Baltimore Sun: Messiah’s ancestors owned slaves
posted at 10:27 am on March 2, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Excellent analysis at Newbusters, to which I don’t have much to add. The patronizing silver-lining quote from the U of M professor about this possibly “deepening” Obama’s connection to slavery rescues it from being the complete hit piece that the AP’s story about Romney’s family tree was. This is the fruit of a 20-month election cycle, I guess: moronic genealogical studies to uncover the sins of the candidates’ fathers. Now the mudslinging transcends centuries!
At the very least, it should add an interesting subtext to the “Who’s Blacker?” showdown in Selma this weekend between Barry O and Billy Jeff.
Here’s the clip at Comedy Central of Steven Colbert dismantling Debra Dickerson last month on the Report for arguing that Obama isn’t authentically black:
And here, via Hotline, is something that turned up on YouTube a few days ago. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s…
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Slavery and polygamy. This gives him a leg up on all the contenders.
The MSM will now declare slavery was a good thing.
Hillary’s people are furiously researching to find out if the Rodhams had any slaves.
JammieWearingFool on March 2, 2007 at 10:29 AM
Will Obama now pay reparations to himself?
JackM on March 2, 2007 at 10:31 AM
And yet they still ignore the current trafficking of people in Africa.
bbz123 on March 2, 2007 at 10:38 AM
That’s because they’re too busy “trafficking” African-Americans right here in the US. Democratic civil rights pimping at it’s most blatant!
It’ll be interesting to see ‘em jockey for position at the front of the line crossing the bridge. Wonder if there’ll be some intramural skull bashing this time around.
The Ritz on March 2, 2007 at 10:44 AM
Error 404 on the iFilm clip…but I did catch a funny Reno 911.
Tru2my2 on March 2, 2007 at 10:45 AM
I did have $5 before your people revoked my tax cuts.
wryteacher on March 2, 2007 at 10:46 AM
*THUD*
Clintonista Wrecking Ball.
fogw on March 2, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Oh yeah–my great grandfather owned mormon slaves! Can I run for Pres now?
robblefarian on March 2, 2007 at 10:49 AM
The mud is flying worse than ever and it’s for stuff these people don’t even have control over. How are they supposed to defend what their great great great grandparents did when they can’t even defend their own actions.
Ridiculous.
Benaiah on March 2, 2007 at 11:01 AM
Slavery always goes back to Islam. Why do Black Americans take Islamic names to get back to their “roots” when it was an Islamic slave trader that got them in the situation of their being here?
Islam is to slavery, what Walmart is to Chinese manufacturing.
Hening on March 2, 2007 at 11:12 AM
$5! $5!! I need to git me a big mac with that $5!
lorien1973 on March 2, 2007 at 11:14 AM
Do I need an account to view this story on newsbusters?
shooter on March 2, 2007 at 11:18 AM
For some time I have said that Americans choose which island to identify with:
Ellis Island is where many voluntary immigrants were processed into the US.
Isle de Gorée is where most of the involuntary immigrants were processed out of Africa. (”We didn’t land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on us!”)
Turtle Island is the name for North America that many tribes used. (”We didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us!”)
Colin Powell’s parents came from Jamaica; he is therefore ‘not black’. But it really doesn’t matter which island your ancestors came through, because if you were born here, you didn’t make any conscious choice to be here. Implicitly, by not choosing the Liberian Option, Goréeans are choosing to be Americans every bit as much as Ellisians.
Somehow, Condoleeza Rice (whose ancestors apparently came through Gorée) is not black, but Bill Clinton is. I can see her unwillingness to identify as a Goréean as making her an ‘adopted Ellisian’, but I don’t quite see how the Clenis got adopted into the Goréean tribe.
The Monster on March 2, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Huh? What interview were you watching. Debra puts it to Colbert several times. To quote her:
Dismantled Allah? Colbert gets undressed (an overstatement but I like the adjective) by losing his trademark deadpan delivery. Isn’t that his hallmark? The crux upon which his humor lies?
Just for the record Debra is right. Black defined by being in anyway African is a farce. Black is defined by history and culture, a history and culture that Obama does not share.
Theworldisnotenough on March 2, 2007 at 11:28 AM
AP, you’re going to be in the nuthouse by Halloween if the election cycle continues this way.
Number 2 on March 2, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Oh man! I’ve been hoping someone would find that Colbert video! Hilarious. And the best part is, that stereotypical condescending educated black woman thinks Colbert was being racist (because her type thinks everything is racist, and that blacks are incapable of racism), when in reality she’s the racist… and an idiot. She had no clue what was going on when he said she was judging blackness not on the color of someone’s skin, but on the content of their character… realizing Dr. King’s dream in a very special way. Of course the best was the line about Obama gaining street cred if he were to be enslaved for a while… basically he’s mocking the lady saying “well would you consider him black if he just had to be a slave for a little while?”
What’s odd, is at the same time she kind of does have a point… Barack wants to speak for American blacks, yet he didn’t live the traditional American black lifestyle… unless most blacks are raised by white grandparents in Hawaii, but my sources tell me that’s not the case. Honestly, he no more represents “blacks” than Trent Lott, yet his “blackness” is the only reason he’s anybody. If he were white we’d have never heard of him. He’s ridden this “black” thing to the top, without ever having to have substance.
As for the $5 video… am I the only one annoyed by the ebonics he’s attempting to speak “errbody hur ta pony up fi dollis!”… Wasn’t there already a video of him trying to “talk street” to the people? Or was that Kucinich?
RightWinged on March 2, 2007 at 11:42 AM
I think Teresa Heinz (the First Lady to Be formerly known as Teresa Heinz Kerry) delivered the death blow to this argument when she claimed to be African-American.
saint kansas on March 2, 2007 at 11:46 AM
That reminds me:
“Can I get me a huntin’ license here?”
saint kansas on March 2, 2007 at 11:48 AM
I thought Colbert killed her first with the MLK reference, and then by floating the remedial slavery trial balloon as a way of making Obama “realer”.
Kid from Brooklyn on March 2, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Hey buddy, you got $5? I need a smoke something fierce….
CBarker on March 2, 2007 at 11:50 AM
Does anyone doubt the strength of the Clinton campaign? In a few weeks Obama will be going door to door to sign up voters for Hillary.
She is NASTY!
right2bright on March 2, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Next week they will find someone who died of second hand smoke cancer in his family. The week after that they will find a distant relative in prison. The week after that they will find one of his roommates got kicked out of school for drugs. The week after that they will find another relative who dodged the draft. The week after that they will find Obama in the corner, in the fetal postition, crying like a baby.
Relentless is the word.
right2bright on March 2, 2007 at 12:28 PM
I’ve never watch colbert, but that guy has a quick wit. I loved how he stumped her on the whole “black is a culture, not a color” nonsence.
csdeven on March 2, 2007 at 1:09 PM
Well, I see your point, but if I were asked about my relatives, I’d ask the person if he had a relevant question.
csdeven on March 2, 2007 at 1:12 PM
You got to be kidding me!!?? It takes a comedy show to see the absurdity of this “not black” statement?
Last time I looked at a box of Crayola’s each crayon was a different color
Color this another hyphenated human-being-stupid-racist !
When did we have benchmarks to measure one race?
I can’t wait till aliens (from outta space, to be precise) land here and we all become human. Sheesh!
Kini on March 2, 2007 at 1:12 PM
If it is, it’s wrong. Black is a skin color. Anyone that says otherwise is a victim of PC.
If a white person has a black ancestor who was a slave then by your definition he is black. That’s just plain wrong.
csdeven on March 2, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Great article AP, liked the Newsbusters article as well.
I think we’d be hard pressed to find a candidate, in this day and age, that represents and understatnds what middle and lower class Americans truly experience.
As far as sins of the fathers, Just about everyone could find an instance of -ahem- moral ambiguity in their ancestry. How does what my great grandfather did determine my worthiness?
SouthernDem on March 2, 2007 at 1:24 PM
SouthernDem, exactly. Here’s a ‘clean campaign announcement’:
“Adam announced his run for the presidency. Eve, not having been created yet, wasn’t available for comment”.
Entelechy on March 2, 2007 at 1:30 PM
RE: Rightwinged.
(you are telling on yourself Rightwinged)
Excuse me? When did she in anyway indicate that she thought Black people were incapable of racism? Debra Dickerson clearly indicates the context in which she is speaking. The American political context. Listen to it again.
During the interview Colbert says:
“If you had not told me he was not Black I would have thought I was supporting a Black person then I would have thought I was supporting a Black person. And then I would have been supporting all Black people. But now I won’t because he’s not”
Um that’s racist. Since some commenters want to jump on the content of one’s character bandwagon there you go… Voting based on skin color is racist whether it is for or against. And Colbert validates Debra’s other salient point which is Obama’s blackness is a critique of white self-congratulation, hmmm. (Listen to it again) Look he’s Black voting for him will make us feel so good. The best example being sports media falling all over themselves pre Superbowl. The constant pandering was gross.
No kidding. Because Colbert didn’t have a clue, he was trying to make a joke. A joke that did not make semse. How is voting for someone because they are Black a realization Dr. King’s dream? It’s not which exactly why she called it perverted.
Theworldisnotenough on March 2, 2007 at 1:57 PM
So the point of all this is either
“Obama shamed by ancestors”
or
“Obama family rises from slave beginnings”
good grief.
bloviator on March 2, 2007 at 1:59 PM
Okay lets try reading comprehension 101. I stated:
You said:
Your definition of Black is skin color not mine. My definition is history and culture, get it?
Theworldisnotenough on March 2, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Exit question: Why is Obama’s “Blackness” important?
Theworldisnotenough on March 2, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Case in point, Tiger Woods. Clinton was considered the first black president, you may not think so, but poll the blacks and you will see, and he has no black ancestory. And it works the other way, many blacks adopted by white families do not identify with their black “brothers”. Do you think Thomas Sowell walks around saying he’s a brother. And we all know how a Judge Thomas and Condi (”she ain’t no black woman”) Rice is defined by her color.
right2bright on March 2, 2007 at 2:23 PM
My first response upon reading the “revelation” that Obama’s ancestors owned slaves was ‘well, duh.’
My second was to wonder which set of ancestors was being discussed.
baldilocks on March 2, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Theworldisnotenough, I started a lengthy response to you, but in the middle realized how silly you are so I’ll just leave you to it…
As for “telling on myself”… WTF? Are you insinuating that I’m a racist? I suspected one of “you people” would come with that sh**.
Yeah, I said “her type” and described her as the condescending educated black woman… I think everyone has encountered one of these bitchy black women with the “cultural” hair who think because they’ve got a college degree they’re above every white person they come across, and they view the world in terms of race (as she clearly does)… She doesn’t look at someone as an individual, she sees “white people” and oppression where it doesn’t exist. I’ve never heard of her before, but she comes off as a slightly nicer version of the Nation of Islam/Black Panther guys that occassionally show up on H&C calling Sean a “white devil” or insisting black people can’t be racist, etc. etc.
RightWinged on March 2, 2007 at 3:04 PM
“cultural” hair
RightWinged,
I’m not disagreeing with you, but I’m wondering why this phrase is included in your explanation.
Got a problem with naps?
baldilocks on March 2, 2007 at 3:18 PM
No, I don’t just mean “black people hair”… I’m talking about how it has to be styled in such a way that we know she’s really knows her black history and is connected with her African roots. She’s an annoying charicature. It’s like rich white college kids who dress like homeless people and have dread locks… they would say they just don’t care, but they are really working harder than everyone else to appear a certain way (then they climb in to the Land Rover daddy bought them for their birthday and head to the Mountain for the weekend.)
RightWinged on March 2, 2007 at 4:09 PM
I can hear B. Hussein Obama’s thoughts now.
So my people used to own….my people.
shooter on March 2, 2007 at 5:58 PM
I dislike this woman as much as you do, but what you said in this post was racist. Or at least prejudiced and stereotypical.
So any black person who lets their hair grow naturally (that type of hair style is called a natural) is suddenly a caricature?
Nonfactor on March 2, 2007 at 7:37 PM
I’m talking about how it has to be styled in such a way that we know she’s really knows her black history and is connected with her African roots.
RightWinged on March 2, 2007 at 4:09 PM
I’m not sure what this means in the context of your last two comments. How exactly should a black woman who has naturally nappy hair wear such and what does the style have to do with the political (or general) attitude of the woman in question? Or her education? Or her racism/lack of it? And what do white kids–most of whom don’t have nappy hair–have to do with the conversation at all?
The phrase seemed to indicate that you don’t care for the appearance of black women who don’t choose to emulate naturally straight-haired women in appearance. That’s fine, but it has absolutely no bearing on the attitude of the woman under the hair.
Signed,
A nappy-headed black conservative woman, who shaves her head nearly bald, but may grow some dreadlocks in the future just to defy yet another stereotype.
baldilocks on March 2, 2007 at 7:44 PM
I thought blacks in the South didn’t own slaves….So was public school lying to me all this time? Oh wait, that’s right….It was the North trying to justify their murderous rape of people and land of the South….
I’m still waiting for the text books to point out that one of the largest slave owners (3rd largest to be exact) in the Carolinas was black.
Tim Burton on March 2, 2007 at 7:58 PM
Colbert’s humorous approach is both tactful and full of wit. He seems to have gotten to DD’s core beliefs and even altered them to a degree. Simply genius.
sonnyspats1 on March 2, 2007 at 9:22 PM
It will be interesting to see who has the biggest draw Barry or Billy. What a witch crashing Barry’s party in Selma like that. I think it says alot for the inconsiderate egomaniac power mongering personality of Hitlery.
sonnyspats1 on March 2, 2007 at 9:28 PM
DIXIE’S CENSORED SUBJECT: BLACK SLAVEOWNERS
Tim Burton on March 2, 2007 at 11:37 PM
Why in Zia Zia Gabor’s handbag is this even an issue anymore? I mean I’d say at least 20% of the country has had both slaves and slaver owners in their gene pool
- The Cat
P.S. I still like Eva Gabor better.
MirCat on March 3, 2007 at 1:32 AM
My comments were only stereotypical, because this woman is a stereotype… not because of my feeling about any given black person.
You guys are all missing the entire point, I’m not saying anything about anyone’s “nappy” hair, and that wouldn’t even have been a word I would have ever thought to use to describe her hair because nappy has an entirely different image in my mind… But feel free to keep going on that “nappy” path that I never went on.
I’m talking about the stereotype that she is (See my full explanations above, like the rich white college kid determined to prove he’s not rich so he has to act like some grungy dreadlocked hippy wearing a Che shirt just so you know he’s as left as you can get, and so he can prove that he hates his parents’ wealth.) The hair is just one tiny part of her whole stereotypical behavior of one of these black women who has an attitude with every white person she encounters and is obsessed with “blackness” (it’s in the title of the book, and the whole discussion was about Barry not being black). She has to have that big attention grabbing fro, I’m sure she’s got a house full of African art to prove how in touch with her roots she is, etc. You guys are missing the entire point.
Back to the white college kid example… sometimes there is the occassional exception… the “chrunchy con”, but they are by far the exception, not the rule. Normally you see the kid and you can safely assume they’re going to be showing up at anti-war rallies and would jump at the opportunity to spray paint public property with “blood for oil” or “Bushitler”.
Now you guys can insist on focusing in on the hair and twist my words and call me a racist all you want, that’s fine..
I will however add that if you’re black then you haven’t lived “the white experience” and encountered condescending black people, usually women, who because they’re educated and have studied black history are obsessed with bringing it up constantly and talking down to every white person as if their condescending attitude is payback for some evils we’ve done to them. This woman’s whole image just goes along with it… the hair doesn’t actually have anything to do with it, other than this type of woman always feels the need to have the “cultural” hair to prove how in touch with her roots she is. The same way redneck’s complete the look with Calvin and Hobbs peeing sticker on their truck’s rear window, or gays have to have their little rainbow sticker, etc. The hair isn’t an insult, and there is nothing wrong with it. It’s just clear that the hair style is part of a conscious choice of showing off just how “black” she is… and part of the entire picture of what makes her obnoxious and racist herself, sense again, she isn’t a human or American first.. she’s “black” above all else.
But as I said, by all means, feel free to take it any way you like.
RightWinged on March 3, 2007 at 2:05 AM
I typed a lengthy response to both of you, but it hasn’t shown up… maybe it will later, but I’m not going to waste time retyping all of it again… Here’s the gist – You can extrapolate whatever you want from my comments to insinuate that what I said was racist, and think I was making racist comments about “nappy” hair (a word I never used, and I don’t even think accurately describes her hair)… The hair thing was really irrelevant, and I was only pointing out that the stereotype this woman chooses to make herself by making everything about race, defining herself by blackness, etc. etc. it’s always necessary for her type to do something with their hair to prove just how cultural and connected with their roots they are. I don’t even agree that it has anything to do with African roots, just like I don’t think hip-hop is “black culture”, but you know as well as I do that these stuck up condescending black women always have to make themselves stand out just so you know where they’re coming from.
In my lengthy reply I gave example such as rednecks always feeling it’s necessary to have the Calvin and Hobbs peeing sticker on their truck’s back window, or gays needing to sport their rainbow. It’s nothing about those individual displays, it’s just an obnoxious stereotype that they’re choosing to take part in. Or like the college kid who’s parents are filthy rich and he’ll probably spend the next 10 years in school living off of them, while looking like a scumbag hippy and wearing a Che shirt, showing up at anti-war rallies with a scarf wrapped around his head. These kids like to pretend they aren’t the rich kids they are and that they aren’t happy with their lives.. .then climb in their Volvo or Land Rover and head down to the mountain for a weekend of snowboarding with their new board and thousands of dollars in gear. I would make the same “cultural hair” comment as I saw one who decided to really “make a statement” by having his white kid dreadlocks (what I would actually call “nappy”), because it’s obnoxious that they can’t just be who they are, without having to make themselves look a certain way just so you can spot them a mile away. Sure there are exceptions like “crunchy cons”, but seeing some wannabe hippy rich white college kid sporting dreads just completes the package and makes you embarassed for them, because they are so lame for deliberately trying to fit the stereotype. This is all I was saying about this woman, and you guys latched on to this hair thing as if I’m here making fun of black people’s hair.
Well, that ran on a little longer than I expected, but whatever… hopefully this one (and the earlier one) show up.
RightWinged on March 3, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Now the first one (2:05am) shows up.
RightWinged on March 3, 2007 at 11:29 AM
It’s just clear that the hair style is part of a conscious choice of showing off just how “black” she is… and part of the entire picture of what makes her obnoxious and racist herself,
It is? I thought it was this:
you guys latched on to this hair thing as if I’m here making fun of black people’s hair.
Who said anything about “making fun?” You said that “cultural” hair (which I took to mean “nappy” hair) was one racism that some educated black women have towards whites. That opinion is not you “making fun” of the hair.
I guess I’m just astonished that you view a black woman who wears her hair in its existential state and picks a method of styling it which is conducive to that state as something political.
twist my words and call me a racist all you want, that’s fine..
See? You automatically assume that you’re being called a racist; what’s that about? And no one twisted your words; we just don’t understand *why* hair is part of the package that you described. The texture of one’s hair is something with which he/she is born.
BTW, white kids w/ dreadlocks do not have nappy hair–the term does not mean “uncombed.”
baldilocks on March 3, 2007 at 12:51 PM
baldilocks, you’re still doing it, you’re spinning and nitpicking at individual points while ignoring my larger point that I THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED. And nonfactor came about as close to calling my comments racist as possible, and you’ve clearly insinuated it.
You’re clearly not reading my comments, based on the fact that you’re still talking about “texture” of hair… Where did I say anything about that? It’s a style, but again it has nothing to do with the larger point, it’s just the cherry on top. As I THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED, there are so many different groups of people who feel the need to sport some kind of hair style or dress a certain way just to prove what they’re all about. I feel that she chooses this big poofy fro because it’s part of that whole “culture”… But I don’t even care, YOU’RE OBSESSED WITH THE HAIR. I just pointed out how it’s just part of the stereotype that her type insists on applying to themselves. Sure, there are plenty of other people who may just like the hairstyle, but like a gay who needs to have a rainbow sticker on his car, etc. in my opinion she chooses to have this hairstyle specifically because it goes along with the whole persona. I’m kind of surprised she’s not wearing an African style necklace, and any other number of the items and styles she needs to prove just how black and in touch with her African roots she is? You telling me you’ve never encountered someone who is obsessed with “blackness” and “black history” and lives there life around it? Clearly you have, and I think we can agree that this woman is one of them. But more often than not, these type of people need to have hair and clothing that makes them stand out in a crowd, not because it’s just something that comes naturally to them considering they grew up in the same cities as the rest of us, but because they need to make sure everyone sees them and knows what they’re about.
(Here’s the part where you still ignore that I drew parallels explaining how this has nothing to do “race” outside of the fact that the “hair” is one component of the self-imposed stereotype of people belonging to the group this woman does. Other groups have their own. And I don’t think (even though you do) that her hair is nappy nor do I have a problem with the “texture”, and I don’t even think it looks bad. It just goes along with her whole “image”. Others can have it and not be the same type of person, it’s not like it’s a gang symbol… and there are plenty of other styles, it’s not just a specific style… it’s just the big poof thing… She could do the two big cone things, she could have wrapped it in some “African-style” design piece of cloth, etc. It doesn’t matter, there’s nothing wrong with it… All I’m saying is she makes a conscious effort to do it, among other things, to be that stereotype and it’s obnoxious, the same way it is for other types. It’s no different than (as I’ve explained extensively) hippy college kids, or how about the “goth” kids in high school, etc.
But again, this is where you come in and ignore everything and totally misinterpret everything I’ve said, even though you know you’re choosing to selectively quote me to support your argument, and ignoring my point which wasn’t even intended to be “a point”, just a passing mention of something.
RightWinged on March 3, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Well then, you are a victim of PC.
csdeven on March 3, 2007 at 6:01 PM
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