First of all, you make it seem like it is illogical to have an opinion on all of these issues which is completely unjustified. Can you explain your logic there?

You need to take a reading comprehension course. How does the following statement I made “make it seem like it is illogical to have an opinion on all issues” …..

But heh, if you want to factor them into your choice, it’s a free country.

Now, just so you know, that little diddy means we live in a country where everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Debate and disagreement aren’t harmful, they are often helpful and should be encouraged. That’s what this site is all about. But if you’re going to enter the arena, it’s best to bring some arguments that will hold up under scrutiny.

Secondly, while I’m sure that abortion does not pose a threat to you since you have already been born, does that truly excuse cruelly murdering unborn children – simply because they are not related to you? You may feel that taking every issue – whether it be relating to national security, social or fiscal issues – makes no sense, but I guess I’m not seeing where the missing link is. My bad, it would seem I can’t comprehend your level of self-centered idiocy.

You really are thick-headed. Nowhere in my post did I say I was pro-life or pro-choice when it comes to abortion. If you must know my personal preference, I am pro-life, but that had nothing to do with my original post. My post had to do with priorities, specifically which priorities I put at the top of the list when evaluating a presidential candidate who must lead and protect us against those who would destroy us and our civilization.

Now when a terrorist or illegal immigrant comes knocking on your front door and sticks a gun in your face, you can try to convince him not to kill you or your family by saying, “Wait a minute, don’t you know I’m anti-abortion, or pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage”, and see how that works out for ya with Mr. Compassionate Terrorist Guy.

Me, I don’t want to ever face that dilemma. That’s why social moral issues like abortion and gay rights will not be at the top of my priorities in the next presidential election – they won’t be on my list at all. Guess what, I have every right to do that, regardless of what you think. I am not only pro-life when it comes to abortion, I am pro-life when it comes to me. Can you comprehend that?

It appears to me that you are the one who has a problem with other people expressing their opinions. Next time before you post, take a minute to collect your thoughts and decide if what you intend to say makes any sense whatsoever.

Now who’s the idiot?

Knowing where a candidate stands on defending our country, securing our borders, fighting terrorism and stifling nuclear proliferation will give me an indication of their worldview. Whether they are for or against abortion or gay marriage will never enter into the equation for me. My survival, and the safety and prosperity of my children, is not threatened by abortion or homosexuality.

First of all, you make it seem like it is illogical to have an opinion on all of these issues which is completely unjustified. Can you explain your logic there?

Secondly, while I’m sure that abortion does not pose a threat to you since you have already been born, does that truly excuse cruelly murdering unborn children – simply because they are not related to you? You may feel that taking every issue – whether it be relating to national security, social or fiscal issues – makes no sense, but I guess I’m not seeing where the missing link is. My bad, it would seem I can’t comprehend your level of self-centered idiocy.

Maybe because people realize far-right conservatives can’t win.

Did you ever hear of Ronald Reagan ?

An open question to everybody expressing this sentiment, is there someone in this race I am missing? Because I am not seeing any Reagans out there right now.

These are two great moral issues of the day fogw, knowing where a candidate stands on these issues give you a clear indication of their worldview.

Maxx on February 12, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Knowing where a candidate stands on defending our country, securing our borders, fighting terrorism and stifling nuclear proliferation will give me an indication of their worldview. Whether they are for or against abortion or gay marriage will never enter into the equation for me. My survival, and the safety and prosperity of my children, is not threatened by abortion or homosexuality.

But heh, if you want to factor them into your choice, it’s a free country. Good luck with that.

It sickens me to think rational people in this day and age would base their presidential choice on a candidate’s position on abortion or gay marriage ……

fogw on February 12, 2007 at 10:57 AM

These are two great moral issues of the day fogw, knowing where a candidate stands on these issues give you a clear indication of their worldview.

Maybe because people realize far-right conservatives can’t win.

Ian on February 12, 2007 at 12:32 AM

Did you ever hear of Ronald Reagan ?

Anti-terror? Terror was hardly on the landscape back in the 80s,

Except for the Iranian hostage crisis under Carter, and the Israeli Olympic hostages before that. Plus a number of rebel ‘armies’ in some Central and South American nations.

The face of the terrorist have changed from time to time, but terrorism was a problem in the 80s. The fact the Media did such a good job of spinning it explains a lot about of our ignorance of terrorism, both then and now.

I have a hunch that a lunch btw. fogw and honora w/b a riot :)

honora, on a serious note, your analysis of RR was excellent. Also, today you finally came through with a critical statement on both extremes. For that, thank you!

Loosen the tinfoil “account suspended”-conspiracy theorists. The poll now says that they are having a recurring server error and they are working to get the problem fixed.

But it is obviously Bush’s fault.

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Hey, lighten up, I said it half jokingly…or at least one third jokingly.

Do you carry your lunch or drive to work?

honora on February 12, 2007 at 11:56 AM

Do you wear your tin foil hat or bathe in kool aid?

But it is obviously Bush’s fault.

I get the same thing. Maybe they just don’t like our choices. Something about “blogs for bush” came up and if the poll is being done by Bush people, I know they wouldn’t like my choices since Tancredo and Duncan are the only two I marked as acceptable.

It’s a conspiracy!!!

Tradition, huh? Like marriage between a man and a woman?

fogw on February 12, 2007 at 11:16 AM

Do you carry your lunch or drive to work?

Still not getting anything on this poll, “account suspended”. Anyone know where I can go to get results?

Jaibones on February 12, 2007 at 11:13 AM

I get the same thing. Maybe they just don’t like our choices. Something about “blogs for bush” came up and if the poll is being done by Bush people, I know they wouldn’t like my choices since Tancredo and Duncan are the only two I marked as acceptable.

Savage is not “right wing”, he’s just a nutbag. He’s not a conservative. He is a self-promoting, bomb throwing, narcissistic book seller, and a fraud.

He is currently donating money to the campaign of Jerry Brown for Attorney General.

Savage is a populist nothing.

Tradition, huh? Like marriage between a man and a woman?

fogw on February 12, 2007 at 11:16 AM

* golf clap *

I’m not sure how to categorize Bush–neocon with lack of fiscal restraint and a lot of theo-con rhetoric?

I’d buy that. I’ve always thought of neocons as liberal socialists in disguise… From what I can see, Con is to Neocon what Sand is to Sandwich. But then you get Bush who’ll throw (ostensibly) social conservativism into the mix for a strange cocktail that a lot of people claimed to want, but now discover they don’t like.

In reality though I’d just go with the neocon label for Bush… He talks a big Social-Con game, but if he’s a theocrat then that’s 1 more thing he’s wildly ineffective at. As far as I know kids still can’t pray to Jesus in school and people can get as many abortions as they want.

But there is a tendency for those on the RW to try to twist his legacy into something it was not.

True enough. Reagan has a cult following these days, but it’s not hard to idealize Reagan’s very successful presidency looking back… especially through the unpleasant haze of the Bush years.

Tradition. And someone has to be first, while Iowa and NH are no smarter (or thmarter..) than the rest of us, nor are they any less thmart.

honora on February 12, 2007 at 10:59 AM

Tradition, huh? Like marriage between a man and a woman?

Which is rather a shame as he has a great mind and a creative approach to problems.

honora on February 12, 2007 at 10:45 AM

Definitely time to hop on a flying pig and take my ice skates to that rink in Hades.

Let me throw another question out there. Why should states like Iowa and New Hampshire set the tone for who’s best qualified to be our next president? Why’s that?

Because they’re Thmarter? Are the rest of us cavemen?

fogw on February 12, 2007 at 10:57 AM

Tradition. And someone has to be first, while Iowa and NH are no smarter (or thmarter..) than the rest of us, nor are they any less thmart.