill and Obamanation.
I say, donate to Edwards and let him hack away.

Going to rehab for the faggot word is a poke at how thin skinned and hokey our politics has become.
It’s just far too easy to kill two or three birds with one stone for Ann when the target is no points Johnny.

Speakup on March 3, 2007 at 11:05 PM

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Great. So this means … I’m hired?

I mean, providing you won’t make me leave Alabama. I’d go broke if I had to pay DC-area cost of living. I was at CPAC and paid $4 for a cup of coffee!

Ali-Bubba on March 3, 2007 at 11:05 PM

And, what’s the big headline coming out of CPAC? Is it that Josh Sparling won a much-deserved award? Is it that conservatives remain committed to the war for freedom against terrorism? Is it that this post-blowout CPAC was the largest CPAC ever? Was it that I got to be on a teevee show?

Bryan, I love ya man. But you are an integral part of HOTAIR, and I don’t see most of these stories on your blog here. So I don’t really know why you are complaining.

Troy Rasmussen on March 3, 2007 at 11:06 PM

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