Audio: “I hate gay people”
posted at 10:27 am on February 15, 2007 by Allahpundit
Barnett e-mails to say he’s on official Sullivan heart-ache watch. With good reason, but you can’t knock Sully for objecting to this; it’s ugly stuff and shocking to hear how casual Hardaway is in admitting to his prejudice. People wondered, rightly, how that crack about hanging someone upside down with a fork in him seemed to come so easily to Michael Richards’s lips. The same might be asked of TH vis-a-vis his nonchalance.
And it will be asked, although not too insistently. Hardaway may be a homophobe but he’s a minority homophobe, so his moral authority at this point is highly “nuanced.” On the other hand, Isaiah Washington’s moral authority didn’t shield him from mandatory deprogramming when he dropped the (other) F-bomb. The question is whether the double standard Ace writes about is diminishing or whether blacks have simply slipped a bit in the hierarchy of persecuted groups and Washington/Hardaway made the mistake of hating on people above them in the totem pole.
Note: the clip has been slightly edited.
He’s already apologized, although I’ll leave you to wonder whether that has to do with the NBA allegedly having suspended him from league events.
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This from a guy who made his living running up and down a court, dribbling in little shorts.
right2bright on February 15, 2007 at 10:31 AM
C’mon, they haven’t worn “little shorts” in the NBA in 20 years. Darnit.
Radish on February 15, 2007 at 10:43 AM
Just to play devil’s advocate here , I still have heard no complaints about the extreme ” breeders go to hell” rhetoric that is reguarly espoused by the radical gay movement types. TH has taken what many deem an indefensible position here, but where on this line of “comfort” do most people stand?
bbz123 on February 15, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Score one more for the homosexual thought police and grievance pimps.
spmat on February 15, 2007 at 10:47 AM
I rather imagine Mr. Hardaway doesn’t count on much more endorsement money, in this lifetime anyway…
major john on February 15, 2007 at 10:48 AM
If he had been more articulate this would’ve been interesting to watch. i.e. not saying “I hate gay people”…maybe had he said “i hate gayness its a sin”?
insert Apostle Paul verse from Romans here…
jp on February 15, 2007 at 10:49 AM
I didn’t know Hardaway was a Republican!
Jim Treacher on February 15, 2007 at 10:56 AM
I don’t really see the problem. The gays say they hate Christians, Republicans etc. They are protected in their hate speech by the first amendment. This guy says he hates gays and that is a crime? How? It’s just his opinion. His opinion is no more valid or less protected than any other hater.
Guardian on February 15, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Always hated Hardaway on the court, being a Knicks fan.
I heard his little rant and subsequent apology, which is a bit late.
I also heard Amaechi on ESPN radio this morning. He sneered at those who profess “tolerance” for gays. Amaechi sounded like a standup guy.
JammieWearingFool on February 15, 2007 at 11:01 AM
This is in no way defensible. Absolute bigotry.
SouthernDem on February 15, 2007 at 11:01 AM
What he said may be offensive to some people, and he may suffer some consequences as a result … but the 1st amendment has no qualifiers that says speech must be nice and not offensive. He spoke his mind … it’s the first step in reversing the disease of political correctness.
People will always have dislikes and hate one group or another or this individual or that individual. Keeping that bottled up for the sake of PC probably does more harm than good in the long run.
darwin on February 15, 2007 at 11:03 AM
BTW, if you are looking for the Amaechi interview, it was on around 7:20 am this morning with Mike Greenberg; I’m sure it’ll be replayed on TV or could be found on the ESPN site.
JammieWearingFool on February 15, 2007 at 11:03 AM
SouthernDem, only by him actually voicing his opinion can he actually begin to have discussions and change his mind. Stifling speech will serve no purpose but to keep his hatred in the dark.
darwin on February 15, 2007 at 11:05 AM
wow. so is that a reliable translation? if i hear someone saying a bunch of churchy bs about loving the sinner, i can read it as “i hate gay people”?
jummy on February 15, 2007 at 11:08 AM
He can say whatever he wants. Who cares what he thinks. Has he committed some kind of thoughtcrime?
PRCalDude on February 15, 2007 at 11:10 AM
Sorry, but this is impossible. Clearly, Mr. Hardaway is a member of a racial minority group. According to the liberals, he is therefore immune from bigotry. Can’t you follow the simple logic of their arguments? You are going to have to do better than that if you want us to accept you as a Southern Democrat.
/sarcasm off
CyberCipher on February 15, 2007 at 11:12 AM
What about that Isaiah Washington guy that got hammered by Hollyweird for calling his fellow actor “faggot”? He’s black.
darwin on February 15, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Exactly. Why do we keep asking famous people stupid questions?
Is he famous for being a nice guy? No. He’s famous for whatever he does on the court. So ask him about that and leave the rest of it out. I’m sick of all the attention celebrities get. It’s pathetic.
Esthier on February 15, 2007 at 11:17 AM
We should all be able to decide who we like and dislike. Apparently, Mr. H dislikes gays and being around them. One can hardly blame him for not wanting to share a locker room with a gay man. How is that different from having to share your locker room with a female? Sure, she might be married and not interested in you per say — but would your wife appreciate her being in there with you — shower and all?
I have problems with gym teachers who are gay. I don’t care about that load of crap that they are not “interested” in or “attracted” to my child. How is it different from a happily married man being able to have access to my daughter’s locker room? It simply is not appropriate.
wytammic on February 15, 2007 at 11:17 AM
you often hear, “hate the sin not the sinner” from Christians is my point.
homosexuality is taught as wrong all throughout the Bible, God had the Soddomites killed and in Romans the Apostle Paul talks about it and how unatural it is. also, many other places. Its just got so un-pc to even discuss.
I would think common sense would tell you it is wrong. “Go forth and multiply”, many people are not reproducing at the replacement rate of 2.11 children and in the age of the pay as you go welfare state do the math. Civilizational suicide.
jp on February 15, 2007 at 11:19 AM
This is the biggest non-event of the morning.
PRCalDude on February 15, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Just exactly like the liberal democrats love to place their own limits on the 2nd Amendment, they have been attempting to place THEIR limits on the 1st through political correctness. When that eventually fails and they are in power, we can probably all expect to have to register our mouths if we plan to speak freely in public, get a special permit to speak in private or whisper, and eventually they will determine that the 1st Amendment REALLY only applies to talking about anything except religion or conservative politics and try to ban the talking of anything else…
NRA4Freedom on February 15, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Interesting that one protected class has such disdain for another protected class.Once agin demonstrates that you have to keep your opinions about “others” to yourself but it’s open season on WASP’s. Folks, get a life! You cannot legislate people’s feelings , even if they disgust you.
Chief1942 on February 15, 2007 at 11:25 AM
He just prefers zone defense to man-to-man.
mymanpotsandpans on February 15, 2007 at 11:29 AM
He has the right to say what he wants.
Everyone else has the right to ridicule him as a bigot.
Let’s face it, if Hardaway doesn’t say something really stupid, he’s not going to be quoted in the mass media. This is a non-event.
doufree on February 15, 2007 at 11:32 AM
I hate Jihadi.
infidel on February 15, 2007 at 11:35 AM
I don’t like it when anyone says they hate anyone else. I like “nice”. But I am becoming worried about this “thought police” thing. It’s beyond ridiculous when there is pressure on someone to publically apologize for what he obviously feels. We have a right to be jerks, don’t we? Because if we start punishing jerks, then most of the people on the net will be feeling the pain.
No where is “hate filled” speech more obvious than on the left wing blogs. We just had a woman who spewed more vile and hate than anything this basketball player could say in his lifetime,and she was hired (and re-hired) by a Presidential campaign! (she has now quit)
For years she spewed anti-Catholic bigotry and no one seemed to care. I didn’t like it, but she is free to say what she thinks. That’s the thing with freedom, it goes both ways.
Rightwingsparkle on February 15, 2007 at 11:37 AM
I would assume we will hear about the homosexual heterophobes who are probably also religoiusophobes and normalbehaviorophobes.
What the hell does “homophobe” mean anyway? Who came up with this…
benrand on February 15, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Being gay means that you’re attracted to people of your same sex. Pardon me for saying so, but I wouldn’t want a gay man seeing me dress/shower in the locker room either. That’s like letting a man watch the cheerleaders shower.
As for the “I hate gay people” comment, all I can say is, “That was stupid.”
Matticus Finch on February 15, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Replace all references to “gay” in his little diatribe with “right-wing Christians”, and he could probably retire on his endorsements. As others have said here, why is it accepted for people like the mad marcotte to spout venom, but if someone says , that’s fine?
dalewalt on February 15, 2007 at 11:47 AM
blockquote>I don’t really see the problem. The gays say they hate Christians, Republicans etc. They are protected in their hate speech by the first amendment. This guy says he hates gays and that is a crime? How? It’s just his opinion. His opinion is no more valid or less protected than any other hater.
Guardian on February 15, 2007 at 11:00 AM
I see this type of comment almost every time someone says something offensive or derogatory and ends up in the news and it is completely ridiculous. This has nothing to do with free speech…absolutely nothing! Was Hardaway arrested? Was he fined or jailed by the government, state, local, or federal? No, of course not and thus he exercised free speech exactly as the Constitution intended. The first amendment means it is not a crime to speak your mind; that you can not be arrested for voicing your opinions however horrible they might be…that’s all…nothing more, nothing less.
The fact that individuals and organizations have attacked Hardway and demanded an apology has nothing to do with the Constitution. Free speech is not freedom from being attacked, mocked, or ridiculed for what you say—it’s freedom from being arrested. Everyone who attacked Hardaway is simply exercising their own first amendment rights; the NBA banning him from events is simply a private organization exercising its rights. It’s not a crime, it’s not a thought crime, and no one is claiming it is. It’s just a bigot making bigoted comments and thus suffering the repercussions, which in this case include being mocked and ostracized.
JaHerer22 on February 15, 2007 at 11:48 AM
He has the right to say what he wants.
Very true. People can say what they want, but they should also realize that there may be some criticism directed at what is said (something the Dixie Chicks don’t realize).
Rick on February 15, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Why is it every time someone doesn’t like something or someone, it’s called bigotry. I think that word is the current buzz word for PC.
jatfla on February 15, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Not many of us have jobs where we stand naked around our co-workers after each night’s work.
The idea of bathing facilities being separated by gender was to prevent people from being around someone who might ogle them while they are cleaning themselves.
Now that courts have outlawed state’s ability to enforce good morals things are being turned on their head.
I don’t agree with his use of the term “hate” regarding gay people, but I respect his position of not wanting to have to work with someone who might pat him on the butt with intentions beyond sportsmanship. Because his job involves more physical contact than most and the aspect of showering after games with teammates.
This is not similar to the Richards incident, because action is required to be gay, involving who someone decides to become intimate with. Unlike being born a certain race.
IndependentConserv on February 15, 2007 at 11:54 AM
I hate puppies.
infidel on February 15, 2007 at 11:55 AM
blockquote>Why is it every time someone doesn’t like something or someone, it’s called bigotry. I think that word is the current buzz word for PC.
jatfla on February 15, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Bigot:a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance
I would say Hardaway and his comments fit this definition pretty aptly.
JaHerer22 on February 15, 2007 at 11:57 AM
why aren’t we comparing this to the media’s lack of interest in John Edwards bigoted bloggers?
jp on February 15, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Who cares what he has to say. For that matter we all have the right to dislike other people as long as we treat them as people. By the way when was the last time we heard of a class being taught with the theme, “respect hetersexuals”?
Give the Richard’s thing a rest. The man was being verbally assault by racist blacks in the audience. Where is the condemnation of those bigots?
Crickets.
Timber Wolf on February 15, 2007 at 11:59 AM
Apparently you don’t understand the trajectory of our culture and legal system. Incrementalism is the key here. Once you make the public believe that people like Hardaway shouldn’t be allowed to say things like “I hate gay people,” it’s easy to make it a law. That’s why we have hate crime legislation. It’s only another small step to make it a crime for people to say anything critical about homosexuals, or Muslims, or any other protected minority.
PRCalDude on February 15, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Richards was not being verbally assaulted by the men in the audience. Richards thought they were trying to chatter, when they were being asked to order drinks and he verbally assaulted them personally first. They responded to his verbal assaults.
IndependentConserv on February 15, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Time for a thought experiment. If I was to say (hypothetically speaking, of course) that
1) I HATE liberals.
2) I don’t want liberals in my political party (on my team),
3) If liberals ARE “on my team”, they should find their way out of my political party,
4) I don’t want to be around liberals, or interact with them in any way.
5) I believe that liberals are either retards or some other type of unnatural freaks of nature.
6) I have an innate, unreasoning, and overwhelming fear of liberals and their agendas — a phobia regarding liberals (if you like).
THEN…Does that make me a bigot? Or does that just make me staunch conservative?
(Don’t look at me. Just asking a simple question here. That’s all.)
CyberCipher on February 15, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Ah, but now we’ve successfully changed the definitions of ‘intolerance’ and ‘hatred.’ ‘Criticism’ = ‘hate’. ‘Disagreement’ = ‘intolerance.’ ‘Biblical values’ = ‘bigotry.’
PRCalDude on February 15, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Have you considered the possibility that the puppies just might love you in spite of your hatred for them?
CyberCipher on February 15, 2007 at 12:11 PM
No, but that isn’t far away.
Freedom from intolerance. Now that’s what the Constitution is all about, lemme tell ya.
spmat on February 15, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Why cant a man hate another man?
Why cant I offend another man?
Where are these rules? They must be handed out at private schools.
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 12:23 PM
How come gays are never refferred to as being hetrophobes? (or whatever nonesence word that fits.)
ekuspa40 on February 15, 2007 at 12:26 PM
I say – Hardaway for President.
Enough apologizing already. Unless you offended a specific kid under 13 years old, no more apologizing. Take it like a man.
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Ah, but now we’ve successfully changed the definitions of ‘intolerance’ and ‘hatred.’ ‘Criticism’ = ‘hate’. ‘Disagreement’ = ‘intolerance.’ ‘Biblical values’ = ‘bigotry.’
PRCalDude on February 15, 2007 at 12:04
Absolutely correct. We have become conditioned to believe the above thereby taking away a person’s freedom to disagree, not tolerate, or have a Biblical worldview. Such people will NOT be tolerated.
I don’t know who this guy is and I don’t watch basketball and in this day & age, he’s not very *wise* to make those kinds of statements. But a person is entitled to their opinions; even if they are not shared by others.
jatfla on February 15, 2007 at 12:33 PM
How could he have been more articulate than “I hate gay people”?
B Moe on February 15, 2007 at 12:36 PM
allahpundit, your take on this is disgraceful.
I hate allahpundit. Take that:)
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Articulate like
Osamaer, I mean Obama. You would NEVER hear BO say something like THAT (in that way). Oops! Sorry. I forgot that we can’t make references to the acuity of BO’s verbal skills. It’s RAAACCCCIIISSSSTTTTT!!!!CyberCipher on February 15, 2007 at 12:41 PM
that last bit was just kinda stupid, but he has a point about being in a locker room with someone who finds you sexually attractive.
Think about it: how many women would be outraged if a man was let on their team and the guy was allowed in the locker room while they’re changing or showering?
The gay dynamic in sports and the military complicates things a lot more than people would lead you to believe. Gay men make a lot of straight guys uncomfortable esp when they’re … ummm… naked?
Call me a homophobe but the fact remains that a lot of straight men won’t say it in public but often in private situations when the subject comes up admit that homosexual men make them very uncomfortable in certain situations.
Women don’t have to deal with this as our society has put up a segregation between men and women where certain situations are concerned (going to the bathroom, showering, changing, etc) why should straight men have to put up with it?
One Angry Christian on February 15, 2007 at 12:47 PM
First, I refuse to debate your first point, it’s a “slippery slope” argument, which I refuse to jump into. Slippery slope is fallacy, not an argument,
Second, did you listen to the audio or read the transcript? What part of “I hate gays” is criticism? It seems you’ve changed the definition of criticism. If he said, “I hate the way gays always appear so well put together and always seem do polite and friendly,” that would be criticism. I hate gays, not so much.
JaHerer22 on February 15, 2007 at 12:48 PM
JaHerer22, why cant a man hate someone?
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 12:52 PM
JaHerer22, you apparently missed the analogy, and don’t see political correctness for what it is.
NRA4Freedom on February 15, 2007 at 1:01 PM
JaHerer, what’s your point? If you disagree with Hardaway’s comments, then say so. However, it seems that you are arguing about something more here. The guy said he “hates gay people” – if you think he’s a bigot, fine – what else do you want? For there to be a law against him saying that?
Rick on February 15, 2007 at 1:03 PM
If you’re using ‘bigot’ in the classic sense of the term, then Hardaway is a bigot. But who cares what he thinks and why the outrage? If you’re using the term in the modern sense, I’m a bigot and so is everyone else who disagrees with political correctness or holds to a biblical worldview. He was using the term ‘hate’ in the sense that he didn’t want to be around them and didn’t like them, if we’re going to be true to the context of his before and after statements.
PRCalDude on February 15, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Bigot:a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance
Seems that definition fits the majority in this world. Just that some don’t hide behind some artificial PC standard and say what is really on their mind. Those that choose to conceal their bigotry are simply social cowards.
I maight not have the same views as Hardaway, but certainly will stand behind his right to express them, regardless of who is offended by it.Same goes for Ms. Marcotte.
Chief1942 on February 15, 2007 at 1:13 PM
Certainly he has the right. Just as his team owners and NBA sponsors have the right to demand he apologize or face the consequences.
honora on February 15, 2007 at 1:16 PM
The next thing you know we’ll be hearing people say “I hate George Bush”.
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 1:16 PM
honora, he no longer plays in the NBA.
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Siding with corporate America on this?
Actually, Tim Hardaway is currently not on any NBA team.
Rick on February 15, 2007 at 1:21 PM
But he was scheduled to be at their “All Star Weekend.” The NBA has since removed him from the schedule, as is their right.
Slublog on February 15, 2007 at 1:21 PM
This deserves repeating. Great point!
ekuspa40 on February 15, 2007 at 1:27 PM
Cant wait for the following news item:
Hardaway Vindicated with 5 Grammy Awards
After years of criticism, instead of ignoring the controversy, Hardaway embraced it. And he was rewarded.
He had been banned by gay TV (all channels except the History Channel) and had even received death threats from some scary looking dudes in pink tights.
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 1:28 PM
I guess I am, and maybe being a tad bit disingenuous–after all you guys are the ones who worship at the altar of “letting the market decide”.
I don’t keep up on the NBA, obviously. When you practically have to lean down to put the ball in the net, how is this a sport?
honora on February 15, 2007 at 1:30 PM
Agreed. What concerns me about this though is what are they using as the criteria for this form of punishment? Is it across the board? Is all hate speech included or is it just hate speech against certain groups? How far are they willing to take this? Can black teammates refer to each other as “nigga” or are they going to say that if all can’t say it, none can say it.
I would love to be able to find Hardawqay’s reaction to John Rocker
Pam on February 15, 2007 at 1:31 PM
George Bush is GAY??? I had no idea.
honora on February 15, 2007 at 1:31 PM
Well, it’s up to them, isn’t it? By “them” meaning the NBA and sponsors.
honora on February 15, 2007 at 1:32 PM
Well, it is to a certaqin degree, but if the employer is not treating employees equally, a court can and will step in. Even the NBA is bound by labor laws.
Pam on February 15, 2007 at 1:35 PM
It might be interesting to hear from some “former” gays like Ted Haggard and F Rottle regarding Hardaway’s rant.
there it is on February 15, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Rocker and Hardaway didn’t have the same employer.
Slublog on February 15, 2007 at 1:38 PM
I like what and how Ace wrote about the topic.
How could you? Make me like you again, please.
Entelechy on February 15, 2007 at 1:41 PM
Entelechy, are you saying you hate infidel? (unless he apologizes)
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 1:48 PM
I apologize if I offended anyone. Clearly a puppy is born a puppy and has no choice in the matter. Same with a Jihadi. I retract my previous statements.
infidel on February 15, 2007 at 1:52 PM
honora,
I agree, but I question the double standard. Why is one bigotry punished and another not?
I just don’t think that being “the thought police” is ever going to change people’s hearts.
This guy is a basketball player. That’s it. He isn’t a leader, he isn’t in office. He isn’t important in any sense of the word.
Rightwingsparkle on February 15, 2007 at 1:58 PM
Why is anyone arguing with this against JaHerer22?
This is exactly what people here say about the Dixie Chicks.
His comments are technically bigotted comments. Christians who believe that homosexuality is wrong do not have homosexuals themselves. If they do, then they are bigots, like Phelps and his crew.
Esthier on February 15, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Hello!! Have you been watching the news lately? Anna Nicole 24/7, daily updates on the various adoption antics of Madonna, Bradgelina et al.
Welcome to our world. Fame is all. Sigh.
honora on February 15, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Slublog, the fact that Rocker and Hardaway had different employers is irrelevant.
Pam on February 15, 2007 at 2:15 PM
Not if your point was equal treatment under employment law. The NBA is under no legal obligation to treat its players or representatives in the same manner as MBL.
Slublog on February 15, 2007 at 2:18 PM
Well, my point was that if the NBA is going to make a rule,no hate speech, it needs to be uniform for all groups that are attacked, within the league.
I then stated that I would love to know how Hardaway reacted to Rocker..Rocker made some pretty offensive comments about a whole bunch of people, one being blacks. Did Hardaway find that offensive?
Pam on February 15, 2007 at 2:26 PM
W.T.F.
“Hate” was probably the wrong word, and probably is not what he really feels, not to speak for him. But the queer thought police are not to be ignored, and you must pay penance now, Tim.
So, I wonder why racism is ok for Obama and his “spiritual advisor”, but public objection to homosexual behavior is so far beyond the pale?
I know you “got skills”, Tim, and getting right should be no problem for you. Always liked him; tough player.
Jaibones on February 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Why does that matter?
Esthier on February 15, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Tim Hardaway “hates” gays. So? This is not important to me. He expressed his views and paid the price. End of story. Is this not how it should work?
What interests me is how far is the NBA willing to go on the issue of gays in the locker rooom? The NBA (and advertisers) has already, though very subtly, addresssed some of the issues affecting the NBA’s popularity. Will they be willing to actively, or even tacitly, endorse players coming out? One gay, two, I say yes. Every team in the league having one or two gay players would definitely hurt the league. A stigma of being a “gay” sports league could last for a very long time. It will be interesting to see it play out.
Theworldisnotenough on February 15, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Christians who believe that homosexuality is wrong do not [hate] homosexuals themselves.
Esthier on February 15, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Agreed. For a relevant analogy, I have a relative who has given birth out of wedlock. If I say that this is a sin, does that mean that I “hate” her? (And before someone says it, in the Christian view, having an abortion would be compounding things: the cover-up, as it were.)
As for the Hardaway incident it is perfectly put into perspective here (the Michael Richards and the Dixie Chicks incidents apply here also):
Everyone who attacked Hardaway is simply exercising their own first amendment rights; the NBA banning him from events is simply a private organization exercising its rights. It’s not a crime, it’s not a thought crime, and no one is claiming it is. It’s just a bigot making bigoted comments and thus suffering the repercussions, which in this case include being mocked and ostracized.
JaHerer22 on February 15, 2007 at 11:48 AM
baldilocks on February 15, 2007 at 2:31 PM
baldilocks, thanks for correcting me. It should read “hate” not “have.”
Esthier on February 15, 2007 at 2:36 PM
He attacks a group of people that he claims to hate..Rocker makes hateful comments about blacks, does Hardaway take offense to Rocker expressing his feelings.
Pam on February 15, 2007 at 2:42 PM
Yeah, I got what you meant. It did not go over my head.
Again, why does that matter?
Esthier on February 15, 2007 at 2:45 PM
I couldn’t care less about what he said, but does anyone remember John Rocker and what happened to him? Does anyone think Hardaway will be booed everywhere he goes and have his career ended in a year or two? Of course not. Everyone knows if that happened he would cry racism and the media, especially the weak, subserviant jock-sniffers at ESPN and SI, would back him up completely. There will be a token slap on the wrist and all will be forgotten.
forged rite on February 15, 2007 at 2:46 PM
No, I don’t hate anyone on HA, not even the trolls. They provide great opportinities for debate.
Also, infidel didn’t have to apologize for anything, at least not to me. I like puppies, kittens and everything in the animal world which shouldn’t be mistreated by us. No, I’m not a PETA freak and I’m not a vegetarian either. Also, I’ve worked in the medical field for years, where animals were used for cardiology device tests.
But, infidel, you can/should hate Jihadis, and shouldn’t compare them with puppies. Regards,
Entelechy on February 15, 2007 at 2:47 PM
Esthier, why can’t someone hate someone else?
Where are these rules?
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 2:51 PM
Do gays hate Christians and Muslims since gays openly defy their beliefs?
faraway on February 15, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Esthier, I guess I could take the question to a new level and ask why it matters how any of us feel about this.
Pam on February 15, 2007 at 2:56 PM
Does this mean the WNBA is going to have to recruit some heteros?
TugboatPhil on February 15, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Slippery slope is an application of induction. If induction is a fallacy, then you need to go burn all your science textbooks.
Go back to Ph101, please.
spmat on February 15, 2007 at 3:23 PM
Sad and disappointed that there are many on this board willing to give Hardaway a pass with what he said.
Maybe some of you are anti-gay, but that doesn’t justify Hardaway’s “hate speech.”
Indeed, what is ironic is that Hardaway, a black man, has probably been subjected to racist comments and discrimination throughout his life, and probably also would be upset if Dirk Nowitzki made those comments about black basketball players.
Certainly Hardaway is allowed to say whatever he wants. That’s not the point (or certainly not my point). He should just be prepared for the consequences of what he says, just like The Dixie Chicks (thank you someone above who gave that great example).
asc85 on February 15, 2007 at 3:32 PM
And I’m certain that you believe that the Bible is “hate speech” also…
NRA4Freedom on February 15, 2007 at 3:36 PM
Sorry that you were able to find a link between my comments about Tim Hardaway and thinking I perceive the Bible as “hate speech.”
Absolutely breathtaking.
asc85 on February 15, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Poor Timmy, guess he’ll have to console himself with his mansion and his millions of dollars.
forged rite on February 15, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Quote of the day.
Griz on February 15, 2007 at 3:46 PM
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