CO2 is a heavy gas, heavier than O2 or N2. CO2 falls to the floor. CFCs are even heavier than that and not just a little, but a lot lot heavier. There is absolutly no way (save The F.. I mean John Edwards in space) could they travel up through the various atmopheric layers to make it to the Ozone layer to break it down.

- The Cat

P.S. The why they came up with it is another story

verifiable from this pdf. — Ian

Ian… there is no link to a pdf.

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet’s recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human- induced—cause, according to one scientist’s controversial theory.

It goes on to say:

Abdussamatov’s work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists.

:-)!

The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude

No, this is not the home of some eccentrically wealthy eco-freak trying to shame his fellow citizens into following the pristineness of his self-righteous example. And no, it is not the wilderness retreat of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, a haven where tree-huggers plot political strategy.

Go figure, eh?

Ladies and Gentlemen! Comrades!
Climate change is a modern-day equivalent of class struggle. Global Warming is an easily understood, historically inevitable concept in Marxist Science designed to help the Party to crush capitalism and fulfill mankind’s utmost desire to redistribute wealth and establish a centralized global government with an army of enlightened bureaucrats running a planned global economy based on world-wide quotas and five-year plans.

In the absence of classical Marxist preconditions for the Revolution – global crisis of capitalism combined with massive poverty and despair – Global Warming stands out as the most convenient, non-denominational replacement thereof. It provides both the means to manipulate the masses – and a moral justification for doing so. As such it replaces the previously promising but failed agitprop tools as “Overpopulation,” “Ozone Holes,” “Global Famine,” and “Ice Age 2.” Until the time when it gets replaced by another convenient agitprop tool, Global Warming must remain an unquestionable dogma in all political discussions (you shall be notified of changes, if any, by the NPR, the New York Times, and other progressive media organs.)

The importance of Global Warming for the Revolution is too great to leave it in the hands of scientists. The masses must believe that it is beneficial to have faith in Global Warming whether it can be proven or not. If Global Warming didn’t exist it would be necessary to invent it.

Does this need investigating? If not, can we not put our heads together to come up with something similar and become the HA genius rich kids? We can ‘save the planet’ from something…

The biggest hypocrisy is their preaching modesty, anti-capitalism, reduced consumption to all others, anti-Americanism, anti-production, etc. while they stuff their pockets with all of it. Ah, the wine is expensive and good, and Messrs Soros and Gore:

Allons voir, oui, oui, oui,
Allons voir, non, non, non,
Allons voir si le vin est bon.

Is buying carbon offsets just a way for the greens to infiltrate big business and force them to conform to liberal agendas and ideals? I think it is.

BelchSpeak on March 2, 2007 at 12:25 PM

This is scary and looks so familiar with the Jesse Jackson anti-corporation tactics of the last few years.

AP, watch out – Mr. Trump:

“Absolutely, we I could take her him out”

Buzzy on March 2, 2007 at 12:58 PM

They are not planting trees, that is the point. It is for future “offsets” that is why they cannot determine the “offset”.

As Wimpy said:

I will pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

or the bumper sticker on a car: (name of bar) Free beer tomorrow.

Like most liberal ideas, they are undefinable.

It fits the whole socialist mentality, though. Only an evil capitalist would consider earning money by providing goods and services to willing consumers at a high value and a fair price. Far better to get them to give you their money without having to work earn it (such as with taxes or carbon-offset scams).

It fits the whole socialist mentality though. Only an evil capitalist would think that money should be made by providing goods and services to consumers at high value and a fair price. Far better to get people to give you money without having to do anything to earn it (such as through taxes or carbon-offset scams).

Watch carefully as I demonstrate. I have a twenty dollars bill in my left pocket….. I take it out…. and put it in my right pocket. Transaction complete ! See, buying carbon offsets is much easier than you thought !

Hopefully that’s enough to throw this in:

http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/7/1/90017117.html

It doesn’t matter if the companies plant the trees or not. It only matters if people PAY them to plant the trees.

Let me sum up why this information is so damaging to Gore. This information basically confirms that Gore has been marketing Global Warming as a way to convince people to buy carbon offsets or solicit from eco-friendly companies, all of which Gore’s hedge fund has a stake in. The Securities and Exchange Commission forms don’t lie, even though Gore might. There is no way to rebut these facts:

1. Gore’s hedge fund invests in “eco-friendly” companies.

2. Gore has been flying around the world telling everyone to use eco-friendly things that those companies make, or to buy “carbon offsets” from those “eco-friendly” companies.

3. When people buy carbon offsets or shop at Whole Foods (as an example), those companies selling the carbon offsets, or Whole Foods, make money. Gore’s hedge fund, as an investor, gets a part of that profit.

4. Gore ALSO makes money because he’s Chairman of the investment manager to his hedge fund, which probably takes a 2.00% management fee plus a performance fee of 20% or so (standard in the hedge fund industry).

These facts basically confirm that Gore is a snake-oil salesman.

Yep… cause we all know the scientific debate is over!

Sydney Carton on March 2, 2007 at 12:38 PM

Actually he is buying from his own company. The trees are reported to be for “cleaning” the air of CO2, hence they should not be cut down.
And it is accepted by many people, that is why he is traipsing around the globe.
You are correct in saying there is no money in planting trees, good call. That moves the idea into the “Ponzi scheme” scenerio, which is illegal.

You’re half right. It’s not about Gore telling the companies how to operate. It’s about his investment management business making a lot of money by ensuring that those companies have steady cash flow. Those companies that his funds invest in are sold to Mom and Pop America as “clean” companies, in the hope that they’ll be given more business, and hence, his fund will make more of a profit becase his funds are investors in those companies. This has nothing to do with Gore “buying” from himself. It has everything to do with convincing Mom and Pop America to buy carbon offsets from companies, or to solicit only “clean” businesses that Gore’s hedge fund just happens to own, so he can make a nice profit. Selling carbon offsets is just another product that Gore happens to have a stake in.