I suppose if we find abortion unconstitutional one day (God willing) Then Rudy will not be supporting the constitution any more?

I don’t know.

If that day comes, and Rudy then decides that his personal view trumps the Constitution, then gets a law passed in violation of the new Constitutional Amendment… then yes; I’d agree that at that point, Rudy would not be supporting the Constitution.

However, that hypothetical situation seems shaky in the face of McCain’s actions and speeches clarifying that his personal views are more important to him than the Constitution; and by his actions that he’ll willingly violate the Constitutional limitations to promote his views. Unless McCain-Feingold somehow doesn’t seem to be an obvious violation of the Constitution to you…

So, do you see McCain-Feingold as well within the Government’s rights based on the First Amendment, or do you think McCain has willfully violated his Oath of office and deliberately put his political views as having a higher importance than the Constitution?

I suspect we’re simply going to have to agree to disagree here, as I cannot see any way to view McCain-Feingold as Constitutional, and therefore I see it as a violation of a sworn oath to uphold the Constitution; which is a dealbreaker if you plan on asking me to vote for you at any later date.

gekkobear on February 20, 2007 at 6:13 PM

Do I honestly think he wnt into it believing it was UnConstitutional?

I’d like to think no, but I can’t see a way to read either that law, or the Constitution where they don’t have an obvious conflict. So, given what I can understand of both, I don’t see how a reasonable person could have believed the two weren’t in conflict.

Now maybe he (and others) are capable of that distinction of thought, but for me, I can’t see it. And since I can’t see it, I have to suspect that he knew what he was doing with that bill. If you can get your head around to attribute differnt motives to it, I’m not surprised (I couldn’t imagine he’d get support from anyone who sees it as I do).

And how big and offensive does a mistake have to be before you’d hold someone accountable for it? Attepmting to silence freedom of speech near an election isn’t a big enough mistake?

Can I blame him for not seeing the obvious result of this? That would be that incumbents now are almost impossible to defeat in an election, as any challenger has to fight for name recognition while also struggling to avoid having their communication run afoul of this law? Or does he get a pass for making the Government more of a “job for life” than it already was as well?

I’m just curious, since I knew this would be an end result before it passed; can I presume he was at least as savvy as I am? And if I can’t presume this, should I vote for someone who seems less politically savvy than a nobody like me?

Again, from the viewpoint I have, I see that either he didn’t know what result it would have (clueless) or didn’t mind that it would give incumbents a huge boost in re-election campaigns (good-old-boy’s club promotion)…

And again, I have to suspect a McCain supporter has a different viewpoint giving them a different option of motivations to apply to McCain; as anyone who looks at it from where I’m standing wouldn’t support McCain under any circumstances…

He may have done a great deal of Public serivce, but just because Jimmy Carter is building houses for the homeless doesn’t mean I’m willing to let him try again…

Qualifications for the job are crucial, and this mistake (from my viewpoint) shows he’s either naive, clueless, or contemptuous of the Constitution. I realize that you have to see this mistake in a different light than I do, but from where I stand, that’s the only motivation I can envision for him; and it isn’t nearly acceptable for a Presidential Candidate.

Maybe Kerry does remember his tour in Vietnam the way he says, maybe he meant every word he said, and maybe he is so complex that he just had trouble getting those complex thoughts across (as many Democrats believed). However from my viewpoint, he was a wishy-washy indecisive exaggerating nuisance; based on looking at the same evidence and events as those Democrats…

I think we have a similar situation here. I think its a difference of viewpoint, not fact. I suspect we see the same facts, but simply interpret them differently. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I can’t view them the same way you do, so I can say from my view, McCain isn’t someone I’d ever vote for… based on my interpretation of the facts presented.

gekkobear on February 21, 2007 at 11:50 AM