Study: Multiculturalism fuels fanaticism among British Muslims; Update: Muslims “about to take over Europe,” says Bernard Lewis

posted at 9:10 pm on January 28, 2007 by Allahpundit

I can’t even muster a sarcastic “surprise!” for this one.

The poll exposes a fracture between the attitudes of Muslims aged 16 to 24, most of whom were born in Britain, and those of their parents’ generation, who are more likely to have been immigrants…

Academic Munira Mirza, lead author of the report, said: “The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multi-cultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasised difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines.”…

While only 17 per cent of over-55s said theywould prefer to live under Sharia law, thatincreased to 37 per cent of those aged 16 to 24…

The poll found that just 19 per cent of Muslims over 55 would prefer to send their children to Islamic state schools. That increased to 37 per cent of those aged 16 to 24.

If a Muslim converts to another religion, 36 per cent of 16-to-24-year-olds thought this should be punished by death, compared with 19 per cent of 55s and over.

Update: So much meat!

The Muslims “seem to be about to take over Europe,” Lewis said at a special briefing with the editorial staff of The Jerusalem Post. Asked what this meant for the continent’s Jews, he responded, “The outlook for the Jewish communities of Europe is dim.” Soon, he warned, the only pertinent question regarding Europe’s future would be, “Will it be an Islamized Europe or Europeanized Islam?”…

Instead of fighting the threat, he elaborated, Europeans had given up.

“Europeans are losing their own loyalties and their own self-confidence,” he said. “They have no respect for their own culture.” Europeans had “surrendered” on every issue with regard to Islam in a mood of “self-abasement,” “political correctness” and “multi-culturalism,” said Lewis, who was born in London to middle-class Jewish parents but has long lived in the United States…

The Cold War philosophy of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD), which prevented the former Soviet Union and the United States from using the nuclear weapons they had targeted at each other, would not apply to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s Iran, said Lewis.

“For him, Mutual Assured Destruction is not a deterrent, it is an inducement,” said Lewis of Ahmadinejad.


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Looks like a good sign – after the more idealistic youth meets the reality of everyday life their perspective changes. Kind of like the tendency to be more liberal when younger in the U.S.

Bradky on January 28, 2007 at 9:17 PM

I can’t believe jolly old England is going to surrender to the jihad. France I can believe. England, fighting off the whermacht and V2s, ought to put up more of a fight. Has socialism completely lulled them to sleep? What would Richard the Lionhearted think?

Buck Turgidson on January 28, 2007 at 9:21 PM

Sharia law, which is practised in large parts of the Middle East, specifies stonings and amputations as routine punishments for crimes.

Exactly… the reason that since they are living under the yoak of freedom, they can have these views, but put it into practice…………. another story.

I can’t wait to see the Punk Rock that springs from Mother England after this pans out……. Spot On.

PinkyBigglesworth on January 28, 2007 at 9:25 PM

I did not get that at all, Bradkey, were you being sarcastic? I got quite the opposite, lack of encouragement to assimilate has made the youngsters more radical.

bbz123 on January 28, 2007 at 9:26 PM

The British had a world empire? Perish the thought if they had any backbone.

SouthernGent on January 28, 2007 at 9:40 PM

Wow, that’s a very large tiny minority!

Kevin M on January 28, 2007 at 9:44 PM

Its simple the older Muslims have come from Islamic states where they KNOW things are terrible.

The young are fed some Bull about how wonderful Islam is and how its a utopia in Islamic states and the only thing preventing that is western Civilization.

Its easy to see the propaganda at work in these numbers. The western media feeds the jihad by preaching tolerance at the same time the Muslim immans are preaching intolerance.

Bottom line is you cant create seperate societies inside of one society as it will ultimately lead to someone to attempt to create their utopia at everyone elses expense.

Hitler wasnt a threat because he ruled over a small minority, Hitler was a threat because he used his small minority to dominate everyone else.

William Amos on January 28, 2007 at 9:51 PM

The part that I find scary is that 1/5 of older Muslims think that changing one’s religion is cause to be put to death and this is the group that has not been exposed to multiculturalism.

dawgyear on January 28, 2007 at 10:00 PM

I did not get that at all, Bradkey, were you being sarcastic? I got quite the opposite, lack of encouragement to assimilate has made the youngsters more radical.

bbz123 on January 28, 2007 at 9:26 PM

No not really being sarcastic. I am sure that if asked, many of the parents would sigh and tell you -”we tell them how great they have it here compared to what we knew in the old country and they just don’t respect that. Young people what can you say?”

In the U.S. kids tend to rebel to some degree against their parents – no not to look for sharia but they do definitely lean toward the ideological liberal “why can’t we all get along and it’s not my place to judge”. Most don’t stay with that line of thought.

Call it the optimist in me.

Bradky on January 28, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Holy crap, one in five! Ugh. Start deporting them yesterday. I wonder what the stats are here?

Savage on January 28, 2007 at 10:10 PM

I swear I remember the Clinton administration totally dissing the established British Government of the Regan era. I suppose the communist who are now cavorting around merry ye old are going to be major players in our new foreign policy, if the democrats win the Presidental election. To quote Jack Nicholson “the difference between men and women is women lack fidelity and accountability”.

sonnyspats1 on January 28, 2007 at 10:24 PM

For a little fun, try replacing the first word with ANY word(s), and see if it doesn’t work just as well.

[________________] fuels fanaticism among British Muslims.

A) Piggy Banks.
B) Vaccines.
C) Pop Music.
D) Cartoons.
E) Free Speech.

P.C. self-castration invites contempt.

profitsbeard on January 28, 2007 at 10:28 PM

This is news to no one. The only difference is conservatives think radicalism is bad because it leads to murder and mayhem, and liberals think it is good because it leads to fighting back against the imperialist machine, etc., etc.

Coyote D. on January 28, 2007 at 10:49 PM

All we can do is HOPE that when it happens there, real Americans will wake up from their stupor and realize that the liberal democrats are the pied pipers leading us to exactly the same place, only slower…

NRA4Freedom on January 28, 2007 at 11:01 PM

Will the Brits allow themselves to be Dhimmi or will they fight back?

Time will tell but I feel there is little time left.

Yakko77 on January 28, 2007 at 11:46 PM

UPDATE:

If the Europeans Mr. Lewis speaks of continue to teach their children nothing but self-loathing post-colonial guilt, then they shall reap the Islamic whirlwind ready to exploit their self-abasing suicidal silliness.

In the words of Victor (“From Death Camp to Existentialism”) Frankl:

“Man is, and always remains capable of resisting and braving even the worst conditions. A person is free to shape his own character, and is responsible for what he may have made of himself.”

Not many Viktors left in the EU, apparently.

profitsbeard on January 28, 2007 at 11:53 PM

The real weakness in the UK, Europe, and in the United States is not the Islamofacist, but the Left with their notions of “multi-culturalism” and politically correct behavior that encourages fragmentation and lack of unity. The Left discourages the bonds that make a nation great: nationalism and the trappings that go along with it. If the Left had their way there would only be one world government at the expense of any nations that would oppose it.

The solution is to assault the Left’s absurd notions of polically correct multi-culturalism and return to the values that make a nation great: nationalism, pride in national accomplishments, and citizen idenfication as a member of that nation. Nothing short of nationalism will bring safety and security from the Islamic Assault.

If immigrants to a country do not accept it’s values, identify as a member of that nation, and discard any notion of converting the nation to their Islamic traditions and rules, those immigrants and any of their kin, born domestically or not, should be immediately deported without the possibility of return.

The current sitiation in Europe may not be a surrender, it may be the root cause of the next civil wars and the next world war. The Muslim may well bring persecution and expulsion on themselves as their immigration and population explosion is recognized as a method of conquest.

omegaram on January 29, 2007 at 12:23 AM

The real weakness in the UK, Europe, and in the United States is not the Islamofacist, but the Left with their notions of “multi-culturalism” and politically correct behavior that encourages fragmentation and lack of unity.

Well put! Let’s remember pre-cold-war Europe. Constant wars, border struggles, and dozens of fiefdoms constantly at a state of war. Europe has a long history of internal conflict and I think it’s inching metricizing back to its old roots.

People with the same religion who speak the same language rarely fight each other in open warfare. Now that Islam has entered the picture I can only see the religion of peace bringing Europe back to an ugly place of mass murder on a scale we haven’t seen since WWII. It’s like a neo-Ottoman empire is emerging from the vast sea of unregulated immigration that Europe has foolishly allowed.

Mojave Mark on January 29, 2007 at 12:33 AM

omegaram on January 29, 2007 at 12:23 AM

So true…

I am an Eagle Scout of the Boy Scouts of America…

I am a “White” male, who is Roman Catholic, and votes Conservative, most times, for the Republican party…

I am a single father, who took responsibility and faught in the courts, and am paying for the right to raise my son…

I hold a Masters Degree, as I watch affirmative action move from career to career, yet I still work….

I have enough blame to give, yet none to place, other than myslef for my own plight, and that of my family…

My success can not be taken away due to a policy change, because I have made it my own…

“multi-culturalism”

is see as verneral warts…. if you choose to lay down with them, don’t complain of the consequences.

The fruits of thier labor will always come home, as it is now, but just not making the Headline News, …..

An example….. this one is easy….. the next time you are stopped at an intersection, put down your cell phone, and look around you……. just take a look….. Welcome to America.

PinkyBigglesworth on January 29, 2007 at 12:37 AM

Uh, isn’t this the point of multiculturalism? To destroy common identity? Y’know, divide and conquer?

spmat on January 29, 2007 at 12:57 AM

The doctrine of multi-culturalism has alienated an entire generation of young Muslims

Europe which, in the name of political correctness, has abdicated the battle for cultural and religious control

And we were critical of multi-culti and PC – it works!

I can’t even muster a sarcastic “surprise!” for this one

Multi-culti and PC, complete successes!

Entelechy on January 29, 2007 at 1:50 AM

Looks like a good sign – after the more idealistic youth meets the reality of everyday life their perspective changes. Kind of like the tendency to be more liberal when younger in the U.S.

Could you have read that paragraph more wrongly, Bradky? The report did not suggest that people changed opinions as they aged. The entire point was that an earlier generation emigrated and chose to assimilate into the existing culture, prior to the days of PC and multiculturalism. With the growth of those two trends, the younger generation has been given every reason to resist assimilation, and to seek the imposition of their historically ethnic culture onto their “adopted” homeland. This is not a good sign, it is the furthest possible thing from a good sign.

Not sure that you’ll get it though, given past comments of yours.

Freelancer on January 29, 2007 at 1:52 AM

Uh, isn’t this the point of multiculturalism? To destroy common identity? Y’know, divide and conquer?

spmat on January 29, 2007 at 12:57 AM

Let’s try that again, in the masculine register. The purpose in devising the multiculturalist doctrine seems to have been to divide a liberal democracy into a guilt-ridden, self-doubting, permissive majority and some number of irreconcilable minorities, who are nevertheless united in hating and despising the majority. The men who actively promote the doctrine seem to be of two sorts, those who understand the doctrine’s destructive effects and those who have been persuaded by the doctrine’s speeches about good and evil and who have come to view themselves as being on the side of righteousness.

Kralizec on January 29, 2007 at 1:53 AM

Some of this sounds vaguely familiar to me….

Jeff G on January 29, 2007 at 2:03 AM

Not sure that you’ll get it though, given past comments of yours.

Freelancer on January 29, 2007 at 1:52 AM

Whatever Freelancer. The specific demographic was the 16-24 age group.This seems to indicate this is the peak and begins to fall off as they get older. What does the study say about the 25-54 age group? Not a thing.
It also means that 63% (a majority in case you missed it) of the 16-24 year olds do not seem to have this extremist opinion. That should mean that 2/3 of the Muslims in that age group have assimilated without even considering the extremist policies.

But given your past comments waxing poetic about how great the coming days of anarchy will be interspersed with your out of context quotes of the founders of our country…. well, wouldn’t want to spoil your fantasies of leading the militias and killing off the ones you deem undesirable.

You latch onto a minority view and paint all Muslims with the opinions of a minority to justify unbridled hatred.

Extremism is ugly no matter what religion you practice.

Bradky on January 29, 2007 at 2:13 AM

Rare and bloody. Both the article and the comments. :-)

TwinkietheKid on January 29, 2007 at 8:55 AM

We really should stop laughing about it and EACH ONE OF US DO SOMETHING REAL AND CONCRETE!
When was the last time you went in among them, got dirty and screamed HELL NO, I DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR “SENSITIVITIES“?

When was the last time you looked in your kid’s backpack and found out what they are really learning, rolled it up and poked it in the eye of the local school district?
Let’s quit laughing to cover our fear, and GET IN THERE AND CHANGE THE AGENDA.

seejanemom on January 29, 2007 at 9:05 AM

ANOTHER POLL

from the

Does multiculturalism work?

The vote is about halfway down. Nearly 4500 people have voted so far and about 70% think that multiculturalism doesn’t work. Only 23% think it does. The fools!

uptight on January 29, 2007 at 9:24 AM

sorry – the above vote is on BBC Online

uptight on January 29, 2007 at 9:25 AM

The “fracture” between the 16 – 24 year old British Muslims and their 50 something parents actually has little to do with the changing views of age and much more to do with the age group that radical Islam has been targeting and brainwashing into the cult of death. Where many of these youth were assimilated into British culture only a few years ago they are now isolated from their nations culture and taught to hate it and to destroy it. The collective of Radical Islam is using multiculturalism without assimilation as a weapon.

The British and Americans, as well as much of the western world, is unable to mount any defense against Radical Islam because it is hiding within an entire religion and is enjoying a protected status as it plans and carries out our defeat.

I don’t advocate the mass deportation of Muslims but I do think that this threat will mean that we have to make a decision as to exactly what free speech is. Should “Death To America” still be viewed as protected free speech? Should radical Islam be allowed to exist within our nation’s Mosques? I’m afraid that if the answer is still YES then the battle is already over and free democratic societies have already lost.

Buzzy on January 29, 2007 at 9:38 AM

The “fracture” between the 16 – 24 year old British Muslims and their 50 something parents actually has little to do with the changing views of age and much more to do with the age group that radical Islam has been targeting and brainwashing into the cult of death. Where many of these youth were assimilated into British culture only a few years ago they are now isolated from their nations culture and taught to hate it and to destroy it. The collective of Radical Islam is using multiculturalism without assimilation as a weapon.

It is a little of both. Who do the cultists target in any particular country? This same age group. So is it a surprise that this is a tactic employed by the radical Islamics?

You also are discounting the fact that even though it is a real concern 2/3 of the youth aren’t buying it. Isn’t this a positive side of the story? Shouldn’t those that have chosen to be part of society be encouraged to continue to do so? To ignore this aspect is foolish.

Bradky on January 29, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Bradky, the dynamics of the group is very different when you’re talking about an unassimilated group held in cultural isolation. Yes, it is good that 2/3′s of British Muslim youth are not YET affected but the 1/3 that is should now be viewed as their own group and 100% of their own group due to isolation. The root cause of Islamic terrorism is radical Islam and every day that radical Islam is allowed to remain within our society there will be more converts, more threats. If a water glass is leaking and you notice it when only 1/3 is gone you may feel good that you caught it before half was gone and then all but it does no good if you don’t plug the leak immediately.

Buzzy on January 29, 2007 at 10:04 AM

Buzzy, What exactly is your solution? Kill em all or deport em all? You seem to be saying it is only a matter of time before the other 2/3 become radicals. This is unfair and certainly not a good way to encourage behavior of people already behaving as good citizens of a country. Be realistic.

You talk about converts – I would submit that the one key to fighting the radicals is to encourage the MAJORITY of these youth who have no interest in this to help convert that MINORITY of their age group to rethink their positions. This won’t happen if people continue to write off an entire group of people. By doing so you create the vacuum for them to feel relegated to.

Bradky on January 29, 2007 at 10:14 AM

Bradky,

I served this nation at war, and I have no fantasies of leading a militia. You are the one who reads your worldview into your interpretation of everyone else’s words.

All I did was point out that you spun the conclusion of the report to mean something entirely different than it clearly said. You are the one who is trying to universalize the concept of the numbers.

And tell me, how do you “encourage the MAJORITY of these yough who have no interest in this to help convert the MINORITY of their age group to rethink their positions”?

“Hey, you muslim young folk who are reasonable, go tell your unreasonable countrymen to get with the program…”

As a comparison, how many Germans of the 30′s and 40′s were Nazis? Far less than 1/3. So don’t be too flippant about the MINORITY, if they are passionate.

No. The point and conclusion of the article that you missed by such a wide margin was that the way to change is to drop multiculturalism as a virtual religion in society, and to employ policies which expect immigrants to assimilate into the culture of their home nation or get out.

Freelancer on January 29, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Freelancer on January 29, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Lemmings on the left, Lemmings on the right — believe the extremist doctrine of your party of choice. Left, right makes no difference to me you act and sound the same. Bots.

Bradky on January 29, 2007 at 12:45 PM

Seejanemom:

Okay.

How?

mikeomatic on January 29, 2007 at 1:01 PM

Bradky, as my Dad always says, “there ain’t nothin’ in the middle of the road, but yellow lines and dead ‘possums.”

Oh, and honestly, “Bots”? Grow up.

tickleddragon on January 29, 2007 at 4:32 PM

Bradky, every journey starts with a first step and the goal here is our national security against an enemy using tactics unlike any we have ever seen before and a threat much bigger than most realize. My solution is to decide, as a nation with the full extent of the law behind our choice, if radical Islam’s “Death To America” is protected speech under our Constitution or something that we will no longer accept and choose to make criminal. If we choose to adopt the “Castle Doctrine” rule in our national security and take these threats seriously then we need to decide if religions that support such criminal verbage, training, indoctrination etc. should be protected under the Constitution. I don’t take these decisions lightly and fear anything that might limit our freedoms to speak our mind or pray to whomever we choose. As for your depiction as the 1/3 and 2/3 figures as static numbers you would do well to remember that only two years ago similar studies put the radical Islamic youth figures at less than 10% in the UK. Would you also suggest we just let the majority of youth who don’t do drive by shootings convince the minority that do to stop or can we continue to have laws against it? This isn’t an apples to oranges argument. A crip or blood gangster with a “9″ in his hand spraying a neighborhood is not unlike a jihadist blowing up trains and buses or running over people outside a Synagogue. We must begin, as a nation, to view threats contained within radical Islam as credible threats to us both personally and as a nation.

Buzzy on January 29, 2007 at 6:55 PM