Guess Who’s Coming to Campus

posted at 9:08 am on February 23, 2007 by Bryan

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Actually, I disagree with this Vent, and agree more with the State Dept.’s position. One can cherry-pick examples of just about everything to support your point. I’d like to know how many Saudis have come here who have changed their feeling about America for the better. I would think that would be the vast majority. Furthermore, I strongly doubt that the Saudis who hate America so much from birth would be coming over here to get a college education.

Although it sometimes doesn’t seem that way, I believe it helps our country when future leaders from other nations get a college education here in America.

asc85 on February 23, 2007 at 9:21 AM

The U.S. State Department, continuing their many years of undermining the security of the United States.

liberty on February 23, 2007 at 9:27 AM

Now it is up to the campus chicks. The only way to sway those fanactics is Jell-o shots and body shots.

America is counting on you.

right2bright on February 23, 2007 at 9:56 AM

I see a pool of 25,000 as having great potential for the CIA to recruit future agents.

csdeven on February 23, 2007 at 9:57 AM

As a rebuttal,asc85, how many come here to learn the skills that they plan to employ against us? They cannot get that kind of education in the “schools” in their home country, plus demographic swing is one of their main tactics in conquering the West.And where are these rumored “moderates” anyway, what have we seen, maybe a half-dozen in 6 years?

bbz123 on February 23, 2007 at 9:59 AM

What is so new about this?

Our very own tax dollars Marine Corps has been “training tomorrows’s enemy today” for YEARS.

The number of Saudi Royal Princes that have descended on our Armed Forces through diplomatic deal making for “spying” “training” which they will personally NEVER use, is STAGGERING. Their attitudes while they are here is nothing short of ARROGANT and dismissive, bacause they are lets us not forget—ROYALTY.

The stories really would disgust you.

seejanemom on February 23, 2007 at 10:05 AM

The U.S. State Department, continuing their many years of undermining the security of the United States.

liberty on February 23, 2007 at 9:27 AM

Ditto.

Lawrence on February 23, 2007 at 10:08 AM

On the other hand, how many of those 25,000 will decide that the decadent, infidel way of life is way more fun than their old one?

flipflop on February 23, 2007 at 10:25 AM

This is IT!!! ITs the rallying cry!!!!

YOU”VE GOT TO FIGHT…. FOR YOUR RIGHT…. TO PAAARRRRTTYYY!!

Romeo13 on February 23, 2007 at 10:28 AM

S&L has an awesome blog on what happens to women who marry Saudi Students here:
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/cair-is-outraged-over-warning-against-marrying-muslims

BelchSpeak on February 23, 2007 at 10:33 AM

Although it sometimes doesn’t seem that way, I believe it helps our country when future leaders from other nations get a college education here in America.

asc85 on February 23, 2007 at 9:21 AM

Why?

Not only are our colleges the worst examples of teenage debauchery, they’re also home of the most ardent liberals, many who believe the world would be better off without America.

Do you seriously believe Ward Churchhill is good for any visitor from a country that may or may not be a sponsor of terrorism?

I’d even believe that some of these anti-American ideals came after terrorists attended an American university. Afterall, what better to solidify your beliefs that America is evil that hearing from an American professor?

Esthier on February 23, 2007 at 10:34 AM

How many of these Saudi “students” are women I wonder? Are they going to demand singlesex classrooms for them? It would be interesting to see the breakdown of male/female numbers on that list. My money says most likely there are no women.

labwrs on February 23, 2007 at 10:38 AM

The U.S. State Department, continuing their many years of undermining the security of the United States.

liberty on February 23, 2007 at 9:27 AM

Makes one wonder exactly which “State” they’re working for.

infidel4life on February 23, 2007 at 10:47 AM

I have two words for the State Department Spokesperson:

“Visa Express”

That and the award and huge bonus they gave the moron who came up with the Visa Express program (no interviews… no checks…. even after 9/11 it took a public outcry to shut it down). One wonders if they haven’t resurrected the Visa Express program yet.

Undermining the United States is right.

CrazyFool on February 23, 2007 at 11:04 AM

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wearyman on February 23, 2007 at 11:06 AM

Will these Saudi students have to suffer through all the “Women’s Studies” courses I had to take in the ’80s?

I’d like to imagine sparks would fly; however, I’m sure by the second class they’d have settled on a “Can’t we all just agree that Amerikkka sucks?” policy.

saint kansas on February 23, 2007 at 11:27 AM

The burkini! Oh yas. The Gap is all stocked up on muslim chic.

Why do we think we can change the muslim world view just by playing nice?

How is it the world comes here to be educated, but then spits on us in their own backyard?

When will we learn the definition of ‘sleeper’ or ‘duped’? (saudi student pilots!)

And is sheikh mohammed the evil twin of ron jeremy?

locomotivebreath1901 on February 23, 2007 at 11:52 AM

Collage kids and the State department, proof that we keep growing ‘em dumber and dumber.

RedinBlueCounty on February 23, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Importing future Muslim terrorists and sleeper cells, check. Importing wage undercutting workers from Mexico, check. Bush is a moron, check.

With 80% of the mosques in the USA Saudi funded, CAIR Saudi funded and yet some posters don’t see a problem? Well heck then let’s use our Haliburton time machines and go back to WWII. I’m sure you people would be comfortable about bringing Nazis over back then too.

Forget 9-11? Check.

Timber Wolf on February 23, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Wearyman, its your browser/monitor….you can fix it yourself.

I would think that would be the vast majority. Furthermore, I strongly doubt that the Saudis who hate America so much from birth would be coming over here to get a college education.

Like someone else stated here, with the libs and ward churchills of the universities pretty much in control, I don’t think many of the Suadi’s or any muslim Arab will change their minds. PLUS, after 18-19 years of being taught or brainwashed in wahabbi=ism, it would take much more than 4 years in college to change them. They will “see” what they’ve been taught, bikinis, alcohol, etc. Freedon to them will look like the horrors their imams said it would.
They would have to be open minded enough to be willing to see things differently. One thing I do know about islam is that it has NEVER been open minded, not in 1400 years.
As for future leaders? You don’t really think a Saudi student with a change of heart (likes America) has a chance of ‘leading’ anything in the sharia law centers of the world do you?

shooter on February 23, 2007 at 1:29 PM

asc85 states a disagreement with this vent on the belief that

I’d like to know how many Saudis have come here who have changed their feeling about America for the better.

15 of 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudi . . .13 of the 19 hijackers had entered the United States legally with valid visas. Of the 13, three of the hijackers had remained in the United States after their visas had expired.

The utter shame is how quickly some forget, or worse, ignore and then impose their belief to keep repeating the same exact experiment and expecting a different result – which is nothing more than pure suicidal insanity.

As for the expected increase of student visas to Saudi nationals supported by full scholarships we have our universities selling out to Saudi interests with ease and speed never before imagined possible. . .
Saudi Prince Gives Millions to Harvard and Georgetown (reported Dec 2005)
within one year of that announcement we learn:
Harvard in biggest curriculum overhaul in 30 years

heroyalwhyness on February 23, 2007 at 1:34 PM

Not only are our colleges the worst examples of teenage debauchery, they’re also home of the most ardent liberals, many who believe the world would be better off without America.
Do you seriously believe Ward Churchhill is good for any visitor from a country that may or may not be a sponsor of terrorism?
I’d even believe that some of these anti-American ideals came after terrorists attended an American university. Afterall, what better to solidify your beliefs that America is evil that hearing from an American professor?
Esthier on February 23, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Just thought that was worth repeating.

wearyman on February 23, 2007 at 11:06 AM

Are you using Firefox? Because i get the same thing in Firefox. Seems to work fine in IE7.

forged rite on February 23, 2007 at 2:09 PM

Now it is up to the campus chicks. The only way to sway those fanactics is Jell-o shots and body shots.

America is counting on you.

The problem with this approach is that while yes, they do often indulge in college frivolity while students here, they then go back to the sandbox and get all pious, condeming the evil US for corrupting them while they were impressionable youths. I know a lot of muslims who carp to me about how permissive it is here…

…but they don’t leave.

Bob's Kid on February 23, 2007 at 2:29 PM

asc85 states a disagreement with this vent on the belief that

I’d like to know how many Saudis have come here who have changed their feeling about America for the better.

15 of 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudi . . .13 of the 19 hijackers had entered the United States legally with valid visas. Of the 13, three of the hijackers had remained in the United States after their visas had expired.

The utter shame is how quickly some forget, or worse, ignore and then impose their belief to keep repeating the same exact experiment and expecting a different result – which is nothing more than pure suicidal insanity.

heroyalwhyness on February 23, 2007 at 1:34 PM

Your post actually supports what I said in my original post. You blocked/highlighted my quote on how many Saudis have changed their opinion for the better. Not only didn’t you answer my question. You talked about the 15 hijackers who were here from Saudi Arabia (which I haven’t forgotten about, by the way). So how many people from Saudi Arabia enter the United States on a yearly basis…only about 20 or so? How many of those hijackers came here to study in our colleges?

Are we going to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Do you seriously believe Ward Churchhill is good for any visitor from a country that may or may not be a sponsor of terrorism?

Esthier on February 23, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Sure Ward Churchill’s an a-hole…you’ll get no argument from me there. But are we going to base our policy on whether or not to bring foreign nationals to study at our universities on WARD CHURCHILL?

The xenophobic (good word, huh?) rhetoric by some on this board is remarkable.

asc85 on February 23, 2007 at 2:33 PM

xenophobic? Why not racist? Come on, I expect better from the likes of you.

If asc85 thinks anyone on this board is going to do ‘research’ to support his mythical moderate majority from SA nonsense – he’s sadly mistaken. Asc85 believes in (Saudi) unicorns – and because he says they exist, I’m supposed to simply accept that.

Go ahead and provide the obvious many examples out there waiting to be revealed. I’ll wait.

heroyalwhyness on February 23, 2007 at 3:37 PM

The number of Saudi Royal Princes that have descended on our Armed Forces through diplomatic deal making for “spying” “training” which they will personally NEVER use, is STAGGERING. Their attitudes while they are here is nothing short of ARROGANT and dismissive, bacause they are lets us not forget—ROYALTY.

Jane, when I was at the Advanced Course at Fort Lee many years ago, there was a Saudi Royal in our group. He was quite the arrogant arse. He would go out to the bars (actually we had to go to Richmond) with the rest of the singles in the class, get drunk, have an accident and skate. I don’t know what happened after he went back to Saudi Arabia but I’m sure he’s funding the insurgents as we speak.

Catie96706 on February 23, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Sure Ward Churchill’s an a-hole…you’ll get no argument from me there. But are we going to base our policy on whether or not to bring foreign nationals to study at our universities on WARD CHURCHILL?

The xenophobic (good word, huh?) rhetoric by some on this board is remarkable.

asc85 on February 23, 2007 at 2:33 PM

My point isn’t to just single out Ward but actually to imply that he isn’t alone out there. Colleges are overwhelmingly liberal, which may or may not reach the level of Churchhill, but certainly don’t inspire love of the US.

And I’m saying this as someone who attended a baptist university in the South.

The assinine protests you see on college campuses everywhere, including those against the military, aren’t just coincidentally on universities. They are spawned in universities.

Xenophobic? Give me a break. I’m not saying they should be kept out of the country. I’m only saying that it’s naive to believe our colleges could convince someone to love this country if that person doesn’t already feel that way.

I’m saying that if a country may or may not have financial ties to terrorism, the people there might not be predisposed to like America and will only find support for their anti-Americanism within universities.

I’m saying that in countries where modesty is embraced, American “Spring-Breakers” won’t exactly inspire any love of America.

If stating the obvious is xenophobic, then fine, call me a xenophobe.

Personally, I perfer being able to see that the empirer is naked rather than having to gawk at his naked body and call his clothing beautiful.

Esthier on February 23, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Go ahead and provide the obvious many examples out there waiting to be revealed. I’ll wait.

heroyalwhyness on February 23, 2007 at 3:37 PM

You can try to shift the argument any way you wish, but if my prior comments don’t demonstrate my point to you, I’m certainly not wasting my time trying to convince you further. Whether or not you agree with my point means very little to me.

asc85 on February 23, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Great Vent!

To think that Muslims will become more enamored with the United States by spending time here is naive. Muslims are indoctrinated by the tenants of their faith, and Islam clearly indicates that those who do not believe as they do are infidels, must be converted or conquered, and Muslims simply do not have the same values as we do in so many ways. Their values are not going to change because they are tied to tenants of Islamic doctrine.

It is sad to think that we are deliberately participating in the training of our enemies. Perhaps one day we will understand how important nationalism is, how precious are nation is, and stop trying to pander to our enemies.

omegaram on February 23, 2007 at 6:32 PM

They come over to steal our technical strengths and learn our psychological / historical weaknesses.

Let them build up a university system in their own intellectually retrograde land and the hell with accomodating these intolerant, arrogant pismires.

We gain nothing from allowing Islamic crypto-imperialists into our sphere of influence, except to monitor them. And we have plenty to look after already.

They have comtempt for all that the West stands for.

Let them stand in Mecca and throw stones at a pillar and feel superior.

Who needs the trouble?

profitsbeard on February 23, 2007 at 10:58 PM

The U.S. State Department, continuing their many years of undermining the security of the United States.
liberty

Another “Ditto” here liberty. I am living in angst over what appears to be this “touchy-feely” student program. Like Eric stated, you got Saudi’s supposedly “hand picked” by the King, brought up on hating Joooooos, Christians and every other infidel, they come to colleges here, hook up with the looney left, make contacts for plans to thurn the whole USA upside down funding them with petrol dollars and…. Come on! ou gotta be saying WTF like I am.

“I’m only saying that it’s naive to believe our colleges could convince someone to love this country if that person doesn’t already feel that way.” Esthier

So after they are spoon fed all the anti-iinfidel hate in the Wahabbi schools they come to the US colleges that teach them all the hate Amerika screed and that about rounds them out. You got Esthier.

And all you lety/socialis/commies that care to contiually beat the race/bigot/xenephobia/home horse–get the f**k out of this country. Pure and simple. Get the f**k out of my country. My soldiers are not dying for your a**es. Out!\

auspatriotman on February 23, 2007 at 11:18 PM

BTW, Erick is good. Have him more often please. Thank You.

auspatriotman on February 23, 2007 at 11:19 PM

There was a great op-ed by Nick Cohen in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal about the attraction between white lefties and radical Islam:

“Now overwhelmingly and everywhere you find people who scream their heads off about the smallest sexist or racist remark, yet refuse to confront ultra-reactionary movements that explicitly reject every principle they profess to hold.”

saint kansas on February 24, 2007 at 11:02 AM

Wow Erick… that was well done !

Maxx on February 24, 2007 at 1:33 PM

I remember during the Liberation Invasion of Iraq two Helicopter guys were shot down and captured. They were on the Letterman Show afterwards and they said when the Iraqis captured them they pulled out DVD’s they had in their helicopter and asked them “why did you bring this to our country?” Yeah they were taught that Hollywood would come and make them infedels. Or maybe they saw Ishtar? That would scare me to if I thought all American movies were like that.

Drtuddle on February 24, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Hang on Eric
I thought Khaled Shiekh Mohammed was John Belushi

uptight on February 24, 2007 at 4:13 PM

Emotionally, I care little for the idea of Saudi Neanderthals coming to America by the thousands, of whom some undoubtedly will be terrorists committed to destroying America. It does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling to hear that the Saudi government is hand-picking the students because 1) the Saudis are the biggest liars on the face of the Earth; and 2) the Saudis have institutionalized hatred of America in their government; 3) the Saudis are the authors of the Sep 11 attacks and still blame it on the Jews; 4) the Saudi embassy, here in Washington, DC, only a couple miles from where Saudi Wahhabi scum hit the Pentagon, distributes tourist guides to Muslims reminding them they have a religious duty to hate America; 5) the Saudis run a Muslim high school here which teaches its students to hate and make war on non-Muslims and has produced two terrorists (that we know of); 6) the Saudis fund, recruit, and send jihadis to Iraq to kill Americans and Iraqis; and 7) the Wahhabi state religion of the Saudis is a cancer on humankind that must be extirpated.

Nevertheless, I support this scholarship program with gritted teeth as the best thing in the long term. Our civilization is superior to the medieval culture of the backward Saudis. The more immersion they have with America, the sooner their contemptible culture will implode. Sending Saudis back to their hellish society bearing the germ of American democracy and individual rights is the absolutely worst thing we can do to destroy Wahhabi society in the long term.

Now I don’t pretend to think this will Americanize the Saudis anymore than it would Americanize camels put on scholarship in American universities. The Saudi students will learn to crudely ape American ways while here but revert to barbarians when they return home. The experience will radicalize many of them when they realize how inferior their country and they are to America and Americans. Their solution will be to retreat further into their evil religion.

The worst of the Wahhabis will never accept a scholarship to America. They would shun such a secular education like they would shun a scholarship to a yeshiva to become a rabbi. Saudis who come to America to study are conceding that America has something to teach them. Saudis are a hypocritical culture who say one thing and do the opposite. While Saudis may criticize America while students here, the fact that they have come here rebuts their criticism.

Many, if not most, of these Saudis will flunk out, returning home as failures. It’s good that Saudis go home realizing that they can’t cut it competing with Americans. They will invent absurd stories to shift the blame for their failure to the infidels. However, when they get the chance, they will send their kids back to America for their education.

The most important thing that will happen when Saudis come to America and walk around free is that it provides them the opportunity to test the incessant propaganda at home against the reality in America. They’ve been taught that America is at war with Islam. After they’ve kicked around America they’ll realize that we don’t give a flip about Islam. There are hundreds of things they were taught were true at home that they will discover to be lies here. That is a profoundly explosive thing to learn. They will return home wondering if anything they are told is true.

It is also very useful for Saudis to get a taste for the good things in life denied them back home like movies, concerts, night life, and free speech. That stokes a hunger for such things back in Saudi Arabia. Such a hunger upsets the status quo.

It’s true that our military has accepted many Saudis for training but it’s also true that very few of them have returned home trained. From what I hear from eyewitnesses, the Saudis barely show up, learn little, and leave with a gentleman’s C. If they are particularly well connected, the school might even make them a distinguished graduate. The Saudi officer corps has no interest in doing their jobs nor any competence to do so.

That’s why after billions of Saudi petrodollars spent on the best American weapons and training for their military, the Saudis had to call us to defend them when Saddam invaded Kuwait. America has no interest in making the Saudi military effective. It’s good to relieve the Saudis of their surplus billions for training they neglect and weapons they have no clue how to use.

The two-faced Saudis realize that their way of life is inferior to the Western way of life, that they must change to be competitive, no matter how much venom they spew to the contrary. Every Saudi student who graduates from an American university is a cultural nail in the Wahhabi coffin. Bring them on.

Tantor on February 24, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Just how many of these Saudi scholarships to the US are going to (hand picked Saudi females)? I doubt it’s 50/50.

The impact you expect would not likely take place in the kingdom of misogyny without the female population making significant strides towards equality.

heroyalwhyness on February 24, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Considering that far too many of America’s colleges and universities ARE bastions of debauchery and liberalism, it is not hard to understand why any person of moral principle would NOT view America as vulgar.

I keep thinking back to that e-mail pictorial of a few years ago as to why the chinese kick our asses in Chemistry and Physics. One picture of staid Chinese students at their college followed by nude American co-eds and drunken frat boys at theirs.

If anything, what these Saudis will see while here might solidify their negative views of America and Americans.

pubscout on February 25, 2007 at 1:51 PM

The difference between Chinese college and US college is that our colleges are rich because our system produces wealth better than theirs. Chinese colleges must cherry pick their top students for their places. If they fail, they know their life will suffer. In America, just about anybody can get into college. There are plenty of dedicated American students, as the Chinese have, but we also have many students who are not so serious and party hearty. The Chinese can’t afford such a luxury. Those mediocre students end up in the fields. It is to our credit that we can educate our second and third string students while the Chinese can not afford to develop the mental capital of their masses to our standard.

Tantor on February 25, 2007 at 3:39 PM

If anything, what these Saudis will see while here might solidify their negative views of America and Americans. – pubscout

Realize that these Saudi’s on student visas are likely to explore and fully experience debauchery first hand and then condemn it.

heroyalwhyness on February 25, 2007 at 3:41 PM