All I can say to Dr. Katme is: Common sense not included.

It’s not the kids’ fault, but let’s be honest and admit that a LOT of these kids WILL grow up to toe the islamic line. At that point they will again blame the ‘evil’ west and the zionist monsters for their self-inflicted problems.

You should take into consideration that the Bill of Rights is not absolute, nor did the Founders intend it to be.

For example, you can’t yell “FIRE” in a theater and claim protection under the Constitution. You can’t burn a swastika on a Jew’s lawn and claim a Constitutional right to do so. Nor can you burn a cross in a black’s front yard. Neither can you paint an advertisement on the side of someone’s house without their consent, and you can’t force people to accept obscene mailings.

There other “apparent” exceptions to the Bill of Rights that the Founders were clearly aware of. For example, there is a body of law using two legal concepts that predate the Constitution. In fact it goes back to English common law. One is the concept of “natural law.” And the other is called the “Police Powers.”

The “Police Powers” have traditionally been intended to insure the public’s health, safety, and welfare. It is the foundation of zoning laws. And, it is also the foundation of the public health laws.

Freedom of religion is not absolute. We do NOT allow Muslims to conduct “honor killings” in America. We do NOT allow the killing of Muslim apostates (which a fundamental requirement of Islam). We do NOT allow Hatian sects to torture animals as “sacrifice.” The Supreme Court says that native Americans do not have the right to use peyote in their religious celebrations, whether you or I agree with it or not.

We do not allow polyandry or poligamy in America; not from Mormons nor Muslims.

I agree, people have a right to refuse inoculation. BUT, the public has a right to deny such people a place at the table. Children who are not inoculated cannot attend school. Members of the military who refuse inoculation (for any reason, including religious) are courtmartialed and/or dismissed from service. People going to certain countries WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE UNITED STATES unless they have proof of the appropriate inoculations.

That’s the way it is. It is not an abridgment of religion, it is enforcement of a “Police Power.”

Here’s more: A person CAN NOT work in the food industry by claiming a religious exemption to washing their hands with soap and water, even if the soap is derived from “unclean” sources (i.e., certain animal fats).

A surgeon, regardless of religion, may not operate without following sterile procedure. If he wears a beard, he must insure that he does not contaminate his patient. Ditto for a Sikh doctor and his turban.

Veternarians in my state, regardless of religion, must be inoculated against rabies. Otherwise the state will pull their licenses.

I understand the issues facing parents concerning inoculations. I faced them 15 years ago when my children needed state-mandated vacination for pertussis. Had any of my children suffered an adverse reaction beyond mild fever or redness, it would have the last inoculation that they would have received, and it probably would have been medically justified. These reasons I can understand and support.

Another point: The influx of illegal aliens from Mexico are also bringing an influx of polio, whooping cough, measles and other diseases such as the Henta virus into our community, because some are NOT innoculated in Mexico (for whatever reason). It is one more reason for the “fence” to curtail illegal imigration by forcing imigrants to enter the country legally, and one more reason to dump all amnesty plans.

Or a short walk across the border, depending upon where your flight terminates. That’s my biggest problem with illegal immigration after the terrorist ease of entry. None of these folks are medically screened until they are well established into the country, if at all.

During the last few years we had mumps and another childhood disease outbreak in the midwest. I recall CDC saying that it was just a normal thing and nothing to worry about. Who really knows? There are a lot of illegals working in the agricultural sector.

And before the black helicopters start hovering outside….ecoli bacteria in vegetables?? Coincidence??

I am enjoying the thought experiment of a talk show getting some nanny-state leftist on to ‘debate’ a fundamentalist who refuses to immunize his kids, neglecting to tell the representative of the Annointed that it’s a Muslim until the host has described the basic scenario.

It could be like the cognitive dissonance resloution in Dave Chappelle’s classic blind black white supremacist mockumentary.

The Monster on January 28, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Vaccination and religion is not just among Muslims. If you study religion you will find it in the following religions…

Muslims
Judaism
Christian Scientists
Dutch Orthodox Reform Church
Roman Catholics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_and_religion is a good place to start.

It could be like the cognitive dissonance resloution in Dave Chappelle’s classic blind black white supremacist mockumentary.

Not only will the children of the West have to fight Islamo-facists they also have the handicap of a meteroic rise in autism. Early vaccines may be one of the multi-faceted factors of autism.

You can get vaccines without thymersol, but they cost a lot more.

SUCH PARENTS MAKE US ALL LESS SAFE.

Yes, I know that there are some religious sects that oppose inoculation in the United States. I respect and support the right of everybody to practice whatever religion they choose. As longs as their belief does NOT endanger me or mine. And religious practices that foster the spread of disease crosses that line. These believers have NO RIGHT TO ENDANGER ME OR MY FAMILY by being vectors of infection.

georgej on January 28, 2007 at 4:32 PM

georgej,

You and me are going to have to part ways here.

The religious believers have every right to refuse based on religious practices.

Freedom of religion (without government interference) is allowed.

Frankly that is a risk you take by living in a society, if you don’t like it then you are free to move elsewhere, I will l not interfere with your right to do so.

The funny thing is I am more in the AllahPundint camp when it comes to religion (just not as far left as he is).

However when I was in the military and “shot up” with an Anthrax vaccine I was not happy about it and if I could have, I would have refused it (without the fear of court-martial).

Frankly any shot given to me directly impacts my body (not yours). You take chances living in a society if you get a possible virus/disease that is part of life.

Sorry for the rant, given that I have asthema and other issues, and given that even an upper respiratory infection usually causes me major flare ups that makes my life miserable (or worse),…

I suppose I could go back to WW2 times and say you are not perfect and your upper respiratory problems may impact the gene pool, and as a result it is you that need to be dealt with and not some hypothetical person.

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, says almost all vaccines contain un-Islamic “haram” derivatives of animal or human tissue, and that Muslim parents are better off letting childrens’ immune systems develop on their own.

Dr Katme, an NHS psychiatrist, said: “If you breastfeed your child for two years – as the Koran says – and you eat Koranic food like olives and black seed, and you do ablution each time you pray, then you will have a strong defence system.”

I was going to excerpt or quote the part I agreed with, but since I agree with it all, I’ve included it.

Dr. Katme, I salute you. Allahpundit, many non-religious physicians have come to this conclusion.

Keeping muslim women burkha-clad and indoors is another Islamic opinion we can endorse and encourage, for the same reason. We can even help by offering textiles that block the sun’s harmful ultraviolet rays.

The children are innocent.

Their parents are not, because they follow monsters masquerading as “religious leaders.”

THEY, these UK Muslim parents, decided that vaccinations are bad because their Iman tells them so. Well guess what, boys and girls. WE in America have similar “religious leaders,” the liberals and the liberal press (read Ann Coulter’s latest book) who are panicking American parents by who now fret that hypothetical adverse reactions are actually deliberate poisons subjected upon their children by a greedy pharmaceutical industry, more interested in profit than in preventing disease. I kid you not.

If a child IS allergic to a medicine, and has evidenced hypersensitivity to immunization, that is one thing. Such children (or adults) should not be placed in danger. The population can tolerate a few people not immunized without a great fear of epidemic. But wholesale refusal of “whooping cough” or “diphtheria” or “polio” shots because certain liberal advocacy groups and the liberal media over-hype a small number of children which do evidence a strong adverse reaction, is something else.

SUCH PARENTS MAKE US ALL LESS SAFE.

Large groups of people refusing inoculations for them selves and their children increase the number of people vulnerable to the disease. These people then become the VICTIMS as well as carriers of the disease, and when it is a child, it is especially heartbreaking when the disease in question could have been prevented by an inoculation.

Yes, I know that there are some religious sects that oppose inoculation in the United States. I respect and support the right of everybody to practice whatever religion they choose. As longs as their belief does NOT endanger me or mine. And religious practices that foster the spread of disease crosses that line. These believers have NO RIGHT TO ENDANGER ME OR MY FAMILY by being vectors of infection.

Their right to practice their religion ENDS when their practice endangers others.

And in case my message is not clear enough: SUCH PARENTS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR REASONS, WHO REFUSE TO INSURE THEIR CHILDREN ARE INOCULATED AGAINST INFECTIOUS DISEASES ARE A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE REST OF US AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR, BEFORE THEY MAKE THE REST OF US ILL.

I just shelled out $120 dollars to have my youngest daughter inoculated for meningitis before she moved into the dorm this month. I didn’t have to. It isn’t required by my state for college kids to be vaccinated. Nevertheless, not only am I protecting my daughter, but we are doing our part to help contain a disease that snuffs out the lives of many college students, sometimes even before that case of “flue” is diagnosed as a highly contagious disease.

Americans and western Europeans have become complacent because the major epidemics of the past are no longer threats to the rest of us. We forget how hard we all worked to achieve this.

Public health is no joke. It is requires a community response, from food preparers washing their hands after going to the bathroom, to health inspections of restaurants, to inspections of food preparation facilities to keep spoiled or diseased food from being consumed, to tracking of STDs, to statistical reporting of morbidity, and so on.

Even one death from of E-coli or salmonella is too many. And yet, every year now, we see people — whose only “crime” was to purchase food from a resturant or a store — die a painful death from one of these two food-born illnesses.

Publid health requires that ALL of us cooperate in insuring that we as individuals are not part of the problem.

So, if these UK children die of easily preventable diseases because of the follow their stupid Iman, then it is really “God’s will.” And if their neighbors string them up from lampposts for getting THEIR kids sick, that would also be “God’s will!”

Sorry for the rant, given that I have asthema and other issues, and given that even an upper respiratory infection usually causes me major flare ups that makes my life miserable (or worse), I have become intolerant of people whose ignorance or lack of consideration gets others sick.

Doesn’t this buffoon know that oil, itself, is an haram substance (sublimated from prehistoric lizard ichor, among other “unclean” critters and materials)

hmmmm…I’m thinking this might be a really good rumor to start–they’re such conspiracy idiots they might just buy it.

/what are black seeds? Poppy?

There’s loony, and then there’s complete insanity. This pretty much takes the cake. I bet when they contract certain diseases, they’ll blame the Jews….

Doesn’t this buffoon know that oil, itself, is an haram substance….
profitsbeard on January 28, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Excellent post. That message belongs on t-shirts and billboards.