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posted at 11:45 am on February 9, 2007 by Bryan

Who said this:

“I don’t want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas.”

Answer here. And to think, the party this man helps lead once stood for the virtues of hard work. Now he’s ready to destroy our country so that his coddled kid can avoid it.

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there is validity in that statement

Defector01 on February 9, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Amen to Kirkorian’s sentiments.

I love this part:

As Tocqueville wrote: “In the United States professions are more or less laborious, more or less profitable; but they are never either high or low: every honest calling is honorable.” The farther we move from that notion, the closer we come to the idea that the lawyer is somehow better than the parking-lot attendant, undercutting the very foundation of republican government.

Grantman on February 9, 2007 at 11:51 AM

This is one of the main reasons that the Republican Party does not have more support. They are attempting to justify the presence of the illegal alien for economic benfit for corporate and wealthy interests.

So many of the Republican proposals have more to do with benefiting corporte and wealthy interests than the benefit of the nation that they alienate a significant percentage of the electorate. Advocating the presence of the illegal alien at the expense of those who need jobs the most, “reform” of bankruptcy provisions that benefit aggressive lenders that are exempt from usury restrictions, and even limiting unemployment benefits when the funds for that purpose were in excess are just a few of the actions that really alienate the ones that can make a difference in the balance of power in this country.

Pressure for Republicans to drop much of their favoritism for the corporate and wealthy interests would go a long way to providing improved results in the next election.

omegaram on February 9, 2007 at 11:52 AM

Another piece of brilliance from the ruling elite. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Valiant on February 9, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Thanks for nothing, Turd Blossom.

Kid from Brooklyn on February 9, 2007 at 12:01 PM

there is validity in that statement

Defector01 on February 9, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Curious if you said the same thing when Gray Davis said something very similar while he was being recalled? He said something like “someone has to pick the crops” when talking about illegal immigrants.

lorien1973 on February 9, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Actually, I would feel sorry for anyone who has to make beds in Las Vegas. That place is nasty.

bloggless on February 9, 2007 at 12:03 PM

Is he trying to make us angry? Or does it just come naturally for him to insult the things we believe in?

Esthier on February 9, 2007 at 12:03 PM

Sometime in the future ……

“Today children we’ll be studying the origins of the North American Union and it’s founding father George W. Bush”

darwin on February 9, 2007 at 12:05 PM

What an idiot. That is truly obscene. That town needs an enema.

carlitos on February 9, 2007 at 12:05 PM

So just what are the “kids who get left behind” supposed to do for a living? Not everybody goes to college nor should they. There is nothing wrong with “blue collar” jobs and workers.

LakeRuins on February 9, 2007 at 12:07 PM

I don’t want my son or daughter to grow up as a political hatchet person whose sole purpose is the acquisition of personal power and influence in order rule the citizens of the United States rather than govern by their wishes.

austinnelly on February 9, 2007 at 12:19 PM

woa. that’s shinola.

jummy on February 9, 2007 at 12:21 PM

Not everybody goes to college nor should they. There is nothing wrong with “blue collar” jobs and workers.

LakeRuins on February 9, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Darth Rove, himself, dropped out of college.

Rick on February 9, 2007 at 12:24 PM

Awful thing to say….but I get the logic, and I agree.

I think I would have said it differently.

budorob on February 9, 2007 at 12:31 PM

Real parents should approve of any honest profession.

infidel on February 9, 2007 at 12:31 PM

I take a lot of pride in the fact that I’ve worked all kinds of jobs during my life, starting as a dishwasher/busboy all the way through to being an attorney today.

There is no such thing as honest work that is beneath someone.

The immigration debate isn’t as simple as either side may try and portray it, but the bloom is definetly off the “turd blossom”.

Fred on February 9, 2007 at 12:32 PM

There are only two kinds of jobs: You either make sh*t, or you shovel it.
I have done both and so will my kids.
I used to like that Rove guy. Now? Not so much.

harrison on February 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM

So all of you posters want your kid to grow up picking tomatoes and making beds?
It is a low paying unglamorous job. Why should it be anything else. Those are not the jobs to have your kids aspire to.
And the reason Davis was shut down was not because of his crops comment, he was an inept weak gov. (kind of like an underfed Gore).

Hey here is news, I don’t want my kids growing up flipping hamburgers, scaping gum off of benches, being an MSM jounalist, shining shoes, picking through garbage bins for food, washing other peoples dishes…these jobs are un-educated, unskilled people. Not the type of jobs to place on a bedroom poster and every night say “someday you are going to pick grapes for Pelosi’s vineyards”.

And there is nothing wrong with a blue collar job, nothing at all. Don’t confuse entry level or very low skilled jobs with highly skilled, professional blue collar workers like welders, plumbers, excavation, roofers, painters, mechanics, etc.

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Communism is where one has no choice in profession.

infidel on February 9, 2007 at 12:39 PM

I don’t want my kids growing up flipping hamburgers, scaping gum off of benches, being an MSM jounalist, shining shoes, picking through garbage bins for food, washing other peoples dishes…

It does not follow that we need to import a zillion Third World helots to do those jobs.

Lehuster on February 9, 2007 at 12:41 PM

So all of you posters want your kid to grow up picking tomatoes and making beds?

Where you do get that from?

You think by importing labor to do those jobs, then by default everyone else gets better jobs?

What a brilliant observation. Well blow me down, I should hope I get replaced by an illegal immigrant so I would automatically get a better job. Sweet deal!

If a parent doesn’t want their kid to “grow up” to be a tomato picker or maid, then they should make sure the kid grows up in a discplined environment, gets good grades, etc. Not import illegal labor so that “by default”, those jobs are taken.

What nonsense.

BillyRayValentine on February 9, 2007 at 12:45 PM

So all of you posters want your kid to grow up picking tomatoes and making beds?

What rove is saying is that illegals are only good for picking tomatoes and making beds. Is this your view as well?

That view is the problem. Why let them come legally? they are just going to mow lawns, dig ditches and pick crops anyways. Not like they matter.

lorien1973 on February 9, 2007 at 12:45 PM

To me it’s the 17-year-old detail that makes the quote offensive. At 17, the kind of work Rove dismisses is good for you. At 17, you can learn quite a bit about life in almost any job, and the more manual the job the better a teacher it will be. But at 17, Rove apparently (if the quote is accurate, I should add) doesn’t want his kid to work in manual labor at all. If that’s his attitude, it’s to his shame and he’s depriving his son of good real-world experience. Not to mention that he is apparently basing his open borders policies in part on this attitude.

Bryan on February 9, 2007 at 12:47 PM

You know, if you add and subtract a few words here or there, he almost sounds like JF Kerry remarking on the importance of studying hard.

I don’t want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes, make beds in Las Vegas or get stuck carrying a M4 in Iraq.

Snobbery knows no political boundaries, I suppose.

SailorDave on February 9, 2007 at 12:54 PM

Try as I might, I can’t seem to type anything that wouldn’t require the use of a fair shake card in the future.

Maybe I’ll try later.

Dusty on February 9, 2007 at 1:03 PM

I’ll take this one with a little bit of a grain of salt, since it’s hearsay from an anonymous support. But it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

Hey here is news, I don’t want my kids growing up flipping hamburgers, scaping gum off of benches, being an MSM jounalist, shining shoes, picking through garbage bins for food, washing other peoples dishes…these jobs are un-educated, unskilled people. Not the type of jobs to place on a bedroom poster and every night say “someday you are going to pick grapes for Pelosi’s vineyards”.

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Those are great jobs for a teenager for a host of reasons discussed in this thread, the original post, and the post from The Corner it referenced. I washed dishes at a hotel restaraunt as a teenager and I turned out ok.

As Robert Heinlein once said through Lazarus Long (paraphrasing): “Do not burden your children by making their lives easier”.

thirteen28 on February 9, 2007 at 1:06 PM

One of the things I’ve always told my son about working hard in school, compared to many of his peers was “just keep working son, one of these days they’ll be serving you fries”.

I though he understood what was behind those words, until I heard him made a derogatory comment about the manager of a dairy queen a few weeks ago. I stopped him and asked why he said that, and he replied – ‘dad, he’s got to be 30 years old, and he’s still working fast food’.

Needless to say, I flashed back to my earlier ‘words of wisdom’ and endeavored to clarify. I think I made myself clear this time because he seemed to understand and told me that was a good talk. he never does that.

I’ve been agnostic to supportive of Rove ever since he appeared on my radar back when he supposedly initiated the push poll for the South Carolina (I think) primary in 2000 asking voters would they vote for him if he had an illegitimate black baby (or something like that).

My internal argument for his defense was always, “sure, he’s a scoundrel, but he’s our scoundrel”

Rove needs to have a good talking to. If he fails to understand, then he’s just a scoundrel.

moflicky on February 9, 2007 at 1:11 PM

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Sometimes life takes us down a different and unexpected path. Also, different people have different goals and expectations.

Rick on February 9, 2007 at 1:11 PM

Carl Rove must want his sons soul to be lost.
He sounds like a busybodie to me

Thessalonians 3:10-11

10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

abinitioadinfinitum on February 9, 2007 at 1:18 PM

thirteen28 on February 9, 2007 at 1:06 PM

I think most of us are on the same page. I washed dishes at Woolworth’s. As an entry level they exist.
What some are missing in my posts, is the point of stating to a child that this is a goal to aspire to. I say it is not, you think it is a valid goal. You may end up there for various reasons, but it should not be a goal of a parent to say “picking grapes” for thirty years is a great way to make a living.

So here is my question, seeing as some have missed the point. Would you say to your kids…I hope that you spend your life picking tomatoes.

I do agree with the post saying the 17 yr. reference is wrong. I believe he was saying he does not want his 17 yr to think that that is an acceptable life job, that he can do better. And that he is expected to do better.

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Hmmm…at 17 I would have rather been making beds or picking tomatoes than working (after school and weekends) at that vile Ponderosa Steak house….brrrr.

Now, Mr. Rove, care to rephrase that? Dolt.

major john on February 9, 2007 at 1:24 PM

The comment, if Rove made it, (sounds like second-hand information from the article), is troubling for me. But, I think it troubled me in that it comes across as inherently racist, as in, these jobs are well below the American standard, so let’s give them to illegals, who aren’t American, because that’s what they’re good for.

Krikorian got to it when he said:

It would do all that, of course, but most importantly it would change the very nature of our society for the worse, creating whole occupations deemed to be unfit for respectable Americans, for which little brown people have to be imported from abroad. In other words, mass immigration, even now, is moving us toward an unequal, master-servant society.

Rove’s alleged statement smacks of racism and arrogance. Two things that really get under my skin.

nailinmyeye on February 9, 2007 at 1:27 PM

WTF is in the DC water?

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Mazztek on February 9, 2007 at 1:37 PM

I cut grass for money as kid and did various department store jobs until I finished high school and joined the Navy.

All those jobs it seems are “unworthy” to many Washington elites, both Democrat and Republican.

Yakko77 on February 9, 2007 at 1:38 PM

So here is my question, seeing as some have missed the point. Would you say to your kids…I hope that you spend your life picking tomatoes.

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Me personally, no. However, that doesn’t mean somebody else might. The guy scraping gum off the floor may see the tomato picking job as a step up, and may encourage his kids to really consider it. I can’t speak for anybody else.

I’m not trying to criticize you. My problem is with Rove saying that, given what he and the rest of the administration stand for:

the party this man helps lead once stood for the virtues of hard work

Rick on February 9, 2007 at 1:42 PM

That’s a pathetic comment Rove made. On two counts: lack of understanding of the real issues of illegal immigration and lack of understanding of the value of work in teaching some important lessons of life to teenagers:

On 17 year olds working, I agree with many of the above commenters. NRO said this [my bold emphasis]:

It is precisely Rove’s son (and my own, and those of the rest of us in the educated elite) who should work picking tomatoes or making beds, or washing restaurant dishes, or mowing lawns, especially when they’re young, to help them develop some of the personal and civic virtues needed for self-government. It’s not that I want my kids to make careers of picking tomatoes; Mexican farmworkers don’t want that either. But we must inculcate in our children, especially those likely to go on to high-paying occupations, that there is no such thing as work that is beneath them.

Our kids have jobs. They learn to be prompt, be responsible, get along with supervisors and coworkers, and incidentally they see the importance of education.

INC on February 9, 2007 at 1:53 PM

you know, we’d be much better off if our 14 year olds could have some of these “jobs no one else will do.” instead, our unemployable 14 year olds (child labor laws and such) spend 3 months out of the year (summer vacation) getting into all sorts of trouble. Two of my nephews (they are good boys) wanted to find summer jobs but couldn’t because a) they were too young and b) the jobs appropriate for them such as dishwashers, busboys, etc. were taken by….drum roll please….illegal aliens.

So, getting back to Rove’s comments, he is dead wrong. We should all want our kids to learn the value of a day’s work for a day’s pay, the value of money, saving, etc. The problem is that the jobs that teach our kids these valuable lessons are unavailable to them. Frankly, I’d love to see my kid pick tomatoes and scrape dishes, but not for the rest of her life.

pullingmyhairout on February 9, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Tempest in a teapot, just like Nancy Pelosi thing.
But it comes across as elitist, just like the Nancy Pelosi thing.

Matticus Finch on February 9, 2007 at 2:16 PM

These Washington elites are completely out of touch with reality. Unfortunately for them, the terrorist threat they’re ignoring coming from the southern borders and elsewhere is extremely likely to affect them. The terrorists targeted Washington before, they’ll finish the job sooner or later. They don’t exactly understand their peril. Rove’s attitude is just symptomatic of a larger problem.

PRCalDude on February 9, 2007 at 2:20 PM

So here is my question, seeing as some have missed the point. Would you say to your kids…I hope that you spend your life picking tomatoes.

I think we are close to the same page, because, as a career, of course not! I’d rather they by doctors or astronauts or scientiests, or any of that. However, if the fit hits the shan, I also would want them to not feel like they were above taking a job like that, at least in the interim to keep themselves afloat – nor would I want them to feel like losers if they did. My respect for people who do those jobs (whether they be teenagers doing their first real job outside the house or people who end up in that type of work for a lifetime) is orders of magnitude greater than it is for those who simply think they are entitled to something better or who mooch off others because they are “too good” to do something like that.

Furthermore, I didn’t get the impression from the alleged remark that Karl was referring to lifelong employment in such a field – if the quoted remark is correct, he was referring to his 17-year old son. To which you seem to get here:

I do agree with the post saying the 17 yr. reference is wrong. I believe he was saying he does not want his 17 yr to think that that is an acceptable life job, that he can do better. And that he is expected to do better.

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Even giving him the benefit of the doubt, it was an incredibly stupid and short-sighted remark (assuming it’s true that he acutally made it). And it certainly fits with the whole “jobs Americans won’t do” mantra repeated by his boss ad nauseum.

thirteen28 on February 9, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Working as a migrant farmer, unless that is work that you truly love doing, should not be a goal, but neither should it be disparaged. I would rather someone do this kind of work then hold up liquor stores and sell drugs.
By saying this sort of thing he is ignoring one reality of life. There may be time whether you are 17 or 37 that working as a maid in a hotel or flipping burgers or working in the fields may be the only honest work someone can find to provide for their family. Nobody with an honest job, doing an honest days work should be criticised.
One more parting shot. I work in an IT related job for a Fortune 100 company. One of my co workers has a lawn care service that he works at after the 9 to 5 in the office. He loves it and if he had to make a choice I think the office would lose out. He is in his 50′s and he ain’t Mexican or Hispanic.

LakeRuins on February 9, 2007 at 2:31 PM

At best it’s hearsay. Someone said that Karl Rove said…

Woody

woodcdi on February 9, 2007 at 2:34 PM

Question: Anyone here want their son or daughter have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas? Yes or No?

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GT on February 9, 2007 at 2:39 PM

GT, yes, I want my son and daughters to pick tomatoes and make beds to earn spare cash. But not in Las Vegas, as that would be quite a commute.

Kevin M on February 9, 2007 at 2:50 PM

GT

If you insert the word 17 year old somewhere in that statement, then yes I do want my child to work at least one blue collar job in her life.

Defense Guy on February 9, 2007 at 2:52 PM

I don’t want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas.

Foot meet mouth.

As a 17 year old, I didn’t want a job washing dishes for 10 hours a day, but I did it. At 18, I didn’t want a job pumping gas for 8 hours a day, but I did it. At 19 I didn’t want a job as a janitor, but I did it. At 20, 21, 22, and 23 I didn’t want whatever joy paying labor intensive jobs I was doing then, but I still did them.

At 24-27 I did want to be in the Army, so I did that. At 28 I did want to attend a tech collage to learn computer systems, so I did that as well. At 30 I did want the entry level job in computer support I got with a major insurance company, so I did that too. And, believe me, I wanted every promotion and pay raise I received since then. I’m now doing quite well as a mid-level IS manager with that same company.

The point is, I did various jobs whether I wanted to or not. I just did a lot better with the jobs I wanted as opposed to those I didn’t want. I believe those earlier jobs prepared me to face the realties of the job I have now by instilling in me a work ethic. That experience was priceless, although I didn’t realize it at the time.

Mr. Rove, what you said is just plain foolish.

RedinBlueCounty on February 9, 2007 at 2:55 PM

GT, I spent my 17th summer on a crew that cleared debris and trash from creeks and drainage ditches south of Houston. I’m an attorney now. But you better believe I understand and appreciate what “real” work is because of those two and a half months many years ago.

My wife now has our kids make their beds, clean the house, help with the gardening and help with laundry as a way of teaching responsibility and a work ethic. Is there much difference?

And I don’t think many on here were suggesting they’d like their kids to do such things for their entire lives.

SailorDave on February 9, 2007 at 2:56 PM

I don’t want any of my children to either pick tomatoes or make beds, in Vegas or anywhere else. That’s why I kicked their pasty white butts to educate themselves.

I have a lot of students for whom those jobs would be perfect–we don’t need to import labor for them. We could get a lot of people off welfare/SSI rolls, however.

Bob's Kid on February 9, 2007 at 3:19 PM

I’ve been saying it all along, Karl Rove is no more of a genius than James Carville was.

This is why the president’s “willing worker/willing employer” immigration extravaganza is morally wrong — it’s not just that it will cost taxpayers untold billions, or that it will beggar bugger our own blue-collar workers…

thegreatbeast on February 9, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Karl Rove lost his mojo in ’06 when he called it for the Republicans. I don’t believe much of anything he says anymore.

spmat on February 9, 2007 at 3:25 PM

SailorDave on February 9, 2007 at 2:56 PM

I can empathize. My father was a Marine. No work was too low. As you said, it is a way to teach responsibility and a work ethic.

My problem is with criticizing Rove for saying because there is truth in what he said. We just don’t like it.

And, while I respect Krikorian and his work, I really would have liked to have read the selected quote in full context. So many are quick to jump the gun without checking out all the details first. That’s the point for my earlier post because of we would stop and think about it, there’s truth in what he said and no one should be criticized for telling the truth.

Just my 2¢.

GT on February 9, 2007 at 3:30 PM

I have a lot of students for whom those jobs would be perfect–we don’t need to import labor for them. We could get a lot of people off welfare/SSI rolls, however.

Bob’s Kid on February 9, 2007 at 3:19 PM

I’ll vote for that!

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GT on February 9, 2007 at 3:32 PM

The comments sound like a lot of hot air to me. I don’t think this statement is enough to go on to condemn Rove for anything. Add me to the list of not wanting my kid to have to pick to tomatos or change sheets in Las Vegas. Sheesh. Its not like he said that it was beneath him or anyone else. He merely said that he would hope his kids ended up better off than that. Who doesn’t wish for the best for their kids exactly?

RobertCSampson on February 9, 2007 at 3:44 PM

Does Karl Rove want his son to have huge jowls like he does?

If not, he better get picking.

Bill C on February 9, 2007 at 4:01 PM

If we don’t have robots picking tomatoes and making beds in Vegas by the time my unborn children are having to make a living this country I’m gonna be effing pissed.

Editor on February 9, 2007 at 4:01 PM

Yes, I would not have a problem with my child working such a job, I satretd out at 13 in my grandmother’s restaurant doing all of the grunt work that it took.
Although Rove’s staement is a poor choice on many levels, he did not say anything about it being a career choice, just that he never wanted the 17 year old to experience that level of work. BS I say, there was a time when even the young aristocrats were expected to get soiled doing blue-collar typw work. It truly builds character and perspective, and should be required of every person in my book, not as a forever job but nobody should start at the top.

bbz123 on February 9, 2007 at 4:03 PM

BTW, a lot of subject, but the quote of the day should be from that guy who when learning of Smith’s death, begin writing about every mortician warming up his slab for some fun. Man that was weird, and I am still affected by it. Just had to get that out.

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 4:19 PM

He’s not quite the mastermind everyone gave him credit for. I guess all of the praise went to his head.

BacaDog on February 9, 2007 at 4:19 PM

Given that this report is a third-hand report from an anonymous source, I’m not going to pass judgement until Britt Hume plays a video of the speech, in context.

I don’t deny that it is quite possible that Rove thinks that way; I just thought he was smarter than to say it out loud.

My first job was cutting weeds around a golf course with a manual chopper at the age of 11. I didn’t enjoy it at all, but I did learn a few things about life:

That being the son of a fairly well-off and locally powerful/important man didn’t mean that I would have everything handed to me on a silver platter. That if I wanted that new bicycle before my birthday or Christmas, I was going to have to work for it. etc.

And the next summer, at age 12 I was again chopping weeds by hand AND helping make beds in a motel. That my father has just purchased the motel didn’t make my job any more enjoyable, nor any less honorable.

In my first 20 years I had a lot of menial type jobs that I hated doing, but not one that that I’m not proud of having done; my only regrets in that respect is that I wish I had done them with more pride in my work at the time.

A 17 year old (or even much younger) SHOULD be ‘picking tomatoes’, mowing lawns, digging ditches etc. for a summer job. They will learn more about real life than getting a big allowance from daddy and hanging out at the mall.

LegendHasIt on February 9, 2007 at 4:28 PM

Pressure for Republicans to drop much of their favoritism for the corporate and wealthy interests would go a long way to providing improved results in the next election.

omegaram on February 9, 2007 at 11:52 AM

I think this is what one would call a ‘canard’.

The richest individual members of congress are Democrats. I wonder how they became rich without having interests in wealthy corporations? Even the ones who inherited their fortunes still rely on the wealthy corporations from whence their fortunes came.

Seems to me the Democrats have just as much interest in favoring wealthy corporations for campaign funds as to Republicans. So why would Democrats complain about this?

Probably because it is really not about Republicans favoring wealthy corporations more that Democrats, but wealthy corporations themselves favoring Republican capitalism over Democrat socialism.

Lawrence on February 9, 2007 at 4:42 PM

Steyn made that comment about Europeans hiring immigrants to do the jobs the children they chose not to have should be doing.
Bumper sticker 30 years ago:
American Kids: doing American jobs their parents won’t do. We’re kinda retro. Guarantee, our kids will be the only Norte Americanos in our neighborhood out this spring painting that fence of ours.

naliaka on February 9, 2007 at 4:44 PM

A 17 year old (or even much younger) SHOULD be ‘picking tomatoes’, mowing lawns, digging ditches etc. for a summer job. They will learn more about real life than getting a big allowance from daddy and hanging out at the mall.

LegendHasIt on February 9, 2007 at 4:28 PM

Well said.

thirteen28 on February 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Okay sorry rove, Fine, let them in let them have amnesty, give em rights yadda yadda…
NOW GIVE ME ALL THE MONEY I SPENT ON MY IN LAWS TO COME IN THE USA LEGALLY BACK! ALL $25,000.00 of it!

WastelandMan on February 9, 2007 at 5:40 PM

sorry, on second thought maybe you need that money to cure the tuberculous they bring and pay for schooling for them.. I guess thats why my wife had to get an AIDS test to come in legally… hmmm it all makes sense now….

Rove is an AssHat.

WastelandMan on February 9, 2007 at 5:43 PM

Rove’s alleged statement smacks of racism and arrogance. Two things that really get under my skin.

nailinmyeye on February 9, 2007 at 1:27 PM

I was not thinking of racism, but I did think it had an aristocratic/servant kind of a snobbery flavor to it.

And believe me, I am not one who sees things in terms of class warfare.

As to the source, since it’s from NRO I will give them the credibility that he knows his source and it was not just a rumor.

INC on February 9, 2007 at 6:01 PM

American Kids: doing American jobs their parents won’t do

naliaka, that sounds like a needed bumper sticker for today!

INC on February 9, 2007 at 6:03 PM

The American work ethic is based on hard work, importing non citizens to perform the hard work for you was called slavery.

I did pick tomatoes and other crops for pay when I was young. I also mowed yards, scraped gum off the floors in a theater, emptied bed pans in a nursing home, bussed tables in a restaurant, roofed houses, worked in a meat processing plant and worked as a security guard. I graduated high school, went to a Jr. College and then a State College where I first received my BS degree and then a Masters degree. The American work ethic is exactly what made America great IMHO.

Buzzy on February 9, 2007 at 6:03 PM

you know, being in law school i’m currently surrounded by so many other students who went straight through undergrad and into law school without once ever working a real job and having to support themselves, let alone working a low-end “menial” job. and they are all going straight out of school to make 6 figures without having any conception of money whatsoever.

more charachter building jobslike what rove is disdaining would be good for some people, i assure you

brak on February 9, 2007 at 6:11 PM

Brak, I’ll go you one better:

I had a lot of professors in my MBA program that had NEVER held a ‘real job’. Like your example, from high school through PHD, all on daddy’s dime, but then straight into ‘teaching’ people many of whom already had years of real experience in the field.

Then, there was the Dean of my mining engineering school, who very excitedly whispered to me on a field trip: “Isn’t this great! I’ve never been in a real mine before.”

He had held a lot of jobs with and consulted to lots of big mining companies, but always from behind a computer. Nice guy, smart as heck, but I lost a lot of respect for him at that moment; Seems to me like a mining engineer should have worn a hard hat and gotten his hands and clothes dirty at least once before he gets to be Dean of an engineering school.

LegendHasIt on February 9, 2007 at 6:35 PM

This comment goes against all the ideals this country represents. I guess it is true after all. These morons want to bring back slavery!

Mellen on February 9, 2007 at 7:01 PM

I’m a college kid majoring in chemistry, but I occasionally work temp labor jobs on the weekends for extra cash. That involves everything from painting to traffic flagging to helping out on construction sites to digging ditches. I like the variety of work experience I manage to get. I don’t appreciate having to compete against the increasing pool of illegals competing for those jobs (already not everyone who shows up on a given day, citizens or illegals, can find work). Apparently the Roves of the world think I would be better off without any manual labor experience or any spare cash.

Thanks Rove! Glad to see you’re looking out for people like me. People like you are the reason I’m almost finished with this party.

tommy1 on February 9, 2007 at 7:24 PM

right2bright on February 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM

News Flash for you: your 16 year old daughter and 17 year old son are uneducated and unskilled, dude. These are the jobs which will help them become responsible and productive in their future work.

You needed to read and understand.

Jaibones on February 9, 2007 at 7:36 PM

It is precisely Rove’s son (and my own, and those of the rest of us in the educated elite) who should work picking tomatoes or making beds, or washing restaurant dishes, or mowing lawns, especially when they’re young, to help them develop some of the personal and civic virtues needed for self-government.

Precisely…….. If you don’t, you would turn into a Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton, et al.

PinkyBigglesworth on February 9, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Question: Anyone here want their son or daughter have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas? Yes or No?

GT on February 9, 2007 at 2:39 PM

As opposed to, say, a spoiled lazy rich kid?

Yes.

Lawrence on February 9, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Question: Anyone here want their son or daughter have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas? Yes or No?

GT on February 9, 2007 at 2:39 PM

My previos post was a little sarcastic {I have a big problem with that}, but yes.

Why may you ask?….. one of my many “first jobs” was landscaping, where I learned, over time, a great deal about soil, plants, types of grass, irrigation, plumbing, soldering, PVC pipe, grading, etc, etc. It is not my “job” today, but working around the house, guess who has a working knowledge, doesn’t have to hire someone, and takes pride in his work, while teaching his children?

Second “first job”, dishwasher… where I moved on to as a prep cook, then a line cook, eventually learning to love to cook, learning new techniques and recipes that I still enjoy today. It is not my “job” today, but I love being able to cook a good meal for my family be it in the kitchen, at the beach, or on top of a mountain.

I can go on and on…..

Do you see a trend here, or maybe a lesson in life?

PinkyBigglesworth on February 9, 2007 at 9:42 PM

This comment goes against all the ideals this country represents. I guess it is true after all. These morons want to bring back slavery!
Mellen on February 9, 2007 at 7:01 PM

Well, Charles Rangel and Hillary Clinton will bring back slavery big-time they ever figure out how to get that Universal Draft Bill passed. The MSM, with Associate Press has been working overtime to crank out pro-Draft drivel that is placed in newspapers aacross the country. (disguised as failures of the volunteer army) They want all Americans 18-26 to be eligible to be drafted for either military service OR National Service consisting of homeland security AND FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE.
Got that? Any other purpose, one’s fate to be assigned by a committee. Rampant favoritism, bribery, political retributions, will all be the order of the day if Hillary gets her communist, collective way.

naliaka on February 9, 2007 at 10:31 PM

Sometime in the future ……

“Today children we’ll be studying the origins of the North American Union and it’s founding father George W. Bush”

darwin on February 9, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Actually, it will be (translation into the language it will be spoken in handled by Babelfish) -

“Los niños, estudiaremos hoy los orígenes de México del norte y de su padre de fundación, George W. Bush.”

steveegg on February 9, 2007 at 11:33 PM

Sadly, our two parties are in some regards very much alike, specifically on elitism and hypocrisy.

Entelechy on February 10, 2007 at 12:57 AM

“The world needs ditch diggers too.” -Judge Smails ~Caddy Shack :)

“Some days you’re the dog. Some days you’re the tree.” -Me

SilverStar830 on February 10, 2007 at 1:04 AM

What’s really sad is I can’t find any credible account that Rove ever said this!

I think this is nothing but a moonbat dream!

Bob on February 10, 2007 at 10:50 AM

I’m not surprised. Republican politicians no longer stand for their fundamental founding principles: small government and self-government. If they did, we wouldn’t have the EPA, FDA, Dept. Of Education, Dept. of Energy, Small Business Association, Consumer Product Safety Commission, Nat. Labor Relations Board, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social (in)Security, Nat. Science Foundation, Minimum Wage, Dept. of Agriculture, or HUD.

More than anything else, it is the unchecked expansion of national government programs that is damaging this nation. If we didn’t have the rampant socialist programs, do you honestly think illegal immigration would be as big of a problem as it is now? Cows are attracted to grass, fruit flies to fruit, dogs to bones, and illegal immigrants to free money. Take away the attractant and the problem goes away, or at least diminishes.

Decoy256 on February 10, 2007 at 12:18 PM

Has anyone ever looked at this issue as a new form of slavery? I suppose I just had an epiphany. Or maybe I’m just slow. Honestly, weren’t black slaves brought in to do the work that the white gentry wouldn’t or couldn’t do? Can someone tell me a substantial difference between that and today’s topic?

So we can assume the Democrats are looking at these Latin American “emigres” as future votes and the Republicans merely see them as grist for an economic mill. Does anyone see any vested interest in either side in making these folks vested members of the middle-class? And where does that leave the average folks who still believe the spirit and will of the American worker can move mountains?

I’m starting to develop Allah’s dark sense of fate.

SailorDave on February 10, 2007 at 5:16 PM

Do i want my child to pic tomatoes or make beds in vegas???

HELL NO I WANT MY VERY OWN SLAVE!!!!

Now,………….. does anyone have a problem with that?

Mellen on February 10, 2007 at 5:43 PM

SailorDave
Not sure the Repubs consider them grist for an economic mill – a lot of Republicans these days are small business people, like carpenters, plumbers, landscapers who are losing contracts to contractors who employ lower wage illegals. Plus, Nancy Pelosi, scion of the Dem Party seems to fit the Left’s profile of the Republican country club wealthy that she loves to pin on the GOP membership. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if a broad survey of illegal alien employers found that a hefty segment of them were Dems. The Dems seem to think all of America is incapable of cleaning their own toilets. Weird perspective, unless … unless all the people you know employ illegals. The rest of the country looks up from the toilet bowls, brushes in hand and mutters, “Say what?”

naliaka on February 10, 2007 at 7:19 PM

This quote by Rove, if accurate, just proves what I said in another thread. The national Republican party of today is to the left of the national Democrat party that Ronald Reagan walked away from.

The issue isn’t who wants their kids to do what job. It isn’t whether this job or that is “honorable” in any one person’s opinion. The issue is trying to justify a total failure to enforce the sovereignty of this nation using such an argument. Who cares what job anyone wants, or wants for someone else? That doesn’t get you within a million miles of rationalizing illegal behavior.

Don’t fall for misdirections like that. Stick to the foundation. Is the behavior illegal? Yes, yes it is. Then ENFORCE THE LAW. That is the citizenry’s rightful demand of their government.

Freelancer on February 11, 2007 at 4:32 AM

Try this – the remarks that Rove made are not at all uncommon – it’s merely that he got caught making them.

Both parties have those who feel this way about us – the great unwashed mass of those who are not fit to lick their boots.

They’re called elitists, and they are rather endemic throughour government.

The real pity is that it is our sons and daughters (as well as those of us who served) who fight and die in the wars and conflicts that keep these “people” free so that they can practice economic servitude upon the mass whom they shamelessly exploit for their own ends – power and profit.

It will be a good in America when the mass finally wakes up.

Emmett J. on February 11, 2007 at 2:45 PM