I hate Lou Dobbs with a passion, he’s a complete economic and business fool.

jp on February 22, 2007 at 11:42 PM

Illegal immigration is a huge problem, but the North American Union is bunk.

elpresidente on February 22, 2007 at 11:45 PM

Again. No debate. No conflicting info. No arguing the points.

John Hawkins has written several solid posts debunking it. I linked one right here in this very post; I’ve linked to others in the past. There’s plenty of argument and conflicting info there.

Funny how no one complains about the “lack of debate” when I do quick-take goofs on 9/11 Truthers.

Allahpundit on February 22, 2007 at 11:48 PM

I thought Gregor’s comment was towards Lou Dobbs, not allahpundit?

jp on February 22, 2007 at 11:51 PM

That’s a perfect description of Dobbs show.

forged rite on February 22, 2007 at 11:50 PM

How so? He goes into detail, displaying dates, names, documents, and eye witnesses. Allah or Hawkins refuse to debate a single point, other than to just say “it isn’t so.”

Gregor on February 22, 2007 at 11:59 PM

Well, the minute low paid Mexican drivers start taking jobs away from American truck drivers, transfer warehouses etc, the real danger of this will be evident.

Is there proof? Not really. But suggesting that people who think there is a real concern here are akin to the 9/11 conspiracy moonbats is disengenuous. We do have an example of US corporations sending US jobs to another country….it was called NAFTA.

After all our manufacturing jobs are gone, all that will be left is service jobs. Well, gardening, hotel service, food service, etc, have mostly gone to people who accept lower pay for the same job. Who cares? Well, we all will when skilled labor jobs are being taken by Mexicans who do as good a job but cheaper, and the company pockets the profits instead of passing them on. When your plumber, electrician, and mechanic are getting paid a lower wage american citizens will do what job and keep their standard of living?

This is a slippery slope. We need to oppose ANY program that allows mexicans to be free to take any job they can get after they are here.

I have seen it with my own eyes. Not all immigrants work in the fields.

csdeven on February 23, 2007 at 12:08 AM

why exactly would Chinese ships need to dock in Mexico and then have goods shipped by truck ( Mexican trucks!) to Canada?
All this super-scary-secret conspiracy stuff just to provide make-work for Mexican long haul drivers?

billy on February 23, 2007 at 12:10 AM

Dobbs has been talking about the NAU forever. You’re really on top of this subject, Allah! No wonder you’re so certain about it!

Hey, remember when you doubted the Ramos beating story? Never followed up on that, did you…

Alex K on February 23, 2007 at 12:14 AM

Hey, remember when you doubted the Ramos beating story? Never followed up on that, did you…

Alex K on February 23, 2007 at 12:14 AM

And how many times did Allah apologize for the Jamil Hussein story simply because the AP said they had confirmed the story through an “unidentified” source? We all know how THAT turned out.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 12:23 AM

Superhighway? Didn’t we already establish that this was complete crap? That there is a group advocating growing business, etc. around and maintaining an existing highway?

Anyway, heads up Gregor, we’ll jail you if you don’t convert to the Amero with us.

Join us! Join us! Join us! (/brainwashed zombie voice)

RightWinged on February 23, 2007 at 12:30 AM

Gregor,

You need a rabbit cage, some lighter fluid, and a large cinder block.

Then we’ll see.

a4g on February 23, 2007 at 12:38 AM

The announcement about bilingual school teachers to teach the Mexican kids is outrageous!

My wife came here at eight years of age and outperformed her black, Hispanic, and Caucasian peers, as did her sisters and brother and cousins.

My wife’s cousin cam to the US from Taiwan at six years of age, barely able to speak English.

She attended a public school in Philadelphia which did NOT provide any assistance to her in translation in order to help her to understand the material in her classes. Her father and mother helped her with her homework.

She did not do well in school to start, but she did pass her classes. The next year she earned As in her classes.

This bilingual business is crap! It is catering to a specific preferred group and is a burden on everyone else, while allowing the preferred group to avoid blending with the country and culture in which they live, but expecting the country and culture in which they live to bend to THEIR dictates!

When my wife was graduating high school, she and her Asian-Oriental friends were refused grants for minorities because they, as Asians-Orientals did not qualify as a minority for those free grants, but blacks, Hispanics, and “Native Americans” qualified as minorities for free government grants for minorities.

Nevertheless, she and her friends went on to college, worked their way through, taking jobs on the side and studying rather than going off and partying. They outperformed their black, Hispanic, and Caucasian peers in scholastic performance in grade school, and high school, and continued to outperform their black, Hispanic, and Caucasian peers in college entrance to graduation rates.

They went on to earn their degrees, get jobs, earn a good living, and many now are married, have families, homes, the works.

The whole “preferred minorities” business is nonsense! If people whose culture and language is so removed from our own can outperform blacks, Hispanics, and Caucasians in a culture which is more aligned with us, what excuse is there for our not producing as well? What excuse is there for granting bilingual teachers when Chinese, Indian, Korean, Thai, and Vietnamese children outperform their Spanish speaking peers while their Spanish speaking peers get Spanish speaking teachers and the Asian-Oriental students don’t?

I hope for the day when this nonsense is no more!

William

William2006 on February 23, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Fools………

The idiot responsible for our troubles, regarding illegal immigration, is the one writing the legislation that causes concern:

Ted Kennedy was a strong supporter of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act which dramatically changed US immigration policy. [4] “The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.” (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.).

My favorit quote:

The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants.

Please, anyone want to name a single government program that is not filled with waste, fraud, and abuse, and instead of fixing the problem , has only increased it?

How about the war on poverty? 3 Trillion and change, and counting???

Does anyone see a problem in “the swimmers” legislation?

Where the He#l is the fence?

Habla Espanol?

PinkyBigglesworth on February 23, 2007 at 1:35 AM

Lou Dobbs has lost his mind! CNN must have idiots for producers. I doubt Dobbs will be talking about this again. The response will hopefully cause them to do their homework.

The idea of wielding influence on Mexico’s economy and society is a necessity. Anything to reduce the urge to violate our borders, even a step sideways - bringing Chinese manufacturing to Mexico, would be helpful.

But to suggest that an American Union with these poor underdeveloped countries is a joke. We already have a union of states, thank you.

Agrippa2k on February 23, 2007 at 1:54 AM

Is there something in this clip that has been debunked or am I supposed to dismiss any talk of North American integration as soon as I hear it?

We are importing Mexico’s criminals now, and I mean transporting them here on purpose, prosecuting them and incarcerating them on our dime for crimes they did in Mexico. That is, some of their drug kingpins who weren’t government sanctioned.

If we have already integrated the justice system, why should I believe we aren’t in the process of integrating other things?

Perchant on February 23, 2007 at 2:44 AM

If we have already integrated the justice system, why should I believe we aren’t in the process of integrating other things?

Perchant on February 23, 2007 at 2:44 AM

Because Allah says so.
Because Hawkins says so.
Because Johnny Sutton says so.
And because Robert Pastor says so.

And we all know, if they say so … it’s fact, regardless of what you see in front of your face.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 2:55 AM

It’s amazing how all the never before seen screen IDs just magically appear every time there’s a post on border security or the NAU. And they all happen to sound exactly the same, yelling words like “fools, idiots, off his rocker, stupid, retards, truthers, bunk, of course … nutjobs.”

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 2:37 AM

That’s because it’s a conspiracy and we’re all part of the illuminati and we’re out to get you. Now me and Rummy need to go on Priceline and book our tickets to the next Bilderberg meeting to come up with a way to silence you.

Seriously though Gregor, stop spilling our secrets or your family will never see a single Amero unit in the New World, and there’s nothing you’ll be able to do to help them.

RightWinged on February 23, 2007 at 3:58 AM

Yeah, no problem here……..

PinkyBigglesworth on February 23, 2007 at 4:53 AM

CNN: Conspiracy News Network?

I think Dobbs did that segment just so he could launch into his arrogant, power-grabbing Bush rant.

flipflop on February 23, 2007 at 7:34 AM

Hehehehe….works for me. We can refer to the $100 bills as Z28’s.

Shouldn’t that be Zed28’s?

Slublog on February 23, 2007 at 8:37 AM

Superhighway? Didn’t we already establish that this was complete crap? That there is a group advocating growing business, etc. around and maintaining an existing highway?

Who is this “we” you say has established. Established means something is stated and built on facts and with a foundation. Show me the facts that “we” have established, aside from sarcastic denial and mockery of anyone who might think this subject at the very least bears some citizen vigilance.

It appears to be quite a bit more than “advocating growing business…around and maintaining an existing highway.”

But don’t take my word for it. The Texas Department of Transporation has a lot to say about it.

http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/

Unless, of course, the official website of the state of Texas is too full of wacky conspiracy for you.

thebaldchick on February 23, 2007 at 9:13 AM

RightWinged on February 23, 2007 at 3:58 AM

“We, we, we, we, we” …

Rightwinged, why do you include yourself in with all these never before seen screen IDs?

I didn’t.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 10:15 AM

From the dissenting views of the Task Force for a North American Community:

This report articulates a vision and offers specific ideas for deepening North American integration. I endorse it with enthusiasm, but would add two ideas to galvanize the effort and secure its implementation: a customs union and U.S. government reorganization.

… but as occurred with NAFTA, a bolder goal is more likely to succeed than a timid one. We should negotiate a Customs Union within five years. That alone will eliminate rules of origin. This will not be easy, but it will not be harder than NAFTA, and mobilizing support for a Customs Union will invigorate the entire North American project.

Facing difficult trade-offs between private and North American interests, we tend to choose the private, parochial option. This explains the frustration of Canada and Mexico. To remedy this chronic problem, President Bush should appoint a special assistant on North American Affairs to chair a Cabinet committee to recommend ways to breathe life into a North American Community. A presidential directive should support this by instructing the Cabinet to give preference to North America.

Robert A. Pastor

States sometimes give up individual sovereignty in favor of a common or joint approach because that is the best way to solve a problem. But, in the trade-offs the benefits must outweigh the costs. I am not persuaded that the benefits of a common security perimeter are worth the risks in harmonizing visa and asylum regulations.

Thomas S. Axworthy

North American integration must work for the average citizen. When adequate public policies are in place to foster economic and social cohesion, increased trade and investment flows will only improve the living standard of the majority of the population.

Economic and social cohesion in Mexico is in the interest of North American integration, because it will result in an expansion of the domestic market and it will reduce the flows of undocumented northward migration, thus enhancing security in Mexico, the United States, and Canada.

Carlos Heredia

… I am concerned that the report pays too little attention to how the costs of regional integration might be alleviated and how the benefits of integration might be more equitably distributed. As a result, the Task Force appears to be proposing a form of integration that will generate large numbers of losers as well as winners.

For instance, the report does not mention the need for compensatory or remedial social policies by any of the three governments, especially Canada and the United States.

Much less does it suggest any trinational mechanism to assist those harmed by economic integration. Instead, the report appears to accept the assumption that economic integration always benefits average people. This assumption must be tempered by an understanding of how integration often plays out in the real world.

The community advocated by the Task Force has much to recommend it, but it is not the only North American community that could be created. Ultimately, the appeal and success of regional integration will depend on how well a deeper North American partnership actually serves the interests of average citizens in all three countries.

Chappell H. Lawson

With regard to energy, I believe that any discussion of this topic must take into account the sovereign right of each nation to define its own strategy.

Beatriz Paredes

Note: Remember, that last one is a “dissenting” view.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 11:13 AM

From the “What we should do now” section:

• Establish a common security perimeter by 2010.

The governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States should articulate as their long-term goal a common security perimeter for North America. In particular, the three governments should strive toward a situation in which a terrorist trying to penetrate our borders will have an equally hard time doing so, no matter which country he elects to enter first. We believe that these measures should be extended to include a commitment to common approaches toward international negotiations on the global movement of people, cargo, and vessels. Like free trade a decade ago, a common security perimeter for North America is an ambitious but achievable goal that will require specific policy, statutory, and procedural changes in all three nations.

Already being done

• Develop a North American Border Pass.

The three countries should develop a secure North American Border Pass with biometric identifiers. This document would allow its bearers expedited passage through customs, immigration, and airport security throughout the region. The program would be modeled on the U.S.-Canadian “NEXUS” and the U.S.-Mexican “SENTRI” programs, which provide “smart cards” to allow swifter passage to those who pose no risk. Only those who voluntarily seek, receive, and pay the costs for a security clearance would obtain a Border Pass. The pass would be accepted at all border points within North America as a complement to, but not a replacement for, national identity documents or passports.

Already being done.

• Develop a unified North American border action plan.

The closing of the borders following the 9/11 attacks awakened all three governments to the need for rethinking management of the borders. Intense negotiations produced the bilateral “Smart Borders” agreements. Although the two borders are different and may in certain instances require policies that need to be implemented at two speeds, cooperation by the three governments in the following areas would lead to a better result than a “dual-bilateral” approach:

o Harmonize visa and asylum regulations, including convergence of the list of “visa waiver” countries;
o Harmonize entry screening and tracking procedures for people, goods, and vessels (including integration of name-based and biometric watch lists);
o Harmonize exit and export tracking procedures;
o Fully share data about the exit and entry of foreign nationals; and
o Jointly inspect container traffic entering North American ports, building on the Container Security Initiative.

Already being done or in progress.

• Expand border infrastructure.

While trade has nearly tripled across both borders since the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (FTA) and NAFTA were implemented, border customs facilities and crossing infrastructure have not kept pace with this increased demand. Even if 9/11 had not occurred, trade would be choked at the border. There have been significant new investments to speed processing along both the Canadian-U.S. and Mexican-U.S. borders, but not enough to keep up with burgeoning demand and additional security requirements. The three governments should examine the options for additional border facilities and expedite their construction. In addition to allowing for continued growth in the volume of transborder traffic, such investments must incorporate the latest technology, and include facilities and procedures that move as much processing as possible away from the border.

Already being done.

WHAT WE SHOULD DO BY 2010

• Lay the groundwork for the freer flow of people within North America.

The three governments should commit themselves to the long-term goal of dramatically diminishing the need for the current intensity of the governments’ physical control of cross-border traffic, travel, and trade within North America. A long-term goal for a North American border action plan should be joint screening of travelers from third countries at their first point of entry into North America and the elimination of most controls over the temporary movement of these travelers within North America.

BINGO! Open borders!

So, for all you who claim this is all just fantasy. Please point out a single step in the “plan” which is not currently taking place, and if all the “steps” are currently taking place … please explain what you base your opinion on that we’re all just nutjobs.

People like Allah and Hawkins will tell you that this is “only a suggestion” and that it doesn’t mean our government will follow the path. Unfortunately, as you can see … it would seem the path is being followed step for step, regardless of what Robert Pastor or Tony Snow would tell you.

I choose to believe what I see in front of my face, rather than simply take the word of someone like Robert Pastor when he claims it’s all an illusion.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 11:56 AM

Read up, everyone: How to speak Canadian. (BAD HTML WARNING: White letters on red background)

Slublog on February 23, 2007 at 12:47 PM

Read Corsi’s response to John Hawkins.

You won’t ever see Allah linking to that.

The real question is who wrote it.

Slublog on February 23, 2007 at 1:04 PM

If there is a group in our gov’t working on this I am not particulared concerned. The idea has no constiuency.

Bill C on February 23, 2007 at 1:13 PM

I am against an open border which is hugely disruptive to our society imposing costs on the vast majority and benefits only to those who want to pay less for labor.

Bill C on February 23, 2007 at 1:13 PM

Bill, I’m not really sure what your stance is. You posted two conflicting sentences in the same comment.

How can you write that you’re

“not particulared concerned” … “If there is a group in our gov’t working on this”

while at the same time writing

“I am against an open border which is hugely disruptive to our society imposing costs on the vast majority and benefits only to those who want to pay less for labor

?”

As pointed out in my post above and taken directly from the task force suggestions …

WHAT WE SHOULD DO BY 2010

• Lay the groundwork for the freer flow of people within North America.

The three governments should commit themselves to the long-term goal of dramatically diminishing the need for the current intensity of the governments’ physical control of cross-border traffic, travel, and trade within North America. A long-term goal for a North American border action plan should be joint screening of travelers from third countries at their first point of entry into North America and the elimination of most controls over the temporary movement of these travelers within North America.

It would seem that you have plenty of reason to be concerned, especially being that every other suggestion made so far has been implemented and documented.

Again, it seems everyone wants to just cross their fingers and hope they don’t succeed.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Whao slublog, good link. I won’t be linking to anymore Corsi articles.

But, with the refusal to make English as the official language of the US, enforce our borders or our laws as they pertain to illegals, and the incredible pandering to illegals in our hospitals, schools, welfare programs, banks, jails, and infrastructure (having street signs in spanish, grocery store signs, etc.) it’s hard for me to believe that our government doesn’t have a larger plan for the idiotic policies they’ve been upholding.

NTWR on February 23, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Read Corsi’s response to John Hawkins.

You won’t ever see Allah linking to that.

I’d never link to Corsi? Really?

Allahpundit on February 23, 2007 at 1:55 PM

What I cannot figure out is the denial by my fellow forum members that usually are able to use their crtical thinking skills to debate the issues.

Allah has only linked to Corsi once in the time that I have been a forum member here even though many here have been providing links to Corsi going back a year.

What I object to is the framing of the issue and some here trying to say this is a conspiracy. They try and link the 911 truthers to Corsi and some here have even tried to link Dr. Corsi to Alex Jones because he has posted some articles about the North American Union on his website.

Ridicule is the last resort of those who have lost the argument, as the skeptics clearly have.

There is no “conspiracy theory” here, whether about black helicopters or anything else. The evidence that supports the idea of a strategy aimed at ending U.S. sovereignty by creating a borderless world is in print, often by the authors of its own longstanding advocates, for those who can read plain English. Screaming “conspiracy theory” is nothing more than commiting a strawman (an informal fallacy of basic logic).

First, John Hawkins and the North American Union deniers have it all wrong.

They keep attacking Joseph Corsi, Phyllis Schlafly, the minuteman and many other well-respected conservatives as conspiracy theorists, wackos and much worse.

Dictionary.com defines a conspiracy as; “an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons.”

The Security and Prosperity Partnership is not being conducted in secret and the facts are on the websites of the United State Government, CFR, Texas DOT and many others if you take the time to read them. Just because the MSM does not cover, what is going on does not make it secret.

Therefore, this is where Mr. Hawkins and other detractors are completely wrong and it exposes them of being naïve about the facts of what is occurring behind closed doors but available to read if only you take the time to educate yourself.

The SPP or NAU are not a conspiracy. You can read the thousands of pages of documents on the internet at Joseph Corsi’s website, Judicial Watch, Worldnetdaily, The Eagle Forum and hundreds of others take your pick. For the heck of it I did a Google this morning on the North American Union and it resulted in over 106 million hits. Some secret.

What bothers me is what is it exactly that you object to?

Do you think that the NAU/SPP is a good idea? Do you think GWB has a right to do an end run around Congress and implement these agreements and working groups without debate?

More importantly, don’t you think we should amend the Constitution before we completely render it meaningless by allowing the WTO and UN to govern the former USA?

ScottyDog on February 23, 2007 at 2:55 PM

I’d never link to Corsi? Really?

Allahpundit on February 23, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Funny. I don’t recall claiming that you would never link to Corsi. I wrote that you would never link to the “debunking” of Hawkins’ nonsense.

Read Corsi’s response to John Hawkins.

You won’t ever see Allah linking to that.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 12:51 PM

Your post linked to a story about Michael Medved.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 3:10 PM

Mellen on February 23, 2007 at 2:03 PM

I agree 100%! I believe we have between now and the time they sign this amnesty bill to stop it. Once that bill is signed, it’s a done deal.

The question is … is there something we can do to stop that bill from being signed?

Doubtful, but not impossible. It’s going to take everyone getting involved, hitting the streets, and refusing to use the “I have something planned” excuse.

Contact Let Freedom Ring America and American Citizens First to find out what you can do to get involved. Those of you who are whining about what’s going on, do it now.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 3:24 PM

As I stated earlier, it’s clear there’s something going on. Why does it have to be at one extreme or the other? Why, instead of attacking each other’s positions, aren’t people trying to figure out what exactly these meetings between the Bush admin and Mexico are about?

I’m interested in hearing more but I’m not drawing any conclusions until things are investigated more fully.

I certainly wouldn’t put it beyond our President to sell out this country. He’s been doing it with illegal immigration already.

Benaiah on February 23, 2007 at 4:37 PM

I’m interested in hearing more but I’m not drawing any conclusions until things are investigated more fully.

Benaiah on February 23, 2007 at 4:37 PM

Who’s going to “investigate more fully?” We have sitting U.S. Congressmen holding press conferences trying to tell the American people what’s going on, and they are then called nutjobs and have Photoshopped pics of themselves posted on the internet by Allah. It’s not just one congressman. There are many.

And how long are we going to wait for that “investigation” to take place? Especially knowing that the Senate amnesty bill is almost complete and that once it’s signed … we’re finished.

I certainly wouldn’t put it beyond our President to sell out this country. He’s been doing it with illegal immigration already.

Benaiah on February 23, 2007 at 4:37 PM

And not one of the people mocking NAU theories can explain the reason Bush would do this, other than to suggest that the President of the United States is a complete idiot and somehow believes total amnesty to 30,000 illegals is a good thing, or that giving amnesty will somehow magically cause the Hispanic vote to switch to the GOP. You know, those same illegals who walk the streets calling Bush a Nazi. They’re going to suddenly vote Republican.

And then in the very next breath, they’ll talk about what a brilliant man he is, and how much credit he deserves. Apparently, we’re to believe that the President is brilliant, but 85% of the population is even smarter than he is.

Is that really possible, or is it more likely that he knows exactly what he’s doing but has more important agendas which force him to ignore what’s good for the country?

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 4:53 PM

Gregor.

It’s your job to prove it.

It isn’t our job to disprove it.

You haven’t proved it.

At all.

spmat on February 23, 2007 at 5:29 PM

It’s your job to prove it.

spmat on February 23, 2007 at 5:29 PM

Spmat … I hope you’re not a Christian using that argument. If so, how hypocritical is that?

You can’t prove it, so we have to assume it doesn’t exist.

Wow.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 6:04 PM

In this thread alone there are links to official government sites, Texas govt, US embassy in Canada ect ect all confirming that this is being worked on. Are you people saying offical govenment websites have been hacked or spoofed or are you not bothering to read them before calling this a crazy conspiracy???

It is right there on a website run by the USA government including a specfic timetable recomendation that we should move to integrate all 3 countries retirement systems, allow worker mobility, borderless transportation for trade Corp., a common external border for security, a common external tarrif, expand NORAD services to Mecico ect ect ….

honestly are you doubters not reading this or what? Where is the conspiracy when it is a US govt website?

Resolute on February 23, 2007 at 6:27 PM

http://canada.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/northamericancommunity_TF_final.pdf

Resolute on February 23, 2007 at 6:31 PM

Can someone tell me why everyone seems to be of like mind that the media lies about the war and Bush. And yet they are more than willing to consider as Presidential candidates the very people the media chooses to tout as “frontrunners”. To me if the media puts their stamp of approval on them then I will look the other way.
I would rather support Tancredo or Duncan Hunter than sany of those preening clowns highlighted by the media.

Mellen on February 23, 2007 at 7:05 PM

For you doubters this just in;

“It’s official: Mexican trucks coming 100 companies will have unlimited access to U.S. roads”

“One hundred Mexican trucking companies will have unlimited access to U.S. roads to haul international cargo as part of a year-long pilot program, the Department of Transportation announced today

In return, 100 U.S. trucking companies will be allowed to operate in Mexico but at a later date.

Calling for congressional hearings, Teamsters General President Jimmy Hoffa compared the announcement to the “Dubai Ports debacle,” charging President Bush is “playing a game of Russian roulette on America’s highways.”

ScottyDog on February 23, 2007 at 7:35 PM

So you admit that this is a kind of religious obsession for you then? Good to know you’ve let that off your chest.

spmat on February 23, 2007 at 7:22 PM

ROFL! Yeah, that’s it. I definitely said that. I admitted that. It’s a religious thing for me. Yep. The NAU is all about God, lol.

Huh?

Dude! You’re killing me.

Mellen, notice how spmat is desperately trying to change the subject? His comments are not even remotely related to the subject. This isn’t by accident.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 7:48 PM

Resolute on February 23, 2007 at 9:04 PM

I posted the same link earlier, and even went as far as to copy and past two pages. I honestly believe they know what’s going on, but they own stock in a few Mexican companies or something. There comments indicate an intention to mislead, rather than honest opinion.

Gregor on February 23, 2007 at 9:09 PM

The link is instantly compelling as soon as you read it and it is on the domain of the embassy website. IMHO Allahpundit should either come back and tell us this is an elaborate website spoof (unlikely since a google search immediatly brings you to the same site) or that he was wrong do dismiss the idea as he does.

Resolute on February 23, 2007 at 9:25 PM

Funny how no one complains about the “lack of debate” when I do quick-take goofs on 9/11 Truthers.[/quote]

We all complain about lack of debate when there’s no debate, Allan. lol

We have a group who visit our site — who in the past have been pretty credible people, but have apparently fallen into the Conspiracy Theory Rut — which includes believing, and PRESENTING evidence that isn’t completely accurate, or is taken piecemeal from other information.

Most of what John Hawkins found is easily found by ANYONE taking the time to do the SEARCHING (I found most of it in the last few days after a battle ensued). In fact, I only just found Mr. Hawkins’ material a few hours ago, and have quoted from it heavily simply because I’d FOUND it already myself and I’d left my notes at my job… and I really needed to respond to some stuff tonight.

Conspiracy theorists aren’t generally Right Wingers… they are almost ALWAYS left wingers, who are very hateful to a Right Wing government (I know this because I’ve been dealing with these guys for 25 or more years). There are, of course Conspiracy Theorists on all sides of the spectrum about many things — but when a Right Winger steps out on that limb…. damn, you just want to slap them off the branch.

Rick Donaldson on February 23, 2007 at 9:59 PM

If our government would build the damn fence and make it impossible for any illegal alien to hold a job in the US I would be more than happy to dismiss the NAU as a conspiracy theory. Does anyone think I’ll be dining on crow anytime soon? Of course not, Obama, Al Gore and Hillary love illegal aliens just as much as Giuliani and McCain and George W Bush.

Those who want to marginalize those of us who fear that a NAU is coming should consider that the EU started as nothing more than a series of trade agreements too. You should also remember that NAFTA was Jimmy Carter’s baby and Bill Clinton signed it into law in 1993. http://www.historycentral.com/Documents/Clinton/SigningNaFTA.html

I prefer to run with a better crowd.

Buzzy on February 23, 2007 at 10:30 PM

For you doubters this just in;

“It’s official: Mexican trucks coming 100 companies will have unlimited access to U.S. roads”

Truck drivers loaded with cerveza no doubt. Where’s the outrage?

Valiant on February 24, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Everything I’ve read about this coming North American Trade Union scares the crap out of me. It’s the entire concept, as George W. Bush recently said, “Money trumps peace” and of course it follows money trumps laws and money trumps national sovereignty, money trumps the will of the people and on and on.

I think what scares me the most is that both sides of the aisle is in with all this, Democrat and Republican. I keep feeling that it is going to happen no matter who we vote for or what we do and “The United States of America” will just be a quaint notion.

In 2001 I first read this press release and couldn’t really believe it could ever happen but then last year I learned that my land was going to be smack dab in the path of the I-35 corridor “NAFTA Superhighway” and that if I didn’t take their “fair offer” the government would seize the land and give it to a Spanish company to build this PRIVATELY OWNED road.

Here’s what I read in 2001:

A Blueprint for a North American Community

August 30, 2001

Robert A. Pastor

integrate the infrastructure and transportation networks of North America;

create a development fund to reduce income disparities across the countries;

establish a North American Commission to prepare for the three leaders at their next Summit an agenda and options for promoting continental integration;

move toward a Customs Union in five years with a Permanent North American Court on Trade and Investment;

forge a more humane immigration policy that includes “North American passports” for frequent travelers, immigration preferences, and a larger temporary program with safeguards;

train North American customs and immigration officers to reduce duplication; and

eventually adopt a common currency.

http://www.iie.com/publications/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?id=68

Buzzy on February 24, 2007 at 5:28 PM

There’s a reason you see so many new screen IDs appear out of nowhere to suddenly post on specific subjects, such as the NAU. And there are reasons why the same thing happens just prior to any election. You might remember the constant flood of comments prior to the mid-terms urging everyone to vote for independents. You might remember Allah suddenly shocking everyone with his suggestion that he would vote a straight Democratic ticket just to punish the GOP.

Coincidence?

The stock market message boards are filled with the same people, posting misinformation on various stocks in an attempt to mislead buyers or to influence prices.

This sort of misdirection and misinformation has been used as a tool throughout history. Even by the CIA and FBI.

It’s done on purpose, and it’s very effective.

Dammit, Agent Jenkins! He’s onto us! He’s figured out the ONLY thing the government has been able to keep secret in the past century DESPITE THE BESTS EFFORTS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE COLLABORATING TO HIDE IT!

OHNOES on November 15, 2007 at 5:54 PM