CNN: U.S. suspects Iranian hand in Karbala killings of American soldiers; Update: Odierno says U.S. has proof of Iran arming militias

posted at 12:37 am on January 31, 2007 by Allahpundit

Bill Roggio had it four days ago, CNN has it today. My head already hurts from the leftist screaming about missing WMDs that will greet the formal announcement of this intel bombshell:

The Pentagon is investigating whether a recent attack on a military compound in Karbala was carried out by Iranians or Iranian-trained operatives, two officials from separate U.S. government agencies said.

“People are looking at it seriously,” one of the officials said…

Both officials stressed the Iranian-involvement theory is a preliminary view, and there is no final conclusion. They agreed this possibility is being looked at because of the sophistication of the attack and the level of coordination.

“This was beyond what we have seen militias or foreign fighters do,” the second official said.

Fox says Gen. Caldwell was planning to hold a press conference about it tomorrow but that it’s been pushed back — for a very interesting reason:

One military official pointed to recent anti-Ahmadinejad comments coming from inside Iran — including from former President Mohammad Khatami who has urged a reduction in tensions with the United States — as an indication that Ahmadinejad may already be under growing domestic pressure. Given that, there is some feeling that now may not be the best time for the U.S. to be making a public case against the Iranian leader without risking an anti-U-S backlash.

That reference to a backlash is slightly ambiguous. A backlash among the Iranian people that will rally them to Ahmadinejad’s side? Or a backlash from Ahmadinejad himself that will lead him to do something rash that he hopes will rally the Iranian people to his side? Either way, it goes right back to the post I wrote this afternoon about how the regime’s present weakness, ironically, counsels against confronting it. Check it out if you haven’t yet, especially the excerpt from Robert Baer’s piece in Time. He’s hearing the same thing Roggio and CNN are about Iranian fingerprints in Karbala. As is the boss.

Update: Nothing yet from Caldwell, but Gen. Odierno points the finger in an interview with USA Today.

Iran is supplying Iraqi militias with a variety of powerful weapons including Katyusha rockets, the No. 2 U.S. general in Iraq said Tuesday.

“We have weapons that we know through serial numbers … that trace back to Iran,” Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno said in an interview with USA TODAY…

Most weapons supplied by Iran end up in the hands of Shiite extremists, Odierno said.

He said the weapons include:

•The RPG-29, a rocket-propelled grenade that can fire armor-piercing rounds. It is larger and more sophisticated than the RPG-7 more commonly found in Iraq.

•Katyusha rockets, so large they are generally fired from trucks.

•Powerful roadside bombs, known as explosively formed projectiles, which can pierce armor. The technological know-how and “some of the elements to make them are coming out of Iran,” Odierno said.

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more bombing less talk , kill the gad guys… stop jerking off..

retired on January 31, 2007 at 12:56 AM

Prez Mo’s just doing the rope a dope if you ask me. I can see the logic in not wanting to antogonize the Iranian people though. I’m thinking ultimatly if Iraq becomes a democratic sucess Iran could follow in time or at least loose the extremists. There’s an exiled Iranian Prince around somewhere. I’m sure he’s following closely. This would be a nice counter balance to the Saudis.

sonnyspats1 on January 31, 2007 at 12:58 AM

including concerns over the reaction from Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Who cares? Even the mad mullah’s don’t like him. What’s the point of diplomacy now? Release it! Damn them! They are to blame, so let the world know. Oh! The Dems are in power now and you don’t want to be accused of generating aggression towards Iran. Yeah…I get it.

thedecider on January 31, 2007 at 1:30 AM

A backlash among the Iranian people that will rally them to Ahmadinejad’s side?

This is the more likely scenario. The U.S. has long wanted the Iranian people to rise up against the mullah’s. Who cares what a fool Ahmadummyjerk makes of himself. That only helps us in the end.

thedecider on January 31, 2007 at 1:34 AM

*shrug*

The regular commenters on this blog have been connecting the dots for months. The question is not are we going into Iran but are we going to kill Iranians in Iraq with extreme prejudice? Let special forces get wet. A show of strength would be a few nice gun battles in which we kil many Iranians and capture a stock pile of those Iranian IED’s, then parade those weapons before the media. That would give us everything we need to blockade the Iran (two carrier groups already there). We can simply turn off the lights if we so desire.

Another important aspect is that a regime change initiated from within Iran discredits Amadinejad’s ideology and the entire Islamist ideology as whole yet to a lesser degree. That would be a much needed victory over Islamism. With a steady “moderate” and most importantly mre predictable Khatami in power we can move on to getting the Saudi’s wahabbist doctrine discredited.

Theworldisnotenough on January 31, 2007 at 2:11 AM

I wonder where these guys are?

Theworldisnotenough on January 31, 2007 at 2:18 AM

“People are looking at it seriously,” one of the officials said…

Oh yeah, who?

You all forget, Jane Fonda is on point……

rope a dope

How appropriate…

Can anyone remember the Vietnam {Ilsamic} senario……… thier never ending game plan…. once defeated, cry

“…let’s talk, … we are weak… we only want peace…” while they rearm?????

Keep the bloody gloves off, pound, and pound, and pound them to DUST….

Eventually, after enough of our kids, and ourselves are killed, we just might learn this lesson again?

We have to answer this question…… “who, in bloody hell, is keeping us from winning this war??”

PinkyBigglesworth on January 31, 2007 at 2:29 AM


The Pentagon is investigating whether a recent attack on a military compound in Karbala was carried out by Iranians or Iranian-trained operatives,

Investigating……….. investigating……. investigating in a war zone….

Is this a war or a criminal trial?

That is the “Clinton” mentality that lead to 9/11 {thank you Jamie Garrellick…. an no I will never forget you, or spell your name correctly}

Almost six years of Iran and Syria pouring weapons and granting passage to every misguided mulsim into the area just to engage our troops with IED’s….. wearing civilian clothes, hiding behind civilian targets, schools, hospitals, and graveyards………

investigating…..

Doesn’t anyone remember that war sucks, no one in it wants to be their other than to win , and to that point, is to win, so less people die than have to, and then we can go home? AND HOW PISSED OFF THEY GET WHEN POLITICIANS FROM THOUSANDS MILES AWAY KEEP THEM FROM WINNING JUST FOR POLITICALLY CORRECT OBJECTIVES?????

Investigating is left up to the police, unless you a Border Patrol Officer on the Southern Border of the US, then you are guilty untill proven innocent……., but that is another point {but the same point}….

Investigating?

Oil for Food??? Investigating???

Able Danger??? Investigating???

Sandy Burglar and his pants full of classified files??? Investigating??? {No, it’s not going away…}

Investigating????

What say you Allahpundit, I think Jane Fonda needs to go on a fact finding mission with the religion of peace……

I am sure she is brave enough since she spoke out and her words are being used as propaganda that she will have no fear to walk the streets…….. in an Armani pant suit, sunglasses, before “men”, speaking her mind, wanting to drive, attend a school, and be thought of as an equal……… just ask MM for the travel agent.

What do you think, Jane?, Allahpundit?, anyone….?

PinkyBigglesworth on January 31, 2007 at 3:54 AM

Paging JTF-145….

Kid from Brooklyn on January 31, 2007 at 7:47 AM

This is wrong and smacks as a cover up…. now that they said they have it, release it! the world needs to see it, not just us!

whoever is holding it back needs to be fired!

retired on January 31, 2007 at 7:55 AM

We do not need to invade to send a message. That is what the President is talking about. We will deal with it, we gather info, and make a strategic strike…if needed. He does not need Reid’s approval, besides Reid is busy defending is illegal land deal together in Nevada. Our secruity is not Reid’s concern.

right2bright on January 31, 2007 at 8:05 AM

right2bright on January 31, 2007 at 8:05 AM

Agreed.

GT on January 31, 2007 at 8:11 AM

Pinky,
You are correct. Who is in charge here? Barack Hussein Obama, Harry Reid, Madame Speaker Lugosi? Are we afraid to ooffffeeennnnnd the Iranians?
We will never win a PC war. Never.
Iran causing problems here? Gee, none of us could see that coming!
Global “Police Action on Terrrrr” be damned”. If we are at war, WIN or go home. It’s time to conduct a “robust” diplomatic effort, with DAISYCUTTERS!

mountainmanbob on January 31, 2007 at 8:21 AM

Who cares? Even the mad mullah’s don’t like him. What’s the point of diplomacy now? Release it!

I think the whole point of showing restraint is that Amadinnerjacket is falling from grace, so to say, with the people in Iran – their economy is going to pot and money talks. he’s his own worst enemy. For us to go in there and “release it” will just piss off the iranian people and mullahs who are probably already on our side.

pullingmyhairout on January 31, 2007 at 9:01 AM

I wonder where these guys are?

Theworldisnotenough on January 31, 2007 at 2:18 AM

The 26th MEU’s current MSEs are as follows: BLT 2/2, HMM-264 (Command Element).

In layman’s terms it is:
1. A boat load of bad ass, pissed off, US Marine combat troops from the 2nd Marine Division.
2. Backed up by a herd of Harriers, Black Hawks and Attack Cobras from Cherry Point.
3. With CLB 26 providing enough bullets, beans and bandages to keep the good guys in sustained combat for 180 days before re-supply is needed.

Sleep tight, the Marines are on station, the situation is well in hand.

Alden Pyle on January 31, 2007 at 9:49 AM

‘Certain Force’ goes from green to tan, enters CENTCOM area

ABOARD USS BATAAN (Jan. 30, 2007)– As the sun rose here Jan. 30, changes were visible everywhere as the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit entered the Suez Canal aboard the ships of the Bataan Strike Group.

The endless expanse of ocean which had engulfed the unit much of the time since departing North Carolina on a routine, scheduled deployment Jan. 6, was nowhere to be seen, replaced on both sides of the ship by sparsely populated desert.

The green digital utility uniforms the MEU’s troops had worn since activating June 23, 2006, were gone, replaced by a desert pattern to match the arid shoreline.

Alden Pyle on January 31, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Who cares?

Until Iranian-backed terrorists nuke an American city, we can’t do anything about it. Pre-emptive attack is just an illegal war of aggression, and our leaders would stand trial at the Hague.

Come on. 9/11 wasn’t that big of a deal, and so what if Iranians are killing a few Americans. We should just investigate this, but ensuring that the Iranians are giving their Miranda warnings, etc. …

/liberal off

Ed’s note: it’s almost scary how easy it is to slip into liberal speak. For a second there, I actually felt smug, superior, and self-satisfied. I’m starting to understand the freaks.

Professor Blather on January 31, 2007 at 10:06 AM

pullingmyhairout,
Piss off the Iranian people? Does the fact that these filthy diaper heads are killing our troops PISS YOU OFF?

mountainmanbob on January 31, 2007 at 10:21 AM

ABOARD USS BATAAN (Jan. 30, 2007)– As the sun rose here Jan. 30, changes were visible everywhere as the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit entered the Suez Canal aboard the ships of the Bataan Strike Group.

Hehe.

Theworldisnotenough on January 31, 2007 at 10:21 AM

mountainmanbob on January 31, 2007 at 10:21 AM

absolutely. of course it pisses me off. I have family in the military, a nephew who just returned from his first tour. but I think the essence of the article that was posted was that attacking Iran right now is probably not a good idea since Amadinnerjacket is about to implode and the possibility of Iranians uprising against him is growing. That’s all I was commenting about.

pullingmyhairout on January 31, 2007 at 10:25 AM

Iran has been the problem in this region for a long time. Do we gain anything by waiting? Do we allow them Nukes? If Iran is at the tipping point, why not give them a hand? If in fact 50% of the country is fed up with ImaMADJihadi, maybe it would be helpful to assist those that want change (I’m sure there are covert activities going on as well).
I’m not a warmonger and do not want war with anyone, unless they attack us. If these bastards are in fact killing our men, it’s time to take the gloves off. ROE’s are the reason for the stalemate/quagmire that is Iraq.
I’m really tired of those that ask “won’t this inflame the Arab street?” What about the American street?
Look what leaving a “small footprint” has accomplished thus far.

mountainmanbob on January 31, 2007 at 10:45 AM

Damn diplomats!

as an indication that Ahmadinejad may already be under growing domestic pressure. Given that, there is some feeling that now may not be the best time for the U.S. to be making a public case against the Iranian leader without risking an anti-U-S backlash.

Isn’t the best time to give a little push back on his skinnylittleass when it looks like he may be nearing the end of his rope???

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 31, 2007 at 10:54 AM

PS.

Does Iran need proof?

Does Syria need proof?

Does Hezbollah need proof?

Does Al Qaeda need proof?

Does Hamas need proof?

So, I ask you, why in hell do we always need proof?

When’s it going to be time to s or get off the pot?

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 31, 2007 at 11:01 AM

Alden Pyle on January 31, 2007 at 9:49 AM

You had me at badass. ;)

And as I tuck my little ones in tonight, as I do every night, we will say a prayer for the men and women protecting our nation.

KelliD on January 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

The reality is there are hundreds of Daniel Ellsbergs running around the Pentagon today. The NYT would like nothing better then for the U.S. to get caught in another Gulf of Tonkin fiasco.

Iran wants to be the victim. Nothing else will do. All the saber rattling by Dinerjacket is his hoping we take the bait.

I want the bastards bombed to dust but the left has made the American people very leary of any U.S. claim to victimhood. Give it a little more time. The closer Dinnerjacket gets to the panic point the more likely he will stumble. Make him a mugging victim and everything is lost for sure. Shoot on sight every Iranian in Iraq…I’m good with that, but it isn’t time (yet) to go over the border.

Limerick on January 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

I think killing Iranians in Iraq is not a problem and even if it is, too bad. Going into Iran is a different story and here is why.
In the last election in Iran, abinnyloonyjabs cadidates were soundly beaten. His base of political support is crumbling as the days wear on. The rank and file Iranian is very pro-western.

The question is: Does attacking Iran help pro-western Iranians oust abinnyloonyjab or does it create a situation where they put their differences aside to stop a perceived threat against their country?

I think that is a valid question that must be answered before we strike into Iran.

csdeven on January 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM

This why we need a Pubbie Prez in ’08, to continue the war on global jihad. Iran is next. We wish it didn’t hafta be that way, but it does. Takin’ the easy way out only makes the situation worse later on down the road.

Tony737 on January 31, 2007 at 11:41 AM

Think about how these guys pulled this off–with help from folks, i.e. Iraqis, on the inside.

Nice.

honora on January 31, 2007 at 12:08 PM

honora on January 31, 2007 at 12:08 PM

These are the kinds of security breakdowns that will happen when the transitioning to the Iraqi’s control. Tragically 5 of our troops died. God blass them and their families, friends and battle buddies. I am going to wait for the official report about the hows and whys before I get too far out in front of this. On the surface it seems clear that many things had to go right for them to pull this off, lastly our troops being caught unawares. Perhaps a heightened state of readiness in all areas protected by the Iraqis, will stop these kinds of attacks in the future?

csdeven on January 31, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Perhaps a heightened state of readiness in all areas protected by the Iraqis, will stop these kinds of attacks in the future?

csdeven on January 31, 2007 at 12:40 PM

From your mouth to God’s ear CS. I guess it’s a question of is this indicative of underlying attitude among our Iraqi friends (very bad) or a matter of training and as you say, a natural consequence of the transition (no so bad). We shall see.

honora on January 31, 2007 at 1:58 PM

Honora blathered: “Think about how these guys pulled this off–with help from folks, i.e. Iraqis, on the inside.

Nice.”

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THIS MAKE, STUPID?

IRAN IS MAKING WAR UPON AMERICA AND KILLING AMERICANS!

georgej on January 31, 2007 at 2:20 PM

Honora blathered: “Think about how these guys pulled this off–with help from folks, i.e. Iraqis, on the inside.

Nice.”

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THIS MAKE, STUPID?

IRAN IS MAKING WAR UPON AMERICA AND KILLING AMERICANS!

georgej on January 31, 2007 at 2:20 PM

When you were a child your mother should have washed your mouth out with soap. She did you a real dis-service.

To answer your question, which is likely rhetorical, it makes a difference as our strategy as “articulated” by GWB is to train and hand off security to the Iranians. If they are selling us out to the Iranians, big difference.

honora on January 31, 2007 at 2:33 PM

“Iraqis”, not Iranians, in the next to last sentence above.

honora on January 31, 2007 at 2:34 PM

I think alot of people are giving the fellow in the members only jacket to much credit. He is just the receptionist at the front door of the mullah factory, the real evil and control is happening behind the “authorized personel” door.

Sammy316 on January 31, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Honora, my mother taught me to stand up to ignorant leftist assholes like you.

If the Iranians are making war upon America (as they have been since Jimmuh Car-tar screwed the pooch with the Shan and the embassy take over), then the answer is to MAKE WAR UPON IRAN.

Now be a good girl and go back to day-dreaming that Clenis is still in the White House.

georgej on January 31, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Honora, my mother taught me to stand up to ignorant leftist assholes like you.

If the Iranians are making war upon America (as they have been since Jimmuh Car-tar screwed the pooch with the Shan and the embassy take over), then the answer is to MAKE WAR UPON IRAN.

Now be a good girl and go back to day-dreaming that Clenis is still in the White House.

georgej on January 31, 2007 at 3:29 PM

And you go back to being a “consultant”; meaning someone who has been out of work for a long, long time.

Golly, wonder why that would be….LOL

honora on January 31, 2007 at 3:34 PM

Nine cruise missiles and the Mullah’s regime will collapse.

Iran is a net importer of diesel and gasoline. They have only nine refineries that are running way over capacity and can’t supply Iran’s domestic needs, so the rest is purchased and tankered in.

Refineries blow up good, blow up real good. Take the refineries out and the Iranian economy will grind quickly to a halt.

rokemronnie on January 31, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Well, little girl. It’s like this….

After 30 years in corporate America going from programmer-technician to IT manager in charge of mainframe system programming operations in one of the two datacenters of a Fortune 40 company, as well as being the designer of a national communications network for a major financial institution (one of the top 10) which was setting up shop in a 3rd world country, I decided to hang up the 3-piece suit, put on a pair of jeans and cross-trainers, and work for myself.

Isn’t that the American dream? To have your own company and be your own boss?

I’ve been in business for 7 years with an ever-growing list of clients. I am neither on welfare (we conservatives ended that joke over your and your party’s objections) nor am I unemployed. I know you’re disappointed….

What do you do? Besides watching soaps and dreaming about Grey’s McDreamy and Clenis, that is….

georgej on January 31, 2007 at 4:37 PM

Well, little girl. It’s like this….

After 30 years in corporate America going from programmer-technician to IT manager in charge of mainframe system programming operations in one of the two datacenters of a Fortune 40 company, as well as being the designer of a national communications network for a major financial institution (one of the top 10) which was setting up shop in a 3rd world country, I decided to hang up the 3-piece suit, put on a pair of jeans and cross-trainers, and work for myself.

Isn’t that the American dream? To have your own company and be your own boss?

I’ve been in business for 7 years with an ever-growing list of clients. I am neither on welfare (we conservatives ended that joke over your and your party’s objections) nor am I unemployed. I know you’re disappointed….

What do you do? Besides watching soaps and dreaming about Grey’s McDreamy and Clenis, that is….

georgej on January 31, 2007 at 4:37 PM

30 years huh. Bet they gave you that “your job has been eliminated speech” huh? That had to be tough.

I am retired (59) and spend most of my time tending to my mother, am on the board of 2 arts groups, and occasionally assist my sister with new business pitches for her PR company.

I imagine had you shown more of the cutting edge humor a la “Clenis”, you wouldn’t have been given the boot. Well good luck to you anyway.

honora on February 1, 2007 at 9:23 AM

georgej: you do know when you’re being teased I hope….

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