Report: Ted Haggard now “completely heterosexual”
posted at 12:05 pm on February 6, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Improbable, yes. Impossible? Heavens, no. Why, Ivanka Trump turned Andy Dick straight just a few nights ago on Jimmy Kimmel’s show.
You know what the freakiest thing is about Ivanka’s nuclear hotness? She really does look like Donald. Brrrr.
Anyway, Haggard’s back on the team and brandishing the unlikeliest excuse since Mel “Four-beer Nazi” Gibson:
[Rev. Tim] Ralph [a member of Haggard's oversight board] said three weeks of counseling at an undisclosed Arizona treatment center helped Haggard immensely and left Haggard sure of one thing.
“He is completely heterosexual,” Ralph said. “That is something he discovered. It was the acting-out situations where things took place. It wasn’t a constant thing.”
Why Haggard chose to act out in that manner is something Haggard and his advisers are trying to discern, Ralph said.
He and his wife say they’re planning to go back to school to get their degrees in psychology, which led the advisory board to politely suggest they turn their attention to secular work henceforth instead of Christian ministry. I don’t see why the two should be mutually exclusive, but some good might come of it: those of us who belong to the “least trusted minority group in America” can use all the help we can get.
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Matthew chapter 7 has something to say about the likes of Haggard.
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 12:15 PM
Well isn’t that special.
Slublog on February 6, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Oh man, I thought MK might have pulled you over and into the light by now.
Oh well, there is still time…;-)
As far as Haggard goes, he represents a vast majority actually…hypocrites.
My advice to Haggard is to not lead until you can at least control your own impulses.
Rightwingsparkle on February 6, 2007 at 12:17 PM
This story is a long way from being over. As a Christian (or Christ follower, depending on if your church serves lattes), I saw this being a potential trainwreck. As a humanoid, my gaydar was pegged at a nine on Haggard. If you ever heard Haggard speak, you had to at least suspect that he had gay tendencies. The same holds true for Lindsay Graham. Get ready.
Doogie Howser surprised me, though.
Matticus Finch on February 6, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Do “atheists” really qualify as a “minority group?”
nailinmyeye on February 6, 2007 at 12:28 PM
3 weeks of counseling? Goodness. Disappear Haggard.
Theworldisnotenough on February 6, 2007 at 12:32 PM
And you’ve just taken over the lead for the “minority group” that whines most about their self-perceived oppression. Congrats. You had some stiff opposition. Pun intended.
Professor Blather on February 6, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Oh, and on the atheist thing. Mrs. Rice said, “We’re readily told that we’re not going to heaven, or we’re going to hell.”
My thought: Well, if you don’t believe in it, it shouldn’t bother you. If someone came up and told me that I was going to Pluto, not Saturn, I’d say, “Okey dokey.”
Matticus Finch on February 6, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Hey, Matticus, it didn’t seem that way when he had his hand on my thigh. But you never know. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
KelliD on February 6, 2007 at 12:41 PM
My guess is they got evicted because he has that hideous moustache. I’d say that’s the least trusted minority-guys with overgrown moustaches (think child molesters, rapists, armed robbers).
mattshu on February 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM
I’m not a big Sci-Fi guy, but Haggard looks like a character from a Star Trek spin off. I think Quark is his name?
A picture of the two side by side would be interesting.
natesnake on February 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Lindsay Graham had his hand on your thigh? Wow. Was it on a date?
Matticus Finch on February 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM
41″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Luke 6:41-42
rising21 on February 6, 2007 at 12:44 PM
That’s pretty brutal, in a soft-spoken evangelical sort of way.
I want to also see whether Haggard gets counseling for his habit of buying methamphetamine that he never uses.
see-dubya on February 6, 2007 at 12:51 PM
Alla Pundit Rules
abinitioadinfinitum on February 6, 2007 at 12:56 PM
No, not a date. Fundraiser for a local pol I worked for at the time. It wasn’t a sleazy come-on thing. I kind of thought the same thing you did, but not so much anymore. More recently I saw him driving down Interstate 26 with a female passenger.
KelliD on February 6, 2007 at 12:57 PM
I’m thinking Haggard is a tool. Why all the hate, though?
spmat on February 6, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Ha! Found it…as soon as I read this post, my mind went right to this Mr. Show sketch, which was right on point, I think.
*Strong Content Warning*
Mark V. on February 6, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Why Haggard chose to act out in that manner is something Haggard and his advisers are trying to discern, Ralph said.
Um, perhaps because he is a homosexual being forced to live a lie? Yeah, I think that might be it.
Krydor on February 6, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Haggard would not be the first gay man who wishes he were straight. The problem for them is that software (force of will) cannot overcome hardware (how — and to whom — his body reacts to sexually). I don’t think he is an example of a straight person who wandered over the line once or twice.
I feel sorry for him and very sorry for his wife.
Mostly I’m commenting because I wanted to say Ivanka Trump is un-freaking-believably hot. Oh god oh god oh god …
doufree on February 6, 2007 at 1:12 PM
Did the treatment by any chance include herbal nano-technology?
bloggless on February 6, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Well, I glad we finally got that figured out. I hope he can keep it a straight now.
;)
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 1:18 PM
You know, I can understand that people might not care for the atheist mystique, and you might mistakenly think that it somehow corrupts society, or your children, or something…
But at the end of the day, I simply reject the existence of this being that I never see, and who never talks to me. Same way that I reject the existence of Bigfoot. Why is that so threatening to the rest of America?
Enrique on February 6, 2007 at 1:22 PM
I don’t see any mention of his meth habit.
Which begs the question, which is harder to overcome: meth or teh ghey?
JaHerer22 on February 6, 2007 at 1:25 PM
I didn’t blockquote the part about meth.
Allahpundit on February 6, 2007 at 1:28 PM
Well as an enthusiastic heterosexual, I must say, this isn’t good news…
honora on February 6, 2007 at 1:31 PM
Doesn’t bother me at all. Just as it shouldn’t bother you when I say that God exists whether or not you choose to believe in him.
jman on February 6, 2007 at 1:59 PM
Knowing next to bupkiss about this guy, I’ve got to wonder why all the harshing on Ted not wanting to be riding the Hershey Highway?
Its also totally understandable for them to ask him to leave the ministry. He needs help himself, and until he’s dealt with his problems, he shouldn’t take on the burdens of others problems.
Because for all the atheists moaning about believers killing in the name of religion, when atheists got in charge they managed to kill more people, faster, than the believers ever could have dreamed of, up until now.
That aside, many believers develop their moral framework from their belief. Since atheists don’t have a belief, believers don’t understand how atheists can have a moral framework. Thus they don’t understand the morality of an atheist and therefore can’t trust an atheist.
Iblis on February 6, 2007 at 2:02 PM
I don’t believe in George Washington…I’ve never seen him nor has he talked to me.
jdpaz on February 6, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Why does someone else’s atheism bother other people? Goodness, let it go.
honora on February 6, 2007 at 2:27 PM
I am only speaking for myself, but when I finally humbled myself before God and sought to live my life on his terms instead of arrogantly dictating them to him, I found him.
jman on February 6, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Perhaps some God fearing folks cross to bear in this life is having themselves pulled towards homosexual relationships. If that is the case, then when Christ said “If any one desires to come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” applies to them as well as any other believer who finds their feet straying off the narrow path. Christ didn’t die for people who are perfect or who think themselves so, He died for sinners. When believers fall off the narrow path, they need to confess, repent, and let Christ help them back to their feet behind Him, and move on. They DON’T need to become a circus. The modern evangelical movement is quickly looking like a circus, from homosexual and evolutional meanderings to “churches” taking up the Global Warming banner, apostacy is abounding these days.
NRA4Freedom on February 6, 2007 at 2:28 PM
I think, for most believers, it’s like if I thought your house was on fire but didn’t warn you and let you die in the fire. It bothers us because we care….ok, some of us are just obnoxious jerks—but the rest of us care.
jdpaz on February 6, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Go back to philo. 101 and learn how to use that phrase correctly, please.
spmat on February 6, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Well then pray for them, don’t harass them. Does anyone really believe that the atheists on this blog have not been advised, ad nauseum I might add, that their “house is on fire”?
Tend to your own house friends.
honora on February 6, 2007 at 2:35 PM
Yeah I know, but can’t a moral framework evolve from human beings behaving as social creatures? The reason most people treat each other decently is not out of fear of God, but because they want other people to like them. No one who commits a kind act is thinking to him/herself “I’m doing this because otherwise Jesus won’t like me,” they’re probably just thinking “I’m going to do this because it’s a good thing to do, and I’m a good person.”
If you are a good person, it’s because you are a good person. Why give God the credit?
Anyway, kudos to Paula Zahn for once. And kudos to HA for putting that clip up.
Enrique on February 6, 2007 at 2:36 PM
To second what’s already been said, I personally don’t care and don’t feel threatened. But then again, I’m not the one trying to keep any view but mine from being taught in schools.
I really don’t get why you think any Christian cares or feels threatened by atheism. From my experience, we just find a perspective like that sad, not sad for me, but sad for you, basically a cave allegory sadness. And that’s why we try to point those with your perspective to the metephorical sun.
Exactly.
Or as others have put it:
“I’ve never seen the wind. I’ve seen the effects of the wind, but I’ve never seen the wind.”
But sadly, we’re supposed to be the effects of God, and for that, I can understand disbelief. We’re not as convincing as a breeze.
Esthier on February 6, 2007 at 2:37 PM
Well, maybe because atheists are and have been the most notoriously intolerant and deadly people in the world. Just substitute the world “Christianity” for “atheism” in your statement above and it should become clear.
januarius on February 6, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Because Christians believe that humans are evil by their very nature and can only be good through God.
In fact, we call sin “fleshly” or “wordly” and goodness “holiness” or “Godliness”.
We see God as being the standard for what good is, so therefore, any human attempt will fail to meet that standard.
That’s the basic belief system of Christianity. That, and that Jesus died to set us free from all of that.
Esthier on February 6, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Really? I thought that the radical Muslims were the most deadly people in the world? I’m so confused…..
honora on February 6, 2007 at 2:44 PM
Haggard was able to turn it all around* once he met Donnie Davies!
*In a manner of speaking
Jim Treacher on February 6, 2007 at 3:03 PM
RESPECT MY ATHEISTIC DEADLINESS.
Allahpundit on February 6, 2007 at 3:04 PM
The Smiths say, “we were absolutely isolated people would drive by the house park in front of the house and stare like we were in a zoo”..sorta like Alexandra Pelosi’s HBO documentary…Haggard could be potential advisor to Democrats who seek votes in Bible belt .
mimi on February 6, 2007 at 3:08 PM
The Smiths say, “we were absolutely isolated people would drive by the house park in front of the house and stare like we were in a zoo”..sorta like Alexandra Pelosi’s HBO documentary…Haggard could be potential advisor to Democrats who seek votes in Bible belt .
mimi on February 6, 2007 at 3:08 PM
You may not be deadly, but your atheistic brethren have killed how many in the French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Khmer Revolution, Cultural Revolution, etc.?
Nihilistic atheism is the most deadly “religion” in world history.
januarius on February 6, 2007 at 3:12 PM
the atheist movement has all the help it needs AP. I believe the bullwark is called The “ACLU”.
One Angry Christian on February 6, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Because “good” is a relative word. You can always find someone worse than you and feel good about yourself.
You need an absolute standard of good to determine what is truly good and what is not. That standard is God. When something is good or evil, it is closer to that standard or further than that standard.
jman on February 6, 2007 at 3:15 PM
Allah is a Moderate Atheist, not a Fundamentalist or Radical Atheist. We need to focus on winning his heart and mind and make sure the radicals don’t intimidate him.
see-dubya on February 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM
I can’t believe this thread hasn’t moved to the left side yet: homosexuality, heterosexuality, Chritianity, atheism, psychology and Ivanka Trump. It couldn’t get any better than this!
Indeed, but she also looks/acts like her classically beautiful/intelligent/elegant mother. Not that he’d have to ask me, for sure, but I liked his first wife the best.
Entelechy on February 6, 2007 at 3:17 PM
Oh good. Like these folks have a sense of humor when it comes to this. I tried to help, you’re on your own, Godless, perverse, soulless one–well you get the idea.
I should have worked in “smite” somewhere…..
honora on February 6, 2007 at 3:19 PM
I’m DEADLY, baby. Like an atheistic TIGER.
Allahpundit on February 6, 2007 at 3:20 PM
So I’m the only one who suspects Donald bred her for her hair……you know what I mean.
honora on February 6, 2007 at 3:21 PM
I doubt many things – that AP can be intimidated is not one of them!
Entelechy on February 6, 2007 at 3:23 PM
Here, kitty kitty kitty…
jman on February 6, 2007 at 3:23 PM
I understand your point of view. Honest. But please know that I am not in any way threatened by you.
One does not dictate to God, which is what your perspective reflects. The creation does not dictate to the creator.
The reason I respond negatively to your position is that I am concerned for your immortal soul. But, why is this my business? Because I think of you as having fallen down a well and I am bringing you a rope to help you out.
You may reject my assistance, but at least I tried. I am definitely not threatened by our insistence in staying in the well.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 3:34 PM
I think we are confusing deadliness with dangerous. Muslim terrorist may be the most dangerous, but the U.S. military is proving to be the most deadly.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 3:38 PM
Spellin Corectiun:
You may reject my assistance, but at least I tried. I am definitely not threatened by your insistence in staying in the well.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 3:39 PM
Furthermore…
It would be refreshing to see the anti-God people here state their opposing views without first mocking or ridiculing a pro-God position.
If you could do this, it would be a lot easier for us pro-God types to take your point of view seriously.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 3:56 PM
The distrust in atheists is probably rooted in the assumption that they don’t hold to the moral values that this country was founded on. (judeo-christian)
For some, atheism is appealing because it releives them of the guilt associated with a religious faith. For others it is purely a matter of pragmatism. And others it is a result of a bad experience with a religion.
I have found most atheists to be people of moral character. They are honest, trustworthy, kind etc.
Too bad they’re all going to hell.
hahahha J/K!
csdeven on February 6, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Allah’s gay?
Ann on February 6, 2007 at 3:58 PM
oh, atheist – sorry Allah!
(not that there’s anyhting wrong with that…)
Ann on February 6, 2007 at 3:59 PM
I’ve often thought the same thing.
jman on February 6, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Ted Haggard may well be cured of his homosexuality, but in my opinion, the boy may be bad to hold one in his mouth, but by God, he sure wouldn’t suck on it!
Grouper on February 6, 2007 at 4:11 PM
I thought he was talking about Lawyers.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Bowling for Jeebus or Make your own Hell in 20 minutes or less or Why even open your Mouth!
Help! PC Police!
Kini on February 6, 2007 at 4:20 PM
This is true, for the most part. The problem with trust is one never knows exactly what absolutes an aethist is basing his/her moral character on. Especially when an atheist might and sometimes do change their moral absolutes in response to any given scenario.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 4:22 PM
He’s lying. It was the Snickers commercial that turned him.
Seixon on February 6, 2007 at 4:26 PM
Entelechy on February 6, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Entelechy,
In your first out of context quote, I’m talking about mocking God.
In your second out of context quote, I’m answer the aethist question of why religious people have a hard time trusting them.
If you have to quote me out of context to make a point, your not making a very good point. I’m not mocking your logic, I’m just pointing out the obvious contradiction.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 4:40 PM
Lawrence, point well taken on ‘absolute’ context. And, sincerely, I generally like reading your comments, agreed with or not, at least not 100% of the time, which can’t be for any of us…
Still, some, self included, you, right2bright, honora, and a few others, ask of others that which we’re not fully disciplined to exercise.
We all need to make a bigger effort, if we demand the same from others. Regards,
Entelechy on February 6, 2007 at 4:49 PM
A few thoughts about the video clip:
1) While I’m not the kind that would ostracize a person for believing differently than I do, I think it’s interesting that the first family’s problems started after they began complaining to the school board about the bible study. While we can argue whether or not that’s appropriate for a public school (and, given the lack of info in this particular case, I think it’s pointless to argue this matter at all), I think there is evidence that people’s complaint wasn’t that this family was atheist but rather that they were trying to change something that the town had been doing for years that no one else in the town had a problem with. My guess is that if they hadn’t gone all activist on their little town, their neighbors would have left them alone.
2) In America, we have freedom of association. If the people in the town don’t want to hang out with their atheist neighbor, that’s their right. If they don’t want to hang out with the strange cat lady across the street, that’s their right. We may not think it’s good or kind or Christian, but, people have the right to associate with you or not.
3) Why is it intollerant to tell someone they are going to Hell if your belief system states that they are going to hell? Is it intollerant to tell someone that they are fat? No. It’s wildly innapropriate, but not intollerant. I personally don’t go around telling people who is and isnt going to Hell because that decision is above my paygrade. However, being LDS, I’ve had many people tell me I’m going to Hell. I never felt it was intollerant. I always think it’s more of an indication of the kind of person they are rather than anything about me and I handle it as such.
4) What was the point with that last complaint about not getting equal time to shout on the street corner? First of all, most Christians I know don’t pay too much attention to the guys shouting Christian doctrine/Bible verses on the street corner. Don’t be offended if I give you the same lack of attention. Also, I’ve seen plenty of people in Santa Monica arguing with the guys talking about Christ on the promenade. Don’t be offended if someone begins debating with you. When you are on a street corner, no one is your captive audience. They are free to walk away, debate, and yes, mock you as they please. If you want a more controlled environment, I suggest that being the street corner crazy screamer is not for you.
5) Best thing to come from that entire clip – someone used the phrase “non-theistic-American”. Did you know you were a hyphenated American now, AP?
JadeNYU on February 6, 2007 at 4:57 PM
Very True. Your point is well taken.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 5:05 PM
Entechy,
Lemme clear up that while we may from time to time cross words over theology, I don’t view you (or for that matter any one on this blog) as my enemy.
The Muslim terrorists trying to cut off your head, and mine along with it, are my enemies.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Maybe you didn’t type the “GRRRR”, but I’m thinking you said it.
I’m not convinced that they’re a minority.
Esthier on February 6, 2007 at 5:23 PM
Absolutely true.
Although religious folk can be hypocriticle, their professed beliefs are out there to see AND they believein a higher power that will hold them to those standards.
Good point.
csdeven on February 6, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Next time all of you atheists are ill, make sure and go to an atheist hospital. You don’t believe in what we stand for, don’t use what we provide.
right2bright on February 6, 2007 at 5:29 PM
If you post something wrong, take the blame don’t point your fingers at someone without a good reason. Show me an example please of what you are accusing me of.
You drag my name into your blog to difuse your mistake; their goes your “bigger effort”.
right2bright on February 6, 2007 at 5:40 PM
Yeah, sure he is–he spent 3 whole weeks getting counseling. Just like Patrick Kennedy and Lindsay Lohan. It’s another success story for Celebrity Rehab! It can fix anything, in just a fraction of the time that normal rehab lasts for us Little People.
And yet somehow, despite all of that, Ted still sets off my gaydar. I feel sorry for the guy for being conflicted and living a lie and all, but more denial is about the last thing he needs.
But unfortunately some of us have smelled the wind.
ReubenJCogburn on February 6, 2007 at 5:58 PM
What is the percentage of someone with gay tendencies going into therapy and being “cured”?
Not a doctor or researcher, but I would say about 3% or less, and probably at least a year of observation.
Anyone have accurate stats?
This was his first time? Ask any storekeeper about shoplifters, every one ever caught, was caught doing it the first time.
right2bright on February 6, 2007 at 6:06 PM
Right, but that assumes a creator. I’m saying I don’t think He’s there at all. I think there never was a God, it’s just an honest mistake people made, and they passed that mistake down through history. And it wouldn’t be the first time that a human error/failing has been passed down. Think about that last anti-war march with Jane Fonda – another example of sincere but incorrect and retrograde ideas that have persisted for decades.
So I’m saying that I think God is an idea, not a being per se.
Enrique on February 6, 2007 at 6:08 PM
Now there’s the Christian Spirit!
Ann on February 6, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Ann, that is Christian Spirit. The Christians have offered hospitals, education, food, disaster relief…if someone does not want it or does not believe in the system that provides it, then they have an option not to use it. In fact to be true to themselves they should not, it was built on a false premise, one that most resent, so why would they want to partake in what they demean.
Christ offered himself, it is up to the individual to accept that offering or refuse it. The atheists want (demand) all of the good things given to them by Religious believers, but do not themselves create an alternative. Kind of like giving someone in need a free meal and having them complain that there is no dessert, and refusing to help clean the kitchen.
BTW, so you or others won’t distort what I wrote. When giving meals and shelter to people in need, they are the most grateful people (and families) you will ever meet. Helping them get a new start, you will never meet more grateful people. And every night, during these cold winter nights, the Church is out taking in and feeding people by the tens of thousands.
Show me the atheists organization that is feeding these people. They take, but do not give.
right2bright on February 6, 2007 at 6:31 PM
Bwahahaha!
That headline and the pic alone are hilarious.
In all seriousness, I don’t want Mr. Haggard anywhere near my team. This phony pretension is not what Christianity is about.
infidel4life on February 6, 2007 at 6:50 PM
right2brightt
I don’t think it is the Christian spirit to only provide aid to people who believe as they do. I don’t believe that the Christians have offered hospitals, education, food etc only for the believers, but I may be wrong. You obviously have a very low, intolerant opinion of non-believers and anyone who doesn’t believe what you believe. I assure you that I have no resentment towards you and other Christians. I have a very good friend who is a devote Christian and I respect her beliefs. I ask in exchange that she respect mine. If she wants to pray for me, that is her choice and I do not take offense as it is her way of showing she cares for me. By the same token, when she is in need, I help her in anyway I can as I care for her also.
I don’t demand anything as I beleive in taking care of myself. I don’t really know of any athiest organizations, maybe because we tend not to organize, but I can assure you that I have volunteered with and donate to many organizations who’s cause is good, I have fed the poor, helped out in disasters, read to the elderly, and worked with children just to name a few. Unlike you, I would help anyone in need regardless of their beliefs.
My beleif is pretty much live and let live, You don’t offend me and I don’t understand why I offend you.
Ann on February 6, 2007 at 6:53 PM
It seems they moved, so why harp on it? Why are people offended when others are offended by their atheistic views? I guess I’m more agnostic, but it doesn’t offend me when folks talk of Jesus or god or whatever. Maybe I’m the weird one?
As for Haggard, well…I’m completely sure he’s lying.
SouthernGent on February 6, 2007 at 6:58 PM
Enrique, please accept my response in the manner of an honest answer to an honest opinion.
1. I treat other people as God commands that I treat them, NOT because I want them to like me, and here is why. My existence is meant to please God, not myself, or the other person. Doing good pleases Him, for which he blesses me.
2. If I operate according to your words (which I am NOT criticizing, they are good enough words), some people will still not like me, and my emotionally-based efforts are unrequited. Many, many, many bad choices in many lives have come from just exactly that cause.
3. Your quote “I’m doing this because otherwise Jesus won’t like me” is a mischaracterization. Jesus never doesn’t like or love us, no matter what we do. Disappointment and chastisement may occur, but not loss of affection. My children know for certain that their occasional disobedience won’t end my affection for them, even if it does bring consequences. Samo-samo with God toward us.
4. We can all argue that different people have a wide range of opinions about what is good, what is evil, and where the lines are drawn. Christians choose to follow a known standard in those regards, minimizing the difficulties that clashing opinions can generate. Now, we all also know that Christians are still human, and all too often forget those commitments in favor of the fleshly emotion-based appetites and desires. That’s a mistake on our part, not God.
Haggard made the evening news because he ignored his Lord and chose his own flesh’s wants.
He stands at the door and knocks, Enrique. Give that knob a tug, and see what happens.
Freelancer on February 6, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Truth be told, I’m more agnostic myself.
Ann on February 6, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Thanks for your response. I never said you offended me, go back and read my posts. I specifically state people who are in need (not who believe) as ones that are most grateful. You are putting words into my posts that were not there. That I do resent. I never said the hospitals, etc. were for believers, once again you put words in my post that are not there. Read it again, I said they have an option not to use it, and maybe even an obligation to their beliefs. I am glad that you volunteer, every person I talk to volunteers, every person who posts volunteers, and once again you said “unlike me” you put more words in my posts than were there. You have a large hill to climb if you are going to start comparing what you have done to help society, and what someone you know nothing about (besides your misstatements) has done. I am beginning to think that you spend more time making up stories of Christians who are intolerant, than actually exist. The reason athiest do not organize, is because they have no reason to. The reason Christians build hospitals, schools, relief organizations is because they have a calling to do so, and we do not shut the door on anyone…but then you know that because you have used our hospitals and schools.
You do not offend me, except when you post inaccurate statements to me, which was most of your post. Read my last statement starting with BTW, it was aimed at you.
right2bright on February 6, 2007 at 7:13 PM
Unfortunately, I don’t think Haggard has considered this. Pray for his salvation.
PRCalDude on February 6, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Lame.
vcferlita on February 6, 2007 at 8:24 PM
The atheists in the video are wrong.
The absolute last group of people that it is considered all right to make fun of is Southerners.
JadeNYU on February 6, 2007 at 8:49 PM
Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot would be pleased. [/wink]
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 9:04 PM
I suspect he hasn’t considered a great many things.
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Does it matter in the long run? I would think that the real issue is his being factually challenged towards those he deals with, beginning at home and extending to those with whom he conducts business with.
He is, however, addicted to headlines and being in the limelight. Perhaps a career in show business……
Emmett J. on February 6, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Thank you for posting a reasoned argument. While your logic is sound, it seems we will just have to agree to disgaree over what we accept as fact.
Lawrence on February 6, 2007 at 9:13 PM
I so object (aka: am opposed to) how someone’s disasterous personal life is cannon fodder for people who take glee in being able to say Hyprocrite. Am I take it that you all are perfect or is that you dont even pretend to have a standards to fail reaching?
VinceP1974 on February 6, 2007 at 9:16 PM
whereas the man has ALWAYS been a “complete embarassment”
There, AllahP. Fixed that for ya’. No need to thank me. Just bein’ neighborly.
(BTW, am I surprised by this sorta’ scandal in the leadership of the evangelical community? Not at all. Go ahead. Call me a cynic, if you like.)
CyberCipher on February 6, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Ppppffffttt. Allahpundit doesn’t scare me one whit. His positions on the issues seem, for the most part, unremarkably rational and predictable. If it weren’t for the fact that he 1) possesses a risqué sense of humor, 2) loves to post threads/topics that provoke the “religious community”, and 3) just might have a generally snarky attitude — he’d be in danger of becoming downright tedious, dull, and boring.
Wanna’ know who scares me? Soothsayer… now THERE’S a participant that scares me. Scares the bejeebies outta’ me, if the truth be told. Not really sure what that one is capable of. If there ever was a reason for atheists (like AllahP) to be afraid of Christians, now THERE’S an understandable reason. Be afraid Mr. AllahPundit. Be VERY afraid.
CyberCipher on February 6, 2007 at 10:41 PM
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