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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Darfur Watch: Polls, and what won&#8217;t happen and why</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/somalia-the-limits-of-multilateralism/comment-page-1/#comment-210993</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Darfur Watch: Polls, and what won&#8217;t happen and why</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But you can&#8217;t intervene in a crisis with the world you want, you have to intervene or not based on the world you actually have. And the world we actually have includes China, which as  I mentioned the other day is likely to use its position as a rising power to land on the wrong side of the genocide. One potential avenue for diplomatic negotiation that has not been fully explored is through China, which is one of Sudan&#8217;s greatest trading partners and largest exporter of the country&#8217;s vast oil wealth. Sudanese oil exports declined by 20 percent last year due to the Darfur situation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But you can&#8217;t intervene in a crisis with the world you want, you have to intervene or not based on the world you actually have. And the world we actually have includes China, which as  I mentioned the other day is likely to use its position as a rising power to land on the wrong side of the genocide. One potential avenue for diplomatic negotiation that has not been fully explored is through China, which is one of Sudan&#8217;s greatest trading partners and largest exporter of the country&#8217;s vast oil wealth. Sudanese oil exports declined by 20 percent last year due to the Darfur situation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: taznar</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/somalia-the-limits-of-multilateralism/comment-page-1/#comment-209003</link>
		<dc:creator>taznar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They don’t. It’s much easier and safer to hide their collective heads in the sand than to confront the problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I wonder who they&#039;ll call when it does hit their doorstep and they realize its too late to muster the willpower and force to repel the chaos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They don’t. It’s much easier and safer to hide their collective heads in the sand than to confront the problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder who they&#8217;ll call when it does hit their doorstep and they realize its too late to muster the willpower and force to repel the chaos?</p>
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		<title>By: Alden Pyle</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/somalia-the-limits-of-multilateralism/comment-page-1/#comment-208534</link>
		<dc:creator>Alden Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m officially kicking off the write in campaign, &lt;strong&gt;Mojave Mark 2008&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m officially kicking off the write in campaign, <strong>Mojave Mark 2008</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Mojave Mark</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/somalia-the-limits-of-multilateralism/comment-page-1/#comment-207914</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojave Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last sentence... fewer people will die in the long run.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last sentence&#8230; fewer people will die in the long run.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojave Mark</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/somalia-the-limits-of-multilateralism/comment-page-1/#comment-207747</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojave Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Somalia et al shows is the failure of modern (kinder/gentler) warfare. I&#039;m afraid, as in I truly do fear, that the only hope is to go back to a Clausewitz type of total war where you attack and enemy&#039;s center of gravity instead of merely hitting equipment with precision missles.

We in the West have become enamoured of precision guided bombs because they&#039;re technologically sexy.  We thought that we could just break a people&#039;s stuff and then they&#039;ed surrender. It doesn&#039;t work that way.  The people themselves must be broken, not just the equipment.

Think Tokyo firebombing, Dresden firebombing, Hiroshima, Nagasaki. In both Germany and Japan we defeated a broken and ruined people.  They WANTED to surrender. When the GI&#039;s arrived they were (mostly) respected and feared.

It&#039;s time to put away the military scalpul and get out the chainsaw. No more feminine style war. If we want to win we&#039;re going to have to get serious. Ironically, fewer people will in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Somalia et al shows is the failure of modern (kinder/gentler) warfare. I&#8217;m afraid, as in I truly do fear, that the only hope is to go back to a Clausewitz type of total war where you attack and enemy&#8217;s center of gravity instead of merely hitting equipment with precision missles.</p>
<p>We in the West have become enamoured of precision guided bombs because they&#8217;re technologically sexy.  We thought that we could just break a people&#8217;s stuff and then they&#8217;ed surrender. It doesn&#8217;t work that way.  The people themselves must be broken, not just the equipment.</p>
<p>Think Tokyo firebombing, Dresden firebombing, Hiroshima, Nagasaki. In both Germany and Japan we defeated a broken and ruined people.  They WANTED to surrender. When the GI&#8217;s arrived they were (mostly) respected and feared.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to put away the military scalpul and get out the chainsaw. No more feminine style war. If we want to win we&#8217;re going to have to get serious. Ironically, fewer people will in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Alden Pyle</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/somalia-the-limits-of-multilateralism/comment-page-1/#comment-207553</link>
		<dc:creator>Alden Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Al-Islam also demanded the release of Libyan officer Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi who is serving a life sentence in Britain for the 1998 bombing of a Pan Am flight over the Scottish village of Lockerbie that killed 270 people.
   
&quot;We believe that al-Megrahi is innocent in the same way you believe that your nurses are innocent,&quot; he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

**cough, cough**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Al-Islam also demanded the release of Libyan officer Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi who is serving a life sentence in Britain for the 1998 bombing of a Pan Am flight over the Scottish village of Lockerbie that killed 270 people.</p>
<p>&#8220;We believe that al-Megrahi is innocent in the same way you believe that your nurses are innocent,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>**cough, cough**</p>
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		<title>By: No More Spin</title>
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		<dc:creator>No More Spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The problem with Somalia...&lt;/strong&gt;

Even after the defeat of the Islamists in Somalia, that country was still going to be a heavily flawed place. Here&#039;s further evidence of that. The African Union, which has pledged 8000 troops for a peacekeeping mission in Somalia, has only managed to....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The problem with Somalia&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Even after the defeat of the Islamists in Somalia, that country was still going to be a heavily flawed place. Here&#8217;s further evidence of that. The African Union, which has pledged 8000 troops for a peacekeeping mission in Somalia, has only managed to&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan said:

&quot;And they’re all thinking of Somalia as a “peacekeeping” operation, when inserting troops would actually be more like a “peacemaking” operation.&quot;

You&#039;ve summed up the problem with the UN ideal in a single sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan said:</p>
<p>&#8220;And they’re all thinking of Somalia as a “peacekeeping” operation, when inserting troops would actually be more like a “peacemaking” operation.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve summed up the problem with the UN ideal in a single sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: JadeNYU</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadeNYU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Winston Churchill said it best:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case; you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We have the resources, we lack the will.  Hopefully, we will all find our collective spines before it is too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Winston Churchill said it best:</p>
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&#8220;If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case; you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>We have the resources, we lack the will.  Hopefully, we will all find our collective spines before it is too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Terp Mole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terp Mole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not posting this to rebuke &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; of the AU’s member states. The fact is, &lt;strong&gt;they don’t have the resources&lt;/strong&gt; on hand&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh come on... you can&#039;t find one AU member with resources to throw around?&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?title=ethiopia_ghadafi_brings_in_cars_gold_as_&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ghadafi brings in cars, gold as present for leaders&lt;/a&gt;

Libyan leader &lt;a href=&quot;http://nazret.com/blog/media/gaddafi.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muamar Ghadafi&lt;/a&gt; has brought in 15 cars and two bags full of gold as a gift for African heads of states who are expected to participate in the 8th Ordinary Session of the Assembly of the African Union, scheduled to open tomorrow, Monday, January 29th.&lt;/blockquote&gt;... meanwhile, Kaddafi is still &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/europe/20070130-libya-kadhafi-bulgarian-nurses.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;extorting ransom money&lt;/a&gt; for his Western nurse hostages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m not posting this to rebuke <em>any</em> of the AU’s member states. The fact is, <strong>they don’t have the resources</strong> on hand</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh come on&#8230; you can&#8217;t find one AU member with resources to throw around?<br />
<blockquote><a href="http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?title=ethiopia_ghadafi_brings_in_cars_gold_as_&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1" rel="nofollow">Ghadafi brings in cars, gold as present for leaders</a></p>
<p>Libyan leader <a href="http://nazret.com/blog/media/gaddafi.jpg" rel="nofollow">Muamar Ghadafi</a> has brought in 15 cars and two bags full of gold as a gift for African heads of states who are expected to participate in the 8th Ordinary Session of the Assembly of the African Union, scheduled to open tomorrow, Monday, January 29th.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; meanwhile, Kaddafi is still <a href="http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/europe/20070130-libya-kadhafi-bulgarian-nurses.html" rel="nofollow">extorting ransom money</a> for his Western nurse hostages.</p>
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		<title>By: PRCalDude</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/somalia-the-limits-of-multilateralism/comment-page-1/#comment-207077</link>
		<dc:creator>PRCalDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wait–they need peacekeepers to bring peace to a region that is dominated by the religion of peace?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why, indeed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wait–they need peacekeepers to bring peace to a region that is dominated by the religion of peace?
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<p>Why, indeed?</p>
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		<title>By: dalewalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dalewalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The rest of the world lacks the manpower to defend itself and does not yet understand how close the danger truly is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d rewrite this as:

The rest of the world lacks the &lt;em&gt;willpower&lt;/em&gt; to defend itself and does not yet &lt;em&gt;acknowledge&lt;/em&gt; how close the danger truly is.

I don&#039;t think manpower (or lack of it) is the biggest problem.  We (the U.S.) has the manpower by ourselves, getting manpower from some of the bigger U.N. member states would be possible, &lt;strong&gt;if&lt;/strong&gt; they                                                                                                    had the willpower.  They don&#039;t.  It&#039;s much easier and safer to hide their collective heads in the sand than to confront the problem.  Do any of the people who think it isn&#039;t our (collectively) problem REALLY believe that the chaos will be  confined to one country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The rest of the world lacks the manpower to defend itself and does not yet understand how close the danger truly is.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d rewrite this as:</p>
<p>The rest of the world lacks the <em>willpower</em> to defend itself and does not yet <em>acknowledge</em> how close the danger truly is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think manpower (or lack of it) is the biggest problem.  We (the U.S.) has the manpower by ourselves, getting manpower from some of the bigger U.N. member states would be possible, <strong>if</strong> they                                                                                                    had the willpower.  They don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s much easier and safer to hide their collective heads in the sand than to confront the problem.  Do any of the people who think it isn&#8217;t our (collectively) problem REALLY believe that the chaos will be  confined to one country?</p>
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		<title>By: Militant Bibliophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Militant Bibliophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, pulling, we may have no other choice. The problem is is that chaos, like GOOD order, perpetuates itself. We may eat bonbons today, but sooner or later, chaos will come knocking in some form or another. At which point, we had BETTER find the stomach, or we&#039;re going down too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, pulling, we may have no other choice. The problem is is that chaos, like GOOD order, perpetuates itself. We may eat bonbons today, but sooner or later, chaos will come knocking in some form or another. At which point, we had BETTER find the stomach, or we&#8217;re going down too.</p>
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		<title>By: pullingmyhairout</title>
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		<dc:creator>pullingmyhairout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Bryan, what do you think the answer is?  if we (meaning the collective developed world) don&#039;t have the stomach to fight it, what happens?  I guess we just let them destroy each other as we sit back and eat bonbons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bryan, what do you think the answer is?  if we (meaning the collective developed world) don&#8217;t have the stomach to fight it, what happens?  I guess we just let them destroy each other as we sit back and eat bonbons?</p>
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		<title>By: JamesVersusEveryone</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesVersusEveryone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait--they need peacekeepers to bring peace to a region that is dominated by the religion of peace?  
I need someone who speaks slowly and preferably with a singsong voice to explain this to me in a simple manner so that I can understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8211;they need peacekeepers to bring peace to a region that is dominated by the religion of peace?<br />
I need someone who speaks slowly and preferably with a singsong voice to explain this to me in a simple manner so that I can understand.</p>
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		<title>By: sweetlipsbutterhoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>sweetlipsbutterhoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad truth is that people in the developed world (and I include myself in this) will not take these problems seriously  until it is on our doorstep. Some in the west keep drumming into our heads that we shouldn&#039;t be the world&#039;s police, but if we don&#039;t, who will?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad truth is that people in the developed world (and I include myself in this) will not take these problems seriously  until it is on our doorstep. Some in the west keep drumming into our heads that we shouldn&#8217;t be the world&#8217;s police, but if we don&#8217;t, who will?</p>
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