Must read: U.S. troops say Iraqi army in Baghdad is filthy with JAM
posted at 10:09 pm on February 1, 2007 by Allahpundit
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[W]hile Iraq’s other main Shiite militia, the Badr Brigade, concentrated in 2005 on packing Iraqi intelligence bureaus with high-level officers who could coordinate sectarian assassinations, al-Sadr went after the rank and file.
His recruits began flooding into the Iraqi army and police, receiving training, uniforms and equipment either directly from the U.S. military or from the American-backed Iraqi Defense Ministry…
Al-Sadr’s gunmen got another boost in 2005 and 2006 when American commanders handed over many Baghdad neighborhoods east of the Tigris River to Iraqi units, transitions that often were accompanied by news releases that contained variations of the phrase “Iraqis in the lead.”…
In hindsight, many American officers said there was too much pressure to give Iraqi army units their own areas of operation, a process that left Iraqi soldiers outmanned, outgunned and easy targets for infiltration and coercion.
“There was a decision … that was probably made prematurely,” said Lt. Col. Eric Schacht, a 42-year-old battalion commander in east Baghdad from Glen Mills, Pa. “I think we jumped the gun a little bit.”
And now?
“Half of them are JAM. They’ll wave at us during the day and shoot at us during the night,” said 1st Lt. Dan Quinn, a platoon leader in the Army’s 1st Infantry Division, using the initials of the militia’s Arabic name, Jaish al Mahdi. “People (in America) think it’s bad, but that we control the city. That’s not the way it is. They control it, and they let us drive around. It’s hostile territory.”
This sounds familiar, too:
Amid recurring reports that al-Sadr is telling his militia leaders to stash their arms and, in some cases, leave their neighborhoods during the American push, U.S. soldiers worry that the latest plan could end up handing over those areas to units that are close to al-Sadr’s militant Shiite group.
“All the Shiites have to do is tell everyone to lay low, wait for the Americans to leave, then when they leave you have a target list and within a day they’ll kill every Sunni leader in the country. It’ll be called the `Day of Death’ or something like that,” said 1st Lt. Alain Etienne, 34, of Brooklyn, N.Y. “They say, `Wait, and we will be victorious.’ That’s what they preach. And it will be their victory.”
Quinn agreed.
“Honestly, within six months of us leaving, the way Iranian clerics run the country behind the scenes, it’ll be the same way here with Sadr,” said Quinn, 25, of Cleveland. “He already runs our side of the river.”
Exit question: what now?
Update (Bryan): In the interests of braking the panic that this story is creating a little bit, the troops at FOB Justice were candid with Michelle and I about the state of the Iraqi security forces. Are they “filthy with JAM?” In the case of the police, yes. In the case of the army, less so. That’s one of several reasons that the IA tends to be more effective and more trusted on the street than the police. The US troops on FOB Justice share their base with both Iraqi Army and police, both of which they are training, so they are in a position to know about the infiltration and to be aware of what can be done about it.
The fact is, our troops are attempting to create legitimate Iraqi security forces in the middle of a war, and in a country where security forces were an arm of Saddam prior to 2003. So history is against us being able to create hermetically sealed security forces from scratch. The war these forces are being stood up in the midst of includes a whole lot of factions who all have an interest in infiltrating the forces that we’re trying to stand up, so it shouldn’t be a total shock that they’re trying and in too many cases succeeding. The troops are the least shocked. That doesn’t mean that they don’t see infiltration as a problem; they do. But they’re aware of it, they’re not panicked by it as far as I can tell and they are working to weed out the bad guys. That takes time, something Congress seems increasingly of a mind not to grant.
The case of JAM is, as I’ve mentioned before, not as simple as the press usually makes out. Of the entire JAM militia, probably half are truly loyal to al-Sadr. The other half joined up for various reasons from needing the money to being threatened if they don’t join to having a grudge against Sunnis to wanting to tamp down local petty crime, etc. JAM isn’t a monolithic force in the way that Al Qaeda is, all joined by one ideal. There are factions within it, and those factions can be and are being exploited politically by the US forces. That also takes time. I will say that all the panic in Washington these days strengthens the hand of Sadr, since he seems to be on the winning side right now and everyone who chose to side with us seems to be on the losing side. The momentum right now is undoubtedly with the Sadrists, not because of the infiltration, but because anyone who is on the fence in Baghdad is being compelled by events to choose a side, and one side appears to be running away. The rational choice for an awful lot of people will be to join the side that is staying and looks like it will have a great deal of power after we’ve withdrawn. Had we stayed and not shown so much panic over the years, those who sided with us would be in a stronger position in Iraqi society than they may be in the coming months and years–if they survive that long.
None of this is to minimize the threat of militia infiltration into the ISF. But stories like the one above present the negative gotchas–see here, the whole Iraqi military is nothing but JAM–while leaving out the positive things our troops might have said about the ISF or how they see the infiltration being dealt with. The same troops at FOB Justice who were candid with us about JAM infiltration in the ISF also noted that some units are standing up fairly well and some are taking their missions very seriously and doing them well. You’ll hear about that in a bit more detail in tomorrow’s Vent, actually.
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We should have killed the bastard when we had the chance. What we do now is anybody’s guess.
Of course, the left will preen about how this is another Bush-Cheney-MacHalliburton quagmire. But the irony is that Bush flinched from whacking Mookie because someone convinced him that it would be better to play nice.
SWLiP on February 1, 2007 at 10:14 PM
This is very discouraging. Very discouraging.
I’m reminded of the movie Platoon. “We’ve been kicking ass for a long time. I figure it’s about time we got our asses kicked.”
Not good.
Dr. Gecko on February 1, 2007 at 10:16 PM
Okay, so our choices are: A. Stay until the violence dies down and then go home, after which there will be a chaotic blood bath that will undo everything we did; B. GTFO and let them wipe out those whacky Sunni kids now; C. Eat a pizza. I’m going for option C! Yay, pizza!
Savage on February 1, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Exit answer… kill Jaish al-Mahdi. That’s what the surge is for. Find em, fix ‘em, and f–k ‘em….
HerrMorgenholz on February 1, 2007 at 10:20 PM
This is what we get for fighting a “sensitive” war, and following PC standards, instead of just kicking ass the old fashioned way. Result? We’re screwed, they’re screwed, and the American public doesn’t have the stomach to clean it up. It’s over. Another clubbing in the slow death of American credibility and influence.
Scotsman on February 1, 2007 at 10:21 PM
O.K., we won the war but LOST the occupation!
Time to get our boys out. Who would ever have thought that these people were so beastial, backward and stupid. The populace doesn’t want to stand up and be counted? Too bad. Let’s get the hell out and leave them to it.
Then, we nuke Iran and see how far these crazies go. Let’s stop all aid of anykind everywhere. I’ve become a total isolationist. Damn the torpedoes…full speed ahead…home!!!
Then, what will the loons talk about? It’ll be fun to watch and listen to them squirming all over the place.
sharinlite on February 1, 2007 at 10:22 PM
This is the price of not taking out al-Sadr before. Can we still do so now? If the Iraqi Government gets behind it, possibly. If the Iraqi Government doesn’t, it is dooming itself.
Phil Byler on February 1, 2007 at 10:23 PM
The United States Army is smarter than you give it credit for. If you know this, through a news source, than they know it as well.
I’m in this for the short, medium, and long haul. As long as my college buddies remain in charge of the battalions over there, I believe we are winning for as long as we allow them to win.
CourtZero on February 1, 2007 at 10:28 PM
What do we do? Start helping the Sunnis. Not because we care about them, but because while the Sunnis and Shi’a are fighting one another, they’ll take the heat off of the West. Anything that weakens Islam is good for us. Our leaving may work out for the best in the end.
PRCalDude on February 1, 2007 at 10:28 PM
they need to take him out now and take the chances, I think we need to get the mafia in there to not only kill him but disappear him.
jp on February 1, 2007 at 10:29 PM
Patriquin plan and patience.
1) Get civilians in to do the relationship building. Per previous Hotair segments.
2) Get Iraqi civilians to tell us where the weapons are.
a. Improve the economy, get the oil flowing, give the Iraqis something to lose, then they’ll be more likely to tel us where the JAM are.
3) Find the weapons and get rid of them.
4) Weaken the Iraqi Army. I.E. fire them. Completely decentralize the power structure in Baghdad.
5) Weaken the central govt. We need low level officials that fear the people, and local police
6) Strengthen local police and full speed ahead with the Patriquin plan.
7) Kill Iranians in Iraq.
Exit question: How long until Democrats take the Patriquin plan and claim it as their own as if it has not been happening for months?
Theworldisnotenough on February 1, 2007 at 10:34 PM
too much pressure, gee I wonder why? could it be the polticizing of war?
jp on February 1, 2007 at 10:37 PM
what now?
Kill Mookie immediately
kill his superior officers immediately
Wipe out the Badr brigade
Defector01 on February 1, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Get Mookie.
Kid from Brooklyn on February 1, 2007 at 10:41 PM
What’s that going to accomplish? Rumor has it he can’t even control his own guys.
Allahpundit on February 1, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Remember folks.. we’ll be fighting this for decades. Anyone who thinks our world will be getting any less dangerous is deluded.
VinceP1974 on February 1, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Deal death or leave.
Babs and I got into a argument over ROE’s here the other night. I argued for caution. She argued for war. Babs was right. I was wrong. If it has a gun…kill it….bury it…move on. No questions, no excuses. If it is armed, kill it. If the U.N. doesn’t like it nail a horse head over the entryway.
Limerick on February 1, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Anyone who thinks Mookie is not in control of his forces is not paying attention. So, since we know him and all his key leaders, let’s find them and kill them. And kill everyone who tries to take their place. Find their hideouts in Iran and bomb them.
What am I talking about? Those pansies in DC will never let us win.
old_dawg on February 1, 2007 at 10:54 PM
Why not just kill al-Sadr?
Sydney Carton on February 1, 2007 at 10:55 PM
A must-read indeed…and quite disconcerting. I don’t know what you do with that. I do know there isn’t a short-term solution that will fix it. Also, the politicization of this war has got to stop (but it won’t). There’s all this complaining about “escalation! escalation! how dare you?” But, reading reports like this, I don’t see how there is any alternative but to dramatically escalate it. The only other alternative is to give up. This is a remarkable and historical challenge for our country and so many people have still yet to understand it. God help us.
CP on February 1, 2007 at 10:58 PM
What is JAM? I know PB
Wade on February 1, 2007 at 11:03 PM
What now?
We do what all great armies have done in the middle of a war that has to be won.
THEY ADAPT! And we continue to adapt until the bad guys give up or are dead.
The traitors are lined up on a wall and shot. PERIOD!
csdeven on February 1, 2007 at 11:05 PM
Reality check….
Of course not, they live their, their children go to schools, wives shop at markets, they have to go to church…..
Since the American and coalition forces were not allowed to fight and win, this is the result, and it will be, time and time again.
When we had Mookie held up in the Mosque those precious years ago, while he was beheading and torturing men, women, and children….. someone gave the order not to turn the building into dust.
Who was that person. Who effected policy to the point that ensures that we are seen as on the verge of leaving without a victory, are weak and don’t use our firepower to have what it takes to win, and are seen as if you only appease them, they can get trained, armed, funded, and provided critical intelligence on all fronts? Who was that person, media outlet, panell, congressional delegation, panel of senators, commission???
How has the words and actions, for political gain in this country, affected, changed, and molded what is going on in that country?
If the roles were reversed, and you had a family to keep safe, wanted to do what was right, but were getting mixed signals from every direction, all knowing two blocks away was someone that will cut off your head if you look twice at them, and your “friends” were unwilling to kill them………..
What would you do?
Once you understand that, then you can start to figure out how to win this, give the Iraqi Army and Police a backbone, and reduce our footprint in that theater, only to move on to the next.
Take the gloves off. They only respect the strong. In the beggining it was “Shock and Awe”, and we all saw how fast the inital battles were one. Once they realized Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry were calling the shots….. we have our situation as of today.
Take and keep the gloves off.
PinkyBigglesworth on February 1, 2007 at 11:22 PM
Hi dawg, while I agree this makes mookie an attractive target, as a friend, you might want to pad your argument if you’re going to take on two moderators simultaneously.
Buck Turgidson on February 1, 2007 at 11:34 PM
I would love to know where you got this rumor. We have heard Mullah Atari is a wholly owned subsidiary of Iran. Perhaps killing him would do more harm than good in that killing the leader of your enemy is a bad idea if that leader is a moron.
If that is the case Bush & Co. are playing 3 level chess, again. But that seems less and less likely to me. So I am inclined to the cut off the head of the snake camp.
Bill C on February 1, 2007 at 11:40 PM
I think Bryan’s trying to make a point that will not be popular with some conservatives. Namely, that if we are going to win in Iraq, Americans are going to have to resolve ourselves to a long-term, open-ended commitment.
The problems in Iraq did not develop overnight, and they will not be solved overnight. Once we can make the Iraqis understand that terrorist attacks on U.S. forces are not going to cause us to bug out, such attacks will stop. But the possibility of a politically-motivate bugout is an open incitement to further attacks. Which is why the “non-binding resolution” will cause the deaths of a certain number of U.S. troops.
Ali-Bubba on February 2, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Exactly what I’m saying, Vince. And we might as well fight it in Iraq rather than “redeploy” to fight it elsewhere.
In warfare, it is always dangerous to surrender the initiative to the enemy. Even if you think the invasion of Iraq was unnecessary or ill-advised, a U.S. retreat from Iraq now would be a huge strategic blunder. There is no other theater in which we could expect to engage the enemy on more favorable terms.
Ali-Bubba on February 2, 2007 at 12:20 AM
When it comes down to it, nobody in Congress will have the resolve to pull the plug on Iraq. Not after what Congress did to cut funds in Vietnam, which led to a massacre.
Even if all things were perfect, the US will be in Iraq for the next decade at least.
As for McClathy news sources, I am dubious. I don’t dismiss the notion that JAM is all over the Iraqi police forces and in the Iraqi army. But, I am confident that Petraeus is no fool.
Captain America on February 2, 2007 at 12:23 AM
Jeeze, Allah, I don’t know what to think. One day the bad guys are running away, won’t fight. The next day they’re infiltrating, back stabbing, murderous .
The whiplash is making my neck hurt.
It doesn’t help my bipolar disorder, either.
rockhauler on February 2, 2007 at 12:43 AM
I agree with the long term scenario. After all, the Muslim Jihadists have been fighting this war against all non-Muslims for 1300 years. Why would this century be any different?
America falls into the “not knowing your enemy” catagory. Let’s get smart people. We could start by actually identifying who the enemy is.
Mojave Mark on February 2, 2007 at 12:47 AM
We take out saddam and zarqowie pops up. We take out zarqowie and mookie pops up. Blow up the mookster and what next, ramsi al-kaboom sunni? I think Laura Ingraham referred to this as” the whack-a-mole game.” While it’s tempting to consider carpet bombing or throwing up our hands, maybe since Iran wants a proxy war so bad, lets just focus on whacking one more mole?
Buck Turgidson on February 2, 2007 at 12:52 AM
I wouldn’t give us six months if this story is true. Pull back to back-up Saudis with Sunnis against Shi’a Iran.
laelaps on February 2, 2007 at 12:54 AM
This story goes a long way to explaining what the chanting at the gallows was all about. That’s when I realized mook was the government now.
Buck Turgidson on February 2, 2007 at 1:15 AM
kill the bad guys, shut up, kill more and talk less..
retired on February 2, 2007 at 1:18 AM
Has anyone ever heard of this news source? I know that anytime allah reads anything negative he’s ready to declare defeat but I’d like to know a little more about the news source before I hide under my bed.
Capitalist Infidel on February 2, 2007 at 1:25 AM
Thanks Bryan for your update. Put a little perspective in the post that the Pundit Allah didn’t.
LurP on February 2, 2007 at 1:34 AM
I’d much rather they be out of control without him, than with him.
A drastic action is needed, soon. These monsters respect nothing more than strengths.
Also, Iraq needs a new leader, if Maliki doesn’t have his heart into being a strong one.
The Sadr leaders heading to Iran’s mountains is just to buy time. Better to get rid of him and let them fear a return. The U.S. and Iraqi Soldiers should put the word out that anything Iranian will be executed. Then materialized, not just droned about.
Entelechy on February 2, 2007 at 1:39 AM
It’s a Shia dominated country. The Sunni refuse to accept majority rule. What would we do if we were the Shia? If a 20% minority in the US were doing what the Sunni are doing we’d be as ruthless as they are. The biggest mistake we’ve made over there is not getting out and letting the Shia do what needs to be done a long time ago. It’s time to pull back, not surge and the Sunni will cave in to the majority or be killed or driven into Syria. It’s useless to say we want democracy then oppose the majority.
Patrick H on February 2, 2007 at 1:57 AM
Let it degrade into all out civil war, then let it spill over into every country in the region and when enough blood has been spilled perhaps these f*ckers will finally come to their senses and grow up.
It might hit us at the pump for a bit but who the hell cares anymore?
kiakjones on February 2, 2007 at 1:57 AM
I am a big fan of the Prophet of Pessimism. Oh, that Allah had been in the room when folks were predicting a cakewalk in Iraq and the spontaneous outbreak of classical democracy in Athens-on-the-Tigris.
On the other hand, it’s SNAFU. So what? On D-Day, 4ID landed more than a mile south of their target. Teddy Roosevelt Jr. said, “OK, we start the war from here.”
The American soldier has triumphed in situations worse than Iraq 2007. Quit yer bitchin’ and lets kill the enemy.
Ali-Bubba on February 2, 2007 at 3:46 AM
I am a big fan of the Prophet of Pessimism. Oh, that Allah had been in the room when folks were predicting a cakewalk in Iraq and the spontaneous outbreak of classical democracy in Athens-on-the-Tigris.
On the other hand, it’s SNAFU. So what? On D-Day, 4ID landed more than a mile south of their target. Teddy Roosevelt Jr. said, “OK, we start the war from here.”
The American soldier has triumphed in situations worse than Iraq 2007.
Ali-Bubba on February 2, 2007 at 3:46 AM
Running an army, of any sort, is an expensive venture. Follow the money. Mookie is proppoed up by Iran. Stop the flow of cash for starters. Hopefully these guys are there to put a stop payment on the checks.
UPSIDE: No money means unhappy “soldiers”, unhappy soldiers go home or
DOWNSIDE:….join another crackpot islamo-outfit that pays.
Alden Pyle on February 2, 2007 at 6:25 AM
I hope that is part of Bush’s plan with this surge.
Perhaps someone can explain why Mookie hasn’t been found. Its not like he’s hiding in a hole out in a farm somewhere.
.
GT on February 2, 2007 at 7:39 AM
I really believe we handed the country back far too soon. By staying and setting up permanent bases (to later be used by Iraqis) infrastructure and training, we could influence more and more of the Iraqis. Even JAM would come around eventually. Leaving a small footprint is harming not only America but the Iraqis as well.
oakpack on February 2, 2007 at 8:45 AM
I’m beginning to believe that they don’t want freedom/democracy. Did we make a huge miscalculated error? I honestly don’t know what the answer is now. My baby is about to turn 6 and I think he’ll end up in Iraq, or Iran for that matter. I have a feeling we’ll be there for the next 20 years.
pullingmyhairout on February 2, 2007 at 9:03 AM
We will be fighting this war for 14 more years. That’s guaranteed. There are still plenty of Iraqis who want to live in peace and who want order. That is what we represent in Iraq and that is our definition of victory. Pulling out and letting chaos thrive is just what our enemies want. In that enviroment they can shape Iraq into whatever they want. Most probably a broken state controlled by radical Islamists of the Sunni and Shiite persuasion both giving the US trouble.
Just remember- we leave Iraq and the Islamists will have their resources freed up to attack Afghanistan. This is all one long war and we better be ready to fight it.
Bill C on February 2, 2007 at 9:30 AM
5…4…3…2…1
KelliD on February 2, 2007 at 10:26 AM
And it’s going on in Lebanon, Israel and a zillion other places, not just Iraq and Afghanistan.
Eventually, Iran will make a move so overt that we can’t pretend we didn’t see it, and then this will come to a close. Unless we just surrender.
Pablo on February 2, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Really? Nice. I’d like to see a lot more of that sort of thing in the Dar al-Islam.
Kralizec on February 2, 2007 at 11:59 AM
It’s so much less trouble to kill your enemies than to try to help them.
Kralizec on February 2, 2007 at 12:00 PM
I’m not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic.
pullingmyhairout on February 2, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Exactly.
PRCalDude on February 2, 2007 at 12:25 PM
I agree but tell that to the new Congress and those Americans who voted them into office.
Yakko77 on February 2, 2007 at 12:26 PM
Who the hell wants to get out of Iraq? After all that we’ve gone through over there, you don’t think that we’ve earned the right to establish a few super-bases from which we can project American power & interest in the area? (Remember our friends the Saudis threw us out of state of the art facilities in the hingdom.)
Whether our political leadership has the brains and stones to recognize & protect what American interests are is a different question altogether.
Iraq is only a point on the map and a starting point for the war on terror. Sooner or later the fight before us will take us to different locales but we really have no choice but to wage war.
I am grateful that we have the opportunity to kill our enemies everyday & in such large numbers.
What this war needs is leaders who will give our forces everything they need especially the political will to win, that’s a fact.
thegreatbeast on February 2, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Then:
Take up the White Man’s burden–
The savage wars of peace–
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest,
The end for others sought;
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.
- Rudyard Kipling, from “The White Man’s Burden”
Now:
You can lead a people to representative government and civil society, but you cannot make them believe in it. That, they have to accomplish on their own. Whether the Iraqis will rise to the challenge of building a stable democracy is anyone’s guess, but so far - except for the Kurds in the north - the signs aren’t encouraging.
I’ve been in favor of “draining the swamp” in the middle east, but it seems the error we’ve been making is that we never really seemed to want to take ownership of the swamp. In Iraq, there’s always been a “rushed” feeling about the post-war transition: we’ve been so determined not to look like “neo-colonialists” that we tried to build a civil government before we’d completely crushed the Baathist holdouts, the al Qaeda jihadis and the Al Sadr-style thugs.
Try raising the frame of a house before you’ve let the concrete foundation dry. That’s what we’re doing in Iraq, and to a slightly lesser degree in Afghanistan.
By comparison, we did take ownership over formerly Nazi Germany and formerly Militarist Japan in 1945 and didn’t hand the reins back to the locals until the 1950s. We took the time necessary to restore law and order, thorougly weed out the bad actors from the old regimes, and only then did we entertain restoration of civil governance.
One approach worked. The other hasn’t so far.
What I’m afraid is going to happen is that we’ll continue to lose our political will until we throw up our hands in disgust and quit the place. Then everything’s going to go back to hell again, and the consequences will once again reach our shores.
And then we’ll end up with “Gulf War III.” Only this time the Iranians will have nukes, and we won’t want to commit ground troops again, so … well, let your imaginations roam.
Spurius Ligustinus on February 2, 2007 at 12:43 PM
On September 8, 1870, the American Civil War general Philip Sheridan told the future German chancellor Otto von Bismarck that the proper strategy in wartime “consists in the first place in inflicting as telling blows as possible upon the enemy’s army, and then causing the inhabitants so much suffering that they must long for peace, and force their Government to demand it. The people must be left with nothing but their eyes to weep with over the devastation of the war.”
For those who might have forgotten, General Sheridan was the man who burned and razed the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. His destructive march was lesser known than Sherman’s. However, his name is still despised by some here, to this day. That said, there has been no insurgency in the Old Dominion.
TugboatPhil on February 2, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Tom Lasseter cherry-picked negative comments from a couple of soldiers and didn’t present any other view. I am assuming that Allah was unaware that this pretty much describes the entirety of Tom Lasseter’s output. Lasseter interviews the soldiers he finds reading Chomsky.
If Tom Lasseter ever has anyone saying anything even remotely positive about Iraq, it would not only be a must-read, it would be a likely forgery.
Karl on February 3, 2007 at 12:27 AM
All this fighting about the family-gang-succession (Shi’ite v. Sunni) over the spoils of conquest by a pedophile warlord from the 7th century.
Makes me think the majority of Muslims are world-historical idiots.
Or is it just the cradle to grave brainwashing?
Mohammad was an illiterate murderer who stole whatever Judeo-Christian religious trappings he could get his mitts on to sucker his neighbors into looting the other neighbors.
1350 years later, these morons are still trying to divide the Muslo-Mob’s gains.
We need to make them an offer they can’t refuse:
Calm down, or be buried.
If they just stewed peacefully in their tribal idiocy, who would care? Who cared, until they starting attacking us, what they did to their own?
Fools have to persist in their folly until it hurts them and their family members enough to rouse the bunch from their fatalistic slumbers.
Contain Islam until it either implodes or enlightens.And encourage the repatriation of those already here in the free world back to their smug zone of Mohammadism until it does.
profitsbeard on February 3, 2007 at 11:44 AM