Ted Kennedy’s amnesty bill “nearly completed”
posted at 2:29 pm on February 22, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Did I say Kennedy’s amnesty bill? I meant John McCain’s.
Senators and lobbyists are putting the final touches on a comprehensive immigration-reform bill that includes an easier citizenship path for illegal aliens and weaker enforcement provisions than were in the highly criticized legislation that the Senate approved last year…
Mr. Kennedy drafted this year’s bill with help from Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, and outside lobbyists. Mr. McCain and the outside groups share Mr. Kennedy’s support for increased immigration and leniency for illegals already in the country…
The one Republican who all agree has been part of the negotiations from the start is Mr. McCain, who is running for his party’s presidential nomination. This worries Republicans who say that Mr. McCain is the last Republican they want representing their interests in negotiations with Mr. Kennedy over immigration legislation.
Yeah, apparently the entire GOP leadership’s been frozen out of the drafting — except McCain, who for some reason unfathomable to me wants to alienate the base more by putting his name on this abortion. Why would he do that? Sure, Giuliani’s weak on immigration too, but that’s precisely why St. John should find religion on this issue and tack to the right. It’d earn him points with red-meat righties who can’t stand his campaign finance betrayal and Sullivanesque softness on torture.
The only thing I can figure is that he’s confident Giuliani will implode eventually over social issues so he’s positioning himself for the general election. If so, I think he underestimates his own unpopularity within the party. Giuliani’s as much of a RINO as McCain is (on some issues, like abortion, considerably more so), but (a) he scores way higher on gut appeal thanks to his heroism on 9/11 and McCain’s chumminess with the dreaded MSM; (b) even though they both have centrist convictions, McCain’s the one who’s had to vote those convictions and let us down time (campaign finance) after time (waterboarding) after time (amnesty), leaving him with a stain of disappointment that Rudy, fair or not, doesn’t share; and (c) elephants never forget, and I suspect they won’t forget his attacks on the religious right in the 2000 primary no matter how much he tries to make nice with them now. Which is not to say they bear a grudge, but merely to say that they may find his newfound appreciation for evangelical Christianity a tad insincere.
But I digress.
We were talking about the amnesty bill. Once again, the Democrats have been given a choice between behaving like the “party of the working man” that they claim they are and the party of “the undocumented” that they actually are. And once again, they’ve chosen poorly:
Among the most active participants have been the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition (EWIC) and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Both groups support giving current illegals a path to citizenship and increasing the flow of foreign workers into the country…
In particular, EWIC and the chamber have taken a leading role in drafting the section of the bill dealing with work-site enforcement, Senate staffers say. Lobbyists in both organizations have shuttled around Capitol Hill drafts of those provisions, which are supposed to impose sanctions on businesses that hire illegal aliens, according to internal e-mails obtained by The Washington Times.
“That’s putting the fox in charge of the henhouse,” one Senate lawyer said about the pro-business chamber’s involvement in drafting the punishment of employers.
One of those e-mails obtained by The Times invited Democratic immigration staffers to a briefing in early January with “key stakeholders” to discuss workplace-enforcement provisions. The invitation listed six such “stakeholders,” including the chamber and EWIC. The other groups attending the meeting, according to the e-mail, were the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Immigration Law Center, the National Council of La Raza and the Service Employees International Union.
A vote on the bill’s expected as early as April. And just when we were starting to make progress, too.
Exit question, per the “reign of terror” that’s been unleashed by ICE agents actually doing their jobs: What about the children?
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As far as betrayals of the Constitution go, McCain/Kennedy (open borders and amnesty) is right up there with McCain/Feingold (restrictions on political speech).
ReubenJCogburn on February 22, 2007 at 2:38 PM
But you repeat yourself … essentially.
thirteen28 on February 22, 2007 at 2:40 PM
I’ll take in a family of illegals if we can deport McCain and Kennedy. Throw in Feingold and I’ll take their extended family.
JammieWearingFool on February 22, 2007 at 2:42 PM
LOBBYISTS!?!
Quick, alert the moonbats!
Pablo on February 22, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Just a point — a pet peeve, if you will — I get so disgusted reading articles, hearing newscasts, etc. where the word “illegal” is never used. (Present company excluded, of course — AP tells it like it is.) It’s such a flagrant omission, but one that is consistently repeated, and it skews everything! Why does is persist? Oh, right. Might have something to do with our open-borders politicians and MSM.
lan astaslem on February 22, 2007 at 2:51 PM
Based on McCain’s chummyness with the likes of Ed “Has anyone seen Mary Jo” Kennedy, the country would definitely be getting a tepid bowl of Demo-light. I have to believe anyone with an “R” by their name would be better.
brtex on February 22, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Kennedy keeps getting re-elected because no one who is qualified rants to run against him. Oh look, a job Americans won’t do! Lets get an illegal to run against Kennedy!
pedestrian on February 22, 2007 at 2:55 PM
AIEEEEEEEEE!!!
Watcher on February 22, 2007 at 2:57 PM
What will minority leader Mitch do with this horror show?
Valiant on February 22, 2007 at 2:59 PM
Giuliani is a moderate, who bends right. McCain is a moderate, who bends left. Giuliani isn’t in a position, even if he was President, to vote on immigration legislation. If he was, Bush would have already passed his amnesty agenda. McCain has been in that position, and has let us down every time.
Giuliani has proven himself to be a strong leader, with a cool head in a crisis. McCain hasn’t, and I don’t think he could. Giuliani has been consistently strong on supporting the W.O.T., while McCain has been swaying.
amerpundit on February 22, 2007 at 3:00 PM
Ding! Ding! Ding! Give this man an award! Best idea I have heard in a long time.
brtex on February 22, 2007 at 3:02 PM
Well Dinora, uncle was taken away because he broke oppressive rules instituted by the war-mongering, hate-filled leaders of this country. But don’t worry, mommy has already talked to La Raza, and we’re organizing a protest to help uncle. We’ll yell about how America is supposed to be a land of opportunity, so give us our richly-deserved welfare, healthcare, foodstamps, energy assistance, and drivers license or we’ll quit pruning your gardens and ironing your clothes.
dalewalt on February 22, 2007 at 3:03 PM
If there was ever a time for whats left of the Republican party in Congress to get a spine, it is now.
jman on February 22, 2007 at 3:03 PM
They won’t jman, all that has to happen is someone,anyone, complains about an issue and they will fold to the god of the polls.
bbz123 on February 22, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Unless the person doing the complaining is a conservative, in which case the poor bastard gets thrown under the bus.
Watcher on February 22, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Agreed. A lot of good it did them last time, though.
jman on February 22, 2007 at 3:22 PM
Write or call your Senators and representatives. See them in person if you can.
Let then know how you feel.
darwin on February 22, 2007 at 3:23 PM
1,Get the tar pots heated up.
Check
2,Visit the pillow factory for some feathers.
Check
3, Lumberyard for suitable rail.
Check
4, Run traitors out of town all dressed up on a rail.
Pretty damn soon.
Speakup on February 22, 2007 at 3:29 PM
Ah, the wisdom of Dennis Green….
Kid from Brooklyn on February 22, 2007 at 3:34 PM
how so?
If you’re moral then yeah they chose poorly, but if you want to win elections … they chose wisely.
Support open borders, and undocumented people, and then support no id for voters.
Illegal people and illegal votes make for easy victories. It’s always those who cry foul who seem to be the most guilty these days.
One Angry Christian on February 22, 2007 at 3:40 PM
Just when I was getting over the nausea..
Viper1 on February 22, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Just like the War, the dems continue to do what is good for them politicaly, not what is good for the country.
The breakdown of law and order is one of the signs of a declining empire… it happens when those in power stop enforcing the law… like… immigration… or Leaks of Secret Documents… or punishing the Law enforcers instead of the law breakers…
dam… now I’m depressed.
Romeo13 on February 22, 2007 at 3:44 PM
AP, nicely written post. I see you don’t favor Rudy, but are determined to keep McCain’s betrayals front and center. That’s all good and I suppose a President Giuliani would better than a President McCain by a long shot, if we’re scraping that side of the barrel.
Now why is it you can’t back a potential candidate that honestly attempts to be loyal to his oath of office?
Answering that he puts borders/illegal immigration ahead of the war on his list of issues is disingenuous. Whistleblowing on an issue the White House is not dealing with properly is high on his current agenda, since he believes that the White House isn’t doing nearly so bad with Iraq.
Perusing the easily available congressional scorecards, would a conservative consider the following voting record worthy of nomination?
– Human Rights Coalition (GLBT) – 0%
– Planned Parenthood – 0%
– Secular Coalition (Anti-religious) – 10%
– Children’s Defense Fund – 0%
– AFSCME (Government worker’s union) – 13%
– ACLU – 9%
– League of Conservation Voters (Treehuggers) – 8%
– Concord Coalition (Fiscal Responsibility) – 95%
– Save Darfur – A+
– Christian Coalition – 100%
– Club for Growth – 88%
– Family Research Council – 92%
Freelancer on February 22, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Can anyone please tell me why this is such a sensitive issue that even Bush won’t do anything decisive?
Is the Hispanic caucus that powerful?
SouthernDem on February 22, 2007 at 3:46 PM
I AM OUTRAGED. The 14th amendment does NOT allow for two illegal parents to bear legal children. Anchor babies is a leftist idea and it is NOT constitutional.
EXACTLY
Tell them the TRUTH, they broke the law. And if Mexican kids can’t tell right from wrong by the third grade, we don’t want them here… EVER!!!!
You go back where you came from. Apply for legal status then when approved you come back and live without the fear. You KNOWINGLY crossed the border illegally and knew what might happen, don’t give me that B.S. “but what now?”
If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. The unethical liars and criminal invaders pull this crap it drives me frickin NUTS. How could they not know they might get CAUGHT.
GO AWAY, you are ruining America.
shooter on February 22, 2007 at 4:07 PM
The potential voting block is huge. Think about it, in 20 years they could be the majority in most of the Western States (California alone in the primaries is a force). The Republicans have never recovered from the late 50’s and early 60’s of not fully supporting the Black agenda. Even though for the previous hundred years it was the Republicans that defended and fought for their most basic rights and freedoms. And the Dems fought to keep them slaves and limit their freedom. They (the Blacks) traded 15 years of wrong decisions for a hundred years of blood and devotion. The Republicans do not want a repeat of that.
I think they are very cautious about alienating Hispanics. The voting block of Cubans, Asians for conservative, shows what being loyal to a minority brings—and a small misstep in relations with Blacks shows the effect of that.
right2bright on February 22, 2007 at 4:08 PM
If so moved, go here and find a person or dept to call / email with your thoughts about the Illegal “Migrant” problems.
Print this and post it on your fridge, or supermarket, or Home Depot, you get the idea.
Report Suspicious Activity:
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
1-866-347-2423
shooter on February 22, 2007 at 4:27 PM
No, but the Mexican Mafia is that powerful.
NTWR on February 22, 2007 at 4:42 PM
This article contradicts itself. First they talking about the massive amounts of families that are being affected by the crackdown. Then they talk about the small town that had 33 children pulled out of school as if it’s a major deal. They mention the man with the cowboy clothing store and how his sales have dropped from $5000/month to $600/month since the raids. It kept saying, “the raids hurt immigrants, businesses, and America” but then it ends with “most people agree this won’t make any difference anyway…..” That doesn’t add up.
I think it’s ridiculous that they claim that a 3rd grader can’t understand what’s going on. For as long as I can remember (which was quite a bit before 3rd grade), I knew that it wasn’t alright to go into my parent’s room without their permission. Why was that? Oh yeah, because it was their personal space and not mine. I also understood that I couldn’t take candy from the gas station (without paying), no matter how much candy the gas station attendent had and no matter how much I wanted because it was WRONG.
I don’t expect a 3rd grader to understand complicated international politics. However, they could start with, “Uncle got taken away because he broke the rules of this country. You know how you get in trouble when you break Mommy’s rules? Well, adults have rules they have to follow too. They’re called laws and uncle broke the law.”
JadeNYU on February 22, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Mr. McCain can sing now and then, dance with Mr. Kennedy and the media all he wants, follow his convictions, perhaps trying to help his party…and he will not be nominated for 2008.
Lately there’s something the matter with him – c/b age and/or health; he’s been listless, tired, without his usual spunk, just not himself. For many reasons his time has passed. Also, senatorial collegiality would prevent him from really attacking Mrs. Clinton in 2008. Mr. Giuliani isn’t hamstrung by this code, and otherwise.
Regardless of all views, we (not trolls) must honor Mr. McCain for two major subjects:
1. His service and dedication to this country, and
2. His tireless effort and energy in support of GW’s reelection. In spite of past (major) rifts, he worked maniacally to make it happen.
Entelechy on February 22, 2007 at 5:06 PM
Although not every black or Mexican is part of these agendas; “Black agenda” is pretty much the same as the “Mexican agenda”:
“Give us free stuff, make it so we aren’t responsible for our own actions, give us special advantages because we aren’t white and make it so laws don’t apply to us”
The only differences are the black agenda has the: “give us money for something that happened to our ancestors 200 years ago” grievance and the Mexicans have the “Get out of Aztlan, gringo” grievance.
Sorry but I can’t support their agendas and we can’t surrender our nation to these agendas.
The current caucasian majority race of the US better figure out pretty quick that racial majorities of countries don’t give it all away peacefully. It hasn’t happened before where a racial majority allows itself to become a minority without war and it will never happen in any country that’s not majority caucasian. No one would support such a thing happening.
Perchant on February 22, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Oh….an amnesty for illegal aliens. I thought it was amnesty for leaving a woman to die in a car that was submerged, swimming back to a motel for a full nights sleep, consulting campaign advisors and THEN calling the police. My mistake.
I still can’t stop laughing over that one!
TugboatPhil on February 22, 2007 at 5:09 PM
This amnesty bill is going to go nowhere, like every other bill of this type that has been presented in the last 20 years. This is just a ploy to attract the Latino vote to support Mc Cain. It’s a campaign strategy that may actually backfire, but only time will tell if that is true.
RedinBlueCounty on February 22, 2007 at 5:33 PM
To ask this question you must assume that the President is buckling under pressure from a particular group or groups. Why not ask if this is what he wants to happen? All available evidence suggests that his COMPLETE lack of interest in enforcing U.S. sovereignty vis-a-vis border security and immigration enforcement is voluntary, not a result of caving in to politics. If that were so, WHO’s politics are swaying him to support illegals more than Americans, and to what purpose?
A good answer to that question and I’ll back off. Until then, I see a globalist with a not-so-hidden agenda doing what his father taught him to do.
Freelancer on February 22, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Exactly. It’s the same people who influence the Democrats- big money, big business, big drugs (ie mafia). All at the expense of the taxpayers. And it all has the same outcome, a socialist utopia! Yay! *time to barf*
NTWR on February 22, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Mas carne rojo!!!
Curiouser and curiouser.
NTWR on February 22, 2007 at 6:17 PM
“While I am saying this half serious and half joking, I think we are practicing la reconquista in California.”
~ Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, Feb 2002.
“I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important – a very important – part of this.”
~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.
“Mexico extends beyond its borders.”
~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001
“California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn’t like it should leave. They should go back to Europe.”
~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998
“Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes…” “To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, ‘Up yours, baby. You’ve had it, from now on.’ ”
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
“We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population… I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it…. We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
“Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California.”
~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.
“We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos… non-Latinos aren’t watching, they aren’t raising questions”
~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount
“Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over.”
~ Augustin Cebeda, of the ‘Brown Berets’, a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.
“Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group.”
~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.
“In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named “Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior” (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The “Council” will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848.”
~ Reported in “La Voz de Aztlan”, August 7, 2002.
“We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we’re going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans.”
~Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985
Ugly on February 22, 2007 at 6:19 PM
Good list, Ugly. The sad thing is that despite the feelings of 80% of US citizens, our “leaders” are selling us out. Anybody who votes for McCain had better start learning Spanish.
cmay on February 22, 2007 at 6:45 PM
Our feckless lawmakers all know better and fully 80% of Americans (no matter what our feckless say) are vehemently against a path to citizenship for ‘the illegal aliens’.
It’s time to let the feckless know there will be serious consequences for anything that could be construed as amnesty.
Hell hath no fury as 250 million Americans, scorned.
What if WE stayed home one day, would they notice, ya think?
Besides, tar, feathers and a rail would be so gratifying.
Speakup on February 22, 2007 at 6:49 PM
What do you call a Republican suffering from a bi-polar disorder? John McCain.
.
GT on February 22, 2007 at 7:03 PM
The RNC just sent me a “Membership Card” inviting me to donate to the cause. I am going to send back a letter telling them where they can shove the card until they get serious about protecting our borders and returning to the platform they campaigned on.
jman on February 22, 2007 at 7:33 PM
Looking at our choices of front runners for the 08 Presidential elections I am constantly reminded of a quote from George Orwell’s Animal Farm.
“No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” Chapter 10, pg. 118
Political power has been taken from the US citizen and handed to the Corporations in both parties. Our votes no longer count on this issue as control of this agenda is in the hands of the US Chamber of Commerce and the US Commerce Department. Both parties are using the constitution as toilet paper and we are totally screwed.
Buzzy on February 22, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Those of us that live in the Southwest have been “screaming on the hilltops” of this for the past twenty years.
We know what is at stake…….
We have not let up the fight……..
PinkyBigglesworth on February 22, 2007 at 9:30 PM
Those of you who are only now just “getting it”. Start envisoning that multinational flag of US, Mexico and Canada. They are pushing for it and the American populace be damned. If they get enough Mexicans in here we won’t have a prayer. Are you beginning to see the light??? Doubtful,….. Until you are evicted and 20 Mexicans move into your home perhaps??
Mellen on February 22, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Oh by the way-those of you who still support El Presidente Bush…He is giving you the finger….and I think you know which one.
Mellen on February 22, 2007 at 9:42 PM
More ICE Raids In Denver And Across Nation, Targeting Hard Rock Cafe, ESPN Zone, And Dave And Busters
elpresidente on February 22, 2007 at 10:18 PM
The RNC better come up with someone other than Guliani or McCain. I and many others can’t vote for either.
R D on February 23, 2007 at 1:39 AM
“Because our numbers are growing … [some are] afraid that we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They are right, we will take them over, and we are not going to go away – we are here to stay, and we are saying ‘ya basta’ (enough!).”
– Richard Alatorre, former Los Angeles city councilman at a September 1996 Latino summit conference in Los Angeles opposing California Proposition 209 ending affirmative action, captured on videotape.
The American Southwest “… seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.”
– Carlos Loret de Mola, July 20, 1982, the Mexican newspaper Excelsior.
“Que viva la causa! It is an honor to be with the new leadership of the Americas, here meeting at UC Riverside. So with 187 on the ballot, what is it going to take for our people to vote – to see us walking into the gas ovens? It is electoral power that is going to make the determination of where we go as a community. And power is not given to you – you have to take it. Remember: 187 is the last gasp of white America in California. Understand that. And people say to me on the Senate floor when I was in the Senate, ‘Why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs?’ And I tell my white colleagues, ‘because you’re going to need them.’”
– Art Torres, former California state senator and chairman of the California Democratic Party, January 1995, captured on videotape.
Ugly on February 23, 2007 at 3:59 AM
Just the facts……..
PinkyBigglesworth on February 23, 2007 at 4:57 AM
Wow, the government did raids all across the nation and netted a whole 200 illegal immigrants. I have 5 times that many living and working in my city so how is that going to impress me. If they want I can show them where they can arrest 1,000 in one place. Smoke and mirrors while the agenda goes on.
Buzzy on February 23, 2007 at 8:13 AM
Nice to see someone, like Teddy, stay true to their convictions. I don’t share those convictions, in this case, but again, nice to see someone walk their talk.
I’m not sure, but I am guessing this is all, at its core, Clinton’s fault. LOL.
honora on February 23, 2007 at 9:52 AM
If an immigration bill is signed by the President that is anywhere near what is wanted by Kennedy and McCain, the Republican Party will implode. Bush’s popularity rating will go down into the teens as his base will abandon him and he will receive no credit from the traitors who want the Southwest returned to Mexico and the country as a whole paralized by a lack of any cultural cohesiveness.
Defeat of this trojan horse is essential if the U.S. is to survive as we know it.
ptolemy on February 23, 2007 at 11:01 AM
If Bush even cared a whit about the Republican party he wouldn’t have put Martinez in charge of the committee. It is obvious that this post shows the allegiance he has is to foreign invaders. Get it??
Mellen on February 23, 2007 at 11:36 AM
I’m going to have a cerebrovascular incident. It’s coming. I can feel it….
PRCalDude on February 23, 2007 at 12:32 PM
In San Diego there are people who regularly drive around and phone in locations of illegal “tent camps”. Of course no action is taken. Then a few days later a small family business is busted because the janitor is illegal. Not saying they shouldn’t be, but the public sympathy for that case is huge compared to raiding an encampment. Control someone’s emotions and you control their mind, and the way they vote.
honora, you are getting more and more like Gregh. Pop up, misdirect, vanish. Come come, I was certain you were better than that. And I had defended you as thoughtfully adversarial.
Freelancer on February 23, 2007 at 1:20 PM
I could agree on principle, 100%. However, if a conservative has/shows conviction, he/she’s not ‘walking the talk’, but rather being accused of not being ‘nuanced’, sophisticated, the negotiating type, flexible, multi-culti, erudite or whatever…
Entelechy on February 23, 2007 at 1:46 PM
What? Honora is back, after the drubbing she took the other day? It must have taken her awhile to find another website to plagerize. Just curious, what DNC site did you copy for your comment on this thread?
I think she knows what blog she has to go to for accurate intelligent analysis. Hot Air. Like a good little girl, after a spanking, she still respects us. Couple of more spankings and she will learn her place.
Now sit down like a good little girl, read the other posts and you will learn something.
right2bright on February 23, 2007 at 4:46 PM
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