Video: Michelle vs. Marones on crackdown of illegal immigrants

posted at 10:09 pm on February 16, 2007 by Ian

Guest hosting for Bill, Michelle duked it out with Immigrant Rights Activist and illegal alien apologist Enrique Morones on tonight’s Factor. Morones argues the crackdown on illegal immigration in cities across the nation is racist, adding law enforcement officials only go after “people who look like me” and not blue-eyed blondes.


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Down here in San Diego, radio host Rick Roberts (AM760 KFMB) calls this guy Ricky Moronic. He’s interviewed him a few times, and can only take a few moments of him at a time.

Michelle tore him up.

Freelancer on February 16, 2007 at 10:21 PM

Michelle rocked the house on this one. Great job tonight, Michelle!

mikeyboss on February 16, 2007 at 10:21 PM

Firecarcker!

Malpaso on February 16, 2007 at 10:22 PM

“Polices passed by this country” cause Mexicans poverty… Give me a break.

Free Constitution on February 16, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Yeah – I caught this segment too. This guy “Enrique” (I think) believes the police are profiling the latino community. As if illegal immigration were a problem. Michelle correctly pointed out this was not about racial profiling. How ridiculous can this argument get?

thedecider on February 16, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Good job.
Bogus to blame the US for Mexico’s incompetence in providing a functioning economy for it’s own citizens. If there are poor people who can’t get visas, it’s Mexico’s fault, not the US’s. It’s Mexico’s fault it has a peasant class, with poor educations and opportunities.
If Mexico were to do a roundup of foreigners on it’s soil, would they racial profile to kick out the Americans, Europeans, Canadiens. Yeh. They’d also ethnic profile to identify the Guatemalans or Salvadorans for example – ask the right questions and their accents betray them.
It’s better to be an illegal in the USA than anywhere else in the world (which is why we are having this problem). Take an example: Nigeria a few years back got fed up with the Ghanians and gave about 1.5 million people about 3 days to get out – or else. It wasn’t pretty. It happens a lot in other countries. This man has no basis on which to whine.

naliaka on February 16, 2007 at 10:34 PM

Balls

RightWinged on February 16, 2007 at 10:43 PM

I don’t think it was a smack down I actually saw two people having an intelligent discussion

You can disagree with the advocate, You can disagree with Michelle

But this was on a pretty good tone

Need more of this

EricPWJohnson on February 16, 2007 at 10:46 PM

How do you say gumballs in Spanish?

Limerick on February 16, 2007 at 10:50 PM

I am trying to figure out where I can confirm that the United States of America makes other countries poor so the people have to break the law to come here and work for us.
Could you please supply me with an ISBN for the book?

Limerick on February 16, 2007 at 10:52 PM

It’s just insulting to one’s intelligence the way Enrique the activist sits for 5 minutes ranting on one focus. Targeting the hispanic community. And middleasterners.

Griz on February 16, 2007 at 10:59 PM

Limerick – indeed. If you get that by chance, do pass that on. Heh.

major john on February 16, 2007 at 10:59 PM

“Polices passed by this country” cause Mexicans poverty… Give me a break.

Free Constitution

Yeah I like how he tried to pass off the poverty issues in Latin America on Bush (he mentioned the direction of our country in the last 6 years)!?! Bush the friggin appeaser of illegals! Not to mention the insanity of trying to say the poverty in Latin America started 6 years ago.

What a joke.

Benaiah on February 16, 2007 at 11:02 PM

Mr.Morones seems to have a problem understanding the undo stress and inconvienience some of our citizens are experiencing due to the influx of illegal immigrants. I feel the same way on the subject, but I think my esteemed associate Mr. Kid communicates the point more succintly

sonnyspats1 on February 16, 2007 at 11:03 PM

And what percentage of mexicans are blond haired and blue eyed? My southern accent gives me away and so does the language and mannerisms of illegals.
He then cited that it was a trust issue.How about trusting the latino community to go back to Mexico when their visa’s run out or not hide other lawbreaking illegals.
This guy is grasping at straws.He didnt make a valid point.
Good job Michelle.

spazzmomma on February 16, 2007 at 11:09 PM

Why does he possibly think we are trying to establish a “trust relationship” with illegal aliens? Geeze oh Pete.

Glynn on February 16, 2007 at 11:10 PM

I just wish they would get thier stories straight. They are illegals, they broke the law PERIOD. Yes , I am sorry that thier own government could care less about them but why should we have to foot the bill for the thousands who are crossing weekly into this country ? It is getting worse and we have to act and if it takes our police to enforce a certain aspect of it, so be it. Bank of America sees the big farce in giving them all a credit card without a SS #. They are being exploited by all the corporations and our government isn’t doing a dam thing about it and not fast enough. It is a shame and a disgrace that we can’t control our own borders.

bones47 on February 16, 2007 at 11:12 PM

I see this clown everywhere. He truly is a racist parasite. He doesn’t even realize he is making it worse for his “people”. If they would not have held those marches an amnesty could have been slipped in under the politcal barage over Iraq. What a dummy.

Theworldisnotenough on February 16, 2007 at 11:13 PM

Ian,

Maybe Allah did not tell you this when he took his break but you are supposed to bait the anti-illegal immigration conservatives with the picture of Tancredo as a crusader. Then Slublog comes on here and tells us we are bigots.

Keep this in mind in the future. We wouldn’t want to stop the dance.

Bill C on February 16, 2007 at 11:20 PM

Great Job Michelle,
FOX needs to give You your own Hour or two or even three!

abinitioadinfinitum on February 16, 2007 at 11:28 PM

Dear Mr. Morones;

My wife is Irish. She is one of 17 children. That’s right, 17. Four immigrated to the United States. Three immigrated to England. Two immigrated to Australia. One immigrated to Germany. All got 1. visa 2. workpermit 3. alien card 4. enrolled in citizenship classes 5. worked legally in those countries until eligible of citizenship 6. became citizens of those countries. The one that went to Germany speaks German as his primary language now. Imagine that. Oh and they were DIRT FRIGGIN POOR.

But I guess they didn’t have a problem because they all have red or blond hair and blue or green eyes. THAT is why they didn’t get in trouble with the local police. Now I get it. Thank you for enlightening me.

Limerick on February 16, 2007 at 11:34 PM

Sorry Limerick it only counts if you are brooowwwnnn. I hear it is the new black.

Theworldisnotenough on February 16, 2007 at 11:43 PM

Oh and they were DIRT FRIGGIN POOR.

Limerick on February 16, 2007 at 11:34 PM

So Limerick goes to poor countries and exploits their women. You bastard.

Amanda Marcotte

Bill C on February 16, 2007 at 11:46 PM

What other wealthy countries are the Mexicans going to? Anyone?

Glynn on February 16, 2007 at 11:50 PM

Cuba.

Limerick on February 16, 2007 at 11:50 PM

Enrique bears an uncanny resemblence to Fred Flintstone. Do you suppose that when he runs, his arms hang straight down at his sides? So first, Fred Flintstone, and then, the Tigger/Chucky-Cheese segment. I dunno. If I was Michelle, I’d consider launching an investigation in order to find out why Bill O’Reilly saddled her almost exclusively with “cartoon segments”.

CyberCipher on February 16, 2007 at 11:55 PM

Large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress, as well as some individual cities, are finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the U.S. might protect its own borders, might make it harder to illegally sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests and “spokes-persons” whose only concern, afterall, are the rights of the illegal immigrants:

Let’s say I break into your house. Let’s say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, “I’ve made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I’ve done all the things you don’t like to do. Plus, I’ve been here too long now. I’ve been here all day! I’m hard-working and honest… except for when I broke in and illegally made myself at home inside your house”.

According to the protesters, and idiots like this guy Enrique Morones, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family’s insurance plan, educate my kids, give me a welfare and unemployment stipend, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (I will do your yard work though, because I am hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part). If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs for all to see that say you are a racist and proclaim my right to be there. I will sue you and I may even take the crucifix off your wall and take your bible, and hold up inside your house claiming “sanctuary”.

It’s only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I’m just trying to better myself. I’m hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know, the breaking into your house and illegally making myself at home part.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, paying little or no taxes, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, racism and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me! English is too hard for me to learn, and why should I have to try to learn your language? Why can’t you learn mine? I don’t want to be assimilated, I just want to break into your house and make myself at home.

Why can’t people see how ridiculous this is?

Only in America …

SilverStar830 on February 17, 2007 at 12:21 AM

officials only go after “people who look like me” and not blue-eyed blondes.

Because 99% of the people sneaking across our borders illegaly are not blue-eyed blondes, they are people that look like you… D’oh! What a nut.

Lawrence on February 17, 2007 at 12:24 AM

Racial profiling, Racist, Racism, Race card, RACE CARD, RACE CARD… What an Idiot!

Lawrence on February 17, 2007 at 12:27 AM

Yum

Jaibones on February 17, 2007 at 12:29 AM

So Limerick goes to poor countries and exploits their women. You bastard.

Amanda Marcotte

Bill C on February 16, 2007 at 11:46 PM

Women? I got enuf on my hands with the wife. Don’t need no more exploiting if I know what’s good for me. Yes dear. No dear. I am sorry I forgot that dear.

Limerick on February 17, 2007 at 12:30 AM

Wow! A latino Jessie Jackson. Yet another race baiter.

And, by the way, illegal *ALIENS* are here ILLEGALLY as in ‘IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW.’. They are not ‘law abiding’ as this person would want you to think and do not deserve to be treated as such.

I refuse to call them illegal ‘immigrants’ because they are *not* they are illegal aliens. They have not been granted immigration status. We must not allow them to confuse legal immigrants (who made this country great and are welcome) with ILLEGAL aliens (who are law-breakers who drag this country down and should *not* be welcome)

Good Job Michelle.

CrazyFool on February 17, 2007 at 12:32 AM

Here’s a question:

Of all the policemen in these heavily Latino communities doing all the detaining, how may policemen are themselves Latino?

We have Latino cops detaining illegal Latino immigrants, and it’s all the fault of blonde haired, blue eyed, caucasians. {sigh}

Lawrence on February 17, 2007 at 12:34 AM

Great job Michelle!

I didn’t catch The Factor tonight but kudos to Bill for having Michelle as guest host.

Enrique Morones was just reciting the same old tired socialist/open borders/left wing rhetoric regarding illegals. Shouldn’t these people update their talking points if they expect the American people to get on board?

infidel4life on February 17, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Correction:

It’s all the fault of blonde-haired blue-eyed caucasian males, and one female Philipino “fire-cracker”…

Lawrence on February 17, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Enrique Morones is a card carrying member of La Raza, bent on Reconquista, and is the biggest racists/activist/lefists that ever wore the T-shirt of “Marcha Immigrante II”.

The Mexican Government actively teaches in the government controlled schools that the United States stole Mexican lands after the Spanish/American war and broke the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which we did not, and it is the “right” of every Mexican Citizen to emmigrate to the United States, legal or illegal, to take back the country.

The Mexican Consulant routinely interferes in law enforcement efforts within the United States, that involve illegal aliens, and recently, has been disclosed to have been a driving force for the prosecution of the two border patrol officers and a sheriff’s deputy for simply enforceing our laws.

Votes mean more to Democrats than the borders of the United States in California.

In every arguement, he preaches the left’s propoganda and talking points about human rights and profiling, when all the time dismisses the responsibility of the Mexican Government’s role in causing the problem in the first place.

This guy will be happy to give your daughter a “Filthy Sanchez”, then send you the cleaning bill, all the time calling you a racist.

When and what will it take for the rest of the country to see what is actually happening along our southern border?

An “Infitada”?……… Well, you won’t have to wait long.

PinkyBigglesworth on February 17, 2007 at 12:43 AM

OK, I have to admit, the guy started out with what I felt was an arguable point of view. But then, as Michelle pressed him, the sheepskin came off, and out flew a moonbat. Pathetic.

And what was up with that completely irrelevant statistic that only 6% of undocumented people in the world are in the US? Who gives a crap?

Hack Ptui on February 17, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Eye

One Angry Christian on February 17, 2007 at 12:52 AM

What that was supposed to say is “eye heart MM” only the heart was a three and a greater than sign. Apparently this interface doesn’t like that text.

:-P

One Angry Christian on February 17, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Enrique, mi amigo, I thought you were much younger :)

Entelechy on February 17, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Sorry, I forgot the link….. enjoy:

An “Infitada”?……… Well, you won’t have to wait long.

PinkyBigglesworth on February 17, 2007 at 1:01 AM

Uh, they’re profiling latinos because that’s the big problem you moron, not the Swedes. By the way, illegal immigrants are real criminals, Enrique.

SouthernDem on February 17, 2007 at 1:12 AM

Pinky. Link bad.

I wonder if Enrique can say ‘Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago’ or ‘Chapultepec’ or maybe something like ‘Winfield Scott’? ‘Vera Cruz’ maybe?

If your ‘Reconquista’ wants to meet Bobby Lee again just let us know.

Limerick on February 17, 2007 at 1:14 AM

Enough about immigration! Could you post her segment about Anna Nicole Smith? I missed it.

billy on February 17, 2007 at 1:29 AM

He’s whining that they aren’t going after people with blue eyes and “how many anglos have been detained” and she doesn’t point out that the invaders aren’t “anglos” and don’t have blue eyes?

I’ve never known a blue eyed illegal alien. I mean, I’m sure there has a been a few but I don’t know how he gets away with that grievance.

Maybe Michelle just needs to get used to cameras.

Perchant on February 17, 2007 at 1:38 AM

I’m leaning toward Giuliani, but a Malkin candidacy in 08 would really get me excited…

Halley on February 17, 2007 at 2:01 AM

Great interview Michelle!

Enrique sounds as though he will use any point he can, valid or not, to object to any enforcement of immigration law.

The reason that most of those arrested for immigration violations are Mexicans is that the vast majority of the illegal aliens are Mexicans. Illegal aliens of any nationality should be immediately deported, but the point is that ALMOST ALL of the illegal aliens are Mexican.

omegaram on February 17, 2007 at 2:08 AM

Lo siento,

http://www.unm.edu/~ecdn/inevitability.htm

Try this……..

PinkyBigglesworth on February 17, 2007 at 3:09 AM

I will be the first person to report them when I see those Polish illegal aliens jumping the southern border.

EnochCain on February 17, 2007 at 3:10 AM

Darn for some reason, It won’t work….. they’re on to me…

“The Inevitability of a Mexicano Nation in the American Southwest and Northern Mexico”

Dr. Charles A. Truxillo

Recently, several prominent American academics and journalists have mentioned me in their books – notably Pat Buchanan, Victor Hanson, and Samuel Huntington; they cite my advocacy of Mexicano nationalism in the American Southwest. In 1999, I was interviewed by the Albuquerque Tribune. In that article, I predicted that by the late twenty-first century Mexicanos would constitute a demographic majority in the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and would move first towards autonomy and then towards sovereignty. Moreover, I believe that the American Southwest and northern Mexico will join together to form a new country, which I call La República del Norte.

Responses to my thesis ranged from outrage to mild amusement, receiving a lot of play on the Internet. I have been called a traitor to the United States and a prophet of the Mexicano “reconquista” of the Southwest. My Mexicano and Latino colleagues mostly trip over themselves trying to disavow my ideas and reaffirm their undying commitment to the American dream. In their responses to Samuel Huntington’s article in Foreign Policy magazine, Latino leaders and intellectuals revalidated, in the most obsequious manner, the power of American society to assimilate Latino immigrants. Like many African American leaders after the Civil Rights movement, they have been bought off by public sector jobs and middle class respectability. None of them celebrated the power of Latinos in the United States with its potential to reshape the geopolitics of North America.

I do not deny that the United States has tremendous power to assimilate immigrants. American pop-culture and consumerism are characteristics of the new globalism. On the other hand, those signpost traits that Americans believe to be unique to their culture are in fact part of the universal heritage of the Enlightenment and Modernity. I am, of course, referring to representative government and capitalism. Moreover, Enlightenment values were widely shared across Western Civilization in Europe and the Americas. The Founding Fathers of the United States and Latin America were equally participants in the creation of the modern world. However, it is true that the social evolution of the United States and Latin America are different. The Catholic monarchy of Spain stretched from Taos, New Mexico to Patagonia in Argentina; after Independence (1810-1825) it broke apart into eighteen countries. In contrast, the thirteen English colonies became the United States and expanded territorically at the expense of Indian tribes, France, Mexico, and Spain between 1797 and 1898.

The reason most of Latin America remains underdeveloped compared with the United States is not related to seminal cultural traits, but instead lies in the historical foundations of their respective economies and social systems. I am not, of course, denying that Mexicanos and other Latinos are culturally different from North Americans. Rather, it should be recalled that Latin America forms an integral and organic part of the same Western Civilization as the United States, Canada, and Europe. In fact, Latin America was incorporated into the Western world one hundred years before North America. Yet, it is not a shared European culture or Christianity that critics of Mexicano immigration fear; rather, it is the mixed race origins of Latinos that terrifies Pat Buchanan, Victor Hanson, and Samuel Huntington. They fear that the ideal of a white republic founded on eternal Anglo-Saxon values will be swamped by a brown tidal wave of mestizo and mulatto peoples from the Catholic and Indo-Hispanic societies of Latin America. It is as if the struggle between Elizabethan England and the Spain of Philip II is still being played out along the US – Mexican border.

Samuel Huntington is correct in the essentials of his thesis. The American Southwest (1847 – ) was formerly the northern territory of Mexico and New Spain. For hundreds of years, the Southwest was El Norte viewed from Mexico City; the United States conquered the region in the war of 1846-1848. Yet, the older north-south axis was never broken and shows every sign of reasserting itself. Many Mexicanos feel that they are recolonizing an area taken from their ancestors by force in an unjust war, which American presidents Lincoln and Grant criticized for its overt imperialism. Huntington is, therefore, correct in saying that Mexicano immigrants have a unique historical relationship to the Southwest.

Taking a larger view of human history, I believe that the westward expansion of the United States is a spent force and that its rollback began in the jungles of Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War (1965-1975). Inspired by Manifest Destiny, the United States conquered the west (1803-1890). However, an older continental movement intersected with American expansion, the northward thrust of Mexicanos. Since Mesoamerican times, peoples from Mexico have been moving north. The civilization of Teotihuacán (150BC – 750AD) maintained extensive contact with the early Pueblo cultures of the southwest. Toltec soldiers, merchants, and missionaries from Tula (900 – 1200AD) sustained similar contact with the Anasazi, Mogollon, and Hohokam societies in New Mexico and Arizona. When Spaniards conquered the Mexica-Aztec empire (1325-1521), they took up the northward expansion of Mesoamericans. Mexicano subjects of Spain established northern colonies – or kingdoms – in Zacatecas (1545), Durango (1575), Nuevo Leon (1580), New Mexico (1598), Chihuahua (1635), Sonora (1640), Texas (1718), Tamaulipas (1740), and California (1769). Centuries of warfare with northern tribes, cattle ranching, farming, mining in arid lands, and finally proximity to the United States made Norteños different from other Mexicanos. They are more aggressive and enterprising; Norteños were also in the vanguard of resisting American (1835-1848) and French (1861-1867) imperialism. During the Mexican Revolution (1910-1929) Norteños such as Pancho Villa and his división del norte were among its most dynamic elements. Today northern Mexicanos are sixty million on either side of the border. Norteños have a unique culture with its own style, food, music, and political orientation. Their way of life is founded on the ranching traditions of the Iberian frontiersmen who reconquered Spain from the Moors (711-1492) and whose conquistador descendants went on to colonize Latin America and produce a new mestizo people in Mexico. In recent times, Norteños have tended to be more politically conservative and pro-business than other Mexicanos. Like Northern Italians, Northern Mexicanos feel increasingly alienated from their country’s south, which tends to be more Indio culturally, anti-clerical, and politically leftist.

Norteños are like Palestinians, Quebecois, and Sri Lanka Tamils – new nationalities. The tide of history is on their side; a new age of nationalism is sweeping the planet. This fourth springtime of nations is comparable to the first age of nationalism during the French Revolutionary era (1789-1830), the second age of nations after World War I (1918-1925), and the third period of national formations at the end of European colonialism (1947-1965).

Large-scale empires, especially multi-ethnic ones, have shattered (the Soviet Union, 1917-1991 and Yugoslavia, 1920-1992); others such as India and Indonesia appear shabby and unstable. Only the United States and China remain superpowers – land based empires of conquest – and each has millions of unassimilated and unreconciled minorities. It is the natural aspiration of any peoples who achieve national consciousness to establish their own sovereign nation-states. At least this has been the pattern since the English colonists broke away from England and established the United States (1776- ). An observer of these developments might ask why the United States would oppose a similar movement on the part of its own national minorities. Surely, the existence of hundreds or even thousands of small-scale polities would produce a world order in which a global government could emerge. Smaller national states would satisfy ethnic-tribal ambitions, lead to local national renaissances, while a world government provides security, global economic planning, and environmental stewardship. The first Persian Empire (550-330BC) is a model of how this type of system should ideally work. And no matter what its shortcomings, it would be better than the international anarchy produced by a few rogue superpowers acting unilaterally as in Iraq and Tibet.

The emergence of an independent Mexicano country in El Norte — the American Southwest and Northern Mexico — will not be achieved through violence or civil war. For who could stand up to the military might of the United States? Instead, one has to imagine a three-fold process by which Norteños – Chicanos, Mexican Americans, and Northern Mexicanos – slowly move toward a new national consciousness and then aspire for nationhood.

First, the rising tide of American nativism will alienate millions of Mexicanos as they suffer from increasing anti-immigrant sentiment, punitive legislation against the public use of Spanish, anti-Catholic Protestant fundamentalism, and widespread calls for the expulsion of Mexicanos or their forced assimilation. Secondly, as Mexicanos become a majority in the border states, they will use the American system to further their national evolution. American democracy and capitalism will allow them to capture local governments and economies, moving from self-government to autonomy, then finally a sentiment for independence. The process will resemble the development of Quebecois nationalism in Canada or that of the Czechs in the old Habsburg Empire (1526-1919). Undoubtedly, the United States will lash out viciously, but heightened world opinion will moderate its response. Furthermore, the moral contradiction of the United States acting like Israel, denying to others the same rights it claims for itself, will force the United States to concede or eventually face a long-term Palestinian-style Intifada along its border with Mexico.

Thirdly, Norteños and other Mexicanos do not come to the United States to embrace or adopt Anglo-Saxon culture. In fact, they are the heirs of a much older and pluralistic civilization – Mesoamerican (1500BC – 1521AD), Hispanic Catholic (1521-1821), and Mestizo-Mexicano (1821- ) – which most Mexicanos do not want to surrender. Instead, they cross the border hoping to find opportunities that do not exist in Mexico. They want the benefits of American capitalism, but not Anglo-American culture, which in its Las Vegas-Disneyland-Pop-Media style has very little real depth or quality. Furthermore, most Mexicanos realize that if Americans had not slowly infiltrated, then overwhelmed, their lost northern territories, Mexico would have been the beneficiary of California’s gold rush, Texas’s oil wells, New Mexico’s minerals, and the Southwest’s other resources and treasures. Mexico might have fulfilled the predictions of Alexander von Humboldt (ca. 1800) and become North America’s superpower instead of the United States.

Mexico’s failure economically is yet another factor pushing Mexicanos northward and will eventually lead to a new national identity in El Norte. Millions continue to move north no matter what measures are taken to stop this Völkerwanderungen. In fact, the frenzy of anti-Mexicano rhetoric and proposed anti-immigrant legislation will, in turn, heighten their sense of alienation and separateness, fostering the inevitable realization that Mexicanos in the borderlands must have a country of their own in lands once ruled by their ancestors – La República del Norte.

PinkyBigglesworth on February 17, 2007 at 3:10 AM

Yea we have a problem with all the blue eyed Swedes, Norwegians and illegales from Finland coming to the USA illegally.

Michelle you did a better job than Bill-O, but you went too easy on him, but it was refreshing. You let him talk, so I understand his point of view, just like the above post. THEY REALLY THINK THIS! They think they are going to reclaim SW USA. We have to understand this. WHY IS THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT NOT DOING ANYTHING (BOTH PARTIES)? WE KNOW WHY THE Mexican GOV DOES NOTHING? (#2 national product is money sent to Mexico from the USA, Mexican Gov supported drug trade with their police and military involved is up their as well).

Sure there are “GOOD” illegal mexicans, but people don’t want to talk about the gangs, drug dealers, child molesters and killers that come over the boarder. We should have control over and decide who is here. Please sign the guest book on the way in please, and oh yes learn English. How evil of America to ask people to follow the law.

The whole idea about their land is crazy. Mexico has some of the worlds most beautiful coast lines, oil reserves and could easily have become a viable nation that people would want to stay in, but they don’t not. That is not Americas fault it is their corrupt government and ultimately the Mexican people.

It’s very clear they do want to come here, to take advantage of “The benefits of American capitalism, but not Anglo-American culture, which in its Las Vegas-Disneyland-Pop-Media style has very little real depth or quality”. Right, Tacos and Low riders are culturally rich. I love tacos but this Ani-American attitude is disturbing.

I went to a Windy’s Burger join and one ONE employee could speak English. Than at a later date went to a Chinese restaurant and the two bus guys who where recently from Hong Kong tried and could speak some English and where here only a short time. One thing is for sure I am tired of having to PUSH ONE FOR ENGLISH.

gmcjetpilot on February 17, 2007 at 5:11 AM

They should lock this guy up just for being stupid.

DoctorDentons on February 17, 2007 at 6:22 AM

Bust the illegal aliens at the local as well as the federal level. That is called “LAW ENFORCEMENT.”

This is NOT about poor, poor chicanos looking for work because their government MEXICO is corrupt and incompetent.

It’s about ILLEGAL ALIENS.

It’s about ILLEGAL ALIENS competing with the rest of us and driving down everybody’s wages.

It’s about ILLEGAL ALIENS creating a security nightmare.

It’s about ILLEGAL ALIENS consuming tax dollars and resources that belong to the TAX PAYERS.

It’s about La Reza traitors like Marones who think they will take back America’s southwest by ‘flooding the zone’ with ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Why should AMERICAN CITIZENS have to PAY FOR THE CORRUPT policies and incompetent government in MEXICO.

Let’s face it, the policies of the GOVERNMENT of MEXICO make it a hostile government to America. The sooner Americans realize that MEXICO is an enemy of the United States, the sooner they will (1) stop going to Mexico as tourists and transfering OUR wealth to a corrupt country, (2) consider siezing their off shore oil platforms, especially the new ones going in off of Florida, (3) Seizing MEXICAN government assets in United States Banks and investments in American corporations, and (4) Closing down Mexican consulates that are little more than agencies that ASSIST ILLEGAL ALIENS from MEXICO evade US Authorities.

Marones is part of a wide-ranging plot to undermine American sovereignty of STATES, in conjunction with the government of Mexico.

georgej on February 17, 2007 at 7:28 AM

Great job Michelle. You made wrangling that pro-illegal immigration weasel look easy!

Zorro on February 17, 2007 at 7:53 AM

At least he wore his very best T-shirt. Respect.

I’m with you Limerick; my buddy just married a lovely Irish lass who was here — gasp — legally. She applied for and got a work visa like a sucker.

It reminds me of our city’s summer school lunch program: free breakfast and lunch all summer to any kid who shows up — ’cause we progressive types understand that poor (i.e., black) people can’t be expected to pour a bowl of cereal in the morning. And we can’t expect Mexicans to understand all those laws.

saint kansas on February 17, 2007 at 8:08 AM

They are CRIMINAL ALIENS and should be called such. Ricky Moron is a pathetic parasite supporting the destruction of America as we knew it. I’m fed up with his kind. And I wish Michelle had a gag/straight jacket/cattle prod/taser/ or something to shut him up.

PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on February 17, 2007 at 8:40 AM

Michelle you truly give the Minute Men hope. Keeping this issue in the public face is one of the most important fronts in preserving the United States.

1/3 of the prisoners in our Federal system are not Americans. Something that needs to be confronted. Thanks for the great job and keeping up the good fight.

Timber Wolf on February 17, 2007 at 8:49 AM

Votes mean more to Democrats than the borders of the United States in California.

PinkyBigglesworth on February 17, 2007 at 12:43 AM

Right again, PinkyB. It’s all a matter of perspective.

The libs in question believe borders are an antiquated nationalistic constructs that restrict “cultural progress”.

We believe that borders protect cultural advancement and “cultural stability”.

According to libs we should “share our wealth” with our less fortunate neighbors to the south. Regardless of the fact that said neighbors are illegally bleeding us of the wealth we work so hard for.

It’s all about “wealth redistribution” and secular progressive cultural reengineering.

Lawrence on February 17, 2007 at 9:05 AM

borders are an antiquated nationalistic constructs that restrict “cultural progress”.–Lawrence on February 17

Not to mention that no borders = no need for any military. If it was just one big happy block party we could all sit around and sing ‘Laugh and be Happy’.

That great American patriot and profit Rodney King said it best; ‘Can’t we all just get along?’

Limerick on February 17, 2007 at 9:18 AM

Honestly, she let him talk too much and didn’t marshall a very strong rebuttal to his points. Maybe she let him hang himself — this is O’Reilly’s audience, who can see through this rhetoric I guess — but Michelle could have made mincemeat of him.

Anil Petra on February 17, 2007 at 9:19 AM

Mr. Morones tried to present a calm(er) and (more) ordered argument than the usual leftist-utopian propogandist, but, as MM pointed out, Mr. Morones spewed the usual ‘blame-america-first’ hyperbole and racist cranial diarrhea typically found festering in people like J. Jackson, A. Huffington, the LA times editorial staff, A. Sharpton, etc.

But I think it is something more primordial: BDS – bush derangement syndrome – as illustrated by Mr. Morones comment ‘…the failure of this nations policies during the last 6 years….’

Yeah.

That explains it.

“It all started 6 years ago on a dark and stormy night….”

locomotivebreath1901 on February 17, 2007 at 9:44 AM

“Polices passed by this country” cause Mexicans poverty… Give me a break.

Then why are they coming here?

Wade on February 17, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Deportation. Now!

(Or, if we want it to sound all p.c. “repatriation”. NOW!)

If you invade the country, for any reason, you should be tracked down and ejected.

I mow my own lawn. Do my own landscaping. And I’ll pay more for everything, from lettuce to motel rooms, if it means securing the country against the potential Balkanized future -Reconquista-ville- and inviting a massive terrorist attack through the porous borders (and even more porous Congressional and pandering presidential heads).

If this suicidal stupidity isn’t stopped now, the country, as a country, is lost.

Or is a Giant Mexico something to aim for?

With 7-11′s renamed MS13′s?

profitsbeard on February 17, 2007 at 9:54 AM

Wait just a minute! This moron has a problem with police stopping illegals from the Middle East? Is he kidding? Local law enforcement better be acting to stop Middle Eastern illegals who are in flight schools. How quickly we forget 9/11.
Sorry, I forgot for a moment that some people are on the other side…

mkstach on February 17, 2007 at 10:11 AM

WADE-

“Then why are they coming here?

Because they are smart enough to take advantage of our stupidity.

And primarily because of the cupidity of our mendacious business-political class -that loves to pad its own pockets while destroying the foundations of the nation.

Which makes the crooked wealth they accumulate ultimately meaningless, as the country is slithered into the sewers of third world imbecility.

profitsbeard on February 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM

How can there be DEBATE over enforcing FEDERAL LAW??? What, liberals ONLY believe in enforcing the laws that THEY like? How typical.

NRA4Freedom on February 17, 2007 at 10:40 AM

Who are the police allowed to stop? Oh yah, people who look like me.

She let this guy talk too much. He’s another rascist ala Jesse (who’s your daddy) Jackson.

Next time cut him off Michelle. He’s just reading from a script.

Mojave Mark on February 17, 2007 at 10:44 AM

To Morones’ credit, this segment was conducted more like a debate of ideas and positions than the smack-down shouting match many of the other guests on his side of the argument have presented. The result was I actually listened to the whole segment rather than bailed midway through.

GPE on February 17, 2007 at 11:07 AM

I still think we all should pick a couple laws that we can ignore, just as our loving, helpful, innocent neighbors to the south do. I want to drive as fast as I want, anywhere.

At least if we threaten to do so, maybe we all march in a few cities….nah, they wouldn’t believe we would actually BREAK THE LAW!!!

MM, you are very good, but next time don’t give that meathead moron so much unchallenged time for his rhetoric…interupt the madness, it’s OK.

shooter on February 17, 2007 at 11:12 AM

This argument reminded me of the Chuck Stuart case in Boston when Chuck shot his pregnant wife and himself. He told the cops he was shot by a black man. Blacks in the inner city were angry that they were being “profiled” and that cops were only investigating them. DUH! Were they supposed to look for red haired albinos???? Stupidity is the order of the day.

Mellen on February 17, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Regarding the thesis reprinting by PinkyB:
The assertation that these Mexicans are returning to land occupied by their ancestors is empty. Nary a soul coming over the boarder has any ancestry derived from north of the line. Zero is probably closest to the truth. If our educational system had stayed out of the destructive hands of the Left, our general population would be well-equipped to see this for the patent lie it is, even with being bombarded by the fawning complicity of the media. But, the Left deliberately created a school system of emptiness that produces people who have no tools with which to determine what is crap and what isn’t. Now, aggressive Lefties like this man take advantage of this ignorance. To win this debate requires a multi-faceted approach, including educating (de-brainwashing) the American people about the history of this country.

naliaka on February 17, 2007 at 11:37 AM

“…because poor people don’t get a visa.”

Bollocks! I’m an immigrant and I come from a third world country halfway around the world. I had to wait years to get my visa. Yes, that “visa” thing, it does actually exist and people do actually get them. Legally. Even poor people!

I came here for the same reason that most people come here. The difference between me and people like Enrique Morones is that I respect the American culture and American LAWS.

Enrique “Morones”. Indeed.

redzap on February 17, 2007 at 11:39 AM

Welcome aboard redzap. I got the BBQ all fired up…comeon over. :)

Limerick on February 17, 2007 at 11:44 AM

To Morones’ credit, this segment was conducted more like a debate …

GPE on February 17, 2007 at 11:07 AM

Disagree. The credit is all Michelle’s. She controlled the conversation and let him have his say, and shut him up when she needed to make her points. She’s really good.

Jaibones on February 17, 2007 at 12:22 PM

PS He’s a flaming moron.

Jaibones on February 17, 2007 at 12:24 PM

PPS

Bill C on February 16, 2007 at 11:20 PM

Heh.

Jaibones on February 17, 2007 at 12:28 PM

“We want to get these guys off the street but we ned to do it in a humanitarin manner.” What does that even mean?
According to this guy simply pulling over people of the wrong color is inhumane… Just another incoherent argument from a leftist.

“These are poor people with no other alternative than to come into this country with no legal papers.” That is outrageous on its face. Their other option is to stay in their own country and makes something of IT instead of suckling the teat of America while slapping it in the face…

JEFF_IN_NC on February 17, 2007 at 1:24 PM

“Polices passed by this country” cause Mexicans poverty… Give me a break.

Free Constitution on February 16, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Right On! FC. I mean WTF!!!!!! Did you see all those “poor, unable to get their own passport” malcontents? Spewed out just like a Socialist would. Keep your frkking problems out of our contry. We are willing to take your law abiding and LEAGAL MASSES but don;t run that Socialist/Racist/Liberal BS on our contry you W**B**k.

auspatriotman on February 17, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Oh, and Michelle. I couldn’t help but see a little of the Irish Avenger in you. You did a good job like Bill only your a LOT prettier;O)~

auspatriotman on February 17, 2007 at 1:58 PM

I’m REALLY tired of this EUROPE BULL SH*T , where did they learn their language? It’s SPANISH you speak you dimwitted frivkin MORON. You are spain-iards , killing machines that wiped out the native peoples of mexico.

shooter on February 17, 2007 at 2:07 PM

Marones-”How many anglos have been detained?”

Actually, quite a few you racist, The vast majority of Illegal Aliens are from Mexico at over 30%, not Europeans or Russians which he was implying.

Marones-”Law Enforcement is overwhelmingly against having to enforce immigration laws”

One, the vast majority of Law Enforcement want to enforce our Immigration Laws but are prevented by corrupt Police Chiefs and Politicians and two, It is a crime for local Law Enforcement not to aid ICE in rounding up Illegals under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996

Just because Alberto “Mecha” Gonzales refuses to enforce the statute, does not make it legal to ignore Illegal Aliens or give them sanctuary.

Enrique Morones should be indicted and prosecuted under section 8, USC 1324a,for aiding and abetting Illegal Immigration instead of being interviewed as a pundit and advocate for violating our laws.

ScottyDog on February 17, 2007 at 5:54 PM

It’s about ILLEGAL ALIENS.

No, it’s about RESPECT

Respect for our Laws
Respect for our boarders
Respect for our SOVREIGNTY!

That lack of respect is what pisses me off the most.

BadBrad on February 17, 2007 at 6:03 PM

“Polices passed by this country” cause Mexicans poverty… Give me a break.
Then why are they coming here?

Wade on February 17, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Great point!

Because Mexico sucks economically (and some say societally as well), these folks come here to raise their standard of living. Unfortunately, they aren’t doing it legally. Ironically, they’d be welcome as citizens. I’d personelly rather have them (and their families) here as fellow citizens instead of economic slaves for corporate interests used for their labor only.

If one thinks about it, our issues aren’t immigration or discrimination – they’re illegal immigration, law breakers, and those who seek to harm us – all of which seems to stem from either profound hatred or lack of respect.

Measures are needed to stem this before it becomes too late again. If you they are here legally, welcome, but if they are not and are not willing to become citizens, then the true answer is deportation.

And. yes, Mexico does routinely deport (or jail) their illegal aliens.

Don’t you think we should, too?

Emmett J. on February 17, 2007 at 7:07 PM

America needs people like Michelle to weigh in on the illegal immigration mess and the Democrats need to have more than just Lou Dobbs discussing it from their side. Yes the problem is illegal and not immigration. Nobody is saying anything about Mexicans, Africans, Europeans etc. that are here legally. We discuss illegal immigration from Mexico because it is the most prevalent country the crime is committed from but all people illegally here, by walking across the border or visa overstay need to leave. If Giuliani, Clinton, McCain, Obama get their way and any form of amnesty is given to criminal aliens already here the problem will only continue and get worse, much worse.

Buzzy on February 18, 2007 at 12:23 AM

ScottyDog’s link to immigration numbers brings up an inconvenient truth for Seńor Morones:


Source % of Immigrant Population
====== =======
Canada 2.2%
Europe 10.0%
E. Asia 17.7%
Sub-Saharan Africa 1.9%
31.8%

Even if we assume that all these people are white, black, or Oriental (or whatever the PC term is these days), the remaining 2/3 of immigrants are from Latin America and ‘Islamic-looking’ areas, precisely who Morones complains about being profiled.

But make no mistake about it; if someone from Sweden is here illegally, then if there’s something he does that leads the cops to ask him to show his ID, and it turns out he’s overstayed his visa, his ass should be handed over to La Migra the same as the Brown People.

This isn’t about race, no matter how hard he tries to make it so.

The Monster on February 18, 2007 at 12:27 AM

naliaka on February 17, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Thank you, and everyone else…..

Time to sound the “Klaxon…”

PinkyBigglesworth on February 18, 2007 at 4:18 AM

Thirdly, Norteños and other Mexicanos do not come to the United States to embrace or adopt Anglo-Saxon culture. In fact, they are the heirs of a much older and pluralistic civilization – Mesoamerican (1500BC – 1521AD), Hispanic Catholic (1521-1821), and Mestizo-Mexicano (1821- ) – which most Mexicanos do not want to surrender. Instead, they cross the border hoping to find opportunities that do not exist in Mexico. They want the benefits of American capitalism, but not Anglo-American culture, which in its Las Vegas-Disneyland-Pop-Media style has very little real depth or quality.Dr. Charles A. Truxillo

This is one of the biggest lies of all time.

Ever hear of Pablo Lockheed? Maybe Felix Gates? No? That’s because theres no equivalent in Mexico or Latin America to Allan Loughead or Bill gates.
Perhaps you’ve heard of Pablo Escobar or Felix Cardenes, most of us have, they represent a very different cultural approach to morality and societal hierarchy, that being the difference between individual morality and the charismatic leader or group morality.
Individual morality goes when ever and where ever the individual goes, the rules of decency always apply.
Group morality only applies within the group, outside the group basically anything goes, just don’t get caught.
Track the rise in Latin culture in America, check the results.

Who is given the privilege to live with us?…we choose and no one else.

BTW does this guy remind anyone else of Homer?

Speakup on February 18, 2007 at 11:38 AM

BTW does this guy remind anyone else of Homer?

Speakup on February 18, 2007 at 11:38 AM

Simpson…Yes!

The thinker…No

brtex on February 18, 2007 at 1:31 PM

You yeah that’s right, there is another Homer LOL.

Speakup on February 18, 2007 at 2:37 PM