Report: Border Patrol agent brutally beaten by illegals in prison
posted at 11:36 pm on February 5, 2007 by Allahpundit
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First I threw you the Dungy video, now I’m tossing chum in the water about the convicted BP officers. See how shamelessly I pander to you guys when some of our commenters call for me to be replaced with other, more popular bloggers?
The assault occurred at 10:00pm Saturday night (2/3), apparentely following the airing of America’s Most Wanted. According to Ramos’ uncle:
“Nacho was assaulted Saturday night around 2200 by about five illegal immigrants. He has multiple and severe injuries. They put him in Isolation for now, he has not been allowed to see a doctor since Saturday. They were yelling at him in Spanish, Maten a la migra. which means kill the Border Patrol Agent.”
Another family member said Nacho was attacked after he fell asleep Saturday night. Assaulters went after him with repeated blows and kicks. Ramos suffered wounds to his back, shoulder, arms and head. There is concern that Agent Ramos was not given medical treatment after the incident and may not have received medical attention for up to 48 hours. An investigation is expected to be launched Tuesday.
Let me see if I have this right. We have a guy in jail who’s not only a police officer but whom members of the president’s base regard as a political prisoner wrongfully convicted as part of some murky executive-branch vendetta against border enforcement. And not only does the prison staff not isolate him from the general population, not only do they not take special precautions to protect him, not only do they not treat him after he’s brutally beaten, but, it’s suggested, they actually let the prisoners watch the episode of America’s Most Wanted in which he’s identified. All this, knowing that Bush himself is already being pressured to pardon these guys and would catch holy hell if something happened to them, especially if it involved convicts who were here illegally.
Now, I ask you — would Bush’s people really be that incompetent?
Answer: quite possibly, yeah.
Update: Like a moth to a flame, Jerome Corsi is on the case:
“‘What happened?’” Monica Ramos said she asked her husband. “He told me they were in the television room watching ‘America’s Most Wanted.’ After that, some time after 10 p.m., he went back to his cubicle and was almost falling asleep. He awoke to the sound of shoes stomping. It startled him because at night the prisoners are supposed to take their shoes off and put flip-flops on.”
She continued: “He said he didn’t have a chance to turn around and look at any of the guys attacking him at that time. He just felt a blow to the back of his head. The prisoners were kicking him with steel-toe shoes, the work boots they are issued in prison. They kept kicking and kicking. And they kept calling him in Spanish a **** immigration officer, saying ‘darle, darle,’ which means, ‘give it to him.’ They were cussing him out in Spanish. He couldn’t fight back he was outnumbered.”
According to Loya, Ramos also said of the attack: “They kicked me in the head, they kicked me all over the body. I’m all bruised and very sore.”
How did the attack stop?
“No security came to his rescue,” the jailed Border Patrol agent’s wife told WND. “Another inmate came and got Ramos and said ‘Hey, dude, let me help you up.’ The other inmate walked my husband over to security.”
Did the prison give him any medical treatment?
“As of the time we talked this afternoon, the prison still hadn’t given him any medical treatment,” she said, adding that he told her, “‘I asked all day yesterday.’ I’m in a lot of pain and I have blood coming out of my left ear.’
They kicked him in the head with steel-toe boots, hard enough to make him bleed from the ears 36 or so hours later, and he still hasn’t received medical treatment? My skepticism is mounting.
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Oh good grief. I hate to break it to you but a “rebuttal” from NBPC - a union affiliated with the AFL-CIO - isn’t much of a substitute for sworn testimony. If Juarez’s testimony was a lie and as easily disproved as this, then the Defense Attorneys would have easily made mincemeat of it. Looks like they didn’t.
So, were the Defense Attorneys just inept or were they on the take, too?
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Once again, Gregor posts excerpts of other blogs to boost his argument. Weak.
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 2:08 PM
And your news stories and Sutton’s fact sheet somehow are a good substitute for sworn testimony (which, we will remind you for the 1000th time, is still not available for public inspection)?
Pot - Kettle - Black.
thirteen28 on February 6, 2007 at 2:09 PM
1328, this is why its weak….
That is in a letter by the father-in-law of Agent Ramos. His “opinion” has little to do with the law nor the content of the trial. Gregor is welcome to believe it. But please don’t try to use this as proof that Juarez was an unreliable witness.
GT on February 6, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Really, arguing with GT is like trying to convince Juan Hernandez that there’s a problem on the border. GT is not really believing what he says. He posts comments such as this, immediately after the same point had already been answered. He just ignores one side of the argument and continues on his blind path of BLS (Bush Lover Syndrome).
Maybe you missed it the first time …
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Of course, GT uses the testimony of the illegal alien drug smuggler as proof that the Border Patrol Agents are unreliable witnesses.
And he ignores jurors who claim the trial was a sham, on the basis that the jurors can’t be trusted, but we’re to somehow accept a jury verdict of guilty as “trustworthy.”
GT is the master of irony.
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 2:19 PM
GT …
Are you from Texas? Do you personally know, or have any connection to any of the parties involved in this case, no matter how remote?
Just curious.
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 2:21 PM
Why does Eric keep telling everyone he knows how it went down and that the transcripts are available… yet he refuses to provide links?
RightWinged on February 6, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Same reason the other three people keep saying the illegal did not have a gun, even though the illegal escaped into Mexico and it’s completely impossible to know if he did or didn’t have a gun.
They just lie.
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 2:32 PM
Getting weaker, Gregor.
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Am I? I don’t find an answer to my questions in that response.
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Sworn testimony which you were not present to actually hear. Correct? And it would be safe to assume,that there were members of NBPC present in the courtroom to actually HEAR the testimony and who witnessed the trial with their own eyes. Correct?
So, who’s “opinion” would be more likely to be accurate? Your’s? Or someone who was actually in the courtroom?
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 2:40 PM
So if some of the jury doubts the conviction, they are without backbone now? WTF is that kind of thinking, GT? Well it’s hussein type of thinking.
OK GT , answer this one question for us all, please.
Since the BULLET removed from the illegals butt was NOT from either of the BP’s weapons, WHO SHOT the illegal? and WHEN??
shooter on February 6, 2007 at 3:05 PM
I think we’re all missing the bigger picture here and we’re stuck on the illegal alien part of the case.
We need to realize that the real issue is that the agents did not report the shooting.
Err … oh wait. They did. They reported it verbally to their supervisor.
But still … they picked up the shell casings when they weren’t supposed to!
So there you have it. Ten years in prison for reporting an event to your supervisor, but not doing the paperwork … and for picking up shell casings from a scene where nobody knew anyone had been shot.
But wait! What happened to the supervisor who they reported it to? Oh yeah. He got promoted.
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Please go back and read what I wrote and to whom about what.
I’ll make this is as simple as I can. Having been a jurist myself, it is my opinion that any jurist who believes that the accused is innocent yet agrees with the majority due to percieved pressure for whatever reason and votes to convict does not have a backbone.
Does this make it any clearer???
Prior to the trial, Ramos agreed with the prosecution in the presence of his lawyers that it was his bullet. End of story.
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM
Oh really? According to who? Sutton?
Again … were you there?
I note that you have still yet to answer my questions, so I’ll ask again …
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 3:21 PM
And how exactly does that disprove the assertion that he couldn’t have possibly seen the incident take place from his position north of the levee?
Again, you run from the pertinent facts of the case and instead try to throw in something that’s completely irrelevant. And you continue to fail utterly to acknowledge that the disputes over various facts cannot be resolved without the heretofore unreleased trial transcripts.
I guess those of us who would give the agents the benefit of the doubt should be thankful, because you are making the pro-prosecuction side of this case look retarded.
thirteen28 on February 6, 2007 at 3:29 PM
Yes. Crystal.
You apparently believe that two Border Patrol Agents should spend the next 10-12 years of their lives in prison as punishment to the jurors who “have no backbone.”
Never mind that they might be innocent. The jurors were scared and that’s just lame, so too bad.
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 3:36 PM
BTW, the AP is now picking up the story about the agent being beaten … for what it’s worth.
Hopefully they didn’t use Jamil Hussein as their source.
thirteen28 on February 6, 2007 at 3:38 PM
Still hearing crickets toward my questions to GT. I’m sure everyone else is drawing the same conclusion I am.
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 3:39 PM
I can see it coming. The illegal alien convict that Ramos identified will say it never happened, and Bush, Sutton, and GT will say “that’s good enough for me.”
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 3:52 PM
For that matter, I’m still hearing crickets waiting for EricPWJohnson to produce those transcripts that haven’t actually been released yet.
thirteen28 on February 6, 2007 at 3:53 PM
… and EricPWJohnson will say he read the official report of the matter.
thirteen28 on February 6, 2007 at 3:54 PM
Why the HELL are these guys in the main block with all the illegals? Why the HELL are they even in jail during the appeal? Wouldn’t an ankle bracelet a-la-child rapist accusees be appropriate here?
Boy the mexican mafia really has effed us in the ass. They’ve bought off the prison guards, half the border patrol, probably some of the jury, and maybe the judge. We’re like sitting ducks… Git yer slingshots!
NTWR on February 6, 2007 at 4:00 PM
He can’t. The court transcripts have not been transcribed - and it’s been 11 months since the trial. They do not exist anywhere. Not even Tony Snow can get them for the WH. What people have is “reports” from the prosecution. They are NOT transcripts. Just another example of Eric’s complete misunderstanding of the facts surrounding this case.
That is because he was told by the prosecution that the ballistics matched the bullet to his weapon. And since he had fired his weapon, he agreed. He thought the evidence proved it. He was lied to.
Redhead Infidel on February 6, 2007 at 5:22 PM
Yawn….Ok…..sorry to keep you waiting, Gregor. Some of us work for a living and don’t have as much free time to waste as you obviously do. Looks like some of you seem to think gangbanging is the way to win an argument.
So, where to begin….I guess I’ll start with the latest and work my way up as time permits.
Doesn’t say much for the Defense Attorneys does it.
Well, he was in solitary to begin with (as reported by Tammy Bruce 1/23/07) which is actually SOP in cases like this just for this reason. But, he and everyone who supports him did nothing but complain about it.
I bet you’d give Miss Cleo are real run for her money, wouldn’t you.
No, actually I believe that the Agents should go to jail for committing a felony. It would seem that the majority of jurists would agree at this point. As for the 10-12 years, you’ll have to take that up with Congress since they wrote the law. In fact, I’ll bet good money that the majority that support minimum sentencing are conservatives (of which I am one). Or, is that only until its inconvenient?
If I write a letter insisting that the sky is purple, does that make it true? It doesn’t. But that isn’t the point. It was Gregor who presented an excerpt of the letter as evidence that Juarez is a liar and not a credible witness.
You’ve simply succeeded in proving my point about it.
Uh…no. I’m not the one who brought it up. Gregor is. You’ll have to take it up with him.
To the contrary. In fact, if you are going to be intellectually honest you’ve just condemned Gregor & Co. for doing the vary thing you accuse me of. Congrats.
Hmmm…..I guess you really zinged me there, didn’t ya.
Actually I did answer. But since that flew over your head I’ll try to be more direct. Yes, I’m the double super secret Texan from Mexico, Agent 006.75, here to make sure Bush does everything in his power to imprison all BP agents and their conspirators.
Why not ask Mary Stillinger? She was. If Sutton lied in his public statements, why hasn’t she and the co-counsel responded by denying it?
Ok……its time for dinner.
Good luck kids. I hope you prove me wrong and that Bush has conspired with the Justice Department and Mexico to railroad these two agents.
G’night.
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 8:53 PM
John Walsh is someone I greatly respect. He did a piece on these agents on Saturday night on Americas Most Wanted in support of them. Any info available he has seen and wants them to be pardoned. I will go with his opinion on this. Bush and Chertoff are liars whose singular goal is to keep those borders open regardless of what the American people want. Bush is a tyrant , plain and simple.
Mellen on February 6, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Great job! Your most amazing response yet. All that babbling and you managed to avoid answering a single question.
How many times are you going to try that exact same line while ignoring the response you received from it? The defense is helpless if the judge does not allow their objections.
But you know that, right?
Nice. You just defeated your own argument. Last I checked, it takes a unanimous verdict. Of course, this doesn’t concern you at all. Three or four jurors calling it a sham trial after exiting the courthouse is probably due to nothing but fatigue, right? Maybe it’s all just a publicity stunt, like those cartoon terrorists. Good luck with that appeal after this mockery. Hopefully the agents manage to survive that long.
Funny. That’s exactly what you just did. Nobody is buying it. Well, maybe three of you.
How did he “prove your point” by telling you that what you wrote did not disprove he was a liar? Are you drinking?
Another brilliant comeback. Too bad she’s repeatedly spoken out against the “myths” of the case, and I’m sure you’ve been sitting right along with her wherever she goes, so you know that also.
Unless you have some connection to the case you’re not telling us about, I doubt you can know the details and the extent of Stillinger’s complaints.
Actually, you never did, and you know that. And you still haven’t.
Here’s you initial question and your response:
And nothing until now, when you wrote:
So you start out with a lie, and finish with another sarcastic non-answer.
Unfortunately I don’t have the knowledge to dig up the true identity of sock puppets like some of the other bloggers we’ve seen. It might be an interesting story if your true identity and your relationship to this case, or the people involved were to come out.
Finally …
First off, he shouldn’t have been in solitary to begin with.
Second, my nine year old son is smart enough to know that you wouldn’t put a Border Patrol agent into the same population as illegal alien drug smugglers. Do you think that would happen to a Texas State Trooper? Would they put a Texas State Trooper in with the same convicts they were responsible for locking up? Is my nine year old son smarter than you? It appears that he’s smarter than Bush. That is, if you believe there’s not more to this story.
How about answering the question GT? How about a simple yes or no answer?
Do you personally know anyone involved with this case, do you have any business or personal interest in the outcome of this case, or are you involved in this case in any way?
Why are you avoiding answering this question?
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 9:41 PM
You really need to seek professional help, Gregor. I’ll let you have the last word since its obvious that you can’t live without it.
G’Night.
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GT on February 6, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Mellen,
Hopefully they will stay on this story. There is an interesting feature on their website right now. It appears that Sutton contacted AMW to give his side of the story but they weren’t buying Sutton’s bs at all.
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=1369
Here’s the contact to let them know what you think( not the tip line ).
Perchant on February 6, 2007 at 10:02 PM
And thus, GT disappears into the night, once again avoiding the questions put to him and finishing it off with one last silly attempt at a smear.
I will put in that request for professional help.
Any bloggers out there have the professional PI ability to figure out just how close to Bush or Sutton GT happens to be?
Is that the type of professional help you were thinking of?
Gregor on February 6, 2007 at 10:07 PM
Interesting to see the latest article on WorldNetDaily about how the DHS IG admitted they lied about Ramos and Compean.
What else have they lied about?
91Veteran on February 6, 2007 at 10:18 PM
Thanks Perchant-I have registered my view with AMW. I hope this makes John Walsh start hammering Bush and the DHS on the intentionally pathetic efforts to secure the border.
Knowing how he feels about crime in general the huge numbers of criminal illegals being deported from CA prisons (thousands!)should serve as a wake-up call to everyone that they do not all come here for a” better life” . And irrespective of Teddy the Killer Kennedys’ view that they “work hard and play by the rules”, that is exactly what they do NOT do. They are not playing by the rules and the playing field is far from level, or on the level!They may play by “his rules”(drive someone into the drink and he sleeps well while she sits in an air bubble thinking he has gone for help?)Ah yes, the integrity of our elected representatives warms the heart!
Mellen on February 6, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Redhead infidel contact BigJolly over at Lonestartimes
Also, the Feds use CART system
Look it up!
On-time real-time translation of reporters key presses
Honestly - look it up see for yourself
I don’t provide links it gets tedious just as tedious as those who keep refering to this master conspiracy
EricPWJohnson on February 7, 2007 at 12:48 AM
I don’t find it too “tedious” to select a word, hit the link button, paste the URL in the box. It’s not rocket surgery. :-)
Here’s one now -
Take this with a bucket o’salt, as it’s WND, but it does make for interesting reading because would WND misquote congress critters this egregiously? I don’t think so.
But wait! There’s more!
Does this definitively prove these men got unfair trials? No, of course not. But the questions it raises need to be answered.
Laura on February 7, 2007 at 1:44 AM
Wow! Just WOW!
It doesn’t get any more slimey than that. And this is what we’re dealing with.
Gregor on February 7, 2007 at 2:58 AM
…as I said at the start of this post….. Idiot.
PinkyBigglesworth on February 7, 2007 at 3:19 AM
**********BREAKING NEWS**********
Congressman John Culberson (R-TX) announced today in Houston, TX that DHS-Inspector General Richard Skinner admitted that his deputy inspectors Lisa Redman and James Taylor as well as DHS congressional liaison Tamara Faulkner LIED to members of Congress about statements that are foundational to the prosecution’s case against Border Patrol agents Compean and Ramos.
The DHS inspectors claimed that the Border Patrol agents were “rogue cops” and that they had very damning sworn statements to that effect:
1. They knew that he was unarmed.
2. They knew that he was not a threat to them.
3. That they had said that morning that they were going to “go out and shoot them some Mexicans.”
Furthermore, the DHS officials promised Congress that they would produce those sworn statements for Congressional review. That was four and a half months ago. Since then, DHS has stalled and obfuscated every time the Congressional members wrote letters or made phone calls to collect those statements from DHS.
All three of those statements have now been proven as false. DHS-IG Skinner admitted yesterday that his deputies lied to Congress and that those sworn statements do not exist and that Congress had been “misled”.
Culberson has concluded that DHS deliberately lied to Congress and gave them false information in order to “throw them off the scent” of their investigation into the Border Patrol case. He said this is indicative of a large-scale cover-up inside of DHS, the Department of Justice, and the entire prosecution against Compean and Ramos. He and other Congressman will be announcing today their demand for a full investigation into the DHS cover-up and the immediate resignations of the DHS officials involved.
I’ll have more updates within a few hours, which I’ll post here, including the audio of John Culberson’s statements in Houston, TX. Stay tuned…
Redhead Infidel on February 7, 2007 at 9:04 AM
THAT is good news…..Bush is a tyrant. I am certain that the DHS is complying with his orders. He is more concerned that the borders remain wide open than he is with the situation in Iraq. He should be impeached!!
Mellen on February 7, 2007 at 9:41 AM
Allah, just as I sent you the breaking news about Ramos being beaten in prison, I sent you this breaking news as well.
Redhead Infidel on February 7, 2007 at 9:43 AM
These are not “rogue DHS inspectors”, however. They received their instructions from higher up. It will be a lovely piece of irony when they are offered immunity.
Still having fun?
Perchant on February 7, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Yep. You guys are getting nuttier by the minute from the looks of it. The group-think is very entertaining.
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GT on February 7, 2007 at 11:09 AM
Yeah, I guess to some it is entertaining to watch BILLIONS of their taxes go towards millions of illegal lawbreakers. Those same lawbreakers especially think it is funny. They are laughing at all of you as they swarm the country without firing a shot!Stupid Americans -why, they didn’t even need a Trojan horse…. Who knew you could take over a country by just showing up!!!Funny stuff…..thanks to the tyrant in chief!!
Mellen on February 7, 2007 at 11:20 AM
GT, I’m curious. What do you make of the fact that DHS has been lying about this case ALL ALONG?
Redhead Infidel on February 7, 2007 at 11:27 AM
We’re not talking about dirty cops - never have been - this has always been about DIRTY POLITICS.
Redhead Infidel on February 7, 2007 at 11:44 AM
It turns out that high level homeland officials lied to 5 Congressmen (this morning on the Bill Handel show) about this case. It’s getting curiouser and curiouser by the day, from all sides.
Entelechy on February 7, 2007 at 12:02 PM
GT doesn’t care. As evidenced by his refusal to answer the questions I put to him, he is connected in some way to the parties involved in this trial. Whether it’s to the Bush administration, Johnny Sutton, or some illegal immigrant of drug smuggling group … GT is defending something more than just his opinion.
Gregor on February 7, 2007 at 12:03 PM
But yet, with all of this … there are some such as Allah, GT, and others who call us nutjobs for believing there’s an under the table agenda that has to do with Mexico.
You have to wonder if they actually believe what they say, or if there’s some other reason they continue to ignore, or worse, purposely bury something so obvious by using ridicule.
Gregor on February 7, 2007 at 12:07 PM
An intelligent question! Hurray!!!
My take is that I don’t know all the facts yet. I’m going to do what the AP should have done. I’m not going to take the word of just one source. I’m going to want independent verification from multiple sources. Please note that independent verification is different than one blog parroting another.
Now, I know thats not the answer you want to hear so I’ll indulge you. Lets assume the story is accurate.
1) Does what Skinner told the congressmen have any direct bearing on the testimony told at the trial (i.e. - did they say it under oath before the judge and the jury)? If so, then Skinner ought to take Ramos and Compean’s place in jail and serve out their term for them.
2) If what Skinner told the congressmen was a lie but was not part of any sworn testimony in the Ramos-Compean trial, then I think Skinner should be brought up on charges assuming that he broke any laws
and share a cell with Ramos and Compean.
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GT on February 7, 2007 at 12:26 PM
Gregor,
Thank you for your continued efforts in reaffirming my heart felt belief that you are a nut. I hope you have a wonderful day.
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GT on February 7, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Hmmm…so maybe that’s why Allah won’t attribute me…
Redhead Infidel on February 7, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Thank you for actually answering my comment with affirmation of my point. Which would be this one:
You make it far too easy.
Gregor on February 7, 2007 at 12:44 PM
As opposed to calling people idiots and dipshits.
Oooooohkay.
Your a parody of yourself and don’t even know it. Hahahahaha!
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GT on February 7, 2007 at 1:14 PM
Is this another attempt at spreading lies GT? Can you please point out a single comment I’ve ever posted in which I called someone an “idiot” or a “dipshit?”
It’s never happened.
Gregor on February 7, 2007 at 1:21 PM
I’ve updated my post with the audio of Congressman John Culberson’s revelation this morning of the DHS cover-up. (See Update #3 in my original post.)
This is a first-hand account, not someone who heard it from someone else. Will that satisfy you as an appropriate source, GT?
Redhead Infidel on February 7, 2007 at 1:55 PM
More lies from US Attorney John Sutton:
1. It has not been proven that the drug smuggler was unarmed. Sutton has been unable to prove it, yet he states it like it’s a fact.
2. Compean and Ramos DID NOT LIE about shooting the drug smuggler. They didn’t know that they had until almost a month later!
3. The DID NOT try to “cover it up”. They verbally reported to their superiors that they fired their weapons.
4. They DID NOT destroy evidence. Sutton has been harping on this because he claims that the site of the shooting was a “crime scene” and that the BP agents knowingly altered the scene of the crime by picking up their shell casings. That is FALSE. The agents, including the agents that were with them at the time of the shooting, did NOT designate the area a crime scene, since they did NOT know that the drug smuggler had been shot.
JOHNNY SUTTON IS A BALD-FACED LIAR.
Redhead Infidel on February 7, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Unless said one source is a Mexican drug smuggler, of course.
Who gives a fuck what Homeland Security openly admits?
Really, I’m in awe of anybody even bothering to reply to GT’s blather anymore. He has, so far, not answered a single question put to him, but he’s pretty good at what we used to call “trolling” in my USENet days.
YHBT. HAND. HTH.
Misha I on February 7, 2007 at 4:00 PM
Right here sunshine….Gregor on January 31, 2007 at 6:47 PM link
Hmmmm….now what does that make you?
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Not answered a single question? I’m sorry. What was that you quoted me saying? Seriously, am I dealing with 12 year olds here?
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Much better! And what did I say to you should happen to Skinner if proved true? Are you going to support me on that - yes or no?
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GT on February 8, 2007 at 7:57 AM
Beautiful. You really do think we’re all stupid. You link to this exact same thread, which was posted on Feb 5th. I guess you just assumed nobody would actually follow the link?
And there’s no post on Jan 31st that includes any of the comments you’re suggesting were made. GT stil lying. You’re a professional, aren’t you?
Gregor on February 8, 2007 at 9:54 AM
You make this sooo easy…
I do wish you’d grow up.
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GT on February 8, 2007 at 10:19 AM
And by the way Gregor, this is what separates me from you. If I make a mistake I’ll admit it. I screwed up coding the link and didn’t catch it. The link should have read this….
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/29/andy-mccarthy-unloads-on-agents-in-border-patrol-shooting/#comments
The fact is that you did use the word and now you deny it. So, did you make an honest mistake or did you lie?
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GT on February 8, 2007 at 10:33 AM
GT …
Wow! You got me! I’m guilty! I guess I used the word … A WEEK AGO.
Yes, that’s embarrassing, but I’m not sure which is more embarrassing. Me not remembering using the word “dipsh!t” or you whining and moaning about an insult that was thrown at you immediately AFTER you threw THIS at me:
Pot. Kettle. Black.
I appreciate you helping me out like that by including your own quote in your comment.
It’s also a little scary that you would remember a single word from a post from January 31st, AND THEN bring it up a week later as if I had just said it.
Gregor on February 8, 2007 at 10:55 AM
So, instead of apologizing like a man for lying, you whine about my having a fairly decent memory; and telling you that you aren’t nearly as smart as Ms. Malkin and equate that with foul language.
Like I said, you really need to grow up.
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GT on February 8, 2007 at 12:15 PM
Right GT. I lied. I lied because I didn’t happen to remember using a word in a post over a week ago that your comment implied was used in the conversation which we were having at the time. Who lied? I apologize for not remembering that I once used a certain word in an entirely different conversation.
As for you relating this to Michelle Malkin. It’s interesting that the conversation you brought up was one in which I pointed out that you had labeled Michelle a nutjob by giving that label to people who happen to share her views. You basically call Michelle Malkin a nutjob, and then somehow feel that my agreeing with her indicates that I have a “quarter of the intelligence she has.”
That’s probably a true statement, however it’s still an odd time for you to point it out. Especially since you are bashing every belief she has. So, if I have a quarter of the intelligence that Michelle has, yet I agree with her, and you call her a nutjob … what does that say about you? Would that mean you have 1/16th the intelligence as Michelle? I think that’s giving you too much credit.
As for this entire conversation … you’re very good at what you do, which is to lie, mislead, and twist facts and quotes to distract people from the truth. Notice how you’ve taken a single word that I said over a week ago and used it to divert the conversation away from the original topic, and the fact that you are a political hack who is in this thread for the sole purpose of posting disinformation.
“Disinformation”:
You’ve verified, by avoiding answering previous questions, that you have a connection to parties involved with this trial, or some other party which is somehow related. You are a biased, Bush loving, troll who has exactly three fans on this blog. Congrats.
Gregor on February 8, 2007 at 12:55 PM
But you were so emphatic…. “It’s never happened.”
You wouldn’t even entertain that idea that perhaps you might be wrong. Instead, you called me a liar.
Lets face it. You’re a hothead with the emotional maturity level of a 12 year old, IMHO.
Perhaps you’ll be more careful in calling other people liars in the future, but I doubt it.
Seeing as I never said that, you’re lying again, Gregor. You really should learn to control that. People might begin to realize the kind of person you really are. Now before you try to prove me wrong, I’m going to challenge you to show me where Ms. Malkin believes that Sutton & Co. are liars. If you can’t, then you’re no better than Skinner, right?
I’m sure Allah would find that amusing since he’s indicated his belief in their guilt thus far. Perhaps you can provide us with a link to any comments she’s made concerning the case. I haven’t found any. Perhaps you can. In the meantime, do you think its wise to speak for her?
Well, you certainly have it down to a science.
If that were the case, all you’ve done is prove how gullable and easily distracted you are.
What’s it like living in your fantasy world, Gregor? If I were directly involved in this case, do you really think I’d be wasting my time with you? Are you really that self-centered and arrogant? It sure looks like it.
Here. Let me help you out. I only respond to you because I find you entertaining and little else. Some questions are good questions such as the one Redhead Infidel asked concerning my thoughts on Skinner’s apparent dishonesty to the Congressmen. That was a good question. Asking me where I’m from is a stupid one because no matter what I answer, you’re only going to twist and spin it like you have everything else, nevermind the fact that question is irrelevant.
Have a good day.
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GT on February 8, 2007 at 3:07 PM
From Michelle Malkin:
Someone ought to tell the Bush administration that prisons are for criminals, not law-enforcement personnel trying to do their jobs. On Thursday, a federal judge in Texas sentenced two former Border Patrol agents to 11 and 12 years in prison because they shot at a drug smuggler who was evading arrest.
In February 2005, Border Patrol agent Jose Alonso Compean got in a scuffle with smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, who was driving a van that carried 743 pounds of marijuana. Agent Compean and fellow Agent Ignacio Ramos shot at Mr. Aldrete-Davila — they say they thought he had a gun, which Mr. Aldrete-Davila denies. Agent Ramos shot the smuggler in the butt, but because Mr. Aldrete-Davila kept running — across the border — they said they thought they did not hit him. The agents picked up their shells and failed to report the shooting. For that violation of agency policy, Agents Ramos and Compean deserved an administrative review and some sort of job-related punishment.
Instead, due to a case of blind and bloodthirsty federal prosecutorial overkill, Agents Ramos and Compean were sentenced to 11 years and 12 years, respectively. Oh, and the smuggler was granted immunity for the 743 pounds of pot and is suing the federal government for $5 million. Crime pays, while going after criminals can land you hard time in prison…
…I should note the feds had offered the agents one year in a plea bargain, the El Paso Times reported, but the agents preferred to go to trial. “They were innocent, why should they take it?” noted T.J. Bonner, president of the agents’ union, the National Border Patrol Council. “They trust in the system of justice, and it let them down.”
If these agents were gun-happy rogue enforcers, or if they were running a criminal operation, Mr. Sutton would be right to want to put them behind bars. But these are good guys with no other marks against them. Agent Ramos was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the year in 2005 — before the drug smuggler got his deal.
OOOOPS! I wonder why Michelle would write this post and include the text from Debra Saunders … if she didn’t AGREE WITH IT.
Strange stuff going on, huh GT?
Oh yeah? Now the situation is a bit reversed, isn’t it?
How about this comment:
Which of course, was in response to my comment that read:
Of course, you might notice the first part of this comment that I posted, which was a quote from link Michelle had written titled “Border Security Symbolism”. In the same post, Michelle wrote:
I rest my case. You called Michelle a tinfoil hatter.
Good job.
And I’ve called Allah out publicly on that subject, right here on this blog. Am I supposed to be cowering in fear now? Was that supposed to be something I didn’t already know?
No, you respond to me because you’re a troll and you feel you have to discredit anyone who might object to the government’s agenda on this by ridiculing them into submission. It’s apparently your job. It’s not working. Sorry.
But yet, by your previous comments which I’ve posted above … you’ve labeled Redhead Infidel a “tinfoil hat” wearer also.
You’re on a roll. Or is it … a troll?
Gregor on February 8, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Awww….poor Gregor.
I read Ms. Malkin’s post. Note that she didn’t spend any time accusing Bush of pulling strings to ensure the Agents’ conviction. She didn’t accuse Sutton of lying. She didn’t accuse the DoJ of railroading. You guys did. And for that, you get the Tinfoil Hat award, not Ms. Malkin which you so desperately tried to associate my comment with.
Nice try. But you got caught lying again and you’re trying to rationalize it away as you seem want to do. You’ve exposed yourself for what you are. A hothead and a liar.
The difference between you and Redhead is that he actually made an effort by providing real evidence to support his arguement. All you’ve provided is absurd vitriol, foul language and lies to anyone one who challenged your assertions.
I’ll let you have the last word on this thread. I know you can’t help yourself.
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GT on February 8, 2007 at 6:53 PM
LMAO!! You make me laugh GT.
Your instinctive ability to get the facts wrong is hitting on all cylinders.
Redhead Infidel is a female.
Say hello to Johnny Sutton for me, when you’re done running his bathwater.
Gregor on February 9, 2007 at 1:08 AM
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