Mormonism is a peaceful cult. Certainly NOT “christian” in ANY sense of the word…

3. God. In Mormon theology, the god of our planet is believed to have once been a man on another planet, who through self-effort and the help of his own father-god, was appointed by a counsel of gods in the heavens to his high position as the god of planet Earth, and now has a physical, resurrected, glorified body. Mormonism teaches that through the atonement of Christ and by their good deeds and “holy” living, men can one day become gods, and with their multiplicity of “goddess wives,” populate their own planets.

NRA4Freedom on February 7, 2007 at 11:16 AM

As a Mormon myself, I’d like to say that all these canards spewed about me not being “Christian” are rather insulting. See, I beleive that it’s through Christ I am saved. By saying I’m not Christian, you are in effect denying salvation to me. Now, I’m no judge of people, but it seems you seem to think you are set up as the Ultimate judge of deciding who is and who is not Christian, NRA4Freedom?

I’ll happily admit we aren’t the “standard Christian,” but that doesn’t mean we aren’t Christian. I note your quote is carefully calculated to twist our beliefs to sound as nutty as possible. Well, it’s very easy to do the exact same to any religion–including whatever sect of Christianity you claim to believe in. So, I’d respectfully ask you to stop spreading anti-Mormon FUD. That’s all it is, after all. No different than spreading anti-jewish stuff, or anti-Catholic. Presumably, you wouldn’t countenance that, would you?

While I certainly understand your concern, it might be best to use an analogy to demostrate the difference. In Catholocism, there is a catechism which clearly demonstrates everything that embodies being Catholic. People who align themselves with and adhere to those beliefs are what people would refer to as Catholics. Likewise, the Bible, being the book of Christianity, also demonstrates everything that embodies being Christian, and likewise those who align themselves and adhere to those beliefs would be caled Christians.

Now, people who hold to and confess beliefs that are at odds with the Catholic catechism could hardly be called Catholics just as those who hold to and confess beliefs that are at odds with the Bible can hardly be called Christians.

The Bible is either exactly what it claims to be, or it is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. Mormonism is little more than a mixture of words taken from the Bible, and that mixed with a fairly strange belief system invented by Smith and his followers. Biblically speaking, there is very little christianity about it once you actually get down in the dirty details of it.

The Bible is very clear on what Christianity is, and it is exactly the opposite of other religions. Virtually every other religion of man on this planet can be boiled down and outlined as mankind doing something, or working towards, the attempt to somehow “earn” favor with “God”, hoping to appease or be counted as “good enough” so as not to be cast off in the end. Conversely, Christianity is the exact opposite, it is God Himself doing for mankind, in and through Jesus Christ, what mankind can never do for himself, which is pay the price for his own sin or otherwise earn favor with a just and righteous God.

So in the end, no, Jesus and Satan were not brothers. And no, the God of the Bible never was a man like us on some other planet. And no, mankind will never turn into a “God” and be like the God of the Bible over some other planet of people in the future regardless of how good a Mormon he is. But if you want to believe that kind of stuff, then you have every right to do so and enjoy doing it. Just don’t try to pass yourselves off as “christians” as in Biblically Christianity please…

NRA4Freedom on February 7, 2007 at 12:51 PM

No doubt, it’s pointless to argue about it. People are going to believe whatever they like, regardless. If someone were interested in comparing Mormon doctrine to the Bible, they only need to Google the words “Mormon cult” and become informed.

NRA4Freedom on February 7, 2007 at 2:52 PM

Actually JadeNYU, sarcasm aside, you are exactly correct in that the Mormon “Jesus” is no more the Jesus Christ of which the Bible speaks than the Mormon “God” is the God of the Bible. That aside, there really isn’t anything wrong with the religion of Mormonism, as man made religions go there are a lot worse religions that someone could choose to be an active participant of. An interesting read is this,

http://www.irr.org/MIT/Is-Mormonism-Christian.html

perhaps some of the vocal Mormon flag wavers here would like to demonstrate where this is in error?

NRA4Freedom on February 7, 2007 at 5:14 PM

You can “respond” all you like, but it won’t change the facts. Those facts are that many LDS doctrines and theology are in direct opposition to what God says in the Bible. If those opposing doctrines were on something minor, such as things that seperate some of the various christian denominations…something like, whether water baptism is sprinkling or dunking, then perhaps your arguments might be valid. Unfortunately, the differences are far from minor, and revolve around who God Himself is, where He came from, who Jesus Christ is, who Satan is, and on and on and on. IF the Bible is the book of christianity, then biblically speaking, Mormonism is NOT christian in any sense of the term. IF you intend to use something other than the Bible to try to define what “christianity” is, then depending on what you use, the whole world might be “christians”. End of story. Oh, and if it it makes me a “troll” to state the truth, then a troll I will have to be.

NRA4Freedom, you shouldn’t take the Mormon vote for the Republican party for granted. If enough people like you that call yourselves “conservative” keep up this bigoted crap, there are enough moderate Democrats in the West we can vote for and leave all you exclusionary so-and-so’s out in the cold in 2008.

WasatchMan on February 7, 2007 at 5:36 PM

Honestly, I am not too concerned with who you vote for. In fact, the very idea that because I simply pointed out that some important Mormon doctines are wholly incompatable with the “Christian” Bible you are threatening to stop voting for conservatives, well, that’s very liberal of you, politically speaking of course. And by the way, the TRUTH is not and never is “bigotry”, it is simply the truth.

NRA4Freedom on February 7, 2007 at 8:29 PM

LOL! First you guys are going to go vote for liberals, and now you are going to drop your membership(and join up with what,the ACLU maybe?), all because someone did nothing more than point out the undeniable fact that the main doctrines of the religion of Mormonism is in opposition to the Bible?

You all sound like the proverbial little boy who is going to just take their marbles home and quit playing if you can’t have your way.

Again, the truth is not bigotry, it is merely the truth. If you want to be Mormon, feel perfectly free to do so, it’s a free Country. But beating your fists on the ground and holding your breath because the easily determined facts don’t happen go your way is pretty strange, really it is.

You also obviously do not understand the meaning of my moniker, that’s too bad too.

NRA4Freedom on February 7, 2007 at 9:52 PM

I see the art of deception is still hard at work in mainstream Mormon circles. Everyone doing their best to try to convince a lost world of something that only the most uninformed believer, or else an unbeliever, would believe, peddling nothing but counterfeit Christianity. Because we all know that the best “new” Mormon is the “christian” who knows nothing of their Bible other than the names contained in it that they have heard in passing from their “church” that didn’t bother to warn them about false christs. But the Bible speaks of Mormon like religions when it states,

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

and do you know just how easy it is to tell what this verse is talking about? It says “another Jesus…whom we have not preached”. So let’s compare the Mormon Jesus to the Jesus of the Bible. Is the Jesus of the Bible the brother of Lucifer like Mormon theology says? No, Lucifer was an angel, a creation OF God. Is the Bible Jesus merely a created being, the fist of many of the offspring or creations of God like Mormon theology says? No, the Bible Jesus IS God, and He existed forever with God. Was Christ conceived through a physical act, like Mormon theology says? No, the Bible Jesus was conceived in the womb of a virgin by the Holy Spirit, who is also God. Was the Jesus of the Bible a married polygamist with children? No, He was, and is, God. Did the Jesus of the Bible earn his own salvation on the Cross? No, salvation was never required of Jesus Christ, because He was perfect in all His ways from the beginning, unlike the teachings of Mormon which attempt to reveal Him as a once mortal and imperfect man.

No, you cannot merely attach someone’s name to your religion and then expect everyone to take for granted that the words mean what you say they do, no matter how much you WANT people to believe that they do. And interestingly enough, one of your own church Presidents actually told the truth in 1998, when he made a statement in Paris when

“In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages. (Church News, week ending June 20, 1998, page 7)

Of course, Mormons will ultimately deny that any of the teachings of the past leaders of the Mormon church are their doctrines and theology NOW, since there are SO many things recorded from what these people and the Mormon church has taught in the past, to attempt to argue their doctrinal positions would be impossible.

But in order to really bring into view the deceptive ways of the LDS church, maybe we should actually begin with discussing the curse of Cain. You know, that little doctrine that was a part of the LDS church for over a hundred years that pointed out that black folk are the color they are because they are the seed of Cain and under the curse. Oh wait, I forgot that for the last decade or so, the LDS church outrightly denies that it ever had any such teaching or theology. Imagine that. But since some people are old enough to remember such teachings, lots of people know the truth. Lots of young Mormons have no clue. I’m sure if you ask your bishop, they will tell you you not to worry about it though, that’s how deception works.

If you REALLY want to go there, and reveal all the teachings of the Mormon church and how they differ from what the Bible says, feel perfectly free. I’m not afraid of the truth, are you?

NRA4Freedom on February 8, 2007 at 10:43 AM

Or maybe we should talk about this news story today,

PARIS (Reuters) – Pope Benedict was baptized at birth and will most likely be baptized again one year after his death, not by his Roman Catholic Church but by a Mormon he never met…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070205/lf_nm/religion_mormons_baptism_dc_2

Nothing biblical about this kind of goofiness.

NRA4Freedom on February 8, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Vanceone, the democrats Godlessness aside, you are asking whether or not a Mormon Presidential candidate would get my vote for President of the United States? I guess that would depend on the candidate himself. Romney has been a little hard to pin down on some issues, because some of his past doesn’t seem to be on par with some of his stands on the same issues now. In the mid 90’s, he caved on gun control issues. In 2002 he claimed to fully support Mass gun control laws. Now he says otherwise, so which Mitt are we to believe?

Also, traditionally, he has in effect been an abortion supporter, a gay “rights” supporter, and he appears to support embryonic stem-cell research to an extent. Frankly, he appears to me to be and issue “waffler” like Kerry was, and that’s going to be a pretty hard person to vote for. Maybe I am mistaken about him, but so far, that’s the way it looks to me.

NRA4Freedom on February 8, 2007 at 12:33 PM