Video: Anti-Mormon heckler denounces Romney
posted at 7:11 pm on February 18, 2007 by Allahpundit
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And is promptly and appropriately booed for it. Alas, too late to prevent the sudden onset of heart-ache in our most hysterical pundit, who explains the crowd’s reaction as a sort of red-on-red “Christianist” operation before seizing on Romney’s remark at the end as proof of his own religious bigotry. Tom Bevan has details and speculates as to why the excitable one isn’t more excited about Rudy, whose “conservative soul” in many respects seems to resemble Sully’s. Maybe, hints Bevan, Sullivan’s politics are so invested now in slaying the evangelical dragon that he can’t afford a Giuliani victory. If the Bible Belt turns out for a pro-gay, pro-choice candidate, whither “Christianism”?
As for Sully slamming Romney for wanting a faith-based presidency, point taken. But why cry about it? Most people agree with him and that won’t be changing anytime soon. After all, it’s not Mormons bringing up the rear on this list:
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-NRA4Freedom
Gee whiz, And I thought those Bibles we Mormons have actually meant something. All those New Testament classes in Church about Jesus must be incompatible with the real Jesus since we are Mormons. Why don’t you just come out and say it? IS the King James Version not an acceptable Bible? Because that’s what we read. But you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Free Constitution on February 19, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Laura,
I do not have those problems where I live now, but I know in California and other places those kinds of attacks on the church are happening. You don’t hear about it because we as members don’t make a federal case of it. We bless them for their heartfelt conviction, but really just consider the source of their angst.
csdeven on February 19, 2007 at 9:40 PM
NRA4Freedom,
I’ve seen your type all my life. You feel the need to be right and feel obligated to enlighten those fooled by LDS teachings. Well, you have done so. Now you can dust your feet off to the heathens and enjoy the rightousness of knowing you did your job.
I will continue to ignore your rants because it’s obvious which spirit is motivating you. When you stand before the judgement seat and answer for this conversation, you will be confronted with the fact that your poor example of Christs teachings was a major reason why you were not listened to. And not just by me. How many others have read what you have written and recognized it as being at odds with Christs message?
Peace to you and yours.
csdeven on February 19, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Even I didn’t cross the “I know God so well that when you meet Him He’ll decide to send you to hell” line. You’re so sweet and kind while you wish NRA4Freedom luck in hell. That’s so big of you.
Can we all agree that our own religion is the best way and let God decide?
icelandicfarmer on February 19, 2007 at 10:19 PM
If you were a christian you’d know that my statement does not mean what you just said it meant.
csdeven on February 19, 2007 at 11:06 PM
How’s this – if Romney is the best that the “right” can put up – then the Hillary/Obama ticket should just declare victory now and call it an election because the one in ‘08 will just be a formality.
The man has no substance, has not articulated any cogent ideas, and is essentially the “right’s” “rock star” ala Obama – and somewhat of a low rent version at that.
He is a spoiler, a flavor of the month at best. Religion and belief a diversion here serves to divide politically and garner publicity when no substance can be found.
Dispose of the theatrics and let’s get Gingrich in the running – then it will be a real match between both sides.
Emmett J. on February 19, 2007 at 11:16 PM
I’m truly sorry, but there are huge differences between the Jesus Christ of the Bible and the Mormon version of “jesus”. First and foremost, the Jesus Christ of the Bible is not and never was Lucifer’s brother. Lucifer himself was created BY the Jesus Christ of the Bible, as an angel. The Lucifer of the Bible never had a “plan of redemption”. God, angels, and men, are not of the same species. The Jesus Christ of the Bible is not merely the “firstborn” of the God of the Bible, He is the ONLY begotten Son, and indeed, God Himself manifest in the flesh. We could go on, but there is no reason to, Mormon doctrines and the Bible are wholly incompatable to anyone who actually believes what God says in the Bible. I certainly wish it was not the case, but it is.
I guess I “feel the need” to bear witness to the truth of God’s written word. Not the non existant Mormon version of “god”, who was once a man and is one of many others like him, but the one true God that exists alone, the God of everything that exists, seen and unseen, the God of the Bible.
Again, when I stand before God to give account, it will be before the only God that actually exists, the God of which the Bible speaks. If bearing witness to false doctrines of Mormonism makes me a “poor example of Christ’s teachings”, then it must be the false Mormon “christ” you are speaking of that it would be a poor example of, since the Bible clearly warns believers to watch for false teachers and false religions who will come preaching different christs, different gospels, and different gods. Mormonism does all of those things, and more. I’m sorry, but it is simple and obvious fact.
You even lie in your salutation? Whatever. The Jesus Christ of the Bible said “Think not that I have come to bring peace, but a sword.” The sword of the God of the Bible cleary divides and exposes false doctrines and teachings from the truth of God’s written word. It works very well as Mormonism is concerned.
NRA4Freedom on February 19, 2007 at 11:44 PM
In spite of what Erick at Red State is saying, I’m not completely throwing the towel in on Romney. Definitely not perfect, but not a total loss either, and not necessarily worse than the competition. I like Newt, but he also has a lot of baggage and I can’t imagine him winning. I hate Giuliani on social issues, especially gun control, but like him for security. The only thing I know for sure is that given the choice of voting for McCain or a Democrat, I’ll give serious consideration to amputating my hand before pressing the button for either.
Laura on February 19, 2007 at 11:48 PM
From your mouth to God’s ears(the God of the Bible that is). But I think it more likely that we will reap what we have sown and get what we deserve. We have been murdering our unborn and calling it a “right”, we have been courting and playing footsie with an agenda that the God of the Bible calls abhorrant, we have stood by and allowed God haters to systematically tear down the very Christian foundations of the United States, from our public schools to our venues of Justice. We have allowed the Godless among us to strive ever closer to a socialistic God forgotten society. We can hope and pray for a real miracle, but that may simply not be a part of God’s plan for us.
NRA4Freedom on February 19, 2007 at 11:55 PM
Wow, you have a very narrow definition of the “Jesus of the Bible” and it pretty much excludes 99.99% of Christianity up until the latter half of the 20th century. You know, it doesn’t even matter how much BIBLICAL proof Mormons come up with that they are right, you will just redefine your Jesus to exclude whatever they show you.
It is absolutely ludicrous that popular Christianity claims some universal truth about the “Jesus of the Bible” as if it has been a settled fact for centuries. Jeez! Learn your own religion’s history! The idea that we are saved by grace alone (no works necessary) is a VERY new idea and didn’t even gain wide popularity until the latter half of the 20th century.
You talk about Mormons not knowing about their own religion, but I doubt any one of you could give even a small fraction of even just 19th century Christian theological/philosophical history.
Seriously, this is such a gross waste of time. Popular Christianity will continue living in their narrow understanding of the Bible and will be happy as clams telling Mormons they are going to hell, which Mormons don’t really believe the same thing about anyway (the “hell” most people will go to is actually a relatively nice place compared to the lake of fire and brimstone most popular Christianity is referring to… that place is reserved for a VERY select few who have really tried hard to fight all that is good). Mormons will continue reading and understanding the Bible and other scriptures and calling themselves Christians and will be happy as clams telling non-Mormons they aren’t going to become gods, which popular Christianity doesn’t care about anyway. So, oh well…
I am so very done trying to get the willfully ignorant to open their eyes. This conversation reminds of every conversation I have ever had with left-wing nut jobs. Same tactics, same mentality, different topic.
Anyone who wants to contact me to talk intelligently about religion (especially the philosophies behind religion) or politics can e-mail me… decoy256 at gmail dot com.
Don’t worry, I’ll stick around and as Mojave said, we can still go out and have a caffeine-free Coke after we’re done bickering about this nonsense. Have fun with the Bible-bashing, just count me out.
Decoy256 on February 20, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Romney may not know the Lord Jesus (I can’t judge his heart), but that guy was just an arse. Who does red on red friendly fire? Besides, he’s a better “Christian” than Bill and Hillary who would go to church every Sunday.
Tim Burton on February 20, 2007 at 1:01 AM
NRA4Freedom,
It is sad that you use the Lords teachings to puff yourself up like you do. I already explained to you that you fulfilled your requirement to witness to the heathens and you can dust your feet off. Yet you persist. Which Jesus taught you to do that?
csdeven on February 20, 2007 at 1:07 AM
Yea well, take your complaints up with the God of the Bible…
“…For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast…”
I will “persist” as long as Mormons keep posting their false teachings concerning the God and the Jesus Christ of the Bible. But thanks for your concern.
NRA4Freedom on February 20, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Religion: Hey everybody, the last time I checked, Jesus isn’t going to quiz us on our bibical philosophy when we get to heaven. He’s not going to ask us if April or December is when he was born or if the Garden of Eden was in Missouri or on the Euphrates. We won’t find out where he’s going to arrive back first, Salt Lake City or Jerusalem or Texas, until it actually happens.
I have a very simply test for Christianity. I just ask them what they would tell a man on his deathbed what he needed to know to receive forgiveness to get to heaven. Even though my husband is Mormon, he passed my test and I passed his. All the rest it just Sinful Humans attempting to explain and understand fully what and how God works. Being Sinful Human, we’re never going to get it right anyway. Each generation will have our own Point of Extreme Importance to be debated. Our Humanity splits us up into denominations but our love of Jesus allow us to call each other Christian Brothers and Sisters.
Politics:
In recent decades, the idea that the old kingdom of the Hebrews should be restored to the Jews as part of the end times has become quite popular. Now, Mormons don’t believe this at all, believing instead that the kingdom of God will be established at Salt Lake City and that America is the New Promised Land. So, if a Mormon is President, this plays greatly against foreign accusations that Jews are in control of America and the Christians are in cahoots with them. No Mormon President can be accused of siding with the Jews just because of their religion or against Muslim just because of their religion. There will be no basis for this attack anymore.
Foreign powers just might have to accept that we support the nation of Israel because they are a fellow Democratic power with rights for their peoples.
Okay, maybe I’m just dreaming. *sigh*
mollo on February 20, 2007 at 1:02 PM
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