Brit paper: Five U.S. generals will resign if Bush orders Iran attack; Update: Gulf states agree to IAF overflight?
posted at 9:44 pm on February 24, 2007 by Allahpundit
Whereupon each of them will be given book deals, hired as military analysts by MSNBC, invited to the White House correspondents dinner, and enlisted to serve as consultants on a George Clooney vehicle about their experience entitled Those Who Dared.
I don’t buy it, but it’s good copy.
The Sunday Times has learnt that up to five generals and admirals are willing to resign rather than approve what they consider would be a reckless attack.
“There are four or five generals and admirals we know of who would resign if Bush ordered an attack on Iran,” a source with close ties to British intelligence said. “There is simply no stomach for it in the Pentagon, and a lot of people question whether such an attack would be effective or even possible.”
A British defence source confirmed that there were deep misgivings inside the Pentagon about a military strike. “All the generals are perfectly clear that they don’t have the military capacity to take Iran on in any meaningful fashion. Nobody wants to do it and it would be a matter of conscience for them.
That leaves it to Israel. The Telegraph has another of it’s too-big-to-be-true bombshells about Iran today, claiming that the IAF is negotiating Iraq flyover rights with the U.S. for its inevitable run on the Iranian reactors. Short of U.S. troops killing the Ayatollah Sistani, it’s hard to think of something that would piss off Iraqi Shiites more than allowing Israel to use Iraqi airspace to bomb the Shiite mothership. But if they don’t go through Iraq, how do they get there from here?

I’m thinking a little detour through the Kingdom instead, with a secretly complicit Saudi government feigning outrage later about the Jews having defiled its holy airspace despite their best efforts to shoot them, etc etc.
There’s another, longer piece in tomorrow’s Telegraph about Israel prepping for war. A lot of it’s boilerplate about Iran’s nuclear advances and how Israeli estimates of their progress vary wildly from UN/U.S. estimates. The most interesting part:
As part of the defensive preparations for a missile attack, the Israelis recently conducted a successful test-firing of the new Arrow anti-missile defence system, a development that has mainly been funded by the Pentagon.
The Arrow is the successor to the American Patriot missile system used to shoot down Saddam’s Scuds during the 1991 Gulf War. But where the Patriot attacks the incoming missile as it nears its target, the Arrow is designed to intercept a hostile missile much earlier, in the upper atmosphere.
From Israel’s perspective this is a crucial advance, especially if the Iranians were to attempt to fire missiles armed with nuclear warheads. “There’s no point shooting down a nuclear missile once it’s over Israel – the devastation would be just the same,” an Israeli military officer explained this week. “The idea is to take it out long before it hits Israel.”
That would mean such a missile exploding somewhere over Iraq or Jordan, thereby potentially causing widespread devastation in those countries.
Exit question: What happens when a nuclear explosion occurs over land at high altitudes?
Update: Yeah, I don’t know. That’s a long, long trip, and neither Qatar, Oman, or the UAE are any match for Iran militarily. As for Turkey, Islamism is on the rise and they may need Iranian help in the near future to crush the Kurds. Why, then, would they agree to host an Israeli bombing run?









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Sorry, don’t buy it…
and this is talking as a retired military member.
Romeo13 on February 24, 2007 at 9:47 PM
Resign? Not me.
Buck Turgidson on February 24, 2007 at 9:48 PM
not happenin’.
How high is the nuke?
shooter on February 24, 2007 at 9:50 PM
The EMP would cook anything with circuits……but the fallout wouldn’t be nearly as bad as a ground burst.
I don’t buy it. The flyover part. The Israeli SSK have plenty of cruise missle punch.
Limerick on February 24, 2007 at 9:53 PM
It’s called EMP, electro magnetic pulse. It stops almost all electrons from flowing through conductors (unless the conductor is made of gold, great stuff, that gold). So, no radio, telephone, hospital equip, cars, tanks (unless shielded by gold)…
Zorro on February 24, 2007 at 9:54 PM
Because it’s on its way back to earth. Over Iraq or Jordan?, depends on whether its a cruise missile type, traveling at 500 MPH at 500 ft above the ground ( I doubt it) or more of an ICBM, then it might be high enough to do little. Too many variables.
shooter on February 24, 2007 at 9:58 PM
Taking into account the Earth’s curvature, the more tactically sensible flight route would probably be over northern Iraq, primarily over the Kurdish region. A more directly east route would be longer, and a southerly route would be positively arduous.
Of course, a northerly route would mean a long flight over Syria, but what’s Assad going to do about it?
SWLiP on February 24, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Liberal bloggers hats can be used to defend their laptops. Quick – grab the reynolds wrap! I cannot allow a tin foil gap.
Buck Turgidson on February 24, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Great! More housecleaning. How about that line: “There is simply no stomach for it in the Pentagon” ?
No stomach for a fight in the Pentagon? Boy, are those “five generals” in the wrong business. They should have taken up flower arranging as a career.
naliaka on February 24, 2007 at 10:03 PM
How many times will the Times (re-) write this story? It’s getting real old. This time it has a new (more politically expedient) twist with all the “resigning” generals. Yawn.
thedecider on February 24, 2007 at 10:08 PM
How the hell did they ever get to be Generals?
1sttofight on February 24, 2007 at 10:09 PM
There could always be a series of mid air refuelings by unmarked tanker aircraft… or Louis Gossett Jr and some teenaged brat could do it in stolen USAF planes.
Does the interception and destruction of a nuclear missile necessarily result in the detonation of the device?
rw on February 24, 2007 at 10:12 PM
They are probably friends with Wesley Clark, loser.
Zorro on February 24, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Well a low kT-class air-burst, aside from the EMP effects, would probably have fairly significant fallout effects. In that sense the lower yield nukes are worse because the fireball of a megaton weapon puts the nuclear debris higher into the atmosphere where there are no weather patterns to bring it quickly back down to earth. The fallout diffuses over a much larger area and falls back to earth so slowly that most of the material is no longer dangerous. Not as dangerous, anyway.
With something Iran would launch, that stuff would be coming down with the weather pretty quickly and it would be very bad. Not as bad as a near-ground burst, but bad enough.
A lot of that depends on the exact altitude that the weapon is detonated at of course.
thelinyguy on February 24, 2007 at 10:14 PM
I call bull$hit on the whole story. Five US Generals resigning over an air strike in Iran?
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Well which is it four or five? You aren’t sure? Didn’t take notes? A group of Generals proclaim they will resign rather than carry out orders and this “source” isn’t even clear on how many of them there are?
The MSM isn’t even trying anymore.
billy on February 24, 2007 at 10:16 PM
Uhhh… Zorro… check yer physics…
EMP effectivly causes an overload… creates all kinds of unintended currents running around any circuit.
Burns out the PNP or NPN junctions of transistors… Gold actualy makes it even worse as its a better conductor. Only way to protect is to harden circuits design from the outset, by creating discharge paths and overengineering the circuts, or by creating a barrier (faraday cage) around the entire unit.
Key here is that an EMP pulse would knock down the civilian infrastructure, but I can’t believe that Israel, as the US has done, has not hardened its many of its military installations….
and… just so ya know… I’m a Cold War kind a guy….
Electronics Technician… USN…. Ret.
Romeo13 on February 24, 2007 at 10:18 PM
So the Times and MSM have already figured out it will be another Gulf of Tonkin scenario. Bad U.S. Bad!
No thought or analysis from them that Iran might actually initiate hostilities. That would be unthinkable. We MADE them do it.
Limerick on February 24, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Gee, I’m just gonna have a nervous breakdown over this. How many Generals are there — about 850 by my count. BIG DEAL!
warriorlawyer on February 24, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Always been a few Admirals and Generals that conveiently forget the oaths that they swore when it becomes politically expedient to do so… Especially when THEY have dreams of running for office themselves.
And so many that got their second or third stars in the 90s got them not for their military abilities but for their political leanings.
As far as the ‘four or five’ in the article, assuming that they even exist, if they had the courage of their convictions, they would come out publically and state their positions.
If I were President, I’d expend the effort to find out if the story is somewhat true, and if so, who they are, then fire them.
LegendHasIt on February 24, 2007 at 10:38 PM
The claim is totally unsubstantiated. Moreover, “up to five generals and admirals,” does anyone know precisely how many generals and admirals there is in the US military?
If (a big if) there are 5 generals and admirals who would resign under such circumstances, perhaps that is for the good of the US, indeed the West.
The column goes on to state that this number is unprecedented. Do the journalists know how many generals were flushed over the Civil War?
Captain America on February 24, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Shooting down a nuke-tipped missile doesn’t necessarily set off the nuke. The more likely result would be a conventional explosion and a lot of radioactive debris.
bdfaith on February 24, 2007 at 10:45 PM
We do need less Pentagon interferance with our troops, so it wouldn’t be a bad thing if you ask me.
SouthernGent on February 24, 2007 at 10:47 PM
If I dont miss my guess werent both A bombs that went off in Japan both air bursts ?
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Stephen M on February 24, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Anyone ever visited the Trinity test site in White Sands?
I’ve never been there but I understand it is open to visitors twice a year. That was a ground burst. Probably about the size of any nuke Iran could produce in the near term. Just wondering how ‘hot’ that site still is?
Limerick on February 24, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Is it possible to get a new pic of this ugly SOB?
bloggless on February 24, 2007 at 10:57 PM
It isn’t significantly ‘hot’. The Trinitite (The sand turned to glass) registers on a geiger counter about the same as a radium watch dial. You probably wouldn’t want to live in the ‘pit’ for a year, but I wouldn’t think twice about spending a week at ground zero..
LegendHasIt on February 24, 2007 at 11:01 PM
I agree with the calling of bullsh*t, but even if it was true, so what? Nobody’s irreplaceable. And if they choose to forget their oath and their duty, their next command just might be a cell in Leavenworth. Maybe Watarda will need a roommate.
ReubenJCogburn on February 24, 2007 at 11:01 PM
I am sure many would apply if these Clark types resigned.
infidel on February 24, 2007 at 11:04 PM
Just don’t put it on the Big Board!
91Veteran on February 24, 2007 at 11:32 PM
Being the best in their class at Powerpoint.
91Veteran on February 24, 2007 at 11:35 PM
If true, find out who they are and fire them immediately. Our Troops deserve better leaders than those who would pull this stuff.
If true, my bet is they got their stars under Clinton.
As vague as the article is, I also doubt the thruthfulness of the claim
LewWaters on February 24, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Again……. “a source”, no name.
And the Generals and Admirals, agian…….. No Names……..
MSM (and the Clinton War Room) at it again, “US BAD,Iran, GOOD! Just let them have the bomb!”
And as for:
My guess………. appointed by Bill Clinton, along with thousands of “like minded” bureaucrats in the Pentagon, State Department, CIA (Plame), FBI, DOD, NSA, etc., etc., who put “politics” above National Security………
His damage to this country may never be fully exposed, and if Hillary becomes POTUS…….. God Help Us!
PinkyBigglesworth on February 24, 2007 at 11:49 PM
How did they do it the first time they hit Iran?
CharlestonCritic on February 25, 2007 at 12:22 AM
I’d believe these “generals and admirals” if they were willing to commit seppuku over it.
Hell, I’d even volunteer for the policing clean-up afterward if it would help them decide.
Can’t be any worse than a K-P grease trap detail.
profitsbeard on February 25, 2007 at 12:27 AM
Let them resign..we need men leading the military not timid cowards.
EnochCain on February 25, 2007 at 12:37 AM
The nuke might fizzile, but it wouldn’t detonate. Doesn’t matter for several years anyway since Iran doesn’t have a nuke and they have yet to flight test a dummy payload on the Shahab-3. It’s pretty questionable that missile will have the throw needed.
I would be very surprised if the Israel hasn’t asked the US for flyover rights. Interesting legal issue in that we’re not technically an occupying power and so don’t have legal control of the airspace. So if we let Israel fly over we’d be violating Iraq’s sovereignty.
Israel could fly an all-water route through Red Sea and around the Arabian peninsula, but I don’t think they have enough tankers.
It’s conceivable five generals would quit. That is all.
NPP on February 25, 2007 at 12:59 AM
And in other news: Ahmahjahmahdingdong says the U.S. is in no position to invade Iran.
Hey ‘Dingdong, look to the east, look to the west, look to the south, you’re surrounded. Yes, the Army and Marines are busy, but the Navy and the Air Force are BORED! And we just can’t WAIT to try out our shiney new F-22′s!
Tony737 on February 25, 2007 at 1:02 AM
We’ve heard all this crap before. The media reported before the Iraq war that we had plans to use mini-nukes against Iraq. Did we? No. Then they resold the same story about Iran last year. In 2005, Scott Ritter was saying the US was going to attack Iran in June 2005. Unless I was asleep at the wheel, that didn’t happen either.
Is it just me, or does it seem like the media is just salivating at the thought of a war with Iran? We might find ourselves in a war with Iran soon – without the Bush administration even lifting a finger. It almost seems as if the press is going to declare war with Iran on behalf of the US government at the pace this is going
What, not enough bad news in Iraq to broadcast these days? What’s the deal?
Seixon on February 25, 2007 at 1:04 AM
We could only hope that five powerpoint commandos would resign if we attacked Iran but even that would hardly amount to a “good start”.
Buzzy on February 25, 2007 at 1:11 AM
I LOVE it…….. yes, world, there are some of us that still have a pair……. SPOT ON!
PinkyBigglesworth on February 25, 2007 at 2:18 AM
…followed, within the hour, by a UN resolution condemning Israel for this act of aggression.
LagunaDave on February 25, 2007 at 2:25 AM
The best data I could find (from 2002) showed 875 flag officers, so even if 5 resigned, you’re talking just over half-percent. Immaterial.
But the nutroots are loving this; ThinkProgress and DU are enjoying themselves.
dalewalt on February 25, 2007 at 2:37 AM
As I understand, that’s not how nuclear weapons work. Simply blowing one up (over who ever’s airspace) would not cause the nuclear reaction seen when the bomb detonates in the correct way.
uptight on February 25, 2007 at 4:12 AM
The opportunity to find out whether those five “generals” exist and, if so, who they are, is an additional reason to attack Iran. I’m at a loss momentarily to decide what I would do with them, but the thought of making them my “Special Ambassadors” suggests itself. In my mind’s eye, they arrive in Tehran just before the cluster-nuking, and they don’t leave afterwards. But to show my remorse, I name a delivery system after them.
Kralizec on February 25, 2007 at 7:21 AM
Romeo13, I googled “faraday cage” after reading your comment. If you’re still reading, will you comment as to how much it would add to the cost of a home to insulate it from EMP? :-)
Kralizec on February 25, 2007 at 7:49 AM
This is pure crap, but the publication and proliferation of lies is a daily item on the menu of the left.
rplat on February 25, 2007 at 7:50 AM
NPP and uptight are correct. Shooting down an incoming nuke would not cause a nuclear explosion.
So I’m not sure what the EMP stuff is supposed to be about. The “widespread devastation” would be due to radioactive material being spread over a large area (dirty bomb).
As far as the generals are concerned, I’d like to think that’s not true, but as has been well demonstrated there are plenty of people in DoD, CIA, etcetera that are willing to go to great lengths to undermine the POTUS. OTOH this comes from the MSM.
/shrug
Dwilkers on February 25, 2007 at 8:58 AM
Shades of McClellan?
“Five generals will resign if…”
change to:
“Five [i]ticket punching weanies who happen to be generals[/i] who happen to be generals will resign if…”
Some of us see that as a win-win situation.
The 4th tenet of Sun Tzu applies.
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The Machine on February 25, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Why is there only British sources for this claim, couldn’t the Sunday Times find “up to five generals and admirals” in the defense department that actually say they would resign? “A friend of a friend told me that…” just doesn’t cut it.
Hillary holds a town meeting in the Congressional bunker and states that “Had I been President, this never would have happened!” Al Gore uses pictures of the mushroom cloud as proof that global warming is occurring. The Democrats blame the Republican for not advancing “Star Wars” technology fast enough and provides billions of dollars in federal funds to study the effects of the EMP on endangered species. Hollywood makes a full length feature film titled: Middle Ages-The Next Generation. CBS starts a new series titled EMP-New York in the Dark!, followed soon after with EMP-L.A., EMP-Miami, etc.
RedinBlueCounty on February 25, 2007 at 9:19 AM
If they disagreed with such an order so strongly, resigning would be the proper thing to do.
Mind you, not that someone with that much more honor than careerism would ever tell anyone beforehand in a crass attempt to influence public opinion and policy.
My scorecard: sentiment – possibly accurate, story – definitely bogus.
James on February 25, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Romeo13, you are correct…
There are other materials that work, I was thinking of the shielding we use around our satellites to protect them from radiation.
Zorro on February 25, 2007 at 10:01 AM
There has already been a movie done about the after effects of EMP. The series Dark Angel was set in a quasi-post-Apocalyptic style US after Muslim terrorists detonated a nuke. During the series they often referred “The Pulse” wiping out power etc. This was 1999-2000 so before 9/11. The only real significant thing about the series was the introduction of Jessica Alba in a variety of bad ass or outright sexy outfits while kicking some major butt.
Faith1 on February 25, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Which is more important, that we believe these stories or that the Iranians believe them?
LakeRuins on February 25, 2007 at 11:00 AM
The issue is not whether the United States can take Iran out, it is whether it has the will to do so. The question can be answered by determining to what degree the Left has control over the electorate and their representatives.
Iran is a pimple on the ass of the Mideast by the standards of the United States. Punitive attack by the United States can destroy most of their infrastructure, military and economic assets, and their population if so desired, in a very short period of time. Military capability is not the issue.
The Will to Fight and Intent are the issues. If the Intent is to replace a hostile Iranian regime with one that is more democratic – not going to happen. To maintain government stability in nations such as Iran, and Iraq, methods of civil control considered brutal and unacceptable by those, especially the Left, are required. There is no substitute for those methods at this time. If the intent is to destroy Iran and continue to pulverize the worthless Islamofacist until it surrenders, if ever, then that is another story. Again, I believe that he Left will actively support Iran against the United States regardless of national interest, without pause or remorse.
The Will to Fight is the crux of the matter. The Left, our biggest single weakness, is the reason the United States will win or loose any conflict. Their subversion and treason are unchecked, without remorse, and oblivious to the harsh realities of the world we live in today.
We will remain in this position until disaster strikes us. Only when disaster has verified the threat to our population will the Left loose power, and unfortunately, for a short period. I do not see a way out of this state of affairs without at least two, and perhaps a series, of disasters diminishing the influence of the Left to a point where aggressive, rational, and concrete action can take place to protect the interests of the United States.
omegaram on February 25, 2007 at 11:01 AM
It is a mis quote: They are resigned to the fact that Bush is right in keeping pressure on Iran.
right2bright on February 25, 2007 at 11:50 AM
This story tells me that deranged liberals are getting more and more hysterical. We might bomb another one of their remaining allies opposed to capitalism and the West: Iran.
It must be stopped at any cost, including fictional stories about generals resigning, Iran not being a threat at all, tens of thousands of innocents dying, oil prices skyrocketing, etc. Soon we will probably also have the Democrats in Congress passing a resolution that we are not allowed to bomb Iran.
The sooner we bomb them, the better.
januarius on February 25, 2007 at 11:55 AM
Given that Russia, China, Pakistan, India are all nuke powers, and live nearby, would either Iran or Israel dare to set one off? Just asking….
dhimwit on February 25, 2007 at 12:10 PM
dhimwit: Iran would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons, especially on Israel. They would, of course, immediately deny any complicity in such an act – as they prepare another strike.
omegaram on February 25, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Did not know ‘Surrender Murtha’ has 5 brothers.
Wade on February 25, 2007 at 12:56 PM
I’m not sure I see deeply enough to know what the crux of the matter is, omegaram, but at any rate, the problem seems not so much an unwillingness to fight as an unwillingness to fight dirty, followed by a quite understandable unwillingness to go on fighting without obvious benefit to one’s side. The war aims of the Americans and their allies could reasonably be to deprive the Arabs and Persians of their wealth, their leaders, their religion, and their numbers. It’s been five years since al-Qaida came close to destroying either the White House or the Capitol, nevermind the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. That’s time enough for the Americans to have destroyed the religious and civil rulers of Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria, seized the oil fields, and destroyed the major centers of muslim worship. That is, it’s time enough, were they willing to do those things. However, the Americans have trouble with killing people, taking goods, toppling idols, and leaving people to fend for themselves as they move on to the next country.
Understand, I’m fine with “Reconstruction,” “the Marshall Plan,” and whatnot. But it’s reasonable to undertake such projects after the war is over.
Kralizec on February 25, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Nine cruise missiles will take down the mullahs’ regime.
Iran is vulnerable, ironically because of gasoline.
Iran imports up to 40% of its gasoline and diesel fuel. It has only nine refineries, hasn’t invested anything in them since the revolution, and they operate way over capacity, degrading daily. Fueled by subsidized prices of 35 cents a gallon at the pump, domestic Iranian demand has soared. Coupled with a lack of investment in oil production as well, this has led some analysts to predict that Iran won’t have any surplus oil for export in a decade.
As the late great Billy Sol Hurok might say, refineries blow up good, blow up real good.
Take out the Iranian refineries and their economy will grind to a halt. Add a blockade of incoming tankers by the US Navy and the mullahs will fall to unrest by the Iranian public.
A very limited and targeted military approach like this would result in minimal harm to civilians, other than the obvious difficulties faced by no fuel. It addresses the concerns of those, like the above anti-war generals and admirals, that we don’t have the resources to fight a war in Iran now. I’m sure right now we have enough cruise missile capable ships, subs and planes in the gulf to take the refineries offline with minimal risk to American service men and women.
rokemronnie on February 25, 2007 at 2:35 PM
You’re right of course, I just thought how many times has the L3 accused the US of that anyway? May as well wave em’ in.
Buck Turgidson on February 25, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Now THAT’S worth the price of a ticket.
Five generals down? Good riddance if that’s the way they think…CNN is probably hiring anyway.
shooter on February 25, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Five U.S. generals will resign if Bush orders Iran attack
BY-BY don’t let the door hitcha in the a$$ on the way out!!
Booo on February 25, 2007 at 5:14 PM
I’m wide open to correction, but I think the difficulties caused by such a severe shortage of fuel as rokemronnie describes would include loss of transportation for food. If the fuel used to make electricity has to be refined appreciably, then the losses would include electricity for refrigeration and cooking. It doesn’t seem the water supply and sewerage systems in the cities would continue in operation. It appears protection from fires would be lost, as vehicles and water pressure were lost. Unless divine intervention were swift and spectacular, I think even muslim credulity would be strained.
Kralizec on February 25, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Yeah. A Brit paper says that someone, who knows people in Brit Intel, says that they say that some American flags will quit if we attack an enemy. If that ain’t take-it-to-the-bank solid, what is?
major john on February 25, 2007 at 8:08 PM
Kralizec:
, the problem seems not so much an unwillingness to fight as an unwillingness to fight dirty Response: “fighting dirty” implies that there are restrictions on military response to confrontational actions by the likes of Iran. I do not see any such restrictions but with the exceptions of biological weapons and conventional rules of war as defined by the Geneva convention. If the decision is made to engage Iran in a military fashion all assets should be brought to bear, immediately, for an indefinite period, without pause, and to the utter and complete anahiliation of the enemy or their complete, unconditional surrender.
followed by a quite understandable unwillingness to go on fighting without obvious benefit to one’s side Response: Military engagement, obviously, at least for rational states (which leaves Iran out), is an extension of the political process. Military action is an option to achieve political, economic, and/or military concession from the enemy. In Iran’s case it is to limit their ability to produce, posses, and use weapons of mass destruction. There is definite benefit to such military action: remove the ability of an avowed enemy, who uses deceit and deception as a matter of routine, to attack other nations with devasting consequences.
The war aims of the Americans and their allies could reasonably be to deprive the Arabs and Persians of their wealth, their leaders, their religion, and their numbers. Response: The objective is not to harm others, including Arabs and Persians. The objective is remove credible threats of mass destruction from enemies that would harm the United States, our allies, and our intersts without hesitation if they had the means. Depriving those of their economic and military assets may be a means to an end but not the objective.
Such statements as these impress me that you, Kralizec, either do not understand the issues or are deliberately providing propaganda for Islamic entities such as Iran.
omegaram on February 25, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Are you thinking of when they took out the Osirak reactor in 1981? If so, it was in Iraq.
91Veteran on February 25, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Allahpundit:
Short of U.S. troops killing the Ayatollah Sistani, it’s hard to think of something that would piss off Iraqi Shiites more than allowing Israel to use Iraqi airspace to bomb the Shiite mothership. But if they don’t go through Iraq, how do they get there from here?
By using the modern equalivent of the Battleship: Submarines. The most powerful weapons platform for strategic assault is within Israel’s grasp. Undetectable, accurate, unstopable, and able to launch missiles with conventional or nuclear payload at the touch of a button.
It gives me great pleasure to anticipate Iranian, Russian, Chinese, Arab, French and Liberal Left frustration and anger at being blocked at every turn from political condemnation of Israel by the United States. No need to send them condoms as a gift – they won’t need them.
omegaram on February 26, 2007 at 12:04 AM
I wonder how many would resign if Hillarity was elected?
frreal on February 26, 2007 at 9:16 AM
Shiite happens.
ballz2wallz on February 26, 2007 at 12:21 PM
The big problem with a severe shortage would be the resulting increase in the cost of fuel which would drive inflation and be a big blow to most of the world’s economies. As is usually the case, the people most severely affected by an economic downturn are those on the bottom rung–be it nations or parts of nations.
Another issue would be how a serious reduction to supply would affect the relations between us and China. Also this could tend to put Russia in the cat bird seat as they have great control over the oil supply and intrastructure in Europe–I am not well versed on this, have read some on it so could be exaggerating.
Nothing’s simple.
honora on February 26, 2007 at 1:52 PM
Right now, Iran has it pretty good. They are backing the insurgency in a very low key manner because US actions are not that aggressive in Iraq right now. If the US troop surge occurs. Iran will be forced not to remain so, low key anymore and step the commitment of resources and effort towards countering operations as a result. This will make Iran’s efforts a little more obvious to the doubters.
Egfrow on February 26, 2007 at 1:54 PM