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	<title>Comments on: Dems kill proposal to raise fines on employers who hire illegals</title>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amnesty fallout: A permanent Democratic majority?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amnesty fallout: A permanent Democratic majority?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kaus keeps touting &#8220;leftist&#8221; objections that might derail the amnesty, &#8220;e.g., that the bill, by encouraging another flood of illegals, will drive down the wages of unskilled Americans.&#8221; Really? Which &#8220;leftists&#8221; are touting this except for centrists like himself and Ben Nelson, whom the left regularly deride as Republicans in Democrats&#8217; clothing? Suppressed wages for unskilled workers might have bothered them 50 years ago, but it doesn&#8217;t anymore. Not only because multiculturalism has supplanted labor as a core leftist principle, but because they&#8217;re about to climb on board a political gravy train here and they damned well know it. First and foremost, most Hispanics are Democrats. True, George W. Bush tied a record for winning Hispanics in the 37-40 percent range. (Don’t believe the nonsense that he got 44 percent of Hispanics. Those were the same exit polls that gave us “President Kerry.” The figures were revised down in 2005.) W received about the same level of Hispanic support as Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan did in their re-elections. But even if we are generous and grant that he got the 44 percent the Republican National Committee is claiming, that means a solid majority of Hispanics still voted for a lackluster Democrat against an incumbent Republican president who bent over backwards to court them in a time of war and low unemployment&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kaus keeps touting &#8220;leftist&#8221; objections that might derail the amnesty, &#8220;e.g., that the bill, by encouraging another flood of illegals, will drive down the wages of unskilled Americans.&#8221; Really? Which &#8220;leftists&#8221; are touting this except for centrists like himself and Ben Nelson, whom the left regularly deride as Republicans in Democrats&#8217; clothing? Suppressed wages for unskilled workers might have bothered them 50 years ago, but it doesn&#8217;t anymore. Not only because multiculturalism has supplanted labor as a core leftist principle, but because they&#8217;re about to climb on board a political gravy train here and they damned well know it. First and foremost, most Hispanics are Democrats. True, George W. Bush tied a record for winning Hispanics in the 37-40 percent range. (Don’t believe the nonsense that he got 44 percent of Hispanics. Those were the same exit polls that gave us “President Kerry.” The figures were revised down in 2005.) W received about the same level of Hispanic support as Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan did in their re-elections. But even if we are generous and grant that he got the 44 percent the Republican National Committee is claiming, that means a solid majority of Hispanics still voted for a lackluster Democrat against an incumbent Republican president who bent over backwards to court them in a time of war and low unemployment&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ted Kennedy&#8217;s amnesty bill &#8220;nearly completed&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ted Kennedy&#8217;s amnesty bill &#8220;nearly completed&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We were talking about the amnesty bill. Once again, the Democrats have been given a choice between behaving like the &#8220;party of the working man&#8221; that they claim they are and the party of &#8220;the undocumented&#8221; that they actually are. And once again, they&#8217;ve chosen poorly: Among the most active participants have been the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition (EWIC) and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Both groups support giving current illegals a path to citizenship and increasing the flow of foreign workers into the country&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We were talking about the amnesty bill. Once again, the Democrats have been given a choice between behaving like the &#8220;party of the working man&#8221; that they claim they are and the party of &#8220;the undocumented&#8221; that they actually are. And once again, they&#8217;ve chosen poorly: Among the most active participants have been the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition (EWIC) and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Both groups support giving current illegals a path to citizenship and increasing the flow of foreign workers into the country&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Headline Summaries: Border Security at Traction Control</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headline Summaries: Border Security at Traction Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1/28/2007 Dems kill proposal to raise fines on employers who hire illegals [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Sessions is a National Treasure!</description>
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		<title>By: Speakup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speakup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of Conservatives out there.
About a third of them are registered Democrats and about half of those watch Bill O&#039;Reily.

Get Republican candidates back over to center right and follow through with some America first and 08 can be a landslide.

Identify with center right Conservative issues which is where Americans are in spite of the MSM bombardment and the blue dog, Reagan D registered voters will come.

The current RNC is not headed that way, get  a  clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of Conservatives out there.<br />
About a third of them are registered Democrats and about half of those watch Bill O&#8217;Reily.</p>
<p>Get Republican candidates back over to center right and follow through with some America first and 08 can be a landslide.</p>
<p>Identify with center right Conservative issues which is where Americans are in spite of the MSM bombardment and the blue dog, Reagan D registered voters will come.</p>
<p>The current RNC is not headed that way, get  a  clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Iblis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just to protect the first woman speaker from financial ruin for all the illegals-in-the-vineyards she employs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just to protect the first woman speaker from financial ruin for all the illegals-in-the-vineyards she employs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and it’s all about finally sealing the fate of a democratic country once Socialism finally prevails as the lefty liberals finally outnumber those with common sense and an ability to see the big picture.

Australia is looking beter &amp; better all the time… as long as they get that Muslim problem in check.

SilverStar830 on January 26, 2007 at 10:57 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t agree. Almost everyone who didn&#039;t claim to be liberal was posed to proclaim the death of liberal ideology if the 06 elections had gone a different way. Besides meeting a historical trend at the six year point, the elections reminded everyone that extreme positions turn off the middle -- the republican majority was not interested in acting like legislators and it bit them hard. They tried too hard to appeal to the base only -- what the democrats had been doing to themselves for the last 12 years.

Remember the 04 election and the Red/Blue maps that showed most counties trended Republican? Do you really think that has flipped in two years time?

The Republicans have two challenges in my opinion (1) Learning to use the media more successfully (let&#039;s be honest - Bush&#039;s team is LOUSY in its PR performance) (2)More importantly, to get the republicans that didn&#039;t go to the polls in 06 to continue to support, the base has to be more inclusive within the party, which means compromise on some issues. There is a big difference between compromise and surrender. 


&quot;No plan is perfect but a well thought out policy borne of some compromise can be perfected&quot;

Personally I&#039;m a little disappointed to see so many people who seem to relish the opinion that the end is here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and it’s all about finally sealing the fate of a democratic country once Socialism finally prevails as the lefty liberals finally outnumber those with common sense and an ability to see the big picture.</p>
<p>Australia is looking beter &amp; better all the time… as long as they get that Muslim problem in check.</p>
<p>SilverStar830 on January 26, 2007 at 10:57 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree. Almost everyone who didn&#8217;t claim to be liberal was posed to proclaim the death of liberal ideology if the 06 elections had gone a different way. Besides meeting a historical trend at the six year point, the elections reminded everyone that extreme positions turn off the middle &#8212; the republican majority was not interested in acting like legislators and it bit them hard. They tried too hard to appeal to the base only &#8212; what the democrats had been doing to themselves for the last 12 years.</p>
<p>Remember the 04 election and the Red/Blue maps that showed most counties trended Republican? Do you really think that has flipped in two years time?</p>
<p>The Republicans have two challenges in my opinion (1) Learning to use the media more successfully (let&#8217;s be honest &#8211; Bush&#8217;s team is LOUSY in its PR performance) (2)More importantly, to get the republicans that didn&#8217;t go to the polls in 06 to continue to support, the base has to be more inclusive within the party, which means compromise on some issues. There is a big difference between compromise and surrender. </p>
<p>&#8220;No plan is perfect but a well thought out policy borne of some compromise can be perfected&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m a little disappointed to see so many people who seem to relish the opinion that the end is here.</p>
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		<title>By: Alden Pyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alden Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aaaaand this comes as a big surprise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aaaaand this comes as a big surprise?</p>
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		<title>By: SilverStar830</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverStar830</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and so it begins.

It makes no difference if it&#039;s wrong, as long as it is the opposite of what their Republican counterparts want. There is absolutely no reason for anyone in the world to not come into this country illegally, or not do the human smuggling. They won&#039;t be prosecuted for it, 10,000,000+ illegal immigrants will soon have amnesty and can begin collecting OUR Social Security so they better hurry and start flooding in and get some while the gettin&#039;s good, and even if they&#039;re caught it&#039;s just a hop-skip-and-a-jump back to where they were while facing no reprecussions for returning illegally. 

Two Police Officers with wives and children have been murdered in San Diego by illegal Mexican immigrants over the last couple of years alone. They both were here illegally (as are STILL their whole families), had arrest records for various crimes -were deported and returned more than once-, and still face no sentencing enhancements or prosecution for ANYTHING other than their local state level crimes. 

A repeat offender illegal immigrant, from Mexico, with numerous DUI arrests while in the US illegally over many years crashed head-on into a young woman on a road in San Diego and killed her... while he was driving drunk yet AGAIN. He has been availed all sorts of continuances, fired and hired and fired different attorneys, finally took a plea deal and pled guilty... then fired his attorney again and has had two sentencing hearings continued PLUS he now wants to withdraw his guilty plea. The family of the murdered young woman suffer HORRIBLY as they are dragged along by their ankles through this repeat offender illegal immigrant&#039;s nefarious use of the justice system, which accomodates him and his shenanigans without hesitation.

Those are just three off the top of my head that I care to take the time to roughly post about.

This country&#039;s going to go down, and go down hard very soon once the next POTUS election is done. And is that based on because it&#039;s the right thing to do? No. It&#039;s all about revenge, it&#039;s all about marxist hippie&#039;s running this country, and it&#039;s all about finally sealing the fate of a democratic country once Socialism finally prevails as the lefty liberals finally outnumber those with common sense and an ability to see the big picture.

Australia is looking beter &amp; better all the time... as long as they get that Muslim problem in check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and so it begins.</p>
<p>It makes no difference if it&#8217;s wrong, as long as it is the opposite of what their Republican counterparts want. There is absolutely no reason for anyone in the world to not come into this country illegally, or not do the human smuggling. They won&#8217;t be prosecuted for it, 10,000,000+ illegal immigrants will soon have amnesty and can begin collecting OUR Social Security so they better hurry and start flooding in and get some while the gettin&#8217;s good, and even if they&#8217;re caught it&#8217;s just a hop-skip-and-a-jump back to where they were while facing no reprecussions for returning illegally. </p>
<p>Two Police Officers with wives and children have been murdered in San Diego by illegal Mexican immigrants over the last couple of years alone. They both were here illegally (as are STILL their whole families), had arrest records for various crimes -were deported and returned more than once-, and still face no sentencing enhancements or prosecution for ANYTHING other than their local state level crimes. </p>
<p>A repeat offender illegal immigrant, from Mexico, with numerous DUI arrests while in the US illegally over many years crashed head-on into a young woman on a road in San Diego and killed her&#8230; while he was driving drunk yet AGAIN. He has been availed all sorts of continuances, fired and hired and fired different attorneys, finally took a plea deal and pled guilty&#8230; then fired his attorney again and has had two sentencing hearings continued PLUS he now wants to withdraw his guilty plea. The family of the murdered young woman suffer HORRIBLY as they are dragged along by their ankles through this repeat offender illegal immigrant&#8217;s nefarious use of the justice system, which accomodates him and his shenanigans without hesitation.</p>
<p>Those are just three off the top of my head that I care to take the time to roughly post about.</p>
<p>This country&#8217;s going to go down, and go down hard very soon once the next POTUS election is done. And is that based on because it&#8217;s the right thing to do? No. It&#8217;s all about revenge, it&#8217;s all about marxist hippie&#8217;s running this country, and it&#8217;s all about finally sealing the fate of a democratic country once Socialism finally prevails as the lefty liberals finally outnumber those with common sense and an ability to see the big picture.</p>
<p>Australia is looking beter &amp; better all the time&#8230; as long as they get that Muslim problem in check.</p>
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		<title>By: hadsil</title>
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		<dc:creator>hadsil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn those Democrats!  There they go again catering to Big Business to allow them to continue to exploit the workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn those Democrats!  There they go again catering to Big Business to allow them to continue to exploit the workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Speakup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speakup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrats Demand Bush Deliver Republican Votes on Immigration

James Rowley
Thu Jan 25, 12:07 AM ET



&quot;Jan. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democrats are demanding President George W. Bush deliver significant support -- likely more than a quarter of all House Republicans -- to ensure passage of a bipartisan overhaul of U.S. immigration law.

Democrats say they won&#039;t shoulder the responsibility alone for any comprehensive and politically sensitive plan that includes Bush&#039;s proposals to give 12 million illegal aliens a chance at citizenship and to create a guest-worker program. The president made his latest pitch for the plan in his State of the Union address this week.

Substantial Republican support is ``a prerequisite,&#039;&#039; said Democratic Representative Howard Berman (news, bio, voting record) of California. Key Democrats and congressional aides from both parties suggest 50 to 60 of the House&#039;s 202 Republicans is the minimum backing to guarantee passage. ``I would hope the number would be closer to 100,&#039;&#039; said Illinois Democrat Luis Gutierrez (news, bio, voting record), a sponsor of immigration reform.

Last year, the Republican-controlled House thwarted Bush&#039;s drive to revamp immigration as members of his own party decried what they said was an amnesty program for illegal aliens. Instead, they approved a 700-mile fence last year to tighten the U.S.-Mexico border.

The president and the new Democratic-controlled Congress now find themselves uneasy allies on the issue.&quot; 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20070125/pl_bloomberg/a1wrgpenv3a_1


We could look at this three ways. A. the Democrats are trying to muscle the Pres. &lt;strong&gt;B. they&#039;re not so confident that they can pass a faux amnesty after all.&lt;/strong&gt; or C. the libertraitors are too chicken to take responsibility for they&#039;re nations betrayal, perhaps the nations last betrayal.

P.S. I got a fortune cookie today it read; Others appreciate your expressive qualities. 
Seemed appropriate </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats Demand Bush Deliver Republican Votes on Immigration</p>
<p>James Rowley<br />
Thu Jan 25, 12:07 AM ET</p>
<p>&#8220;Jan. 25 (Bloomberg) &#8212; Democrats are demanding President George W. Bush deliver significant support &#8212; likely more than a quarter of all House Republicans &#8212; to ensure passage of a bipartisan overhaul of U.S. immigration law.</p>
<p>Democrats say they won&#8217;t shoulder the responsibility alone for any comprehensive and politically sensitive plan that includes Bush&#8217;s proposals to give 12 million illegal aliens a chance at citizenship and to create a guest-worker program. The president made his latest pitch for the plan in his State of the Union address this week.</p>
<p>Substantial Republican support is &#8220;a prerequisite,&#8221; said Democratic Representative Howard Berman (news, bio, voting record) of California. Key Democrats and congressional aides from both parties suggest 50 to 60 of the House&#8217;s 202 Republicans is the minimum backing to guarantee passage. &#8220;I would hope the number would be closer to 100,&#8221; said Illinois Democrat Luis Gutierrez (news, bio, voting record), a sponsor of immigration reform.</p>
<p>Last year, the Republican-controlled House thwarted Bush&#8217;s drive to revamp immigration as members of his own party decried what they said was an amnesty program for illegal aliens. Instead, they approved a 700-mile fence last year to tighten the U.S.-Mexico border.</p>
<p>The president and the new Democratic-controlled Congress now find themselves uneasy allies on the issue.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20070125/pl_bloomberg/a1wrgpenv3a_1" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20070125/pl_bloomberg/a1wrgpenv3a_1</a></p>
<p>We could look at this three ways. A. the Democrats are trying to muscle the Pres. <strong>B. they&#8217;re not so confident that they can pass a faux amnesty after all.</strong> or C. the libertraitors are too chicken to take responsibility for they&#8217;re nations betrayal, perhaps the nations last betrayal.</p>
<p>P.S. I got a fortune cookie today it read; Others appreciate your expressive qualities.<br />
Seemed appropriate</p>
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		<title>By: NTWR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NTWR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the big producers had to pay legal citizens a living wage to pick fruit, the mom and pop producers would have a chance at competing. Then the price of produce would find it’s lowest level through the free market process. I see that as a win-win for the american consumer. 

csdeven on January 26, 2007 at 6:21 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And if the big producers were afraid of fines or had to pay a living wage, they would invest more time and money in the technological aspects of harvesting, pruning, packing, etc. That would increase the number of science/engineering jobs as well as highly skilled workers and would benefit the country in multiple ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the big producers had to pay legal citizens a living wage to pick fruit, the mom and pop producers would have a chance at competing. Then the price of produce would find it’s lowest level through the free market process. I see that as a win-win for the american consumer. </p>
<p>csdeven on January 26, 2007 at 6:21 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>And if the big producers were afraid of fines or had to pay a living wage, they would invest more time and money in the technological aspects of harvesting, pruning, packing, etc. That would increase the number of science/engineering jobs as well as highly skilled workers and would benefit the country in multiple ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Perchant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ROFL!!! Bush would NEVER allow this ammendment to pass, and it’s not only the Democrats who are in trouble. It’s a good chunk of the GOP also. 

Gregor on January 26, 2007 at 6:35 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But it&#039;s the Republicans who are already seen as the party of big business opposed to the plight of the working man. They can only improve their standing in the eyes of the working class. The Democrats, on the other hand, would be seen for who they truly are.

Since Bush would have no intention of actually enforcing the Sessions amendment anyway, it can&#039;t hurt for him to insist on its inclusion in the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ROFL!!! Bush would NEVER allow this ammendment to pass, and it’s not only the Democrats who are in trouble. It’s a good chunk of the GOP also. </p>
<p>Gregor on January 26, 2007 at 6:35 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>But it&#8217;s the Republicans who are already seen as the party of big business opposed to the plight of the working man. They can only improve their standing in the eyes of the working class. The Democrats, on the other hand, would be seen for who they truly are.</p>
<p>Since Bush would have no intention of actually enforcing the Sessions amendment anyway, it can&#8217;t hurt for him to insist on its inclusion in the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: wytammic</title>
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		<dc:creator>wytammic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They were right that the case sent a terrible message to border control agents. They were just wrong about what that message is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Excellent point</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They were right that the case sent a terrible message to border control agents. They were just wrong about what that message is.</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent point</p>
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		<title>By: wytammic</title>
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		<dc:creator>wytammic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I was joking.

Plus, why eat fruit when we’ve invented deep frying? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cracked me up :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was joking.</p>
<p>Plus, why eat fruit when we’ve invented deep frying? </p></blockquote>
<p>Cracked me up :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/26/dems-kill-proposal-to-raise-fines-on-employers-who-hire-illegals/comment-page-1/#comment-201294</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush would just need to send the bill back to the Senate insisting on this amendment and the Democrats would be in deep trouble. 

Perchant on January 26, 2007 at 6:32 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ROFL!!!  Bush would NEVER allow this ammendment to pass, and it&#039;s not only the Democrats who are in trouble.  It&#039;s a good chunk of the GOP also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bush would just need to send the bill back to the Senate insisting on this amendment and the Democrats would be in deep trouble. </p>
<p>Perchant on January 26, 2007 at 6:32 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>ROFL!!!  Bush would NEVER allow this ammendment to pass, and it&#8217;s not only the Democrats who are in trouble.  It&#8217;s a good chunk of the GOP also.</p>
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		<title>By: Perchant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;they accused him and other Republicans of offering amendments unrelated to the minimum-wage increase in order to stall passage of the bill… &lt;/blockquote&gt;
They can&#039;t get away with saying that because it is directly related. Raising the minimum wage is an incentive for employers to hire more illegal off-the-books labor so Sessions&#039; amendment is needed to ensure that the minimum wage law won&#039;t be evaded.

Bush would just need to send the bill back to the Senate insisting on this amendment and the Democrats would be in deep trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>they accused him and other Republicans of offering amendments unrelated to the minimum-wage increase in order to stall passage of the bill… </p></blockquote>
<p>They can&#8217;t get away with saying that because it is directly related. Raising the minimum wage is an incentive for employers to hire more illegal off-the-books labor so Sessions&#8217; amendment is needed to ensure that the minimum wage law won&#8217;t be evaded.</p>
<p>Bush would just need to send the bill back to the Senate insisting on this amendment and the Democrats would be in deep trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: csdeven</title>
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		<dc:creator>csdeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the big producers had to pay legal citizens a living wage to pick fruit, the mom and pop producers would have a chance at competing. Then the price of produce would find it&#039;s lowest level through the free market process. I see that as a win-win for the american consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the big producers had to pay legal citizens a living wage to pick fruit, the mom and pop producers would have a chance at competing. Then the price of produce would find it&#8217;s lowest level through the free market process. I see that as a win-win for the american consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: Slublog</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/26/dems-kill-proposal-to-raise-fines-on-employers-who-hire-illegals/comment-page-1/#comment-201270</link>
		<dc:creator>Slublog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was joking.

Plus, why eat fruit when we&#039;ve invented deep frying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was joking.</p>
<p>Plus, why eat fruit when we&#8217;ve invented deep frying?</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But isn’t it worth it for cheap produce?

Slublog on January 26, 2007 at 5:54 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.  I&#039;d rather pay $5 for an apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But isn’t it worth it for cheap produce?</p>
<p>Slublog on January 26, 2007 at 5:54 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>No.  I&#8217;d rather pay $5 for an apple.</p>
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		<title>By: omegaram</title>
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		<dc:creator>omegaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Big Surprise, the national interest, and the interest of the majority of Americans, being sacrificed for partisan gain.  The Democrats gain political advantage and the Republicans cater to corporate and wealthy individual greed.  We, the American Public, are the loosers.&lt;/strong&gt;

The kicker, and there doesn&#039;t seem much we can do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Big Surprise, the national interest, and the interest of the majority of Americans, being sacrificed for partisan gain.  The Democrats gain political advantage and the Republicans cater to corporate and wealthy individual greed.  We, the American Public, are the loosers.</strong></p>
<p>The kicker, and there doesn&#8217;t seem much we can do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Perchant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;2) They are all gung-ho about enforcing the law against those that are tasked with enforcing our borders - but their enthusiasm for enforcing it against those who willfully violate it is virtually non-existent.

thirteen28 on January 26, 2007 at 4:40 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Excellent observation. Talk about your &quot;irony lost&quot;, the Wall Street Journal finally found some &quot;law breakers&quot; in the vicinity of the US-Mexico border who they were pleased to see prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2) They are all gung-ho about enforcing the law against those that are tasked with enforcing our borders &#8211; but their enthusiasm for enforcing it against those who willfully violate it is virtually non-existent.</p>
<p>thirteen28 on January 26, 2007 at 4:40 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent observation. Talk about your &#8220;irony lost&#8221;, the Wall Street Journal finally found some &#8220;law breakers&#8221; in the vicinity of the US-Mexico border who they were pleased to see prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill's Bites</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/26/dems-kill-proposal-to-raise-fines-on-employers-who-hire-illegals/comment-page-1/#comment-201247</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill's Bites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dems kill proposal to raise fines on employers who hire illegals...&lt;/strong&gt;

Dems kill proposal to raise fines on employers who hire illegals Allahpundit Jeff Sessions, a member of the “party of big business,” wanted to jack up the minimum penalty by a factor of 20. That put our new majority in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dems kill proposal to raise fines on employers who hire illegals&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Dems kill proposal to raise fines on employers who hire illegals Allahpundit Jeff Sessions, a member of the “party of big business,” wanted to jack up the minimum penalty by a factor of 20. That put our new majority in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And the real problem is that the parties have entirely different rationales for looking the other way on this issue. Democrats: social/political
Republicans: economic
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, there may be some hope there, as a decent guest-worker program--genuinely enforeced, to a sector of the economy that needs it, etc--might be a way to buy off the business lobby.  Maybe that&#039;s a delusion, I don&#039;t know.

Anyway, some Republicans do genuinely seem to be going at it from a political stance as well, having apparently convinced themselves that they can somehow bag hispanics as a permanent voting bloc the same way Dems have bagged blacks.  Or convinced themselves that they will lose the hispanic bloc for all time if they don&#039;t pander to the immigration activists, whom they can&#039;t seem to distinguish from hispanics in general--as if legal hispanic citizens are as pro-illegal-immigration as immigration activists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And the real problem is that the parties have entirely different rationales for looking the other way on this issue. Democrats: social/political<br />
Republicans: economic
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<p>Well, there may be some hope there, as a decent guest-worker program&#8211;genuinely enforeced, to a sector of the economy that needs it, etc&#8211;might be a way to buy off the business lobby.  Maybe that&#8217;s a delusion, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Anyway, some Republicans do genuinely seem to be going at it from a political stance as well, having apparently convinced themselves that they can somehow bag hispanics as a permanent voting bloc the same way Dems have bagged blacks.  Or convinced themselves that they will lose the hispanic bloc for all time if they don&#8217;t pander to the immigration activists, whom they can&#8217;t seem to distinguish from hispanics in general&#8211;as if legal hispanic citizens are as pro-illegal-immigration as immigration activists!</p>
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		<title>By: Slublog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slublog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What saves us 75 cents at the checkout stand … costs us each thousands a year in taxes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But isn&#039;t it worth it for cheap produce?

C&#039;mon...there&#039;s nothing like a nice juicy clementine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What saves us 75 cents at the checkout stand … costs us each thousands a year in taxes.</p></blockquote>
<p>But isn&#8217;t it worth it for cheap produce?</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon&#8230;there&#8217;s nothing like a nice juicy clementine.</p>
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