Murtha “running the show”
posted at 10:02 am on February 20, 2007 by Bryan
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Time to take our medicine, kids.
It’s fun to make fun of the clownish, obviously foolish Jack Murtha, who among other things thinks it’s possible to fight a war in Iraq from Okinawa. But we’re all jabbing him from far outside his power base. Robert Novak explains what’s going on inside Murtha’s anti-war command post:
After 16 undistinguished terms in Congress, Rep. John P. Murtha at long last felt his moment had arrived. He could not keep quiet the secret Democratic strategy that he had forged for the promised “second step” against President Bush’s Iraq policy (after the “first step” non-binding resolution of disapproval). In an interview last Thursday with the anti-war website MoveCongress.org, he revealed plans to put conditions on funding of U.S. troops. His message: I am running this show.
Indeed, he is. Murtha and his ally, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, were humiliated last Nov. 16 when the Democratic Caucus overwhelmingly voted against Murtha as majority leader. Three months later, Murtha has shaped party policy that would cripple Bush’s Iraq troop surge by placing conditions on funding. That represents the most daring congressional attempt to micromanage ongoing armed hostilities in nearly two centuries, since the Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War challenged President Abraham Lincoln.
Don’t think for a second that just because it’s Murtha’s baby, the Democrats are going to abort it. The “slow bleed” (a term I use mainly to annoy Media Matters) is alive and well. Pay close attention to what Hillary! says in her anti-war video, fisked here. Her new or old plan to end the war, depending on which sentence in her speech you choose to believe, is slow bleed with a better name. John Edwards is also running on a variation of the slow bleed. That’s two of the top three Dem presidential candidates.
Slow bleed isn’t a stupid strategy, either. It’s dangerous, and it makes our troops the victims of Democrat narcissism, but it’s not stupid. It’s very clever, as Murtha clearly understands:
Murtha, chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, did not hide the purpose of setting standards for training, equipping and resting troops: “They won’t have the equipment, they don’t have the training, and they won’t be able to do the work.”
Murtha’s able to wield so much power because he and Speaker Pelosi are two liberal peas in a pod. According to Novak, they have managed to sideline House majority leader Steny Hoyer and are working their strategy without him. Murtha lost that election, but has apparently won the war. And having won that war, he’s empowered to make sure we lose the one in Iraq.
Rich Lowry picks up on where Murtha’s strategy may lead, in Iraq and here at home:
The surge is the best chance of turning the war around. By hampering it, Democrats will ensure that the war continues to fail, and thus that domestic political support for it plummets to the point where Democrats feel safe in defunding it.
The subconscious logic of their position on the war has thus taken a subtle turn. It used to be that the war had to end because it was a failure; now it must fail so that it can end.
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President Bush will have no choice but to reject the Murtha restrictions should they reach his desk. But a veto is problematic. As Murtha points out, a veto means that Bush doesn’t get the continued funding for the war. He might have to sign the bill, take the funding and ignore the restrictions as an unconstitutional trespass on his powers. In that event, a cry to impeach him will go up from the increasingly powerful antiwar Left.
It’s not unthinkable that President Bush might face serious and sustained calls for impeachment for the crime of carrying out the responsibilities of his office, fending off what amounts to a seizure of his power by the Democrats in the House, Senate and on the campaign trail–none of whom have been elected to replace him. It’s also not unthinkable that this will have serious consequences on the progress of the surge in Iraq. And it’s far from unthinkable that those battlefield consequences are part of the plan that Murtha, Pelosi, Clinton, Edwards and perhaps a majority of the Democrats are banking on to bring them the White House in 2008.
They know that they can’t defund the war outright, yet. But by hamstringing the president’s options, they can make victory impossible. Having then forced on defeat, they can claim victory over Bush and defeat in Iraq, and then they can defund the war. That’s where we’re headed, under shadow Commander in Chief Jack Murtha.
How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a political party’s cynicism, cowardice, irresponsibility and narcissism? Ask Jack Murtha, because that’s exactly what he’s asking of our troops fighting in Iraq.
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Let’s have Murtha and Pelosi stand trial for treason. That should put the brakes on their little masquerade.
fogw on February 20, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Walking billboard for terms limits on Congress. 16 – count ‘em sixteen undistinguished terms. Now this no-nothing is in charge?
Never ever thought I’d find something kind to say about the state-sized-Third World potentate, Robert Byrd. He’s been satisfied with his approach to immortality by naming all the tax-payer-funded projects after himself. But, Murtha’s ego is demanding to remold a solidly successful defensive philosophy that has been the hallmark of this country since the Barbary Wars, into his undistinguished, myoptic vision. People are going to DIE because of this.
naliaka on February 20, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Perfectly said, Bryan!
I just hope regular Americans will begin to see the true motivation of the Left in this country.
Chad on February 20, 2007 at 10:14 AM
That would be a nice idea…but the Republicans in Congress barely have the balls to stand up against a non-binding resolution to screw our troops.
Chad on February 20, 2007 at 10:16 AM
…Dear God in Heaven above.
I NEVER thought I would Quote Michael Moore but,
…I just want to weep.
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on February 20, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Why doesn’t this country believe anymore?
believe in what?
how about:
Treason.
Sedition.
Borders.
The Law.
Common Sense.
Duty Before Power.
…The weeping continues.
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on February 20, 2007 at 10:23 AM
We have term limits, they are called elections. If everyone keeps voting for the same guy over and over, it is not the system’s fault…
Neo on February 20, 2007 at 10:29 AM
I blame it on the medical system. DOB June 17, 1932. Go figure.
Limerick on February 20, 2007 at 10:33 AM
jack murthascum is a true SURRENDER MONKEY…he’s nothing but a defeatist who wishes the US loses the war on terror…nothing he says has anything to do with winning…
areseaoh on February 20, 2007 at 10:36 AM
areseaoh,
of course he wants America to lose. He hates America. How can he claim to love this country and then turn around and do everything in his power to destroy it? To the liberals on this board, if you could explain this to me, I’d sure appreciate it. He’s a coward and a traitor. until then, I think i have to go clear my head with a nice walk by the bay. 65 degrees and sunny in south texas today. and yes, i’m rubbing it in. :)
pullingmyhairout on February 20, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Everyone in this country who is paying attention, please raise your hand. Wait, is American Idol on now? We’ll try this again later.
Get me? No one knows cuz no one cares. Democrats bank on this time and time again; and always come out on top.
Democrats have the easy job of preying on the country’s short attention span. Republicans need to educate, which, sadly, they are not doing.
lorien1973 on February 20, 2007 at 10:43 AM
Jack Murtha is the Cataline of our age.
spmat on February 20, 2007 at 10:45 AM
D-mn these fat fingers… *Catiline.
spmat on February 20, 2007 at 10:47 AM
A quote that can’t be repeated often enough. We better hear this quote during the debates, and hear it often. Nobody will want to be tied to this type of rhetoric 12 months from now.
This is the strategy of the Democratic party. Let the soldiers die for a few votes.
right2bright on February 20, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Murtha is a coward who is willing to have soldiers die so that he can gain maximum political advantage. I am tired of listening to the left-wing tripe that he is brave, honorable and knowledgable because he is an ex-marine. Yeah, like Scott Ritter.
ptolemy on February 20, 2007 at 10:53 AM
The silver lining to this darkening cloud:
The American people are going to remember what Democrats are doing. Sooner rather than later, more people will understand what’s happening.
And for a change, the Democrats are doing it openly, on the record, and while they are in control.
The Democrats are not only arguably committing treason, but they are also making an enormous strategic political blunder. In the short-term, their actions are politically expedient; in the long-term, this “slow bleed” is going to haunt them. It is truly a staggering mistake.
People will remember. The military will remember.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Here’s a brain teaser for you: come up with the rationale for the mess at Walter Reed outpatient facility and other shockingly poor treatment of returning injured troops (WaPo story) being Murtha’s fault. Extra credit for anything that ties this to Clinton.
honora on February 20, 2007 at 11:14 AM
Agree with Chad. Nice sentiment, ain’t gonna happen.
The GOP couldn’t even hold together half the time when they had the majority in both houses.
Good Lt on February 20, 2007 at 11:17 AM
Sigh. The ever predicatable playbook for the brainwashed left: ignore the issue, change the subject, erect the strawman, and deflect the debate.
Here’s a challenge for you, Honora: how about an honest, thoughtful analysis of Murtha’s “slow bleed” strategy, minus the usual intellectual dishonesty and desperate deflecting?
Or is it just ridiculous to ask that of you?
Extra credit if your answer is actually, you know, on topic.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 11:17 AM
honora….
Your problem with the VA is the same problem this country has faced since 1866. All those administrations, all those congress’s…..don’t even go there.
I am sure you can find WW2, Korea, and Vietnam vets with exactly the same beefs. I don’t blame them. I blame US.
Limerick on February 20, 2007 at 11:20 AM
That’s GOBSMACKINGLY.
Funny how none of that matters when a Democrat is in charge.
Funny.
benrand on February 20, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Hey Honora, linky please to the “shockingly poor treatment of returning injured troops”.
Ever been in a civilian rehab facility? I have…
Babs on February 20, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Here’s a brainteaser for you.
What does Murtha mean when he says this?
“They won’t have the equipment, they don’t have the training, and they won’t be able to do the work.”
benrand on February 20, 2007 at 11:28 AM
murtha is an ass clown and needs to be thrown out of office. Too bad the folks in PA are not smart enough to do the right thing.
jdsmith0021 on February 20, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Honora, after you provide a link to back up your claims, I want your promise that you won’t attempt to hijack a thread on this blog ever again. I’m tired of it. This post isn’t about the VA, it’s about your party leaving the troops to twist in Iraq so that your party might be able to hide its strategy for losing the war.
Bryan on February 20, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Um, good luck with that, Bryan.
You’re literally asking a leopard to change spots.
Liberals never debate the actual issues at hand; it’s their trademark. And with an issue like Murtha and the “slow bleed” strategy – which is such an obvious long-term political disaster – they can’t discuss it even if they wanted to. There’s really nothing there to defend.
But prove me wrong, Honora. I wanna see a striped leopard.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Wouldn’t it be a kick in the teeth if say Sean Hannity went to interview the troops again about what they think about the slow bleed. You know what would be even better? Troops volunteering to reup while in Iraq and voluntarily extending. Effectively neutering Grandpa Simpson’s strategy. Should such a thing happen what would, what could the Democrats say?
Theworldisnotenough on February 20, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Ummm.. OK Honora, I’ll bite…
I seem to remember Congress CLOSING many military bases… a little thing called the Base closure and realignment, after the Cold War ended. They basicly sold off many many facilities for next to nothing… because they were basing our need not on wartime, but they looked at what we would need during peacetime.
Now, these facilities are being overutilized. We just plain don’t have the resources we should have BECAUSE OF THE DRAWDOWN!
Case in point, Castle Air Force Base, Merced California. It used to have a fully staffed hospital… now? a CIVILIAN medical clinic which caters to the retirees in the area…
Now… hold on… the Murtha connection? Hasn’t Murtha been in Congress for 16 terms? and on the House Military Appropriations for awhile? Now, just who has the “Power of the Purse”? Who drove the closing of so may facilities?
Romeo13 on February 20, 2007 at 11:44 AM
“They” are….
1) The troops
2) The troops
3) The troops again.
Am I missing something? Because the way I feel about that statement, if I were in the media, I’d ask him why is he planning on penalizing the troops for the actions of the CoC and doesn’t he realize that it would lead directly to troop casualties?
Is he justified in saying this because if he pulled the funding, the responsibility falls on Bush to pull the troops before the lack of material and support would cause more casualties?
Can Bush, should Bush, or will Bush, stubbornly keep the troops in Iraq when the funding is not there to support them properly?
This is a serious game they are playing….and I don’t mind that, but lets call it what it is and stop relying on the stupidity of the american public to play serious politics without the publics full knowledge and understanding of the consequences of these actions.
csdeven on February 20, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Who self-destructs first Spears or Murtha ?
Wade on February 20, 2007 at 11:46 AM
And here’s why liberals cling to their intellectually dishonest rhetorical strategy:
Because it works. We always let them shift the debate, move the goalposts, and build their straw huts for their straw men.
Might be nice if we could stop doing that, and actually discuss the actual topic at hand. For a change. Or at least, if we have to wander off topic, stop letting liberals choose the new topic.
Just a thought. Not that I blame the libs for it – it’s a good strategy. If I had to try to defend Murtha, that’s sure what I’d be doing. Changing the damn subject.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 11:47 AM
I posed this question before my walk, hoping that it would have been answered by the time I got back. instead, Honora changed the subject and tried to bring up the VA. So I ask it again: How can Murtha claim to love this country and then turn around and do everything in his power to destroy it? Honora, obviously, it’s o.k. with you if AMERICA LOSES and our LIBERAL CONGRESS CUTS OFF FUNDING FOR OUR TROOPS WHILE THEY ARE STILL FIGHTING. If you still insist that Democrats are “Patriots” please try to explain the rationale behind this.
pullingmyhairout on February 20, 2007 at 11:48 AM
My last comment was in response to benrand’s brainteaser question.
duh…again!
csdeven on February 20, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Two words will make any democrat back off calls for impeachment -President Cheney.
taznar on February 20, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Believe that honora was attempting to resurrect the shocking treatment dished out to volley-ball traumatised Josh Whatshisname. Big strapping boy, too. Whining looked stupid coming out of a healthy guy his size. Perhaps his volleyball “injury” was triaged – deemed less critical than guys with real war wounds. But that would have been inconvenient to mention in the smear.
Playing volleyball while soldiers fight, gee, reminds us all of the quality of Murtha’s understanding of what hell is going on out there.
naliaka on February 20, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Professor Blather, the brainwashed left indeed. Yes, most of the military docs do a good job but they’re the libs in the military and smarty pants thinks because her husband was in for 20 years that makes her opinion worth something will dissing those who have served and are now married to the military. But she knows all because she’s married to a doctor. Trust me on this Prof. the majority of the JAG Corps and Medical Corps are libs who got the US Government to pay for their advanced education. I have been affiliated with the military for 21 years between being a Soldier, Reservist & Spouse. She’s the worst type of military spouse who wears her husband’s rank and thinks by virtue of that rank she knows everything about everything. I know enough to know I don’t so that makes the difference. She’s a hopeless, clueless individual who thinks because she can come up with brain teasers, she’s way smarter than everyone else. She’s not.
Murtha is an idiot and I don’t care that he wore the uniform of a USMC Officer either. As the liberal twit will say that my opinion doesn’t matter because I did as well.
Catie96706 on February 20, 2007 at 11:52 AM
So I see “slow bleed” has replace “cut and run”. Good thinking, keep it to bumper sticker size.
Provide a link? I refuse to believe you haven’t heard or read this story.
I will refrain from hijacking–or even participating in any “Bryan” threads in the future. I for one have had it with people who have had this war wrong from the get go continuing to lecture those of us who had it right.
honora on February 20, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Strange. Those two words give me a warm fuzzy feeling.
Hell, if I thought impeaching Dubya would get us Cheney, and then give Cheney a real chance at getting elected in ‘08 (and ‘12?) … I’d head over to DailyKooks and sign their impeachment petitions.
I suspect Cheney would be rather effective at dealing with the Murthas of the world.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 11:55 AM
There fixed it for you… don’t let the door hit you on the butt on the way out of the tread.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on February 20, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Had Gingrich said something like what Murtha did, there would be a TIme magazine cover story on it.
Liberals just don’t really give a crap about “the troops”.
Just ask that Arkin guy when was the last time he helped out a down on his luck VN vet.
Hell, ask this Honora guy is he’s ever bothered to help out anybody, any charity.
They just don’t care. Witness the Gore’s lavish $300.00 donations to charity and Hillary!’s avoidance of street people and this disgusting display and how it is ignored by the Brian Williamses and Amanda Marconis of the world.
benrand on February 20, 2007 at 11:56 AM
You scare me. It’s creepy to think that someone out there in cyberspace keeps track of my personal comments. Please stop this obsessive behavior.
honora on February 20, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Sorry, but the American people remember nothing. I remember the helicopters flying away from Saigon, even though I was a child. But obviously nobody else does.
I could never understand how England could produce (and enthusiastically support) a Quisling and a Chamberlain. Now I do.
When I supported the atempt to defend our interests in Iraq, I made the mistake of believing that the best of our nation represented the true spirit of America. I was wrong. The true spirit of America is of a lazy, spoiled, adolescent with a nanosecond attention span. God help us all.
Exit question: is there any such thing as a Vietnamese-American Democrat?
Anton on February 20, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Oh, just priceless. Priceless. Wonderfully entertaining.
Bless you, Honora. You just gave me the biggest laugh of the week.
See, kids? THIS is what happens when liberals are challenged, when they are forced to deal with an actual topic, when we don’t leap at their silly strawmen:
Provide a link? Uh huh, no way – God forbid I have to support my assertions! “I refuse to believe” you don’t already agree with me!
What? I have to actually discuss the topic? Well, that’s it. I’m leaving. Not only that, I’m never going to talk to you again. I’m taking my ball and going home!
(Pouts away into the night)
Just. Priceless.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. It don’t get better than that. I love self-parody. It tastes like chicken.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 11:58 AM
honora, I like you, but that was pretty bad.
Rick on February 20, 2007 at 11:59 AM
Honora, You scare me. You’ve been doing the same for months so lay off you creep. You won’t answer the questions because you work off the dem talking points. You need to get harrassing me.
Catie96706 on February 20, 2007 at 11:59 AM
I wish we had a preview key, should read “you need to stop harrassing me!”.
Catie96706 on February 20, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Let Bush do as he pleases and get impeached. I’m with taznar on this one: if they impeach Bush, they’re voting for President Cheney.
Lehosh on February 20, 2007 at 12:02 PM
Sorry, Anton: I give my countrymen a little more credit.
I think you’re forgetting that in the post-Vietnam era, national defense became the strongest issue for Republicans – specifically BECAUSE of what Democrats did in Vietnam. Americans did remember. Ronald Reagan was a direct consequence.
You’re also forgetting that prior to Vietnam, national defense was a strong point for Democrats. They pointed to Roosevelt and Truman, and with good reason. Our liberal friends were not always tied to an image of unthinking dovishness, as they are now.
We’ll see who is right. At the moment, thanks to Iraq, Democrats are (were) regaining ground in the national defense debate.
But I think Murtha (and Hillary) will be the end of that.
Wait until the next terrorist attack, or the next conflict. And the election that follows. Check back then to see if Americans remember Murtha.
I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
God, I hope so.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Damn good one today, Bryan. One of the best threads as an aggregate , you pulled it all together quite well. I do not have the writing skill nor the patience and know-how to write as you guys do, but I appreciate a well thought out and written article.
Hotair is a must read in my day and I thank you ALL for your efforts.
Now, how do we most efficiently expose Murtha/Peloser for this traitorous action? I’ll forward this to all my big TV stations here, and DIGG this, (although that’s where the enemy hangs out) what else can we do? Really.
shooter on February 20, 2007 at 12:05 PM
16 terms – he’s the poster boy for term limits.
I’m not too worried about funding being cut off – I think if most Americans actually took a look at the federal budget and saw how much we spend on defense compared to how much we spend on social programs they might change their mind. I think people should also see what % of the budget we spend on defense compared to years past and compared to other countries.
It’s too bad the information outlets keep this information from “leaking”, but have no problem divulging secrets.
reaganaut on February 20, 2007 at 12:07 PM
I cannot recall the person who said or the exact quote but I can certainly paraphrase it…Following General Benedict’s Arnold open treason against the United Stats by trying to turn West Point over to the British, one gentlemen reminded those within hearing of the serious leg wound that Arnold had suffered at the Battle of Saratoga in the service of the United States. The reply came quickly, “When he is captured we shall cut off his leg and bury it with full military honors…the rest of him we shall hang.” I don’t know what part of Murtha we could bury with military honors but we could certainly hang the rest of him for treason.
sdd on February 20, 2007 at 12:10 PM
Murtha believes he is General Sam Damon from ‘Once an Eagle’. Truth, justice and the damned military industrial complex. He should be wearing prison stripes not pin-stripes.
Limerick on February 20, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Had enough of this crap? Join us at the “Gathering of Eagles” on March 17th. Hanoi Jane, Mom Cindy, etc plan to use the Vietnam Veterans Memorial as a backdrop for their anti-war protests. Go to the link below and join us.
Other organizations are planning “support the troops” activities alnog the anti-war marchers route.
http://gatheringofeagles.org/
BobK on February 20, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Uh, I think it was Honora.
dalewalt on February 20, 2007 at 12:15 PM
I am glad someone brought up St. Clinton. Here’s what I remember about his treatment of troops, and I won’t even mention Somalia…
I can remember back in the mid ’90s (aka the Clenis years), being woefully undersupplied – not much ammo, no fuel, the wrong equipment. I remember not being able to go out and train because we had no money left. I also remember the .9% yearly raise we got one year, which was preced by a 1.3% raise.
I remember being deployed with ridiculous ROEs, left hanging in the middle of nowhere, not allowed to bring any weapon larger than an M16, with no air support, because we didn’t want to call attention…. (spit) No one seemed too concerned then, not with Slick Willie in charge. I remember watching senior NCOs with 15 years in, getting out on early retirements, and the huge vacuum it created. We saw guys getting booted out for not advancing fast enough (with a nice fat check), guys were going AWOL and no one cared anymore, they just waited it out and ended up with a less than honorable discharge (which could be changed later to honorable through an appeal). If we were at 70% strength it was a miracle – ya, I’ve seen what the Dems think of the military.
I also remember donating plasma twice a week when I was back on base, for the 30-40 bucks I got, so I can buy mac and frackin’ cheese to feed my family. I still have scars, I look like a freakin’ heroin addict.
reaganaut on February 20, 2007 at 12:16 PM
And I’m still laughing about it.
That was just …. well, embarrassing.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 12:17 PM
My point is that after Saigon, Cambodia, 9/11, and the recently foiled plot to blow up 13 in-flight aircraft over the Atlantic (July, UK, supported in their efforts by US intelligence) we should not be in the current position with the lunatic anti-war left in ascendence. Nobody pays attention. Another terror attack may temporarily steel our national resolve, but the usual players will go to work undermining that resolve and will succeed as they are currently succeeding.
I hope you’re right. I had hope even after the November elections —- surely even opportunistic Democrats would become a little more adult in their thinking once they assumed the responsibilities of leadership? But no — we have an even more disgusting orgy of cowardice and backstabbing ocurring in Congress with the enthusiastic support of the mainstream media and what passes for our cultural elite.
But, because I used to be an optimist, and would like to be one again some day, I will try to answer one of honora’s snarks intelligently:
Honora, and leftists like you: assume for the sake of argument that all your darkest fears about the war are true. Assume that Bush and his band of nefarious neocons went into the fight solely for reasons of oil profits, personal grudges, and a lust for international hegemony. If that were true, then the Iraqi people would be the victims of a horrible crime at the hands of America.
Now the left is in charge, and BushCo’s evil plan thwarted (again, taking the ludicrous scenario above just for the sake of argument). With the heroic peace-loving Democrats now ascendant, what is the proper moral course regarding the Iraqi victims of war? I would think any moral pacifist would be screaming for us to provide for their security and healing. Resolutions would be introduced to increase our security commitment ten-fold to stabilize Baghdad and rebuild the country.
But no. The only “change in course” proposed is retreat. And unlike in Vietnam, the bad guys are not hiding their intentions behind platitudes of proletarian solidarity; they have instead openly declared their intention to slaugher as many innocents as they can.
Good luck with the moral high ground, honora (and Murtha and Pelosi).
Anton on February 20, 2007 at 12:24 PM
You raise your ugly (and I don’t mean looks) head when she thinks she is taking the moral high ground. Think about it honora, your people are talking about not supporting the troops. Read his quote,
When a soldier does not have his equiptment to do his work, he dies. Get it?
Hillary is annoucing to the enemy, a pullout in 90 days, or when elected it is over. My god, now they sit and wait. But that’s ok for you, you don’t have to fight for freedom, someone else has already given their life for you to let others die.
And as usuall, you try to divert attention from the folly of your leftist friends.
And when caught, or defeated, you hides. Honora always states that she will not participate.
that is how she responds to being put in her place. Or she blasts someone for remembering what lies she told in the past.
According to her, she is not married to a person who served in the military. But then her story often changes.
You deifine the democratic party, living lies and letting people die.
right2bright on February 20, 2007 at 12:36 PM
It is important to keep our eye on the biggest weakness the United States has: The Left. Great thread and comments.
It is unfortunate that a major disaster, or two, is what it will take for the Left, exemplified by Murtha, to loose influence so Americans can come to their senses. Perhaps after the next disaster sedition and treason will again be taken seriously.
Thank you all for keeping attention on this matter and your strong opposition to those that seek partisan political advantage at the expense of our nation. May we clearly remember Murtha after the next disaster.
omegaram on February 20, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Good Question Bryan, why don’t we start asking it…… let’s start with Jack “Mr. Depends” Murtha, Nancy “Blinky”, Pelosi, and let’s not leave out honora…. have you left yet?
PinkyBigglesworth on February 20, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Murtha is too honest for the typical frothing liberal.
They would rather he just not say things like:
“They won’t have the equipment, they don’t have the training, and they won’t be able to do the work.”
They rather not have to attempt to defend fucking the troops over, as happened in the 60’s.
benrand on February 20, 2007 at 12:39 PM
reaganaut – I am so sorry to hear your story…
Why Clinton was given a pass is really beyond me. To put a good face on it, at least you were struggeling to buy mac n cheese rather than being wounded in a war that, to this day, hasn’t ended…
God bless you Sir although, I have a friend in Spain that STILL DOESN’T GET IT when I ask why Europe wasn’t able to deal with a slaughter taking place on their own continent…
Does not compute, Americans will solve our problems and then we will be able to blame them for less than a perfect job.
Babs on February 20, 2007 at 12:40 PM
You want to hear something funny? All honora had to do to provide a link to back up her VA hijacking was go to Michellemalkin.com (I’m sure you’ve all heard of her, right) and check the current top link. But honora couldn’t even be bothered to do that. She’s not only a thread hijacker, but a lazy thread hijacker.
That is all. Carry on.
Bryan on February 20, 2007 at 12:44 PM
honora, honora, honora (shakes head slowly). When will you ever learn that your idiocy is fully recognized here.
tickleddragon on February 20, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Good info, Bryan. Even if the thread was almost hijacked by an inhouse lefty troll.
tickleddragon on February 20, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Based on Murtha’s history of taking bribes via Abscam and knowing how the Communists or Russia/China like to bribe/buy their, uh. um, support for their causes. I truly think the likes of Jouhn Murtha and Edward Kennedy are or have been on Russian or Chineese payrolls. They seem to be traitors to the United States and the free American People.
Egfrow on February 20, 2007 at 1:12 PM
I would not say that Murtha Hates America. Nor do the rest of his ilk. Their problem is that they can not see past their own inner light, which they believes iluminates the darkness around them and serve as a beacon for us ignorant savages. If only we could drag ourselves out of our dank mud pits and be guided by them, the world would be guided to a new era of peace and prosperity.
How a person can see this “inner light” while they are staring at their colon is beyond me, but I digress.
Murtha, Pelosi, Honora etc will do and say what ever they can to build themselves up. They do not care how many American soldiers die. Just as long as they can look good they are happy.
Murtha said it, hamstring the troops, make it so they are guarenteed to die and the american sheeple will scream for Bush to go to the stockades to end the war. The democrats are banking that the American people are not smart enough to see WHY the troops are being sacrificed.
And Honora, are you feeling ok? Usually your posts are better then this. But your attempt to distract and deflate is way below your normal level of compatency. Other then that, wrong post to complain about Walter Reed, one of the best milatary hospitals in the world. I daresay that the WAPO article is written with a definte slant and should be corraborated by a nuetral party.
Wyrd on February 20, 2007 at 1:16 PM
The difference between “them” and us. We link our story’s, we don’t lie and hide. We want the VA to be fixed if it is broken. Honora’s party hides and never fixes. Jefferson is being picked to lead, even after finding his “frozen assets”. Reid is chosen to lead, even after his land deals. Pelosi and giving her favorite corporations a free ride on the tuna express.
They hide, we fix.
right2bright on February 20, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Wyrd said:
I beg to differ. If they loved America, they would do whatever it takes to make sure we win. Instead, they want to make it close to impossible for us to win – their endgame is to a) make Bush look bad and b) win back the white house AT ALL COSTS. Remember, they think that all the world’s problems stem from the greed of America. They are apologists to the world. They want America to lose in order to “teach us a lesson.” Sorry, but that doesn’t sound like “love” to me.
pullingmyhairout on February 20, 2007 at 1:28 PM
furthermore, when have you ever heard any of them actually say that they want America to win? And look at all those “blue dogs” who won their elections based on their hawkish stand (we will not cut off funding, yada yada yada), only to say “no comment” when asked if they will support Murtha’s slow bleed… sick, sick, sick.
pullingmyhairout on February 20, 2007 at 1:30 PM
When you don’t have the MSM and the PC left to back up the rhetoric, it comes across as low, ignorant and just plain anti-American.
WRONG? Sadamm was a mass murderer with WMD’s and nuclear ambitions. Yellow cake, WMD’s, AQ, and terrorists were his bedfellows. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. Since 500 WMD’s couldn’t convince you, put them in your garage.
Sadamm buried his AIR FORCE, entire Fighter jets buried in the sand and you don’t think he had time to bury and hide and send away his WMD’s before we went in? Had we not gone in, he would have used them by now on more people. The Kurds can tell you what thats like.
The whole ‘war was wrong’ mantra is complete bull sh*t and you know it Ms H. The Dems ALL VOTED TO GO IN, and it was NOT based entirely on WMD’s no matter what they say now.
You lost me with that comment, you’re back to no honor-a with murtha, peloser, and the haters.
shooter on February 20, 2007 at 1:31 PM
Seeing the machinations of Pelosi, Murtha et alia in their attempts to sabotage their own country’s chances for victory reminds me of one of my favorite lines from the movie “Aliens,” when the character Ripley makes a pertinent observation about the character “Burke:”
“I don’t know which species is worse; you don’t see them f***ing each other over for a percentage!”
Indeed, which is worse, the foreign enemy who is at least upfront about their intent to defeat and destroy us; or our domestic enemy, who similarly seeks our defeat and humiliation but does so by aiming the blade squarely between the shoulder blades of our own military?
And who does so for no higher reason than they believe that they will benefit from it politically?
And I for one have had it with defeatism masquerading as intellectual and moral superiority, and with defeatists who are so determined to be proven right about their defeatism that they’ve become wholly invested in bringing it about:
- Had we followed the lead of people like honora, who “got it right” in 1776 when the British were chasing Washington’s army around like vermin, we wouldn’t even have a country.
- Had we listened to her ilk in 1862, when the Union was stumbling from one disastrous defeat to another and Robert E. Lee seemed invincible, we’d resemble the Balkans today.
- And had we conceded the intellectual superiority of an earlier generation of honoras in 1941-42, when our forces were reeling backwards in the Pacific and Rommel had just crushed our army at Kasserine Pass, Hawaii would likely be a part of the Japanese Empire right now and Europe would still be in thrall to a new Dark Age.
Point is, war is an ugly business, and the history of American wars isn’t so much a parade of unbroken, easy victories catering to a sense of instant gratification so much as perseverence in the face of early setbacks which enabled us to eventually turn things around.
Listen to self-righteous quitters and defeatists like Pelosi, Murtha and honora, and we lose. Carry on in spite of them, and we have at least a fighting chance at victory. That’s the fundamental choice facing our political class today, and so far I’m afraid that it’s an open question of whether enough of them are up to the task.
“The quickest way to end a war is to lose it.”
- George Orwell
I wonder if Orwell realized so many decades ago that he had just penned the campaign slogan for the American Left in the 21st Century?
Spurius Ligustinus on February 20, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Try this one:
1. Bush gets impeached
2. Then just before its offical:
2a. Cheney resigns.
2b. Bush appoints Mccain VP.
3. McCain becomes President
4. McCain appoints Romney VP
Checkmate
faraway on February 20, 2007 at 1:41 PM
Good post Bryan. Very good post.
One Angry Christian on February 20, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Had it right? Perhaps, but only insofar as your party has been able to engineer it as such. Victory is surprisingly easy to accomplish when all you really want is to demoralize the nation and its armed forces for political gain. In short, you and your party are vultures, picking the political flesh from the bones of dead soldiers.
Oh, and why don’t you go suck your thumb, Francis?
spmat on February 20, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Pulling,
I won’t say they hate America. They don’t CARE about America. America is a tool, an object for them to use.
Sometimes I think it would be nice if one of them cared enough for America to truly hate it. At least then you would see some honesty.
Well Said Spurius
Wyrd on February 20, 2007 at 2:07 PM
[quote]I am glad someone brought up St. Clinton. Here’s what I remember about his treatment of troops, and I won’t even mention Somalia…
I can remember back in the mid ’90s (aka the Clenis years), being woefully undersupplied – not much ammo, no fuel, the wrong equipment. I remember not being able to go out and train because we had no money left. I also remember the .9% yearly raise we got one year, which was preced by a 1.3% raise.
I remember being deployed with ridiculous ROEs, left hanging in the middle of nowhere, not allowed to bring any weapon larger than an M16, with no air support, because we No one seemed too concerned then, not with Slick Willie in charge. I remember watching senior NCOs with 15 years in, getting out on early retirements, and the huge vacuum it created.
I also remember donating plasma twice a week…
reaganaut on February 20, 2007 at 12:16 PM[/quote]
I’m with you, bro. I’m an old Cold Warrior too.(2/75 Rangers) with Reagan were great, the last with Clinton weren’t).
I rememeber countless live fire exercises cancelled, making do with what we had to… weirdass ROEs(er, they’re DOPERS bringing sh*t into the US, can’t we just pop ‘em?!?! ( or er, interdict the line of supply into the USA?!?)
Geez, I’d have went for 30 like my old man, if it hadn’t been so dismal then. It was like they didn’t WANT a military…
On the other hand, I have a good payng civilian job, and between that and my retirement I should be ok, I just feel badly for the ones that had to serve, and ones that ARE serving for an unappreciating civilian populace; ESPECIALLY the Gov’t…
Sheesh…
Lonevoice on February 20, 2007 at 2:08 PM
Man did I screw up the post!!!
I meant to say that serving under Reagan was great, under Clinton, not so much…
Sorry for messing up the quote function..
Lonevoice on February 20, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Faraway, I’ll go you one better. for 2b: Pres. Bush appoints Rumsfeld V.P. That’ll really get their panties in a knot!
dalewalt on February 20, 2007 at 2:19 PM
Less than Honora: “I will refrain from hijacking–or even participating in any “Bryan” threads in the future. I for one have had it with people who have had this war wrong from the get go continuing to lecture those of us who had it right.”
Shove it up your ass.
georgej on February 20, 2007 at 2:30 PM
We have to find a way to neutralize Murtha’s scheme.
The man is committing treason, no doubt about it. And the House Democrats will do nothing to stop him, as we all know.
The Republicans no longer have a majority so they cannot force his expulsion from the House. In fact, they cannot even refer him to the ethics committee.
The statute of limitations has run out on Abscam, so it will take a new Justice Department investigation based upon other allegations for a criminal referral. And by the time any investigation is completed, it will be too late.
He cannot be “recalled,” as that is not Constitutional.
The MSM loves what he is doing.
He is a man not only out of control, but one who CANNOT BE controlled as long as Pelosi supports him.
And as the House rules prevent committee chair from being ousted without the Speaker’s approval, that isn’t going to happen either.
It will take action by the President, either via the bully pulpit, or by moving directly against other bills that Murtha wants.
Anybody have any ideas?
georgej on February 20, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Outstanding post. Out-stand-ing. Best thing I’ve read all day.
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 2:52 PM
Can you all believe Hillary had the nerve to oppose the carolina (forget which) confederate symbol on its state flag on the basis that we all should be fighting this war under a single flag?
And Murtha decides his flag is the one of Iran.
lorien1973 on February 20, 2007 at 3:02 PM
Isn’t that also France’s motto?
Rick on February 20, 2007 at 3:06 PM
What if they pass and W vetos?
It could be winnable, to force Congress to put up a real spending bill, but it’d require a communication blitz that to date this administration doesn’t seem capable of producing.
Honora & co. subscribe to Goebbels’ definition of the truth.
Iblis on February 20, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Check out a great cartoon on this subject at Cox & Forkum.
MT on February 20, 2007 at 3:29 PM
Nice lifting of your righteous indignation from an uncredited source
http://obey.house.gov/HoR/WI07/Newsroom/Press+Releases/StatementonResolutionOpposingIraqWarEscalation
Dudley Smith on February 20, 2007 at 3:53 PM
Denying soldiers equipment, training and the ability to fight are objectives we want to execute on our enemies, not on our own soldiers! In a more sane world, Murtha, Pelosi, et al would be charged with treason. What they are proposing will result in the deaths of many of our men and women in uniform. This is nothing more than cold, calculated, premeditated murder for political gain. How do we go about bringing them up on charges?
MarkM on February 20, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Once again Honora was caught plagerizing. Interesting how indignant she gets, but how silent she gets when she is caught doing wrong. Never an apology, never an oops, she just dissappears. I guess she goes into hiding untill she can catch up with her DNC reading and lifting their quotes. I have caught her several times, and each times she cry’s like a little baby. And then try to lie her way out of it.
right2bright on February 20, 2007 at 4:05 PM
So, removing a murderous tyrant from power is wrong? I’ll remember that the next time a Democrat “invades” another country to stop “ethnic cleansing”.
The fight for Iraq is a good fight and needs to be continued for as long as necessary. Remember, Iraq is now an ally and we DO NOT abandon our allies.
The fight over control of the war being waged by the Democrats is a bad fight and needs to end NOW! Remember, the Constitution has place the burden of command and control upon the President as the Command in Chief and not upon Congress.
Congress may authorize a war (which they did in Iraq) and controls overall funding of the military, but they CAN NOT make determinations as to command and control functions and decisions. Murtha and the rest of the “redeployment” Democrats needs realize this or we will be heading for a Constitutional crisis which this country can not afford.
RedinBlueCounty on February 20, 2007 at 4:09 PM
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on February 20, 2007 at 4:14 PM
Again the Dems with their premise that the situation is in stasis exacerbated by them believing their own propaganda. One attack in the US, and Murtha, his “slow bleed,” defunding ruse are done. I also am counting on the Dems to overreach, which will finally wake up the American electorate to what they are doing. Americans don’t want us lose this war. They disapprove of it not because we are fighting it, but because we didn’t win it faster. But if the majority of Americans really want us to win, then how will this anti-war, and anti-troop strategy ultimately play with the American people? Not well, I suspect if it is appropriately publicized. And here’s where HA, and many of the other fine blogs will play a decisive role.
smellthecoffee on February 20, 2007 at 4:25 PM
honora:
So I see “slow bleed” has replace “cut and run”.
One is not a replacement of the other. The two are complementary: tactics of the same horrific strategy.
baldilocks on February 20, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Honora will be back to put in a comment after this thread gets bumped off the main page. Kinda like Juan Williams running out the clock on FNS.
Iblis on February 20, 2007 at 5:28 PM
Hey honora, I got a NEWSFLASH for you, no one is tracking your “personal comments”. When you post to HotAir, you are in a PUBLIC forum. In fact, considering the number of people that read HotAir, this is MUCH more a PUBLIC FORUM than if you were speaking into a megaphone on Time Square. Don’t you try to play your victim card here, you insult everyone’s intelligence by doing so. If you don’t want your personal thoughts to be known, then don’t post them to HotAir.
Maxx on February 20, 2007 at 5:59 PM
I’d just like to say – to all – thank you! This thread started my day with a wonderful laugh at honora’s expense, and now it’s ending the same way.
The plagiarism catch is hi-frickin’-larious. Good job, Dudley Smith!
For those who don’t want to follow the links, compare:
Here’s Honora the Honorless Strawman Erecting Plagiarizer-in-Chief:
And here would be Congressman Dave Obey (D-WI) on 2/14 on the floor of Congress. See if it sounds familiar:
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Oh, Honora. You have just outdone yourself today. You are quite literally the poster child for everything wrong with liberalism, all demonstrated perfectly in one single thread.
Awesome. Just awesome. Thanks, guys. Great thread!
Professor Blather on February 20, 2007 at 6:20 PM
The only thing honora plagiarized was the second-hand talking points passed down from the Daily Moses.
spmat on February 20, 2007 at 6:45 PM
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