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posted at 7:14 pm on February 16, 2007 by see-dubya

The Times of London’s Stephen Farrell is running a pretty good Iraq blog. Here’s a great entry about a discussion with an unnamed Iraqi Shiite, who had lost several family members to Saddam’s brutality. Some Italian reporters (of genus Sgrena, not genus Fallaci) call him on the unprofessional manner of Saddam’s execution:

Seated first right as we went clockwise around the table, the Italian journalist got to ask first question, and it was a zinger.

“Prime Minister, President Bush said the death of Saddam ….looked like revenge, a sectarian revenge. And in Italy the Prime Minister, Mr Prodi, condemned the death penalty and asked you to cancel it. Can you comment on that?’

There was a pursing of Islamist lips, a 15-minute justificatory address in Arabic, all par for the course.

Then the killer coda.

“I would like to remind Prime Minister Prodi about Mussolini and the way Mussolini was dealt with.”

Sniggers from the Americans to the left. Shia imperturbability straight ahead. And I think I even detected a half-muttered ‘ciao.’ It might have been ‘ouch’. Hard to tell.

Due fascistiRevenge?

Prime Minister Prodi, from his comfortable perch in charge of a government that arose out of the violence that liberated Italy from the Fascists, did urge the Iraqis to call it off– but Bob Saget overrode him.

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“Full House” Bob or “Aristocrats” Bob?

bbz123 on February 16, 2007 at 7:18 PM

I guess the Italians were taking no chances with Mussolini the second time around. Skorzeny busted him out of jail the first time.

forest on February 16, 2007 at 7:29 PM

I hear that after they were executed, neither Mussolini nor Saddam entertained any thought of revenge. If not, then it appears a way to avoid or end a “cycle” of violence is to kill most of one’s enemies.

Kralizec on February 16, 2007 at 7:37 PM

‘A dead man cannot bite’…..Pompey

Limerick on February 16, 2007 at 7:39 PM

Capital punishment just needs to be explained in terms the left is comfortable with.

It’s a choice that should between judge and jury.
It’s an exit strategy.
Screw them.

pedestrian on February 16, 2007 at 7:52 PM

It’s a choice that should between judge and jury.

Yeah. Just think of it as an accute post-natal abortion.

Sean M. on February 16, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Why have we as Americans become such weeping pieces of female anatomy?

Less than 100 years ago We used to hang folks for just being horse thieves.

Now it takes killing 130,000 of your own people to get hanged, and that wasn’t even in our country or by our government.

I say hang all convicted murderers and rapists, and child molestors. In the town square.

Jail is expensive rope is cheap.

WastelandMan on February 16, 2007 at 8:02 PM

In Miami, Florida, Giuseppe Zangara attempted to asassinate President Roosevelt. Four people were wounded and the mayor of Chicago, Anton Cermak, was killed. Zangara was tried, found guilty of murder and was executed four days later.

String em up boys.

Alden Pyle on February 16, 2007 at 8:19 PM

Hang ‘em high. Justice should be swift, but thanks to spineless bleedin heart libs it’s anything but, these days.

BTW, off subject, Kudos to See-Dubya on the excellent job filling in. Cheers, Skaal, etc.

mrfixit on February 16, 2007 at 8:27 PM

Served.

JayHaw Phrenzie on February 16, 2007 at 9:09 PM

Hmmmm, has Italy been fascist since dealing with Mussolini?

They musta done something right…

infidel4life on February 17, 2007 at 12:22 AM

Suck it, Prodi. You b****.

urbancenturion on February 17, 2007 at 1:45 AM

I hear that after they were executed, neither Mussolini nor Saddam entertained any thought of revenge. If not, then it appears a way to avoid or end a “cycle” of violence is to kill most of one’s enemies.

Kralizec on February 16, 2007 at 7:37 PM

Now, don’t be hasty. While I’m impressed with the duplicability of results, more experimentation is necessary to prove your hypothesis. Look, a mullah!!

HerrMorgenholz on February 17, 2007 at 5:06 AM

I thought a mob got hold of Mussolini and his mistress and strung them up. In this case it was supposed to be under the auspices of the Iraqi government. Oh wait, I stand corrected, mobs in both cases.

honora on February 17, 2007 at 9:48 AM

Why have we as Americans become such weeping pieces of female anatomy?

Less than 100 years ago We used to hang folks for just being horse thieves.

Now it takes killing 130,000 of your own people to get hanged, and that wasn’t even in our country or by our government.

I say hang all convicted murderers and rapists, and child molestors. In the town square.

Jail is expensive rope is cheap.

WastelandMan on February 16, 2007 at 8:02 PM

Who says we don’t share the same values as Muslims? We are just about the only non-Muslim country that still retains capital punishment.

honora on February 17, 2007 at 9:53 AM

I thought a mob got hold of Mussolini and his mistress and strung them up. In this case it was supposed to be under the auspices of the Iraqi government. Oh wait, I stand corrected, mobs in both cases.

honora on February 17, 2007 at 9:48 AM

And Honora just gives the (purple) finger to the Iraqis….

ScottG on February 17, 2007 at 10:42 AM

And Honora just gives the (purple) finger to the Iraqis….

ScottG on February 17, 2007 at 10:42 AM

These particular Iraqis? For this particular action? Absolutely.

honora on February 17, 2007 at 12:01 PM

Oh wait, I stand corrected, mobs in both cases.

Honora, Saddam wasn’t hung in public and his body wasn’t put out for public display like in Italy. This wasn’t a mob style of execution. If you want to see examples mob justice, look to France after their revolution.

RedinBlueCounty on February 17, 2007 at 7:48 PM

Who says we don’t share the same values as Muslims? We are just about the only non-Muslim country that still retains capital punishment.

honora on February 17, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Even the Muslims get it right sometimes.

Maxx on February 17, 2007 at 8:01 PM

We are just about the only non-Muslim country that still retains capital punishment.

How do you come by that conclusion, wishful thinking?

Most of Asia, including Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and China, have laws that permit the use of capital punishment. India also has capital punishment. None of the above countries could be considered Muslim countries.

Look at capital punishment world wide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Death_Penalty_World_Map.png

Here’s some figures:

Abolished for all offenses (88)
Abolished for all offenses except under special circumstances (11)
Retains, though not used for at least 10 years (30)
Retains death penalty (68)*
*Note that, while laws vary between U.S. states, it is considered retentionist as the federal death penalty is still in active use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment

119 countries have laws providing for capital punishment. 88 have abolished it completely.

Here’s a country by country listing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_nation

Face it honora, most of the world still has laws providing for capital punishment and those countries which ‘retain’ capital punishment are very diverse across religious and political lines when taken in total.

RedinBlueCounty on February 17, 2007 at 8:39 PM

opps, that should be 109 countries, not 119. Me bad.

RedinBlueCounty on February 17, 2007 at 8:46 PM

Oh wait, I stand corrected, mobs in both cases.

How long did the trial take? How many attorney’s did Saddam have? How much media coverage was there? Oh, wait, that’s right, honora wasn’t invited and doesn’t approve so it is a mob. Sometimes it is easy to understand their love of tyranny.

B Moe on February 18, 2007 at 7:34 AM