The ginormous, never-ending, I’m glad that I can do this while I watch the Super Bowl edition ;-) + ZenPundit linked When America threatens war with Iran. + Hot Air used Tom’s ‘connecting the Gap to the Core’ terminology. +……

NOhonara is interesting, when we talked about war she is a “vet widow”, when the thread turned to anti-semite, her husband is Jewish, when we talked about beauty pagents (the brouhaha over Trump) her daughter went to school with one of contestants or was her best friend or something, when we talked about medical, her daughter is in med. school, when we talked about Churchill, she had studied Churchill extensivly. Get the picture?
You and I, you are a “stupid, stupid, stupid woman”, and I am that “clown” who gave her a key to one of the most sought after history books (Manchester’s last book which is not in print and about half written by him before he died), and the great history buff didn’t take advantage.

right2bright on January 31, 2007 at 8:00 AM

Are you aware of how stalker-like you are? Do you save all my posts?

I have been married twice, and yes, my second husband is Jewish. My daughter attends med school where a past Miss America is enrolled. I never said I studied Churchill extensively, rather that I had read quite a bit about him and therefore was surprised that someone hinting at some level of knowledge was unaware that Churchill’s loss was due to the Brits rejecting the status quo and demanding a more equitable distribution of income post-war–the cental heating comment being a well known bit of short hand for that.

I have to ask you to stop stalking me, it’s creepy.

Thank you for proving my point.

right2bright on January 31, 2007 at 9:14 AM

That you are a hopeless lemming? Sure, no problem. Now go back to your moonie fascination with the extreme right.

Not interested but go ahead and drink of that koolaid.

Angry? Are you capable of channeling Freud?

Bradky on January 31, 2007 at 9:02 AM

Thank you for proving my point.

ou are in for the fight, not the knowledge you could gain from someone like her.

right2bright on January 31, 2007 at 8:29 AM

Ahh right2bright taking on the Knight in Shining armor role for the fair Jen. LOL LOL.

Yes….. I could gain the inflexible moral superiority that she claims, I could gain the intolerance toward anyone that thinks differently,I could call people stupid because that is the best counterargument I am capable of, right……

Not interested but go ahead and drink of that koolaid.

Angry? Are you capable of channeling Freud?

Bradky on January 31, 2007 at 8:06 AM

She can handle all of your other stupid statements and accusations. However number 7 needs to be answered by someone other than her. She can say her opinion is informed because of the hundreds of posts she has made and the paper trail of logic and insight she has provided us. You have not provided anything of real reason for us to learn from, just anger–never discussion. We read what she writes, than we look at what you write, then we compare. Well let’s just say you fall a little short of her intellect and ability to communicate an idea, and leave it at that.
The shame, is after taking you apart (if she wants to waste the time on your other 6 issues) you will not get it. You are in for the fight, not the knowledge you could gain from someone like her.

Jen the Neocon on January 31, 2007 at 5:59 AM

NOhonara is interesting, when we talked about war she is a “vet widow”, when the thread turned to anti-semite, her husband is Jewish, when we talked about beauty pagents (the brouhaha over Trump) her daughter went to school with one of contestants or was her best friend or something, when we talked about medical, her daughter is in med. school, when we talked about Churchill, she had studied Churchill extensivly. Get the picture?
You and I, you are a “stupid, stupid, stupid woman”, and I am that “clown” who gave her a key to one of the most sought after history books (Manchester’s last book which is not in print and about half written by him before he died), and the great history buff didn’t take advantage.

Sigh… false analogy.

From my perspective I’m neither a loud mouthed “celebrity”, nor someone who wasn’t there, but married to someone who was…

I’m more like the First Responder who survived…

But go ahead and be offended if you wish, but one of the drawbacks, and strengths, of the internet is anyone can give an opinion… no matter how educated, or boneheaded, it is.

Romeo13 on January 30, 2007 at 7:28 PM

Offended? No just pointing out correctly that you wrapped yourself in the “moral authority” of having worn the uniform and belittled a spouse’s role in diminishing the value of their opinion.

Definitely not behavior consistent with one of Queen Coulter’s pet peeves.

Now put those shoes on and dance…..

Bradky on January 30, 2007 at 6:14 PM

Sigh… false analogy.

From my perspective I’m neither a loud mouthed “celebrity”, nor someone who wasn’t there, but married to someone who was…

I’m more like the First Responder who survived…

But go ahead and be offended if you wish, but one of the drawbacks, and strengths, of the internet is anyone can give an opinion… no matter how educated, or boneheaded, it is.

Romeo13 on January 30, 2007 at 5:44 PM
You are dancing like the 9-11 widows in response to Coulter’s remarks.

Bradky on January 30, 2007
Question; Is it proper netiquete to butt in a conversation as personal as this? I believe Romeos remarks are directed to Honora from a previous post.

Not only won’t these traitors admit to voting for Kerry, but I can’t find one person who said they voted Democrat in November…Who are these people?!?

All of those brave liberals, funny how I can’t find one person that said they voted for Kerry.

Hmmm… lets see… yep… wifeys experience therefore is clearly equal to my entire military career as a Navy retiree… guess I lost that one…

Romeo13 on January 30, 2007 at 5:44 PM

You are dancing like the 9-11 widows in response to Coulter’s remarks.

…the media and the anti-war people….

It just hit me how revealing and utterly damning the direct linking of these 2 groups actually is.
Oops, no-honor-a, you gave yourself away, except you forgot the 3rd group: Dhimmicrats.
And then there’s the 4th group–teachers and professors on all levels, from grade school up to and including graduate school.
The Left has been pretty busy infiltrating just about everything.
I’m surprised the Republic has survived this long and hasn’t turned into the USSR already, but I’m sure Hillary! will fix that.

honora on January 30, 2007 at 4:15 PM

W

ait a minute, aren’t you the clown

always the snide comment. If you would have followed the links I gave you, you would have discovered the 250 or so pages (which I explained to you) of the next book. It had been circulating for awhile. You missed a great opportunity for a history lesson. I also pasted a name in there, that if followed would have confirmed this one you would have had to know and not just google).

Read the RR bill, it does not give amnesty. Get it? it provides a path, after a deliberate time and steps, for someone to be here legally. Just like know, if someone wants to enter legally they can. Reagans bill has nothing to do with the bills that are being proposed now, RR was a bill…never mind you won’t read it or understand it. You only want to argue.

You are the one who said it was an amnesty bill, I corrected you and challenged you to find the words amnesty in the bill. You couldn’t so you said because it wasn’t in this new bill it wasn’t in the old bill, I don’t know it didn’t make sense then or now. It is not an argument that something wasn’t there 20 years ago because it is not in some other different bill now. It was just to strange to respond to, I am a little embarrassed for you just bring it up. And now you are changing the argument again.
Tancredo can say what he wants, millions did earn the right to belong in this country. They were not given amnesty, let alone blanket amnesty. Look up Reagans bill and you will see that it was greatly different than what has been proposed. His was a path, just like probably your ancestors were given a path, to become a legal worker, legal resident, and hopefully a citizen. If they learned english, learned basic civics, did not violate the law, had proper jobs (proper being not paid in cash, but paid with all witholding and taxes taken out), being regestered, and other criteria.

I see. So the media and the anti-war people aren’t having an effect. Well you’re making some progress.
I am still waiting for your reply to my above post. Hello??
honora on January 30, 2007 at 5:00 PM

You just got through stating that Iraq is more violent. So now you are saying the media and anti-war are causing peace. You just said it was getting more violent, and then when pointed out that you are wrong and the violence is diminishing you are trying to take credit? Is this how you view history? When it turns to good you run and take credit, and when you perceive it as bad you blame others?

So you are in disagreement with Ann Coulter on the idea that someone has a right to speak on a subject even if they have not been directly impacted by it?

I know plenty of military people and their spouses and let me say that the spouse makes a lot more sacrifices to support the country and their military husband or wife than almost anyone you can point to. You are a vet and you know this is true. Almost every military person to a fault readily acknowledges this.

Don’t be petty.

Bradky on January 30, 2007 at 4:27 PM

Not being petty here…

Tell me, you have two people talking about.. oh… physics.

One has studied it for most of his life, worked in the field, and is well educated on the subject…

One knew a physicist once.

They are proposing conflicting opinions on physics.

Don’t you think it would be important to KNOW their backgrounds?

I’ll never say that someone should not speak their opinion, but I WILL point out that their opinion is uninformed and why.

And this….

And being married to him gave me ample experience with military men (and women),

Hmmm… lets see… yep… wifeys experience therefore is clearly equal to my entire military career as a Navy retiree… guess I lost that one…

The violence isn’t getting worse, I think that is great news. Let’s all of us support our efforts for a free Iraq. While others will denounce it as not accurate because MSM and the DNC has not announced it.

You can hear the silence to good news…hello?

right2bright on January 30, 2007 at 4:47 PM

I see. So the media and the anti-war people aren’t having an effect. Well you’re making some progress.

I am still waiting for your reply to my above post. Hello??

In the Citizens Report on Iraq, readers will learn that progress is being made in Iraq; there are large areas of Iraq that are safe and prospering; that the enemy is being killed and wounded in astounding proportion to American casualties; that the reporting on Iraq by the dominant media is universally despised as inaccurate and misleading by those fighting for Free Iraq — Americans and Iraqis alike; that the so-called antiwar movement, including the organizers of this past weekend’s protest in Washington, is led by terrorist supporting Marxists as part of a global alliance seeking America’s defeat in the Global War on Terror and that a prominent White House correspondent has allied herself with one of these groups.
The report includes frank interviews with dozens of Operation Iraqi Freedom veterans, their families and several Gold Star parents. Those who think their support for President Bush and victory in Iraq has waned will be sorely disappointed…
from Michelle Malkin today

Oops,

The violence in Iraq has gotten worse…honora on January 30, 2007 at 4:32 PM

You wish, and hope, that the violence is getting worse. You know, as all liberals know, that if things get better you will not regain the White House, and lose your majority in Congress. What a pathetic doctrine to hold onto. Hoping for the death and destruction of a country to gain power.

The violence isn’t getting worse, I think that is great news. Let’s all of us support our efforts for a free Iraq. While others will denounce it as not accurate because MSM and the DNC has not announced it.

You can hear the silence to good news…hello?

Excuse me Honora, YOU were the one who brought up who had done what for this country…

Yes, and I see YOUR “support” for the troops here. Do I see a bit of personal animus towards military men??? Caused perhaps by your EX??? You know the self congragulatory miltary man?

As to being a “professional veteran”… uh… lets see… we’re talking WAR here… don’t you think the FACT that I’m a Vet, and been to WAR, just might give me a bit of a different perspective on it??? Tell me, besides being married to a vet, just what are your credentials to be talking about this subject? When I’m in my IT chats, I happen to talk about my IT Certs… here we’re talking WAR, so why shouldn’t I bring up what I learned from that time in my life.

As to your assertion that there has NOT been an increase in violence in Iraq in concert with the increased Partisan politics here in America??? Do you bother to read the paper?
Has violence gone DOWN? Has our own political infighting gone down? If you bother to READ our own enemies writings, don’t they talk about this VERY SUBJECT? You can argue which is cause, and which affect, but the facts ARE there.

I would also add, that by your own arguement, GLOBAL WARMING cannot exist, because there is NOT any study that prooves it is manmande. They look at statistical corelations… they have theories… but no PROOF. So, therefore, by your own standards of proof, it must not be true…

Romeo13 on January 30, 2007 at 4:04 PM

He is my late husband. Meaning he’s dead. And being married to him gave me ample experience with military men (and women), enough to know that there are saints and sinners, geniuses and morons, all the usual combo, in the ranks of the military.

I really am not following your argument. Correlations are not causal relationships. The violence in Iraq has gotten worse while the stock market has gone up–is one the cause of the other? It’s a convenient excuse for a poor choice and more poor choices–it’s all the media, the anti-war movement, whine, whine, whine.

As to being a “professional veteran”… uh… lets see… we’re talking WAR here… don’t you think the FACT that I’m a Vet, and been to WAR, just might give me a bit of a different perspective on it??? Tell me, besides being married to a vet, just what are your credentials to be talking about this subject? Romeo13 on January 30, 2007 at 4:04 PM

So you are in disagreement with Ann Coulter on the idea that someone has a right to speak on a subject even if they have not been directly impacted by it?

I know plenty of military people and their spouses and let me say that the spouse makes a lot more sacrifices to support the country and their military husband or wife than almost anyone you can point to. You are a vet and you know this is true. Almost every military person to a fault readily acknowledges this.

Don’t be petty.

Coming from someone who when caught in the same act decided that the argument was not worth pursuing, and rather than admitting wrong, ran and hid.

Two instances: One when you called it the Reagan Amnesty bill, and two, when you said that Churchill was not elected because the Brits did not have forced air heating (although it did give me a great laugh).
Don’t call people out for what you are not capable of yourself.

right2bright on January 30, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Wait a minute, aren’t you the clown who advised me to read The Last Lion to inform myself about Churchill’s election loss after the war? Sadly unaware that that book covered Churchill’s life only until 1941? (A fact perhaps abridged from the Cliffs Notes?)

And, one more time, here is a link to an interview with Tancredo

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11141/tancredo.html

Note the passage:

We now have something to look at, historically speaking. The Simpson-Mazzoli Act in 1986 was almost exactly the same sort of situation, where we had massive illegal immigration—not quite as massive as what we’ve got [now], but relatively speaking as massive—we had the calls for amnesty, with the promise that if we provided that amnesty—essentially guest workers, creating a huge legalized work force, a cheap labor work force—if we were to do that, we were promised that there would be worksite enforcement, that Mexico would work with us to try to stem the flow of illegal aliens, and our problems would be solved.

That was twenty years ago. Of course we know that we did not just give amnesty to one million people—at the time that was the number given—we gave it to three million and we ended up with between fifteen and twenty million illegal aliens twenty years later. The reason you have to have the enforcement part first is because I don’t trust the administration to ever do the enforcement part if you give them any sort of guest worker opportunity.

This discussion started when I stated that RR’s bill in the 80′s gave amnesty in the same way the current McCain/Kennedy bill will. I seem to recall you then tried to go with the idea that the word amnesty did not appear in the 1986 bill; I countered that it doesn’t appear in the current bill either.

You never replied to that. Had time to think of another way out?

Yes, and I see YOUR “support” for the troops here. Do I see a bit of personal animus towards military men??? Caused perhaps by your EX??? You know the self congragulatory miltary man?

As to being a “professional veteran”… uh… lets see… we’re talking WAR here… don’t you think the FACT that I’m a Vet, and been to WAR, just might give me a bit of a different perspective on it??? Tell me, besides being married to a vet, just what are your credentials to be talking about this subject? When I’m in my IT chats, I happen to talk about my IT Certs… here we’re talking WAR, so why shouldn’t I bring up what I learned from that time in my life.

As to your assertion that there has NOT been an increase in violence in Iraq in concert with the increased Partisan politics here in America??? Do you bother to read the paper?
Has violence gone DOWN? Has our own political infighting gone down? If you bother to READ our own enemies writings, don’t they talk about this VERY SUBJECT? You can argue which is cause, and which affect, but the facts ARE there.

I would also add, that by your own arguement, GLOBAL WARMING cannot exist, because there is NOT any study that prooves it is manmande. They look at statistical corelations… they have theories… but no PROOF. So, therefore, by your own standards of proof, it must not be true…