“If they’re going to support us, support us all the way.”

posted at 10:39 am on January 30, 2007 by Bryan

Troops in Iraq don’t buy the left’s “we support the troops, but not the war” mantra. They don’t buy it at all.

(h/t a GOP staffer)

Update (AP): There’s no victory to be had in Iraq, insists the Kleagle.

Update (AP): The Citizens Report on Iraq is now available online.


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Let’s hear more. Let’s hear more. But will even this embarass the “I support the troops” phonies?

Jeff on January 30, 2007 at 10:49 AM

Surprising this came from NBC. There needs to be more stories like this.

CP on January 30, 2007 at 10:49 AM

Who but a moonbat would believe it is possible to support the troops and not the mission? Only fools and Democrats make such statements.

tarpon on January 30, 2007 at 10:55 AM

Gee, I guess the military isn’t so stupid after all! I got a plan! Let’s do a good deed and help Massachusetts get rid of their “Global Pest”! Vote John Kerry Out!!!! It’s the least we can do.

bloggless on January 30, 2007 at 10:59 AM

This makes me absolutely nuts. My husband was a Marine, and we are (naturally) very supportive. A Navy friend of ours just went over (as in, yesterday). He ASKED to be sent. And another friend just keeps commenting in his LiveJournal: “Grrr!”

I replied, “Grrr? What for? He ASKED to go!”

Her reply? “That was directed to him for asking to go.”

Me: “I sleep better, knowing he’s out there.”

Her: “I’ll sleep better when he gets back.”

Now, I know she cares a great deal for our mutual friend. But she can’t seem to see that comments like the above, of the “I support the troops but not the war” variety, are in fact not supportive at all. I’m trying to figure out how to explain it politely, so she’ll understand the effect she’s having (she’s a lot younger than I am, or even than he is).

Any military personnel who may read this comment: Don’t buy what the press is telling you. We do support you, and your mission, all the way.

Stefka on January 30, 2007 at 11:00 AM

I am surprised our troops are smart enough to figure this out. Kerry and the other traitors don’t think they are.

Wade on January 30, 2007 at 11:02 AM

During World War II the Japanese developed a way to demoralize the American forces. Psychological warfare experts developed a message they felt would work.

They gave the script to their famous broadcaster “Tokyo Rose” and every day she would broadcast this same message packaged in different ways, hoping it would have a negative impact on American GI’s morale.

The message devised by the Japanese psyc warfare scientists had three main points:

1. Your President is lying to you.
2. This war is illegal.
3. You cannot win the war.

Sound familiar?

BacaDog on January 30, 2007 at 11:03 AM

I hate to bring this up but I just want to point out some hyprocicy, although not blatant, that just occured in regards to what is termed as hazing by a couple of college students.This is the result of the hazing.

Morton, former president of the university’s Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity, was found guilty of striking prospective member Marcus Jones, 20, of Decatur, Georgia, with a wooden cane so severely during four nights of initiation rites that he underwent surgery for bruising to his buttocks.

Harris was convicted of participating by encouraging Jones to bear up under the beatings and reviving him with water after he passed out so he could go back for more punishment.

Of course since these are college kids smart enuff to get out of Iraq I can understand why they should not be subjected to sentences as severe as those handed out to soldiers who say strip down prisoners and lead them around on a leash.

Of course there were plenty of people willing to speak up on their behalf.

Clergy members, university professors and former Florida A&M University President Fred Gainous testified that Morton and Harris were upstanding, and they urged leniency.

LakeRuins on January 30, 2007 at 11:05 AM

Victory, honor, and sacrifice – words the left can’t comprehend. Traitors support our enemies. You are either with us or against us. Thanks to all who are fighting the good fight.

infidel on January 30, 2007 at 11:18 AM

Evidently the guys ‘stuk in Irak’ are quite a bit smarter than Jon Carry gives them credit for.

infidel4life on January 30, 2007 at 11:20 AM

he message devised by the Japanese psyc warfare scientists had three main points:

1. Your President is lying to you.
2. This war is illegal.
3. You cannot win the war.

Sound familiar?

BacaDog on January 30, 2007 at 11:03 AM

Hey Baca, you don’t happen to listen to Quinn, do you?

Could some of the libs on here please comment on this video? Please? Tell us how the soldiers are wrong because they’re so stupid!

dalewalt on January 30, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Wow – a whole 1:09 dedicated to this story.

This was simply broadcast so the moonbats can now come out openly not support the troops with the excuse that “the troops started it.”

Editor on January 30, 2007 at 11:27 AM

I’m trying to figure out how to explain it politely, so she’ll understand the effect she’s having

That won’t work. Her “Grrr!” is visceral therefore not subject to reason. Shame her. Demonstrate to her the damage she does. You know her, find a way to get through to her gut. Only then can you begin to reason with this person.
Keep in mind she’s not concerned with being polite she’s just spewing invalidation whenever, wherever, she sees fit. So she is not owed any politeness in this matter.
Once, only once, I got through to a woman by telling her that as a man I of course support womankind – all women should be, deserve to be, supported – so let’s get them safely back into hearth & home. This one woman actually got that telling a soldier he should always be where it is safe, “for his own good” is demeaning to him not supportive of him.
In the case you are talking about the guy has volunteered. She begins by failing to respect his decision then insults his intelligence by claiming it’s supportive of her to undermine his choice. She’s at best an idiot. She may be much worse but I don’t know her so… maybe she’s just an idiot.

Stephen M on January 30, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Well it looks like Sen Arlen Specter (D-PA) has shown he can shift the balance of power in the Senate.

WASHINGTON — A Senate Republican on Tuesday directly challenged President Bush’s declaration that “I am the decision-maker” on issues of war.

“I would suggest respectfully to the president that he is not the sole decider,” Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Congress’ war powers amid an increasingly harsh debate over Iraq war policy. “The decider is a shared and joint responsibility,” Specter said.

The question of whether to use its power over the government’s purse strings to force an end to the war in Iraq, and under what conditions, is among the issues faced by the newly empowered Democratic majority in Congress, and even some of the president’s political allies as well.

LakeRuins on January 30, 2007 at 11:28 AM

During World War II the Japanese developed a way to demoralize the American forces. Psychological warfare experts developed a message they felt would work.

They gave the script to their famous broadcaster “Tokyo Rose” and every day she would broadcast this same message packaged in different ways, hoping it would have a negative impact on American GI’s morale.

The message devised by the Japanese psyc warfare scientists had three main points:

1. Your President is lying to you.
2. This war is illegal.
3. You cannot win the war.

Sound familiar?

BacaDog on January 30, 2007 at 11:03 AM

SPOT ON!!!

And like Tokyo Rose, the MSM follows instructions quite well… every day, every news break, every chance, day in, day out, constant, bombarding, drumming it into our heads, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again………… then Jane Fonda comes out of retirement.

That was plesant. And quess who took her speech, and is now using it as propaganda to fill it’s ranks….. that’s right boys and girls, our enemy. (once again)

PinkyBigglesworth on January 30, 2007 at 11:29 AM

The left has been trying to pull defeat from the jaws of victory right from the start for the simple reason that they can’t stand to see something go right for the Bush administration.

Right at the time when things might just be turning for the better, the Dems will shut it all down and bring the troops home.

Have we ever seen an American political party work so hard against American interests?

flipflop on January 30, 2007 at 11:30 AM

I support the troops but not the war is like protesting organized sports at the special olympics and saying we aren’t hurting the competitors.

Sven on January 30, 2007 at 11:31 AM

I was actually surprised that NBC ran this the other night. I couldn’t believe it. I was glad to see someone in the military say on a MSM newscast that you can’t have it both ways, either you support them AND their mission or you don’t support them at all.
Dalewalt, as for the local libs, they’ll tell you they feel the can support them while not supporting their mission and who are WE to question them or their patriotism! You know how they can be. You know, being a liberal means never having to say you’re sorry about anything.

Catie96706 on January 30, 2007 at 11:31 AM

WOW, NBC?? face lift?

You cant support the troops without supporting WHAT THEY DO.

What are they thinking, support the troops ONLY if they’re in US barracks, at home?

That’s like saying I support my mom, but not her motherhood.
It’s kinda like insurance only supporting the healthy, get sick, your gone. ( oh, wait…they DO do that.)

shooter on January 30, 2007 at 11:33 AM

This has caused my son to go ballistic in a few bars, but luckily, instead of risking the loss of a few stripes, he just walks away. Don’t know how much longer that is going to go on though.

Limerick on January 30, 2007 at 11:38 AM

I think I figured out the ‘are they patriotic’ question.

Some of us put America and our Country’s future before our personal desires and preferences.

Others around us put their own selfish desires and preferences before the entire country’s best interest.

Now define ‘Patriotism’ and then you tell me.

shooter on January 30, 2007 at 11:40 AM

“I support the troops but not the war.” What this actually means is: I support chaos, terrorism, fascism, religious persecution, oppression, ethnic cleansing, and if our troops come home no one will hurt us.

Doesn’t sound very patriotic to me.

infidel on January 30, 2007 at 11:47 AM

For every one of these reports from NBC, there’s 50 others that have as their primary intent to undermine our efforts in Iraq.

The MSM wants blood, guts, dead and mangled soldiers, and an embarrassed Bush administration. They want a story.

The Democrats and wild-eyed psychotics in the anti-war movement want blood, guts, dead and mangled soldiers, and an embarrassed Bush administration. They want power.

It is an exquisite kind of pain to savor the irony of an anti-war demonstration that exists for the purpose of sabotaging and thereby prolonging a war they purport to want to end.

spmat on January 30, 2007 at 11:51 AM

My mother in law is a wonderful woman, but has been suffering from BDS for a while now.

We were in a restaurant having dinner one time.
I informed her that my brother was being deployed to Iraq. She shook her head slowly, pursed her lips, and sighed, ‘Unh! Lambs to slaughter.’

I stayed silent, and I’m glad I did, but I really wanted to do verbal violence to that little outburst.

lauraw on January 30, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Who but a moonbat would believe it is possible to support the troops and not the mission? Only fools and Democrats make such statements.

tarpon on January 30, 2007 at 10:55 AM

They don’t believe it either. It’s more that they use this to undercut the rebutle to their unpatriotic(I said it :>) statements. “But I already said I support them? How dare you claim that I am against the military!!”

- The Cat

MirCat on January 30, 2007 at 12:07 PM

And our enemies laugh….

Congress is now decideing, on its own, that IT controls the war… its deciding what powers it has…

GEE… what ya think they’ll decide?

They are argueing against a policy that IS ALREADY WORKING!!!!!

GARRRRRRHHHH!!!!

Romeo13 on January 30, 2007 at 12:07 PM

It is naive to think that NBC’s broadcast is meant to expose the paradox. They think the troops are dumb, so they interview them to insinuate that they are simple minded.

If they intended to expose the paradox, they would interview the liberals who claim to support the troops and trap them. Simply re-broadcast all of the things they say, to start.

“The US can’t beat anyone anymore” – George Clooney.

The problem with the Left (and the Right) is that they fail to understand what is at stake (that they value).

The war is over – we won. Outside of dealing with Al-Queda remnants and influence, which is part of the War On Terror – this is a “peace keeping” mission.

Should we fail to establish order and progress, it will end any potential of future peace keeping, and discourage even the UN. Darfur be damned.

Why do we even talk about this anymore? The MSM is a farce, and isn’t going to change. Perhaps it is time to take a page out of Michael Moores book – and bomb the left with documentaries. Expose every single network, personality, and organization.

We need to decimate the left before we can hope to deal with radical Islam. A few less videos of girl fights and more like the documentary “Mine Your Own Business”.

Then you can trap the MSM. Get them to report and even attack such films – no such thing as bad publicity.

Agrippa2k on January 30, 2007 at 12:13 PM

And our enemies laugh….

Congress is now decideing, on its own, that IT controls the war… its deciding what powers it has…

GEE… what ya think they’ll decide?

They saw the courts grabbing of power worked so now it their turn.

Wade on January 30, 2007 at 12:14 PM

My son is going to see the same thing I did in 75. Sailing away from a shore full of pleading people. He will end up feeling in his old age the same way I do, ashamed. Not for what he did, but for what he didn’t do.

Limerick on January 30, 2007 at 12:25 PM

I am very thankful for your efforts Limerick. You and your son are heroes to me. The left is who should be ashamed.

infidel on January 30, 2007 at 12:37 PM

The troops know, and have always known, who really supports them and who doesn’t. They aren’t stupid, despite Jon Carry and the liberals thinking they are. Supporting them only if they’re sitting on their hands in garrison isn’t support. Defunding or underfunding their mission isn’t support. Treating them like they’re f*cking children isn’t support–nothing grates on me like hearing adults who volunteered get patronizingly called “boys and girls”, as if they couldn’t possibly have been smart and grown-up enough to have willingly joined the military. Well, they had enough guts and maturity to willingly enlist to serve their country during a shooting war, which is damn sure more than the people who fake support for them ever had.

ReubenJCogburn on January 30, 2007 at 12:56 PM

wow. i’m extremely impressed by this. i think maybe that dc freep is the only conservative organization in the u.s. with his head pointed in the right direction.

jummy on January 30, 2007 at 12:56 PM

I remember coming home after Lebanon in 83… the MARG was delayed getting home because of Grenada (the guys who were supposed to relieve us had invaded there) and we were weeks late…

It was a dark, rainy day in Norfolk VA when my ship, the USS Iwo Jima pulled into port… no band… no speeches… just a few family members to welcome us home.

We were forced to feel defeated… even though we knew what we had wanted to do in Leb after we had lost some of our Marines… put the Politicians wouldn’t let us do what we needed to do…

Result? Lots of demorilized troops… and Lebanon is still a mess 24 years later.

Listen to the troops, THEY know what to do, and how to do it!!! Don’t force them into a defeat like Nam, where we never lost a battle, but lost the war on the political home front…

Romeo13 on January 30, 2007 at 1:13 PM

Hey, I support the Chicago Bears next Sunday – da Bears! – but I’m opposed to Lovey Smith. Hope he loses.

Come to think of it, while I fully support the front line and the secondary and the receiving corps – I’ve got Rex Grossman derangement syndrome. I hope he chokes big time – but, of course, I support the Bears.

Hey. Don’t question my team loyalty. Go Bears!

Professor Blather on January 30, 2007 at 3:52 PM

Hey, I support the Chicago Bears next Sunday – da Bears! – but I’m opposed to Lovey Smith. Hope he loses.

Come to think of it, while I fully support the front line and the secondary and the receiving corps – I’ve got Rex Grossman derangement syndrome. I hope he chokes big time – but, of course, I support the Bears.

Hey. Don’t question my team loyalty. Go Bears!

Professor Blather on January 30, 2007 at 3:52 PM

i support atheletes enough to want them to leave the field uninjured. i’ve been doing whatever i can to keep athletic departments from opening in schools because i support sports.

jummy on January 30, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Atta boy, Professor. Excellent analogy. Well said!

techno_barbarian on January 30, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Good analogy, Prof.

The reason it’s so hard to get thru to libs on this matter is because they don’t have any historical knowledge of islam and how it speads. If they did, they’d know we have to fight it.

I ask my lib friends: “If you could choose between a loss in Iraq and a win in ’08 OR a win in Iraq and a loss in ’08?” they can’t answer, they try to bullsh*t their way out of it.

Tony737 on January 30, 2007 at 4:10 PM

I ask my lib friends: “If you could choose between a loss in Iraq and a win in ‘08 OR a win in Iraq and a loss in ‘08?” they can’t answer, they try to bullsh*t their way out of it.

There it is – the simplest truth about modern liberals.

A significant number of them (maybe a clear majority) would be heartbroken if George Bush’s vision for the Middle East actually worked. If Iraq became stable and peaceful, liberals would be appalled – because they’d rather be right and see the country destroyed than be wrong and have peace prevail.

It comes from having no moral core. On this issue and every other, it’s what separates liberals and conservatives. If President Hillary has to wage a war against China (God – or the higher power of your choice – forbid), conservatives would fully support the military – even if it meant electoral defeat, even if it made Hillary a hero, as long as it was best for the country.

Liberals aren’t like that. If George Bush ended war and poverty, mandated gay marriage, opened the borders, legalized drugs, adopted every liberal position imaginable … liberals would still oppose him. They have no code, no principles.

They only want to be right. Have George Bush win is too high a cost for them, no matter what.

And that attitude is nothing short of treason, by the way.

Professor Blather on January 30, 2007 at 4:31 PM

“Hey, kids! I support you, but I will fight against everything you believe in. But I support you!”

Black is white and white is black.

Doghouse on January 30, 2007 at 4:42 PM

>wonderful woman…suffering from BDS

I’m not saying that you’re lying, but I have never, ever seen that combination…

Doghouse on January 30, 2007 at 4:45 PM

Stefka on January 30, 2007 at 11:00 AM

Tell her that you support her but not what she is trying to do. And everytime she mentions it, remind her that you do not support her goal. After a while ask her if your support in light of your non-support really means a dang thing when taken as a whole.

csdeven on January 30, 2007 at 5:15 PM

“They only want to be right. Have George Bush win is too high a cost for them, no matter what.

Professor Blather on January 30, 2007 at 4:31 PM

I dunno, Professor … I have a slightly different take on why liberals would rather be “right.”

I think they’d rather feel superior.

It’s an outgrowth of what Napoleon Hill identified as the “Seven Major Negative Emotions,” the ones that underpin liberalism in its modern, American expression. One of those emotions is Greed – wanting to have something for nothing in return. Consider what we see so often in what liberals seem to want for themselves:

- Safety, security and reward without hardship or risk;
- Equality of results without regard to different levels of performance;
- Self-esteem without accomplishment;
- Rights without responsibilities.

Mix Greed with another one of the negative emotions – Fear – and you get the snobbery that liberals so often display. They want to feel superior to those they disagree with, but are generally too mentally lazy to prove it on the evidentiary or logical merits (and are in fact deathly afraid of how they’d feel about themselves should they lose such an encounter).

Liberal snobbery allows its adherents to dismiss non-liberal viewpoints without having to actually engage them. Conservatives are too selfish, too mean, too stupid or too evil to grasp the inherent enlightenment of liberal beliefs compared to their own; so the “rightness” of the liberal view is never in question and therefore need not be proven.

In this way, liberals can feel “right” (i.e., “good”) about themselves even when taking intellectual or moral positions that conservatives find incomprehensible if not repulsive (e.g., believing in social and economic theories that deny human nature, or taking tactical instead of principle-based stands on matters like foreign policy or war, or wallowing in bizarre conspiracy theories about their opponents, or indulging in “by-any-means-necessary” tactics to achieve political objectives).

A neat side benefit of Greed/Fear based snobbery is that it also offers an outlet for expressing one or more of the other negative emotions: Anger, Hatred, Jealousy, Superstition and the desire for Revenge are often on display when they present what they call “arguments.”

Anyway, my good Professor, you’re right as far as you go in your statement above; but I suspect that you’ve only scratched the surface.

Spurius Ligustinus on January 30, 2007 at 6:16 PM

The soldier whosaid you can’t support without supporting the war really strikes a chord with me today. Yesterday, in my hometown of San Antonio, a huge new rehab facility for wounded troops was dedicated, and there were many politicos and celebs in attendance, including, for some reason, Rosie O’Donnell.

I hope she kept her big mouth shut around around the soldiers, but I doubt she did. Last night one of the local news affiliates interviewed her on the scene, and she said, on TV and still at the rehab center, that she supports the troops but not their mission. She also said that the troops are much braver than the people who sent them into war.

Unfortunately, my son heard me yell the f-word and some other choice ones. I just couldn’t believe that creature couldn’t keep her thoughts to herself for just one day. I’m still furious.

juliesa on January 30, 2007 at 7:31 PM

Sorry about my typos: TWA (Typing While Angry)

juliesa on January 30, 2007 at 7:36 PM

Anybody who buys the left’s “we support the troops, but not the war” mantra is a fool and a Tool.

IMHO, there are way too many of them in America, and they will be the first to scream their outrage when we next get hit by the terrorists at home.

There should be a #### law …

DannoJyd on January 30, 2007 at 8:44 PM

I dunno, Professor … I have a slightly different take on why liberals would rather be “right.”

I think they’d rather feel superior.

Spurius Ligustinus on January 30, 2007 at 6:16 PM

I stand corrected – “superior” is more accurate than “right.” Being “superior” is always at the crux of everything liberals do and say.

In fact, I’ll admit that when I was a liberal, I actually felt I really was superior to those who didn’t think like me. Which is EXACTLY why I (like all young liberals) was able to hide from the truth for so long.

Because if I know I’m superior to all those non-believers, why would I listen? (Sound familiar?)

Once I listened – and grew up a little – I realized where I was wrong. Fortunately, it happens to a lot of liberals.

Superior is exactly right.

Professor Blather on January 30, 2007 at 10:14 PM

Hey, Spurius and Prof, not to sound like a “we’re ALL winners here, there are no losers” type of lefty loo loo liberal, but, YOU’RE *BOTH* RIGHT! :-)

Tony737 on January 30, 2007 at 10:35 PM

Oh, and Prof, you’re way right on Pres. Hillary’s war on China. We would see it as AMERICA vs China, not Hillary vs China because we’re Americans first, Republicans second.

Silly liberals. You can’t support the Troops but not the mission, the Troops ARE the mission!

Tony737 on January 30, 2007 at 10:40 PM

Here’s an analogy for those on campus. Let’s say you are the first in your family to go to college. Your old man is a successful general contractor, he’s done really well, so when you asked if you could go to college, money wasn’t the issue. The issue was that your old man has a verynegative view of college, that it’s a waste of time etc. But after a lot of bitching and grumbling he agrees to let you go. You come home for winter break and he’s on your ass all the time, “Why don’t do something useful with your life instead wasting time with those commies at college,” and so. Finally, you’re getting ready to go, and it’s time to say goodbye to the old man. “Can’t you support me a little dad?” you say. “It’s not easy going to college, and I could really use your support and encouragement.” “Oh, I support you” he says, it’s just what you’re doing that makes me want to puke. I support youa hundred percent.”

I ask you, is he supporting his son? Yes or no.

smellthecoffee on January 30, 2007 at 10:59 PM

Now thats heartache brother! Tell it like it is ! Stuff the truth down kooks throat so they can’t conjure up the lies and decent and get away with it again like they did with Vietnam.

sonnyspats1 on January 31, 2007 at 12:09 AM

Finally, some common sense, if only for a minute, being reported by the MSM. I’ll take what I can get but I’d sure like alot more.

Yakko77 on January 31, 2007 at 12:54 AM

The video was an aberration. It won’t happen again.

georgej on January 31, 2007 at 7:35 AM

I’m hoping that as the Dem candidates start to get rolling that this will be a hot issue. I mean the MSM might lean left but they know making the issues hot for the Dems makes good ratings. They didn’t give too many breeaks for Kerry or Bubba when it made good headlines.

Drtuddle on January 31, 2007 at 12:17 PM

NBC is just running damage control and interferrence since O’Reilly exposed their leftist ways.

Give them a week, and they will be sounding like Andy Rooney at CBS again.

Black Adam on February 1, 2007 at 11:45 AM