Top British Muslim doctor: Just say no to vaccinations
posted at 2:01 pm on January 28, 2007 by Allahpundit
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He’s the Mary Baker Eddy of dar al-Islam.
Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, says almost all vaccines contain un-Islamic “haram” derivatives of animal or human tissue, and that Muslim parents are better off letting childrens’ immune systems develop on their own.
Dr Katme, an NHS psychiatrist, said: “If you breastfeed your child for two years – as the Koran says – and you eat Koranic food like olives and black seed, and you do ablution each time you pray, then you will have a strong defence system.”
Thankfully, Muslim groups are giving him static for it.
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I think they should listen to him.
Buck Turgidson on January 28, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Lovely.
Allahpundit on January 28, 2007 at 2:08 PM
And now a word from Ali Baba’s surgeon general…
Zorro on January 28, 2007 at 2:08 PM
I’m not sure about how thankful I am over that. ;)
bj1126 on January 28, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Gee….sorta like giving your own people ‘blankets’.
This woman needs to be silenced by the government. Innocent children, regardless of their religion, cannot be put into this oven. Any Muslim doctor with any GUMBALLS should be at the TV and radio stations condemning this woman.
Limerick on January 28, 2007 at 2:11 PM
sorry HE
Limerick on January 28, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Can’t something be done…in the legal sense…to make sure children get the vaccinations they need? Sounds like something like this might have some precedent, say with Christian Science?
JetBoy on January 28, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Why would he want to step back from medical advances? Ritual bathing, olives, black seeds; does he hate the west so much as to sacrifice their infant children???
I’m glad the British muslums have rejected this idea, this 7th century stuff has gone too far.
Zorro on January 28, 2007 at 2:17 PM
It’s a guy. “Abdul”?
Allahpundit on January 28, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Paul’s an Abdul. . .anyway. This can be a bit of a hot bed issue. On one side you have a nut and on the other are school nurses that want to give you children Prozac and not tell you along with those that want to force doctors to give and pharmasies to sell abortion pills. So I leave you with a ponderance. :)
- The Cat
MirCat on January 28, 2007 at 2:21 PM
(red faced…emotional…kicking myself)…Lim 0/Community 10…
Just went off I guess.
If anyone here thinks we ought to LET this doctor kill then you don’t belong to any part of the human race I want to be associated with.
Limerick on January 28, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Katme is just another cancer in the medical profession.
GT on January 28, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Sorry AP. I don’t want anybody to have sick babies. What I meant was this is yet another example of the 7th century haram crap foisted on their own people. Like honor killing & fgm. One of islam’s weakness is it’s nonsensical oppression. Thats why they make you memorize it. No time to see what BS it is. If we pull out of Iraq and sunnis and shia start a blood bath what are we supposed to feel? I’ll be damn sorry to see it happen if it does. Yet we’re supposed to accept how their culture does things when there’s a better way the world is offering them.
Buck Turgidson on January 28, 2007 at 2:35 PM
Never go to a pyschiatrist for a physical.
gary on January 28, 2007 at 2:35 PM
Idiots like that guy are the reason that diseases which should have been wiped out decades ago are still a threat. Well, that and the illegal alien population not getting vaccinations either.
ReubenJCogburn on January 28, 2007 at 2:42 PM
InstaGlenn’s calling it Evolution In Action. Maybe he has a point.
bdfaith on January 28, 2007 at 2:43 PM
I think he should get a Darwin Award.
bloggless on January 28, 2007 at 2:45 PM
What garbage…hmmm, who will pay for all the medical care for the sick children, whose enormous expenses could have been prevented with vaccinations? Certainly not the leach, blood-sucking Muslims who won’t work but just want to collect the jizza tax by sucking up all the welfare resources. This never ends with this blood-sucking, devil-worshipping child-abusing cult.
JustTruth101 on January 28, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Most of the kids in my family aren’t vaccinated. They also get sick a lot less frequently than kids I know out side of my family.
Call it whatever you want. Modern medicine is seriously flawed. I’m not saying it’s evil. I take meds when I’m sick like everyone else.
but
if you can stay away from drugs you should.
One Angry Christian on January 28, 2007 at 2:59 PM
Doesn’t this buffoon know that oil, itself, is an haram substance (sublimated from prehistoric lizard ichor, among other “unclean” critters and materials) and should therefore be forbidden to all Muslims and Islamic countries as a source of anything, from Saudi and Iranian wealth to mundane petroleum jelly for a forehead rash from battering your noggin on the floor five times a day?
If they want to kill their kids through the dismal, retrograde dogmas of the 7th century, let them return with their little freeloaders to Mecca and have the polio / TB / small pox fest begin!
You can’t have unvaccinated people roaming around in a tightly-knit industrailized civilization and then have them expect you to pay for their nescient fecklessness.
profitsbeard on January 28, 2007 at 3:18 PM
I bet liberals will actually reconsider mandatory vaccinations for schoolchildren in the name of multiculturalism, now that Islam (their favorite religion) is complaining.
Previously if you complained about having to give your kid such vaccinations as Hepatitis B, schools told you that you had to or else the kid couldn’t come to school.
But if a Muslim complains that it is un-Islamic, I bet the NEA will be bowing down in submission.
januarius on January 28, 2007 at 3:33 PM
I think it is absolutely essential that all Muslims follow this advice.
To do otherwise would be un-islamic.
If Allah wishes you to live he will provide you with the defense system needed, no true Muslim should ever accept Kaffir medicine!
JayHaw Phrenzie on January 28, 2007 at 3:42 PM
This isn’t funny at all. Disaster has already occurred. The worldwide polio eradication, a decade+ -long massive immunization program with billions of dollars for vaccines and a remarkable door-to-door village level sweep, was about to be realized, but Muslim extremists have set it back. All the remaining wild polio strains were found in Muslim countries and to their credit, those countries had put in efforts to help isolate the last vestiges of polio – cases were in the tens at last, just small, fairly isolated pockets. Northern Nigerian Wahhabist-trained muslim leaders in Kano announced no immunizations. The health workers were threatened, the program stopped in the worst areas. Nigeria has been reinfecting areas of Africa that had seen polio eradicated. India, the same pattern, Pakistan same. Families were hiding their kids – sending them out to the fields when the health workers came around. Plenty of Muslims worked very hard to get vaccinations accomplished, with lots of positive publicity, trying to educate the public, putting their prestige behind the drives, getting out to homes, but extremist radicals put out hostile rumors, derailed their and everyone else’s efforts. The polio campaign was on the cusp of success, but now no one knows if they can make another drive that hard – so much was invested.
naliaka on January 28, 2007 at 3:52 PM
BTW
Our kids are vaccinated. If people had the chance to see what say, typhoid, diptheria or polio can really do to you, they wouldn’t hesitate. We don’t see the ravages of these things so much in the US anymore, but huge reservoirs of these easily transmittable diseases exists just a plane-ride away.
naliaka on January 28, 2007 at 3:55 PM
Excellent post. That message belongs on t-shirts and billboards.
CrimsonFisted on January 28, 2007 at 3:57 PM
At some point, they’ll blame the Jews.
JammieWearingFool on January 28, 2007 at 4:06 PM
hmmmm…I’m thinking this might be a really good rumor to start–they’re such conspiracy idiots they might just buy it.
/what are black seeds? Poppy?
Bob's Kid on January 28, 2007 at 4:16 PM
There comes a time when outrage that children will die because of the ignorance of their parents, especially when they follow leaders with a 7th Century mindset, ceases to matter.
The children are innocent.
Their parents are not, because they follow monsters masquerading as “religious leaders.”
THEY, these UK Muslim parents, decided that vaccinations are bad because their Iman tells them so. Well guess what, boys and girls. WE in America have similar “religious leaders,” the liberals and the liberal press (read Ann Coulter’s latest book) who are panicking American parents by who now fret that hypothetical adverse reactions are actually deliberate poisons subjected upon their children by a greedy pharmaceutical industry, more interested in profit than in preventing disease. I kid you not.
If a child IS allergic to a medicine, and has evidenced hypersensitivity to immunization, that is one thing. Such children (or adults) should not be placed in danger. The population can tolerate a few people not immunized without a great fear of epidemic. But wholesale refusal of “whooping cough” or “diphtheria” or “polio” shots because certain liberal advocacy groups and the liberal media over-hype a small number of children which do evidence a strong adverse reaction, is something else.
SUCH PARENTS MAKE US ALL LESS SAFE.
Large groups of people refusing inoculations for them selves and their children increase the number of people vulnerable to the disease. These people then become the VICTIMS as well as carriers of the disease, and when it is a child, it is especially heartbreaking when the disease in question could have been prevented by an inoculation.
Yes, I know that there are some religious sects that oppose inoculation in the United States. I respect and support the right of everybody to practice whatever religion they choose. As longs as their belief does NOT endanger me or mine. And religious practices that foster the spread of disease crosses that line. These believers have NO RIGHT TO ENDANGER ME OR MY FAMILY by being vectors of infection.
Their right to practice their religion ENDS when their practice endangers others.
And in case my message is not clear enough: SUCH PARENTS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR REASONS, WHO REFUSE TO INSURE THEIR CHILDREN ARE INOCULATED AGAINST INFECTIOUS DISEASES ARE A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE REST OF US AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR, BEFORE THEY MAKE THE REST OF US ILL.
I just shelled out $120 dollars to have my youngest daughter inoculated for meningitis before she moved into the dorm this month. I didn’t have to. It isn’t required by my state for college kids to be vaccinated. Nevertheless, not only am I protecting my daughter, but we are doing our part to help contain a disease that snuffs out the lives of many college students, sometimes even before that case of “flue” is diagnosed as a highly contagious disease.
Americans and western Europeans have become complacent because the major epidemics of the past are no longer threats to the rest of us. We forget how hard we all worked to achieve this.
Public health is no joke. It is requires a community response, from food preparers washing their hands after going to the bathroom, to health inspections of restaurants, to inspections of food preparation facilities to keep spoiled or diseased food from being consumed, to tracking of STDs, to statistical reporting of morbidity, and so on.
Even one death from of E-coli or salmonella is too many. And yet, every year now, we see people — whose only “crime” was to purchase food from a resturant or a store — die a painful death from one of these two food-born illnesses.
Publid health requires that ALL of us cooperate in insuring that we as individuals are not part of the problem.
So, if these UK children die of easily preventable diseases because of the follow their stupid Iman, then it is really “God’s will.” And if their neighbors string them up from lampposts for getting THEIR kids sick, that would also be “God’s will!”
Sorry for the rant, given that I have asthema and other issues, and given that even an upper respiratory infection usually causes me major flare ups that makes my life miserable (or worse), I have become intolerant of people whose ignorance or lack of consideration gets others sick.
georgej on January 28, 2007 at 4:32 PM
This is an Islamic opinion we can all endorse. If it becomes widespread, it’ll help address the demographic problem, provided that the rest of us keep up on our vaccinations.
Keeping muslim women burkha-clad and indoors is another Islamic opinion we can endorse and encourage, for the same reason. We can even help by offering textiles that block the sun’s harmful ultraviolet rays.
Kralizec on January 28, 2007 at 4:45 PM
I second the question; what is black seed?
Sammy316 on January 28, 2007 at 4:52 PM
What are black seed. I apologize.
Sammy316 on January 28, 2007 at 4:52 PM
He works for the NHS???
Alex K on January 28, 2007 at 4:57 PM
Dr Katme, an NHS psychiatrist
Much like Al Gore, Bachelor of Arts in something non-science, pontificating on climatology.
naliaka on January 28, 2007 at 5:10 PM
“To hell with reality. Use the power of egocentrism.” from a practitioner.
Dusty on January 28, 2007 at 6:16 PM
I agree.
I was going to excerpt or quote the part I agreed with, but since I agree with it all, I’ve included it.
Dr. Katme, I salute you. Allahpundit, many non-religious physicians have come to this conclusion.
Christoph on January 28, 2007 at 6:46 PM
georgej,
You and me are going to have to part ways here.
The religious believers have every right to refuse based on religious practices.
Freedom of religion (without government interference) is allowed.
Frankly that is a risk you take by living in a society, if you don’t like it then you are free to move elsewhere, I will l not interfere with your right to do so.
The funny thing is I am more in the AllahPundint camp when it comes to religion (just not as far left as he is).
However when I was in the military and “shot up” with an Anthrax vaccine I was not happy about it and if I could have, I would have refused it (without the fear of court-martial).
Frankly any shot given to me directly impacts my body (not yours). You take chances living in a society if you get a possible virus/disease that is part of life.
I suppose I could go back to WW2 times and say you are not perfect and your upper respiratory problems may impact the gene pool, and as a result it is you that need to be dealt with and not some hypothetical person.
F15Mech on January 28, 2007 at 6:54 PM
I’m going to cross over the aisle on this one. Until they remove the thymersol (a mercury preservative to prevent spoilage) from most of the vaccines I would also hold off on vaccines for very young children – at least until after age two when the blood-brain barrier is fully developed.
Not only will the children of the West have to fight Islamo-facists they also have the handicap of a meteroic rise in autism. Early vaccines may be one of the multi-faceted factors of autism.
You can get vaccines without thymersol, but they cost a lot more.
Texas Mike on January 28, 2007 at 7:57 PM
Texas Mike, there have been no credible studies linking thymersol (or vaccinations in general) to autism. People are exposing children to a very real risk of death or disability to avoid a non-existent risk.
jic on January 28, 2007 at 8:40 PM
I am enjoying the thought experiment of a talk show getting some nanny-state leftist on to ‘debate’ a fundamentalist who refuses to immunize his kids, neglecting to tell the representative of the Annointed that it’s a Muslim until the host has described the basic scenario.
It could be like the cognitive dissonance resloution in Dave Chappelle’s classic blind black white supremacist mockumentary.
The Monster on January 28, 2007 at 8:45 PM
Vaccination and religion is not just among Muslims. If you study religion you will find it in the following religions…
Muslims
Judaism
Christian Scientists
Dutch Orthodox Reform Church
Roman Catholics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_and_religion is a good place to start.
F15Mech on January 28, 2007 at 9:24 PM
naliaka on January 28, 2007 at 3:55 PM
Or a short walk across the border, depending upon where your flight terminates. That’s my biggest problem with illegal immigration after the terrorist ease of entry. None of these folks are medically screened until they are well established into the country, if at all.
During the last few years we had mumps and another childhood disease outbreak in the midwest. I recall CDC saying that it was just a normal thing and nothing to worry about. Who really knows? There are a lot of illegals working in the agricultural sector.
And before the black helicopters start hovering outside….ecoli bacteria in vegetables?? Coincidence??
TugboatPhil on January 28, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Maybe we should flouridate their water.
Buck Turgidson on January 28, 2007 at 9:42 PM
Well, F15Mech, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
You should take into consideration that the Bill of Rights is not absolute, nor did the Founders intend it to be.
For example, you can’t yell “FIRE” in a theater and claim protection under the Constitution. You can’t burn a swastika on a Jew’s lawn and claim a Constitutional right to do so. Nor can you burn a cross in a black’s front yard. Neither can you paint an advertisement on the side of someone’s house without their consent, and you can’t force people to accept obscene mailings.
There other “apparent” exceptions to the Bill of Rights that the Founders were clearly aware of. For example, there is a body of law using two legal concepts that predate the Constitution. In fact it goes back to English common law. One is the concept of “natural law.” And the other is called the “Police Powers.”
The “Police Powers” have traditionally been intended to insure the public’s health, safety, and welfare. It is the foundation of zoning laws. And, it is also the foundation of the public health laws.
Freedom of religion is not absolute. We do NOT allow Muslims to conduct “honor killings” in America. We do NOT allow the killing of Muslim apostates (which a fundamental requirement of Islam). We do NOT allow Hatian sects to torture animals as “sacrifice.” The Supreme Court says that native Americans do not have the right to use peyote in their religious celebrations, whether you or I agree with it or not.
We do not allow polyandry or poligamy in America; not from Mormons nor Muslims.
I agree, people have a right to refuse inoculation. BUT, the public has a right to deny such people a place at the table. Children who are not inoculated cannot attend school. Members of the military who refuse inoculation (for any reason, including religious) are courtmartialed and/or dismissed from service. People going to certain countries WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE UNITED STATES unless they have proof of the appropriate inoculations.
That’s the way it is. It is not an abridgment of religion, it is enforcement of a “Police Power.”
Here’s more: A person CAN NOT work in the food industry by claiming a religious exemption to washing their hands with soap and water, even if the soap is derived from “unclean” sources (i.e., certain animal fats).
A surgeon, regardless of religion, may not operate without following sterile procedure. If he wears a beard, he must insure that he does not contaminate his patient. Ditto for a Sikh doctor and his turban.
Veternarians in my state, regardless of religion, must be inoculated against rabies. Otherwise the state will pull their licenses.
I understand the issues facing parents concerning inoculations. I faced them 15 years ago when my children needed state-mandated vacination for pertussis. Had any of my children suffered an adverse reaction beyond mild fever or redness, it would have the last inoculation that they would have received, and it probably would have been medically justified. These reasons I can understand and support.
Another point: The influx of illegal aliens from Mexico are also bringing an influx of polio, whooping cough, measles and other diseases such as the Henta virus into our community, because some are NOT innoculated in Mexico (for whatever reason). It is one more reason for the “fence” to curtail illegal imigration by forcing imigrants to enter the country legally, and one more reason to dump all amnesty plans.
georgej on January 29, 2007 at 4:40 AM
wow, some long posts here …
It’s not the kids’ fault, but let’s be honest and admit that a LOT of these kids WILL grow up to toe the islamic line. At that point they will again blame the ‘evil’ west and the zionist monsters for their self-inflicted problems.
Aylios on January 29, 2007 at 10:47 AM
So we feel that the natural defenses of the body will ward off Typphoid, Cholera, Polio, Smallpox, etc.
All I can say to Dr. Katme is: Common sense not included.
Natrium on January 29, 2007 at 3:56 PM
Every time I ask how stupid can the Muslims get, they come back with a new answer.
Tantor on January 29, 2007 at 6:34 PM
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