AP makes the case: Iraq = Vietnam; Update: Kaus makes the case: Iraq = amnesty!

posted at 12:33 pm on January 25, 2007 by Allahpundit

LGF got an e-mail from Iraq yesterday about the AP’s report on four American contractors executed with shots to the head. Tain’t necessarily so, says Charles’s correspondent. He’s keeping an eye on it, but I’m giving it a wide berth after Jamilgate, especially since one of the AP’s sources on the manner of death was a U.S. defense official. In the meantime, though, enjoy this “news” article about the cases for and against for comparing Iraq to Vietnam. Similarities?

While the 58,000 U.S. military deaths in Vietnam dwarf the just over 3,000 U.S. casualties so far in Iraq, the financial costs of the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other military anti-terrorism activities are beginning to rival that spent on Vietnam.

Other similarities:

_Both wars initially had majority support from Americans that evaporated as the war dragged on without clear-cut victories.

_Successive escalation by Presidents Johnson and Nixon were billed as setting the stage for victory, to be followed by “Vietnamization” in which South Vietnamese forces would stand up as U.S. forces stood down. Sounds like Bush’s game plan for Iraq.

_Before a recent admission of mistakes, Bush had been consistently upbeat. So were Johnson and Nixon administration figures, going back to Gen. William Westmoreland’s premature 1969 sighting of a “light at the end of the tunnel.”

_Johnson called Vietnam War critics “nervous nellies.” Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney accused Democrats of wanting to “cut and run,” White House press secretary Tony Snow branded them “Defeatocrats.”

_Just as Iraq is depicted as the central front in a global war against terrorism, Vietnam was portrayed as pivotal in a global war against communism.

“The way in which Iraq is similar to Vietnam is the profound effect this war is having on the military. We have the same problems winning a guerrilla war on the guerrilla’s home turf,” said Jon Alterman, director of Mideast programs at the Center for Strategic and International Studies…

The amount spent on the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other anti-terror activities tops $500 billion, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. Another $100 billion request is going to Congress next month.

The total is fast approaching the cost of the Vietnam War, roughly an inflation-adjusted $614 billion in today’s dollars.

Differences, besides the body count? Just one — and it’s unfavorable to the present conflict.

“The way they are dissimilar is this is a war that has been easy to ignore. It is a war with almost no public sacrifice. It feels like somebody else’s war, it feels remote in a way that Vietnam did not.”

Over to you, Hitch!

Update: Now here’s a persuasive analogy.

Update: The author, Tom Raum, really likes this comparison. His take on the Haditha furor back in June? “The My Lai spectre looms large in Iraq.” Thanks to Slublog for the catch.

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And it appears that the war will be lost in the halls of Congress and the White House, just like Vietnam.

Mazztek on January 25, 2007 at 12:38 PM

Not the first time Mr. Raum has done this:

“The My Lai spectre looms large in Iraq” – June 2, 2006

Slublog on January 25, 2007 at 12:39 PM

90% of the volunteer force approve of and support their mission. I think everyone should be listening to them!

Buck Turgidson on January 25, 2007 at 12:52 PM

as a diabled Vfet I cant say it’s an all volunteer force and the scumbags that complain do it from their easy chair sucking down big macs and jumping in the gas guzzling SUV’s road-raging around town…

retired on January 25, 2007 at 12:55 PM

Well, so-called-liberals are basically defeating the US in Iraq.

The US Military can not lose a military engagement at this time in history, but the US Government can be easily defeated through psychological warfare.

Whatever. I don’t live in a major city, so my only comfort is that when the emboldened terrorists attack again, I won’t be among the dead.

Congratulations Blue-state Dhimmi-crats, your lack of “self preservation” astonishes me yet again.

I’ll keep supporting policies designed to keep y’all alive, but in the end everybody has to decide what their goal is.

Jones Zemkophill on January 25, 2007 at 1:57 PM

Ah, the stupid, old, Iraq == Vietnam analogy….

Let’s compare and contrast…..

If the analogy were true, history would read thus:

North Vietnam would have been invaded in 1965 by 200,000 US troops, instead of their being sent to South Vietnam.

Within a matter of days, US Air Force and Navy war planes would have established total air supremacy, destroying the rudimentary North Vietnamese Air Force on the ground and decimating their top army divisions.

The US military issues decks of playing cards with the photos of the top 54 North Vietnamese government leaders to all troops.

Hanoi and Haiphong would have fallen to US forces 3 weeks after the US invaded North Vietnam. The North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong (in the south) would be disbanded immediately thereafter in the “De-Communitization Program”.

Ho Chi Minh would have captured as he was hiding in his “spider hole” 6 months later.

A “Vietnam Provisional Authority” would have been formed to prepare North Vietnam for electing an interim government by the end of 1966. By August 1967, the people of North Vietnam would have approved a constitution, and by TET 1968, North Vietnam’s Parliament would have been elected, with the seating of a Prime Minister and all major government ministers by that summer.

A “New North Vietnam Army” would be trained and equipped by the US Military under Theater Commander General William Westmorland to combat persistent guerrilla forces or “insurgents” led by local Communist warlords that refuse to surrender to the new popularly elected government.

December, 1969, Uncle Ho and his top 2 lieutenants are executed by hanging for crimes against humanity committed against his own people.

January 1970, total US casualties to date: 3000 US KIA, instead of over 50,000.

Yeah. Iraq is like Vietnam — don’t we all wish it had gone down this way!!!

georgej on January 25, 2007 at 3:20 PM

And a Picasso painting is the same as Monet because they both were a painting on a canvas. Mozart and Manilow must be the same also.
Lazy reporters, lazy thinking.

right2bright on January 25, 2007 at 4:06 PM

Thanks georgej for putting it all in perspective

Natrium on January 25, 2007 at 11:22 PM

georgej, terrific takedown! Thank you.
(Looking at the Left now, it really makes me wonder why we didn’t bust them as liars and whiners during the Vietnam war before they did so much damage.
At least we’ve finally got their number now–they just hate America and American exceptionalism.

Jen the Neocon on January 26, 2007 at 2:24 AM