Comments on: Jamilgate bombshell: E&P reporters parachute into Hurriya, verify AP “burning six” story

By: Right Voices » Blog Archive » I’m Guessing Michelle Malkin Is An Unfriendly Blogger?

Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:20:10 +0000

[...] Michelle Malkin and Hot Air have been trying to get a retraction or correction from the AP, on stories that depended on Jamil Hussein as the source. Michelle went all the way to Iraq to verify that the Sunni mosques that as Hussein claimed and AP reported as “destroyed,” “torched” and “burned and [blown] up” are all still standing. [...]

By: Buck Turgidson

Buck Turgidson — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:07:07 +0000

No.

By: Capitalist Infidel

Capitalist Infidel — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:47:02 +0000

By the way, has anyone seen the elusive Jamil yet?

By: B Moe

B Moe — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:59:50 +0000

The Iraqi Ministry of Interior later admitted that police Capt. Jamil Hussein did work for the ministry in Baghdad.

Except he had a different name, and was nowhere near all of the locations he was “reporting” from.

By: Buck Turgidson

Buck Turgidson — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:03:29 +0000

OT The history channel is doing “Dogfights of the Middle East” right now.

By: Buck Turgidson

Buck Turgidson — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:50:08 +0000

During the cold war going back to childhood, I remember reading about Tass and Pravda in the USSR. I wondered if the people believed the lies they were being fed or if they just went with it reluctantly. A government controlled media is bad no doubt. A free media answers to who exactly? And how? The recent post about US, Iraqi army clash getting picked up and posted everywhere exposes the problem. Even if they retract it’s already been done. The affiliates can claim ignorance, and the democrats can officially call Iraq a civil war because six sunnis got torched. See how they do that? I might as well put on my fur hat and hammer back some vodka.

By: Daily Pundit » Arrant Pap and Endless Pap

Daily Pundit » Arrant Pap and Endless Pap — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:19:22 +0000

[...] Hot Air » Blog Archive » Jamilgate bombshell: E&P reporters parachute into Hurriya, verify AP “burning six” story She didn’t save the day. She merely risked her own neck to determine whether the AP’s story about the destruction of four mosques by Shiite militias was true. It wasn’t. And odds are very, very good you’ll never see that fact reported in “the bible of the newspaper industry.” [...]

By: Riehl World View

Riehl World View — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:46:35 +0000

Bay’s Incomplete Diagnosis Of AP…

As Allah rather graciously points out, there is no shame in an apology when one thinks it warranted.There’s no shame in apologizing here; I did it myself and was even quoted on it by EP, as you’ll see if you…

By: DoctorDentons

DoctorDentons — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:11:07 +0000

Wussie, Wussies……….what a bunch of …………

By: Drtuddle

Drtuddle — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:20:12 +0000

Sick’em Allah!

By: Vanceone

Vanceone — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:45:08 +0000

Actually, Austin Bay retracted that, Allah. Link to his retraction.

By: Bill's Bites

Bill's Bites — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:29:47 +0000

Iraqi PM Locks Down Official Media Access to Key Government Ministries…

Part 43 of a series. Continued from this post. CRACKDOWN: Iraqi PM Locks Down Official Media Access to Key Government Ministries Confederate Yankee. Hat tip: Bryan Preston An anonymous source from within Baghdad’s Green Zone has provided me with a…

By: William Amos

William Amos — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:25:21 +0000

BTW why is AP News still quiting dead figures in their news stories. Give us sources AP else we need to treat all your stories as phoney.

By: William Amos

William Amos — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:24:32 +0000

Why does enrique hate the truth ?

By: Enrique

Enrique — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:52:11 +0000

Why does Austin Bay hate America?

By: thirteen28

thirteen28 — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:45:52 +0000

I thought there was no “Capt. Jamil Hussein”. Last I knew, that was just an alias for Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim or Jamil Gulaim ‘XX’ or whatever his real name is. The Iraqi Ministry of the Interior didn’t confirm that “Jamil Hussein” exists, they confirmed to the AP that a person with a different name (Jamil Gulaim “XX”) exists, and the AP says this person is their source.

I don’t think the AP deserves an apology for the fact that their own breech of journalist ethics (using an alias without noting such) caused people to doubt the existance of their source. They compounded that breech by not being honest and telling the truth about the use of an alias as soon as questions about his existance began -leaving many to waste time and resources searching for a man who does not exist.

Its the AP who should be apologizing.

taznar on January 26, 2007 at 3:16 PM

Agree 100%. It would have been one thing had they produced a true “Jamil Hussein”. But neither did they do that nor were they forthcoming about the pseudonym until others forced their hand on the story. In other words, they created a set of circumstances where any reasonable mind would doubt them and could accuse them of using a non-existent “source” – particularly when the stories attributed thereto cannot be corroborated or are demonstrably false.

Nobody who doubted the A w/t P has anything to apologize for.

By: Doug

Doug — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:30:30 +0000

Mixing a few metaphors, Austin Bay was politely holding the AP’s feet to the fire and tossing the ball back into their court. The AP would probably love to run his apology, but his saying:
“The AP and other wire services are the backbone of truth on this planet.” will never be acknowledged by the AP because the platitude is based on their honesty, and they (and everyone else) knows that they are being dishonest with their Jamil Hussein source. It’s like me saying that John Kerry is being a Statesman by bowing out of ‘08 early.

By: taznar

taznar — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:16:48 +0000

I thought there was no “Capt. Jamil Hussein”. Last I knew, that was just an alias for Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim or Jamil Gulaim ‘XX’ or whatever his real name is. The Iraqi Ministry of the Interior didn’t confirm that “Jamil Hussein” exists, they confirmed to the AP that a person with a different name (Jamil Gulaim “XX”) exists, and the AP says this person is their source.

I don’t think the AP deserves an apology for the fact that their own breech of journalist ethics (using an alias without noting such) caused people to doubt the existance of their source. They compounded that breech by not being honest and telling the truth about the use of an alias as soon as questions about his existance began -leaving many to waste time and resources searching for a man who does not exist.

Its the AP who should be apologizing.

By: Limerick

Limerick — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:16:00 +0000

As one of the ‘we aint smart crowd’ I disagree with you Allah. AP does need to be taken down. Sitting around and yelling ‘fair-play’ isn’t going to work. Their BMWs need to go to auction. The media is in control of public opinion. They design western society to fit their progressive agenda.

My HS(barely) education betrays me as unworthy I guess. I don’t care. At AP there is no ‘reporting’, there is only manipulation.

By: The Monster

The Monster — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:13:04 +0000

Stop apologizing! “Iraqi Police Capt. Jamil Hussein” does not exist. It is a pseudonym that was not identified as such, which means it’s not true.

By: JammieWearingFool

JammieWearingFool — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:02:52 +0000

At this point, Mithcell is probably practicing his “Profiles in Courage Award” acceptance speech for standing up to those mean old bloggers.

By: right2bright

right2bright — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:01:33 +0000

They can not correct what they think is not wrong. Why would they say they were wrong when they think they are right? You, in their eyes, have proved nothing. They received a report from what they considered a reliable source, you say it is not. To them it is just a disagreement with a very small insignificant quasi-news blog. No one else of any consequence is picking up on this with any real intensity, so they will just let us blow off steam until it becomes boring. They will wait it out, they don’t care about anyone that can’t hurt them.
It is a shame, but that is what it is. They are not afraid of Hot Air. And they have convinced just as many people that it is much to do about nothing.

By: Bob Owens

Bob Owens — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:59:33 +0000

We need them to be more responsible about their reporting

Agreed. AP is the largest news organization in the world. Even if you were successful in taking them down,” waht would be the result? Oddly are, a certain degree of blindness.

I’m all for the AP changing their methodologies, particularly as they pertain to combat-zone fact checking, but I don’t want them decimated.

By: Allahpundit

Allahpundit — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:38:32 +0000

We don’t need to “take down” anyone. We need them to be more responsible about their reporting.

By: RightWinged

RightWinged — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:33:42 +0000

Seriously, I’m not just being over the top because of this week’s developments, we NEED to take down the AP. Period. There are plenty of problems with the liberal media, but this week more than ever it’s almost as if the AP isn’t even trying to hide their bias (one only need to skim through posts here at HA for the past few days).. But it’s literally a daily occurance that they AP knowingly flat out lies in its headlines, and often right down in their stories. Their libs write editorials and call them articles, and these are picked up by papers around the world. Etc. etc. etc.

Again, we can’t win any war with the state of the media today.