Slapfight: LGF vs. Digg; Update: Diggers burying Michelle’s posts as “spam”
posted at 5:23 pm on February 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Even a blog titan like CJ doesn’t have enough troops to win this war, but his cause is noble (if, alas, lost). We installed the new Digg button here a few days ago on his advice, but haven’t had much success with it. He’s had great success with it at LGF, with posts appearing regularly now on Digg’s front page — and then promptly buried by the overwhelmingly liberal readership over there.
I’ve asked you guys before to make more of an effort at Digging stuff, but honestly, I think we’re past the tipping point now to make a difference on that site. Please do go over and read/Digg Charles’s post about all this, though; it’d be nice to get that one on Digg’s front page and make it stick for awhile. And follow his link about “Digital Maoism.” It’s heady stuff for a Saturday afternoon, but very important.
Update: See Ace’s last update. The screenshot is priceless.
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Digg is a lost cause. It’s full of emo 20-somethings who think, by virtue of being on Digg & liberal, that they are enlightened and more educated than the rest of us.
p0s3r on February 24, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Well, I’ve been making a hairy nuisiance over at Digg by pointing out how the Digg kiddies [aka. Diggerals] have worked overtime to stifle the Michelle Malkin stories there in a most ignoble fascist manner, yet they seem to have no shame.
Occams Razor suggests that their liberal education is to blame.
DannoJyd on February 24, 2007 at 5:47 PM
There is just no way that any ‘voting’ method involving the web is not going to be abused. people here, right-wingers, conservatives, atheists, typically follow the rules. On the left rules are for chumps.
Limerick on February 24, 2007 at 5:48 PM
It was an interesting reaction.
Seems like most of us on the ‘right’ side of the spectrum would tolerate stories we didn’t agree with, like dailykos, and not try to bury them.
Yet anything conservative that was noticed got buried, because:
a. The lefties don’t want to see it
b. They don’t want anyone else to see it.
c. and they seem vehement about it.
I have to wonder if there were ‘bots involved?
rockhauler on February 24, 2007 at 5:53 PM
Another fine example of ruling, in this case deciding, by polls. I am tired of polls say this, polls say that. I could care less about digg and what is there. I know where to read what I wish to read and if anything is really news worthy I don’t need digg and a lot of pimple faced kids voting on what to have posted. Digg this!
Wade on February 24, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Charles is fighting to help Digg become more fair and thus more widely accepted. But I wouldn’t bother. That’s Digg’s problem, not Charles’.
I see these “Digg This” buttons on blogs, but I never click on them. Why should I? It’s not my job to point people at stories. Unless Digg is giving me money, I see no reason to expend any effort improving their web site’s content.
sandberg on February 24, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Wade on February 24, 2007 at 6:03 PM
I’ve started digging the posts on here that have been dug since you installed the new button. I’m too lazy to submit my own though.
starflyer on February 24, 2007 at 6:06 PM
I have to admit, i had forgotten about digg until the new buttons appeared here and on LGF. Since the buttons appeared, i’ve made a conscious effort to digg all the stories i like. Yes, the free speech loving liberals will bury any story that even looks like it might be conservative, and they will digg down any conservative commentors, but it’s still to fun to go there and watch them get their panties in a wad and show their hypocritical colors. So i hope Hot Air and LGF keep the new buttons because i think it’s still worthwhile.
forged rite on February 24, 2007 at 6:07 PM
Wade & Sandberg, you guys got it wrong. Digging stories on your favorite blogs, helps the blogs get more readership. I digg everything on the blogs I peruse.
p0s3r on February 24, 2007 at 6:08 PM
Isnt just digg almost every internet site from Youtube to Yahoo and Google are run by the leftie goons who sit on their computers every hour of every day and run the internet from their mommies basement.
William Amos on February 24, 2007 at 6:09 PM
I gave up on Digg months ago. Too useless for right minded thinkers.
KCtheKat on February 24, 2007 at 6:12 PM
With all due respect to CJ, I don’t get the value of Digg. If you’re internets-savvy enough to access Digg, you’ve probably already heard of LGF and either hate or love him and a Digg rating won’t make anyway.
What we need is a service that willpoint out interesting stories to consevative/libertarian minded people.
WE could call it, oh I don’t know, Instapundit or something…
billy on February 24, 2007 at 6:13 PM
Wade and sandberg, OK. We get it. You refuse to participate in the effort to get out the news that apparently has a more conservative slant aince the liberal media rarely reports these items.
What will you become involved in? Will you at least vote in 08, or is that too much of a bother as well?
I’m just saying …
DannoJyd on February 24, 2007 at 6:15 PM
By the way, I’m not arguing against using Digg, but I don’t bother, myself. If you want to, go for it.
sandberg on February 24, 2007 at 6:20 PM
I did my part.
Do you think those morons realize the internet was invented for the Defense Department?
Zorro on February 24, 2007 at 6:20 PM
Digg commands enormous traffic. If right-wing blogs could break through there consistently, it would expand our audiences consideably.
Allahpundit on February 24, 2007 at 6:22 PM
Yeah, I vote.
Yeah, but Digg’s model is inherently flawed, as we’re seeing. So why help promote a flawed method of disseminating news?
At the moment, Instapundit’s site meter is more important to right-wing media than Digg is. If Digg somehow becomes the new media standard, then sure, I’ll click on Digg links. But that hasn’t happened yet, and I don’t see any compelling reason for me to expend effort helping make that happen.
sandberg on February 24, 2007 at 6:25 PM
Who knew?
I’ll start Digg-ing stories I like.
Just out of curiosity, which is better: a Drudge link or a Digg recommendation?
billy on February 24, 2007 at 6:26 PM
It all depends where on the page Drudge links you. Nothing beats a link at the top of Drudge, but honestly, Digg is making gains so rapidly that sooner or later it’ll be worth more traffic-wise.
Allahpundit on February 24, 2007 at 6:29 PM
Even a right-winger like myself uses digg quite often. Somethimes I’ll comment on something, say, anti-Bush…and put the liberal-article agree-ers in their place….nicely of course…and I wll always get “dugg down” for it…
But the traffic a site like Digg, especially if you make it to the top page…and even MORE especially if you make their top ten list on the right side of the page…is astronimical. Many sites have to be mirrored because they can’t handle the ensuing traffic.
JetBoy on February 24, 2007 at 6:29 PM
Digging a story requires one mouse click, that’s it. It doesn’t get anywhere near expending effort.
forged rite on February 24, 2007 at 6:38 PM
For a small blog like JYB it can make a huge difference even if you don’t get on the front page. If I ever get around to sprucing the site up I’ll put the buttons in and digg every post–even if I never bother to actually use digg myself.
see-dubya on February 24, 2007 at 6:39 PM
I don’t really understand how it works, but according to CJ, anything that is remotely conservative get “buried” almost immediately. It sounds a bit like the U.N. Security Council - too many anti-Americans with veto power. How do we fight that?
RedWinged Blackbird on February 24, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Unless of course you’re posting it yourself. But that still doesn’t reach the level of expending effort.
forged rite on February 24, 2007 at 6:40 PM
I just registered and Digg-ed several stories ( and voted to bury several from ThinkProgress.com, fair is fair) and it only took a couple of minutes.
“Expending effort” doesn’t really apply.
billy on February 24, 2007 at 6:49 PM
Actually, LGF did fairly well there until these cretins started in.
DannoJyd on February 24, 2007 at 6:51 PM
From most of the comments here, it’s no suprise the liberals are “controlling” the digg stories. Come on!…Either we just don’t want to take the time, or think it’s going to get buried anyway, or it’s too much of a burden…
If us righties want to balance-out the lefites on Digg, then let’s get to it! All you have to do is hit that Digg button…and give the reply-ers a digg-up too…
JetBoy on February 24, 2007 at 6:52 PM
OHHHHH. That’s what the “Digg This” links are for!
You know I’ve never clicked on them simply because I never really paid attention to them or knew what they did… Hmmm, never really cared enough to find out either.
But sure, I’ll click them when I see them for interesting stories.
Jones Zemkophill on February 24, 2007 at 7:18 PM
Wait… WHAT? You have to register your E-mail address with them to make your click count?
The Hell with that!
I’m not going to go through the 4 minutes of trouble necessary to create a clean temporary MSN Mail account just so I can register with a site that is heavy with democrats.
Jones Zemkophill on February 24, 2007 at 7:28 PM
Digglesworth!!!
PinkyBigglesworth on February 24, 2007 at 7:36 PM
OK, I just registered (I’m a 29-year-old female from Armenia) and “buried” everything on the first 10 pages that looked remotely liberal. Hope that helps.
RedWinged Blackbird on February 24, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Next go through all the stories here and click the Digg button. Once you’re registered it just takes a second.
billy on February 24, 2007 at 7:41 PM
If you had any doubts about the political leanings of most digg readers, the results of a digg presidential poll should clear them up.
forged rite on February 24, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Actually, there are a few stories here that I don’t particularly Digg, especially all the video game crap. Until today, I thought this blog was for grownups. All the same, I’ll Digg the posts that are worthwhile.
RedWinged Blackbird on February 24, 2007 at 7:48 PM
I’m not surprised by this. The same thing happens at Libi-pedia, er - Wikipedia. The liberal bias there is awful, also.
Liberal Bias at Wikipedia (NewsBusters, 2/5/07)
DPierre on February 24, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Umm, That’s what I meant.
billy on February 24, 2007 at 7:56 PM
I’ve done my part and continue to do it, not that it is any of you concern. You want to critize someone make a blog and DIGG it, because one way or another I don’t give a damn.
Just saying…
Wade on February 24, 2007 at 8:24 PM
For smaller Republican bloggers like myself, Digg has worked well… at least over the last few days that I’ve used it.
I guess it’s because it’s good enough to get some diggs and increase my traffic but not big enough to warrant the lefty eye-pokers.
-boy would I kick someone in the huevos to have a problem with my articles being buried from the Digg top list.
Opinionnation on February 24, 2007 at 8:31 PM
I would be interested in some more decisions you make on who is right or wrong. We may not agree on something like DIGG but that sounds like a narcissistic liberal to me; deciding someone who does not agree with them is wrong.
Wade on February 24, 2007 at 8:44 PM
We have to play by their rules. Bury their stories and digg ours. It’s not nice, but hey, the war on terror is an information war.
PRCalDude on February 24, 2007 at 8:47 PM
I don’t blame you especially if it is intentional.
Wade on February 24, 2007 at 8:57 PM
Keep at it guys. Their ADD will kick in eventually.
At a minimum, it keeps them busy.
TallDave on February 24, 2007 at 9:27 PM
We need to digg these conservative sites. How many times do I read here ” get the word out” and digg MIGHT be a huge way to do so. Give it a go, if 60-90 days down the road it’s still bogus, drop it and digg will become so far left it’ll become useless. Digg knows this so I think, like charles, like AP that its worth the effort for now.
I digg 8 to 10 articles daily. I dont spend time burying very much, its all lewrockwell and others I dont even know.
At gmail you can get like 5 accounts.
shooter on February 24, 2007 at 9:35 PM
“Expending effort.”
That’s something conservatives are too lazy and too comfortable to do, as evidenced by attendance at conservative protests.
It’s why we lose at everything. Youtube banning, Google bombing, illegal alien marches, Dig, Christian bashing, mid-term elections. It’s just too much trouble, and besides … the basketball game is on.
Gregor on February 24, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Sweet. I made it to Hot Air with my screenshot.
ZRyan on February 24, 2007 at 10:36 PM
>especially all the video game crap. Until today, I thought this blog was for grownups.
Um, the average age of a video game player is 24. Or by grown up did you mean bitter humorless old man?
VinceP1974 on February 25, 2007 at 12:11 AM
I found the article about “Digital Maoism” less than enlightening.
Maxx on February 25, 2007 at 12:30 AM
Does anyone actually use Digg besides the blogger community?
NPP on February 25, 2007 at 1:02 AM
Digg this
http://www.nopedophileprophets.blogspot.com
As Nikita Krushchev said, quoting the warlord Mohammad:
“We will bury you.”
profitsbeard on February 25, 2007 at 1:03 AM
Collectivism, one of the words/concepts I most despise - sheep running toward, then plummeting over the cliff…singing
kumbaiabeeeeeeh.Entelechy on February 25, 2007 at 1:21 AM
Digging every post on this site or on any other Conservative site isn’t going to help this issue.
Not everyone who “down-diggs” posts is doing so because they don’t agree with the content at the URL. Sometimes the URL just isn’t worthy of promotion. That’s why there is an “OK, this is lame” option, when voting something down. If you want to help, Digg the really good posts, the posts with a lot of original content. If you Digg everything, it just increases the level of noise. I’m not saying there isn’t an anti-conservative bias… just that the answer isn’t to flood Digg with a bunch of less-than-spectacular content. And then, if you see a Digg-worthy post that has been buried without good reason, contact Digg and complain.
The problem Digg has is that it is completely committed to a democratic process for story rating. They could solve this problem by having an employee (or a team of trusted volunteers) audit all posts that are down-dugg off the front page and determine if the negative response is legitimate or just constitutes bias against the ideas presented. But then they wouldn’t be able to say that Digg is 100% controlled by the users.
Mark Jaquith on February 25, 2007 at 4:20 AM
It’s not really about the effort; I was just being glib. It’s about the flawed concept. The Digg model inherently rewards sites pushing viewpoints which can summon up the most fanatical click-happy proponents. Which does not correlate closely with truth or quality, but rather with fanatacism.
Beating them by out-Digging them just rewards the Digg model, and the only one who benefits from that is Digg, who I don’t work for. So why should I bother?
If Digg is unfair to conservatives, then boycott/ignore it until they fix their broken model. Trying to out-Digg the leftists is what I consider a race to the bottom.
Nobody has given me any reason to like Digg, so why should I suppport them?
sandberg on February 25, 2007 at 5:44 AM
More evidence that ‘pure’ democracy is a horrible system of government and regulation. I blame guv’mint schools…. and ’survivor’.
locomotivebreath1901 on February 25, 2007 at 10:19 AM
p0s3r on February 24, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Would one of you younger folks please explain “emo” to me? I’ve seen this several times lately and being an old fart, just can’t keep up with all your hipster lingo.
23 skidoo!!
TugboatPhil on February 25, 2007 at 10:33 AM
Seems no one knows for sure. See here
Wade on February 25, 2007 at 11:49 AM
Or here for EMO
Wade on February 25, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Thanks Wade. After reading that, I feel more normal than ever!
TugboatPhil on February 25, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Haha, thanks for that link, Wade. Some of those pictures were hilarious.
As far as Digg goes, So what I’m supposed to register and go around clicking buttons, so another liberal a$$hat can make millions like the Google guys?
Don’t think so.
reaganaut on February 25, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Hmm, is digg in China yet?
Are they linked up to the People’s computers so the People’s Webmaster General can filter the People’s content?
In China they also have a “bury” button, so the People aren’t exposed to any Western propaganda.
reaganaut on February 25, 2007 at 12:45 PM
OK I have to ask could someone please tell me what emo means? I havent been a 20-something for a very long time and I feel left out.
Gwillie on February 25, 2007 at 12:49 PM
OK never mind, I see I’m not the only one who don’t know :)
Gwillie on February 25, 2007 at 12:51 PM
maybe I should read the post before I ask a question just incase there is already an answer.
Gwillie on February 25, 2007 at 12:52 PM
reaganaut on February 25, 2007 at 12:45 PM
Actually in China the “bury” button is to activate a backhoe that digs a hole, in which to place a person that has been exposed to Western propaganda.
Gwillie, I’m usually the last one to know what’s going on these days.
TugboatPhil on February 25, 2007 at 1:56 PM
Right on. That is what digg is all about, MONEY!
Wade on February 25, 2007 at 5:22 PM
Stop doing Digg. Had set up a throwaway account for registering there on my own domain. Within hours after registering there the account started getting hit with Spam. Spam from the DNC no less. Sorry, but I think the whole Digg thing was just an email honeypot for the spammers so i don’t bother anymore.
Faith1 on February 25, 2007 at 6:46 PM
Faith, I’ve been at Digg for several months without getting liberal spam. Maybe you experienced something new, or perhaps you got that spam via a different sign up?
Definitely use a throw away e-mail account. I do.
DannoJyd on February 27, 2007 at 2:39 PM