right2bright on February 24, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Great elaboration, well put. Obviously I don’t agree with everything you said, but that’s to be expected. Where I stand should be pretty obvious by now, but what I’m saying is I won’t abandon civility in the process.
As far as supporting the leaders in my party, sadly, I can not. Not Pelosi, not Murtha, not Reid nor any other (insert offensive term here) that has hijacked my party for the attention of Kos and his ilk. I hope to take BACK my party from these extremists.
Cheers R2B.

And you guys wonder why I’m a Democrat…..LOL

honora on February 23, 2007 at 4:18 PM

No, I don’t, blame it on your IQ……. (let me know if you want a know what IQ means).

Murtha’s socialist blather erodes a lot of conservative and moderate Democrat’s belief in their party so I hope that fake purple heart wearing SOB keeps his mouth flapping nonstop.

The talking point for today is that the war in Iraq has changed. It’s now about the fascist Baath party trying to retake power, Iran invading Iraq by arming and training Shi’a militias, and al Qaeda thugs wanting a Islamofascist sunni nation, they are killing their own innocent people caught in the middle. The death toll of average Iraqi men, women and children being killed and maimed as they go about their lives in tremendous, more innocents die in a week from Islamic militias than our entire death toll the entire war. Iraq is a democracy and those who would pull us out due to a timetable and not the ability of the Democratically elected Iraqi government to protect its own people are not friends of Democracy or of innocent people but are friends of the terrorists and thugs that are harming them.

Will Murtha (or Obama, Hillary, Edwards etc) take full blame for those average Iraqi people who will be dumped into graves all over that nation if they pull the plug on the war (now or later). If they think they would now vote against the war are they saying that they would rather see shi’a slaughter sunni, sunni slaughter shi’a?

Will Murtha etal. accept that due to their actions have already made this war longer than it should have and that by not supporting our mission to stabilize a democratic government in Iraq they have strengthened those groups that seek to overthrow it and weakened our ability to stabilize the legitimate government of Iraq.

A lot of Democrats do understand that the quickest way out of Iraq is by forming a strong undivided front against the terrorists who are blowing up innocent Iraqis by the tens of thousands and that at this moment the US military is the only thing that stands between the terrorists in Iraq and their victims.

Every damn American wants to see us get out of this war but only some of us realize what the cost of people like Murtha, Hillary, Obama etc. retreating really is, human lives.

RightWinged, in the same note I sent you well-deserved compliments.

Regards,

The PM in question was Reynolds. If memory serves he resigned shortly thereafter with some scandal involved. My company was opening a plant in Taum outside of Galway, Reynolds spoke at the opening and we worked together on press coverage and talking points. We had a dinner at Glenlo Abbey with Reynolds and various other politicos, they were very interested in a high profile for bringing a high tech business to W Ireland. Shall I forward you some of the press clippings?

for the record, ‘honora’ you claimed to have “worked closely on several occasions” with the Irish PM. When called and asked to show, you downgraded your story to being a PR flunky on one occasion. You were probably a tourist getting drunk at the bar and noticed a function going on

typical leftie dishonesty, and typical of you

magine getting this worked up over someone whom you have never met? Defies all reason.

Frankly I see it as a public service–these little souls take out their nastiness on me and there’s less kicking of the dog!!

Have a nice weekend.

honora on February 24, 2007 at 12:06 PM

You NEVER start or create discussions. The ONLY thing you do is ridicule the views of others, almost always with crude stupid insults of Bush and other Repubs / conservatives. Your ONLY purpose is to sabotage the attempts by sober conservatives to disucss. Your input, such as it is, is TOTALLY negative. The tone is almost always sour, bitter, vile, and nasty–and the political / partisn content NEVER varies: it’s always leftist crap, with the same talking points over and over again

There are too many people like you, and you have many forums on the internet and elsewhere. You only come here to take away, not to add anything of any value. Your intent is to keep people from posting–because they don’t want a wrathful drunk biting at their ankles every time they speak their minds

THAT is what makes you a troll–in the worst sense.

I think it was Thomas Sowell that wrote;

“Politicians often say foolish things. Members of both parties criticize cavalierly and thunder thoughtlessly. They advance irresponsible suggestions and embrace mistaken policies. But most of our politicians, most of the time, stop short of knowingly hurting the country.
Watching the developments in Congress this past week, though, one has to ask: Can that be said any longer about the leadership of the Democratic party?”

SouthernDem on February 24, 2007 at 8:52 AM

You missed my point, I am tired of listening to libs condone behaviour of their party. I listed several instances, and the pattern is clear except to the very indoctrinated. You think because someone can come here and cast stones, make false accusations, pretend to be someone they are not, and when called out, and yes even stoop to there level, you complain…not about the instigator but the defender. That is exactly the problem with the democratic party. You are afraid (or you condone) behaviour of your party, but attack when someone defends. I am sure, more than sure, that you are a fine person, make that an incredibly nice person and would be a great neighbor. I just am confused how such a good citizen supports a party that condones these actions. Every liberal paper fights things like Jessica’s law, why? That is not a left/right issue, it is one of moral courage. I don’t want to fight with someone about morality, but when you try to take away that from me, I will fight. The same with when the dems charge (physically) the stage where a conservative is making a speach (and this is almost every speach now) I don’t have to take it. Especially when someone says to me “don’t stoop to ther level and call names”, bull pucky…you (generic term for libs) are trying to steal rights away from me, you (generic term for libs) will not intimadate us. What it does is escalate, we are not storming stages, allowing child molesters to walk free, deface our national monuments, storm into houses, picket private citizens houses, hire blogger “hit men”, but there is a time when we say enough is enough. Now Honora can play her “victim” card as most liberals do, but she has been caught in her share of lies, and maybe some of us are tired of lies. You on the other hand (generic you) embrace those people and defend them. That is your right, just don’t think you can find sanctuary in Hot Air. We are conservatives, and we will defend our right to be right. We accept AP as an athiest, we accept Tammy Bruce for her liberal but honest assesments…what we want is honesty and forthrightness, not lies and victimhood, and people defending obvious moral misjudgements.

Remember where this started. Murtha, the ABSCAM man. A man who, if the liberal press hadn’t blown the whistle on this take down, would have accepted bribes (as stated in his taped discussion with the FBI undercover agent), is asking to withhold money so our soldiers are left out to dry (read die). Go ahead and support; Pelosi the tuna queen, Murtha the ABSCAM man, Jefferson and his frozen assests, Reid and his lucky Vegas land deals, ACLU and there defense of porn (gee, I wonder why?) and defense of NAMBLA; the rest of the liberal press who want child rapists to be able to live with no repurcussions (he raped a child, served 10 years…he paid his price), no thanks I do not want that world, and I do not want people who want that world in my life. Honora is such a person, the poor girl. And you, you can make a choice…be a dem and stand with people like Tammy and denounce the leftist party for what they are doing, but still embrace, support and fight to bring back the real democratic party that made our two party system so effective. Or continue to defend people represented by Honora.

I’d rather go hunting with Dick, than driving with Ted.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on February 23, 2007 at 3:05 PM

I got that on the back of my gas guzzling monster SUV that I drive as a gun owning single male. YEAH YEAH!

I appreciate DC’s comments. It’s about time someone starts calling these chumps out. Since DC isn’t running for Prez he should get out there and start throwing bean balls!

I imagine in real life, there are some seriously sad stories here. What else explains it?

We are all losers, living in our dismal insignificant world, a world of ignorance, inferior talents and wasted lives, wishing above all else we could attain the insight, stature and superior intellect of St. Honora.

There, I think that explains it. Well, it agrees with your theory anyway.

Frankly I see it as a public service–these little souls take out their nastiness on me and there’s less kicking of the dog!!

Have a nice weekend.

honora on February 24, 2007 at 12:06 PM

Ummmm… you can climb down off the cross now, honora. Sheesh.

For what it’s worth, for the record, SouthernDem has always seemed to me to be the kind of person with whom I could have an honest debate.

How many soldier’s deaths are you and your kind responsible for? It’s common knowledge our enemies believe they can convince your kind to give up. Since your kind plays right along with their warplan how long does the war go on after it could have been won and done by your kind simply joining with America instead of against her? Read some history. In your case it would be a rude awakening.

Since I’m sure you will not address these issues directly, you’ll whine about some trivial freedom of yours taken away. Or your ability and freedom to voice your opinion. Well shut the he11 up. Nobody wishes to hear it. You are the trivial one. You and your kind have blood on your hands and no place here to wipe it.

C’mon, we all know you’re the button-pusher. :)

Enrique on February 23, 2007 at 4:38 PM

Well duh….

But that’s different than name calling, is it not? I admit I get a kick out of the extraordinary amount of vitriol I can incite. It’s rather incredible; was Pavlov right or was he right? Imagine getting this worked up over someone whom you have never met? Defies all reason.

Frankly I see it as a public service–these little souls take out their nastiness on me and there’s less kicking of the dog!!

Have a nice weekend.

Your response is to lump me in with the DU scum because I objected to personal attacks on a commenter, what a strategy. I may not know honora as well as you, but that’s not the point. I’ve stood up for Cons on Dem sites and you two jumping down my throat, saying you “won’t be intimidated” because I called you out for being childish is sad. Besides, I wasn’t even referring to you Janos. And hey, how about those troll comments I made? Where are they?

SouthernDem on February 24, 2007 at 8:52 AM

None of these people know me, especially not the ones who get so outraged with me because I don’t agree with them. Surely you have met folks like this in real life–unable to handle any disagreement, low threshold of frustration, name callers.

You have asked to have your incidents of name calling pointed out; don’t hold your breath. What you have to understand is that it’s irrelevant to people with these shortcomings–they will get nasty and ugly and vulgar because they can on the internet. I imagine in real life, there are some seriously sad stories here. What else explains it?

On one occasion, honora claimed to have “worked closely with” the Prime Minister of Ireland–although she never has answered my obvious question: Which one ( and ‘worked closely’ how ?)

Read her posts again, here and earlier: most of what she says is insult and personal attacks. Occasionally we get a typical leftist talking point, re-hashed again and again

She is a troll: trolls live to anger and insult others, and spoil their attempts at conversation. You sound troll-ish yourself: you seem more interested in going after the people trying to tolerate and reason with her than in continuing a worthwhile discussion

If you think so little of this blog, go back to DU.

Janos Hunyadi on February 23, 2007 at 9:38 PM

I am speechless that you remember a blog discussion from that long ago!! My I am fascinating, am I not?

The PM in question was Reynolds. If memory serves he resigned shortly thereafter with some scandal involved. My company was opening a plant in Taum outside of Galway, Reynolds spoke at the opening and we worked together on press coverage and talking points. We had a dinner at Glenlo Abbey with Reynolds and various other politicos, they were very interested in a high profile for bringing a high tech business to W Ireland. Shall I forward you some of the press clippings?

Why you could conceivably be interested in this is beyond me.

Peace brothers!

Amen

SouthernDem on February 24, 2007 at 8:52 AM

Maybe I can help out here. Not that my opinion is sooooo worthy of others respect.

Guys, I have been paying attention to SouthernDem’s comments for a while and he/she is no troll. He is right about the personal insults. It has no place here. We are above that because it is immature and does nothing to further honest discussion.

And as much as I hate it, I forget sometimes and go over the edge. I think I got pretty close in this thread and it did nothing to advance rational discussion.

Getting off topic to deal with the poor behavior of our members is a responsibility we all share and we should not be afraid or attacked as a troll when we do.

Peace brothers!

The Slow Bleed strategy shot down by conservative Democrats in the House. It’s as if the mojo of Charlie Stenholm has left his body, assumed corporeal form, and is kicking ass Chuck Norris style on the Left side of the……

right2bright on February 23, 2007 at 11:44 PM

Honestly r2b, you always have facts to back up what you’re saying, but you are refusing to comment on the fact that you sank to her level by personally attacking her. You’ve read my comments on other topics and I’ve always been respectful, so you’ve got nothing to stand on by calling me a far lefty. If you think I’m trying to intimidate you, you are paranoid.

Janos Hunyadi on February 24, 2007 at 1:17 AM

Your response is to lump me in with the DU scum because I objected to personal attacks on a commenter, what a strategy. I may not know honora as well as you, but that’s not the point. I’ve stood up for Cons on Dem sites and you two jumping down my throat, saying you “won’t be intimidated” because I called you out for being childish is sad. Besides, I wasn’t even referring to you Janos. And hey, how about those troll comments I made? Where are they?

snarky.

I will have a good weekend, SouthernDem. Having someone like you call me ailly names will only makes the W.E. better. You spent too much time running interference for honora to have much credibility, so, really, try out DU if you haven’t been there–which I doubt

Before you go, read what right2bright said–as he said more than I did, and said it much better. Honora speaks in the same vein with the same tone as the Very Worst in current political rhetoric. She is obviously a troubled person, and at times is clearly intoxicated. Anyone who tries to block for her is, in some respects, worse