Esmay and Sullivan: A Party of Two

posted at 9:13 pm on February 28, 2007 by Bryan

Dean Esmay and Andrew Sullivan want different things, but neither has the credibility to make any of the demands either makes, so they might as well get together and form their own party.

First, Sullivan, who thinks he can tell the “religious right” (but not the “religious left,” of course) what Jesus would do. Hold on, religious righties, because Sullivan’s just going to rock your world with his unassailable logic. In a post about “dirty bomb” suspect Jose Padilla:

The latest. The question seems to be whether his inability to answer questions is a function of allegedly reading an al Qaeda training manual (no evidence has been brought that connects him to one), or whether he has been so traumatized by imprisonment that he cannot speak. This may not even be evidence of torture. It may be the consequence of years in a blacked-out isolation cell with no confidence that he would ever see a day in court. This is not merely a function of the sadism at Gitmo. It is a real problem across the U.S. prison system – a system that cries out for reform. Memo to the religious right: if you want to improve your reputation and follow Jesus, campaign for prison reform. It’s what Jesus really would do.

The funny thing is, we have a record of Jesus did do. It’s called the Gospels, which form part of the New Testament, a series of books that Sullivan claims allegiance to even while he openly rejects a great deal of it. And according to the record we have, prison reform, while laudable, must have come in a distant second to, you know, reconciling mankind with God. But hey, maybe Sullivan is right. Maybe it was on the divine to-do list. Right after getting the Roman senate to adopt Kyoto.

The Party of Two’s next charter member is Dean Esmay. When he isn’t busy launching ill conceived attacks on fellow bloggers, he’s busy launching ill conceived attacks on the entire conservative movement. Of which he isn’t and has never been a member. But you’re just supposed to forget that and see him as the second coming of William F. Buckley:

Back in the 1950s William F. Buckley Jr. conducted a purge in the ranks of his young publication, The National Review. He was running a conservative publication at a time when conservative publications were not respected and were thus by nature low-circulation. In those circumstances it would be hard to stand on principal and refuse to associate with certain parties who might provide short-term gain.

Buckley refused to align his publication with elements on the right that were excessively hateful, rabidly racist, or just plain nuts. The whole thing came to a head when Buckley one day drew a line in the sand:

You could either be a John Birch Society supporter, or you could write for the National Review.

Esmay moves from there to a classic leftist tactic, the ideological purge. Only, he’s trying to purge that part of the conservative movement that sees in Islam elements that are incompatible with the Western notions of life. Like, you know, not rioting over a bunch of cartoons. And not threatening writers with execution for blasphemy. So he drafts a set of bullet points with which you must agree or…I guess, stop reading his lousy blog.

Simply put, you must agree withto all of the following assertionsassumptions:

1) Islam does not represent the forces of Satan or the Anti-Christ bent on destruction of the Christian world.

2) There is no 1,400 year old “war with the West/Christianity” being waged by Muslims or anyone else.

3) Islam as a religion is no more inherently incompatible with modernity, minority rights, women’s rights, or democratic pluralism than most religions.

4) Medieval, anachronistic, obscure terms like “dhimmitude” or “taqiyya” are suitable for polite intellectual discussion. They are not and never will be appropriate to slap in the face of everyday Muslims or their friends.

5) Muslims have no more need to prove that they can be good Americans, loyal citizens, decent people, or enemies of terrorism than anyone else does.

Is this a test of “ideological purity?”

Why yes. Yes it is.

Actually, it’s more a test of ideological assininity than anything else. Take point 1, for example. Name a credible conservative blog that runs around claiming anything like that. That point is made of straw. Take point 2. He really ought to ask Osama bin Laden, who pines for Andalusia in his screeds against us. Or he could study the spread of Islam across the Middle East. Or just look at what’s happening to Christians right now in the Palestinian territories, the Sudan, Pakistan, even Somalia before the Ethiopians moved in and crushed the Islamists who were running that show. Asking bloggers to swear fealty to that point without engaging the possibility that there is in fact such a war going on is just aiming at the wrong target. Point 3 is, to put it mildly, based on ignorance of the latter half of the Koran. It’s based on wishful thinking. It’s also based on the assumption that religions even want to be “compatible with modernity,” an ever-shifting standard that is in fact no standard at all. Religions seek to be compatible with their understanding of God, not Dean Esmay’s notions of what’s cool this week. To the extent that modernity influences Islam, it’s to cause friction and an Islamic reformation that looks nothing like the Protestant Reformation, because the Koran’s second half reads nothing like the New Testament, and because the jihadis have the credible threat of violence against everyone else working for them. Esmay should read up on Sayyid Qutb some time. Point 4…what? You can use those terms but you can’t use them? You can use them when Dean says it’s ok, but when he doesn’t, you’d better watch out pal or that self-described liberal will write you out of the conservative movement a second time! Or even a third! Point 5, well, when Tulsa mosques chase out a guy for speaking out against terrorism, when groups like CAIR have been connected by convictions to Hamas, and when we all remember images of everyday Muslims dancing in the streets on 9-11, well, it wouldn’t hurt for a few Muslims to go the extra mile and at least stop trying to use our courts to get captured terrorists freed from Gitmo. Doncha think?

Here’s the thing, Dean. William F. Buckley had the credibility to write the Birchers out of the conservative movement for two reasons. First, he was right and they were wrong, on the facts. Second, he was William F. Buckley, a man of letters who was a real, bona fide leader of a movement on the move. Dean, you’re just a mid-level blogger. You don’t lead anything. You’re not a conservative. And you’re wrong on the facts and blind to how wrong you are. So you won’t be reading anyone out of any movement any time soon. Though you do seem to have read a couple of writers off your blog.

Oh, back to Andrew for a moment. Jose Padilla has been found competent to stand trial. I just thought you’d want to know.

Sullivan and Esmay, party of two. Your table is ready.

More: To be clear, Esmay obviously has the right to read people off his blog if that’s what he wants to do. But comparing himself to Buckley in doing so is assinine. Buckley made an important contribution to the national discourse by reading the cranks out of conservatism. Liberalism could benefit from a Buckley today, incidentally. Dean is actually reading people off his blog (not a great political movement, just a blog) who probably have a greater understanding of the issues at hand than he does. And his bullet points are full of, well, holes. It’s just his usual Islamophobia extremism, in which he battles gigantic straw windmills and can’t back up the charges he hurls at other bloggers.


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Awww c’mon, it’s not like Bostonians could get sick from something people put in the water supply or anything…

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Obama said today that he does NOT support an Independet Counsel being appointed for ANY of the scandals….

The bottom line is if Holder des not call for an Independent Counsel it will NOT HAPPEN, they will be able to get away with all of it, & there is nothing anyone can do about it.

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

MY Preezy? If he’s mine, he’s just as much yours, isn’t he? Or when did I become a fan of Obama, in your mind?

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

:) not yours as in ‘you voted for him’ :), of course not… ‘your preezy’ (and mine too, I suspect, but then I’m in denial :) as in your (and our) collective curse…but only for 2 more years or so…I’m looking fwd to the last two lame duck years of his preezydency…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I think Jon Stewart needs to add to that skit decrying government incompetence highlighted on the Internet a day or two ago.

This is the stuff government needs to be worrying about. Not people wearing “Don’t Tread on Me” shirts.

WTH is going on in this administration.

BuckeyeSam on May 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Obama’s administration / term in office so far:

FAILURE & SCANDAL!

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Brat, great find. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

INCOMPETENCE is the hallmark of this administration. Starting in the Oval Office.

GarandFan on May 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

The U.S. Marshal Service has been “unable to locate” two former participants in the federal Witness Security Program “identified as known or suspected terrorists,” states the public summary of an interim Justice Department Inspector General’s report obtained by CNN

Only credible option: crowdsource.

Names, photos, known acquaintences and known addresses.

Time to take your lumps with the rest of them, US Marshalls.

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 2:12 PM

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I hope and pray, most earnestly, that the last years are mired in controversy and scandal….and a painful inability to accomplish much of anything, I prepare for a “good” 2014.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

“The inspector general’s office says some in the witness protection program who were on the government’s no-fly list were allowed to board commercial flights.”

Well why not? It’s not like they were planning on praying the rosary in front of a Planned Parenthood Clinic or something terroristy like that.

Lily on May 16, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Obama’s administration / term in office so far:

FAILURE & SCANDAL!

Hmmm, scandal has been a feature of many a president’s second term, even if it boiled over from the first.

Maybe a president should only serve one term. That makes for more than enough potential scandal.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The DoJ also failed to update the Terrorist Screening Center, which runs the no-fly lists

{facepalm}

socalcon on May 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I didn’t know about the IG REPORT…(of course, knowing about what the IRS was doing is another story…)

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

MAYBE we just shouldn’t elect inexperienced Communist-tutored (Frank Marshall Davis) hate-spewing racist Communist-based Black Liberation theology pastor-mentored (Wright), Socialist Ideologist-quoting (Saul Alinsky) Community Organizers as President, especially one who plans to put a scndal-plagued Eric Holder in charge of the DOJ & a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury?! Just saying…

easyt65 on May 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I hope and pray, most earnestly, that the last years are mired in controversy and scandal….and a painful inability to accomplish much of anything, I prepare for a “good” 2014.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Same here…methinks we are getting a preview of how his last two tears in office will look like…good news is that by then his political capital would have been spent and exhausted, so that his lame duck years will be even lamer…all these scandals will take a toll which makes me really optimistic about 2014…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

MAYBE we just shouldn’t elect inexperienced Communist-tutored (Frank Marshall Davis) hate-spewing racist Communist-based Black Liberation theology pastor-mentored (Wright), Socialist Ideologist-quoting (Saul Alinsky) Community Organizers as President, especially one who plans to put a scndal-plagued Eric Holder in charge of the DOJ & a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury?! Just saying…

No we shouldn’t have. But Barry was the perfect stooge at the perfect time for this job. His election was carefully coordinated by a crafty organization and abetted by the LSM. It was certainly an effort he could have never have hoped to coordinate on his own.

A mastermind he is not.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Awww c’mon, it’s not like Bostonians could get sick from something people put in the water supply or anything…

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water.

JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

And don’t they perform daily water test/analysis anyways? you’d think that a basic test would reveal the chemicals that are not supposed to be in there, especially if they are in lethal quantities…it’s not quite the Middle Age with the Borgias or the Medicis poisoning the water wells of their enemies :)…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Probably placed them in a munitions factory…no one would ever look there…

right2bright on May 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM

government is good for you! let’s make it bigger!!

Sachiko on May 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Isn’t keeping track of terrorists racist or something?

We’ll have to wait till they join a tea party. Then they’ll find them for sure.

PattyJ on May 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The Justice Department’s inspector general says the department failed to provide the names of some terrorists in the witness protection program to the government’s Terrorist Screening Center.The center maintains the watch list that’s used to keep dangerous people off airline flights. …

Which name: their original one, or the one they use in the WPP?
Or the false one they are going to use once they get fake documents?

AesopFan on May 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM

It’s all a conspiracy to deny Hillary her turn at the wheel. Dirty Mysogynysts.

abobo on May 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…
 
JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

 
And don’t they perform daily water test/analysis anyways? …
 
jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM

 
The problem is that any highly-public “attack” would close smaller/on-site reservoirs until they could be tested, drained, cleaned, tested again, verified, etc. Then the equipment. Then the distribution system (the comical part is realizing where the water from the flushed lines would go.)
 
The country re-elected Obama. It’s not a stretch that many or most of them would think one gallon of ________ in a 100 million gallon tank would kill them.

rogerb on May 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM

There are two ways to go after a reservoir.

First is the water, but that hasn’t been treated yet so you are unlikely to do much there.

Second is the dam, which is an earthen dike for the Quabbin Reservoir.

I have a t-shirt around here someplace that says: ‘There is no problem that can’t be solved with the suitable application of high explosives.’

ajacksonian on May 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

“Man arrested at Boise Bench home on terrorism charges…

BOISE — Federal agents have arrested 30-year-old Fazliddin Kurbanov, who was living at a Boise Bench home, as part of a federal terrorism investigation.

The U.S. Attorney says federal terrorism charges were filed Thursday afternoon in Boise and Salt Lake City, Utah.

Kurbanov is an Uzbekistan national and is legally in the United States.

Kurbanov has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Boise on three counts; one count of conspiracy to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, one count of conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and one count of possessing an unregistered destructive device.

A federal grand jury in Salt Lake City also returned an indictment charging Kurbanov with one count of distribution of information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction.

Government officials say this arrest was the culmination of an investigation by the FBI’s Salt Lake Division, which covers Idaho and Utah; and Joint Terrorism Task Forces in Idaho and Utah, which include a number of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.

Federal agents have been closely monitoring Kurbanov’s activities for any potential threat….

KTVB has learned that Kurbanov has a police record here in Idaho. He was pulled over for traffic violations in three different Idaho counties over the past two years.”

http://www.ktvb.com/news/FBI-conducts-investigation-on-Boise-bench-207753341.html

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

To be fair, “attacking” a reservoir is massive undertaking…It’s not exactly like you are putting cyan!de into Aunt Esther’s lemonade. Any adulteration involves a massive volume of chemicals and an equally complex means to mix those chemicals into a fairly substantial volume of water. – JFKY on May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Large amounts of ricin can be fairly easily made, radioactive isotopes in even modest amounts can be detected, and botulin is extremely toxic in small amounts. The entire reservoir need not be made highly lethal; detections of toxicity need only be high enough to close down the reservoir for some time and cause fear or even panic. That’s what terror is about.

Of course, these foreign Muslims from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore were trespassing in the middle of the night only for the purposes of making observations of the water supply for their “education and career interests” , and they are not (as the media is making a point of) known to be connected to criminal groups. So nothing to worry about, move along unless you’re a greasy racist Islamophobe.

Chessplayer on May 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

The picture in the caption is priceless and says it all!

rjoco1 on May 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Just as Ed used the word “unexpected” for months (years?) regarding the growth in unemployment, perhaps the word “Incompetent” should be used with this administration every time one of these incredible messups occurs. It’s time that the truth be told – either this administration is really into “changing America as we know it” – that is, changing America to a hunting ground against decent Americans or it is incredibly incompetent and the word must be used.

Who else is getting their phone tapped?

MN J on May 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Hello all

can someone tell me what this triple face palm photo is from. I just noticed it reoccurs, anyone?

Thanks in advance.

Observation on May 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

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