Video: Wisconsin company tells U.S. soldier in Iraq to get bent
posted at 11:24 am on January 23, 2007 by Allahpundit
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This is outrageous, but perhaps not so outrageous as to warrant the steady stream of e-mails about it that’s been flowing in for days and days. The company itself has been so deluged with angry messages that they’ve had to take their site offline, and the owner has reportedly been threatened and subjected to some choice words from the “nuke Mecca” crowd. Lovely.
Nice job here by our bud JG and Doug Kennedy (a.k.a. “the good Kennedy”), who sounds like he’s passing a stone during his voiceover.
Update: Jim Treacher e-mails to ask why this is an outrage when this, apparently, isn’t. Update: Never mind!
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The Muslims living here would be wise to demonstrate in word and deed 110% loyalty to this country, this republic, this consitution. I have every confidence that they won’t.
dhimwit on January 23, 2007 at 3:38 PM
Let’s be fair here. These protests haven’t exactly saved anything. The illegals are still illegal. The pro-lifers marched the other day and still, abortion is legal.
No, I won’t give up the rare time I get with my entire family to do something that doesn’t make even half the difference I can make in just a few minutes on election day. And honestly, I wouldn’t respect anyone in my family if they chose protesting over seeing each other.
The other reason conservatives don’t march is because we don’t all necessarily live in big towns which easily lend themselves to protest. You can get a large crowd in San Fran, but how big of a crowd can you get in the rural South? Are you asking us all to fly ourselves to DC? I work, but I’m not rich.
Esthier on January 23, 2007 at 3:46 PM
I understand what you’re saying and I’m glad you cleared it up. As a business owner, I would not want someone telling me who I have to serve, but I also understand that if I make the wrong call … I could suffer the wrath of an angry public.
I can honestly say that if Michael Moore, Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter were to walk into my business … I would ask them to leave. Probably not a very sound business decision, but one I’d make all the same.
You seem to agree with that also.
Gregor on January 23, 2007 at 3:47 PM
I’m guessing that you meant to say that you wouldn’t allow anyone to force you to serve to anyone in specific. And I completely agree with you there. Sorry about any misunderstandings.
Esthier on January 23, 2007 at 3:48 PM
As SouthernGent noted above, why isn’t the military meeting this basic need? Our troops deserve much better.
Valiant on January 23, 2007 at 3:53 PM
Esthier: Voting doesn’t work, or haven’t you noticed.
When we DO have a majority in the House & Senate, which hasn’t really happened yet because of all the “moderate” republicans that vote with the liberals…. we still get shot down by the courts (remember Roe v. wade? The ruling against term limits for Senators and Congressmen? The death peanlty in practically every state? etc.)
I agree with the difficulty in getting a big crowd anywhere, that’s why I suggested a “stay home instead of workday.” The mainstream media can ignore a crowd anyway, but its hard to ignore a major disruption of workplaces across the country, in towns big and small….
Too many non-participants would be impacted, and they’d be pissed…. and they wouldn’t want it to happen again. If you want to get the politicians to act, you’ve got to hurt someone in the pocketbook. They don’t recognize anything but MONEY.
Mustafa Hemmroid on January 23, 2007 at 3:53 PM
They are? Where? I’m not aware of any State actually enforcing any laws.
They did? How many? Twelve of them? I’m sure there were more than that, but not 100,000. We need 100,000 to make a dent. That was my point.
Do you really make a difference on election day? Really?! Did anyone you voted for last November win? Not me. They all lost.
Seriously? You wouldn’t respect anyone in your family for spending a day trying to save our country? Can’t you do that together, as a family? So, you would sit at your dinner table eating a turkey while your country was being lost?
Confusing, but you’re not alone. Most conservatives show by their actions that they feel the same way.
A well organized nationwide protest would not require everyone to travel further than their own city. If all conservatives were to sacrifice ONE DAY, we’d have MILLIONS marching the streets throughout this nation.
And marching right down the middle of the street is exactly how it should happen. Not standing on the sidewalk being shouted down by gays, illegals, and ACLU goons.
Gregor on January 23, 2007 at 3:56 PM
In fairness to hotair I think the Jamil story has taught them not to just post rumors.
Last night I sent them the Sentinel Link to back up the story. That was a media story they could quote in relation to the story rather than just internet postings about an event.
Always try to find some media to back up anything you get on the net.
William Amos on January 23, 2007 at 3:57 PM
No. Protesting is just not part of my DNA, however voting and politically motivated boycotting is.
See? There are lots of ways to make a statement.
CliffHanger on January 23, 2007 at 3:59 PM
Valiant….
It has NOTHING to do with Reps or Dems or Us or Them….it is government….big fat government…run by memo and requisition…..
The military has TOE’s (Tables of Organization and Equipment) made by ultra-smart desk jockeys. If it isn’t on the TOE is isn’t in the unit load. Been like that since George froze his fanny off in Delaware. Not right, but the truth.
Limerick on January 23, 2007 at 4:00 PM
Khetani is affiliated with a group of other Muslim men who all own bogus websites that are inter-connected. They are for basketball drills, weight-lifting, yoga, jewelry, and scooters - and that’s just what I’ve found so far.
All the sites are owned by Faisal Khetani, Ahmed Bushra, or Sajid Nasir. Nasir is also credited as the VP of Khetani’s Discount Mats. They are all in their mid-20s. Nasir is also a student activist at UW-Milwaukee, where he penned an editorial whining about the Mohammed cartoons: “why would they do something like this…why do they hate us?” I kid you not - and it goes downhill from there.
I’m snooping hard on these guys because their bogus websites could possibly be a front for something else. It’s worth the time to find out, don’t ya think?
As well, Khetani’s father, Ramzan (age 55), works in the engineering department for the State of WI facilities. That’s a tad coincidental.
Furthermore, someone in Khetani’s family, Salman Ramzan (either his father or his brother), has a degree (courtesy of American taxpayers) for bio-chemical engineering. Now that’s downright worrisome!
Something’s not right about this whole gaggle of Muslims. This isn’t about their rights as businessmen, this is about what their REAL business is. I’m telling you - it ain’t cheesy websites about yoga!!
I’ve got a pissed off 1st Cav RVN vet helping me dig. If anyone wants to help in the hunt, check my site for everything I’ve found so far - there’s ten updates and counting at the bottom. That should help get you started.
Redhead Infidel on January 23, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Mustafa Hemmroid: I’ve noticed. Though I still say it’s more effective than protesting.
Even what you propose, which basically sounds like a strike without the signs, still feels problematic. If I stayed home just one day, or even if everyone at my job stayed home one day, it wouldn’t hault the general public. I provide information on television programming.
The only thing I can do is hurt my boss’s pocketbook which will in turn bite me where the sun doesn’t shine and hurt my pocketbook, which is doubly harmful since my husband and I work at the same place.
Besides, I would be a hypocrit if I supported a disruption of workplaces across the country anyway since I was very much against the public transit strike that happened in New York. I applauded the fine they received and still believe they were in the wrong.
I’m sorry if I sound purely negative.
I believe you are right though. Money is the key to being heard. And afterall, aren’t Republicans supposed to have all the money? Why aren’t we funding movies with conservative themes? Why aren’t we all sporting “pro-war scarfs”? Why aren’t we funding more Republican-minded bands?
Liberalism infected our entire culture primarily through the media, from music to TV. Conservativism could do the same. And as talk radio and Fox News have shown, there is a desire from something other than liberalism as usual.
Esthier on January 23, 2007 at 4:05 PM
I understand, but loading a musket and marching straight into oncoming British soldiers was not part of our DNA either, yet it was necessary. But somehow we’ve come to the point where Americans are unwilling to give up a single meal?
Simply voting does not have much of an impact when the candidates on the ballot all stand against what you’re fighting for.
Gregor on January 23, 2007 at 4:05 PM
Correction to my commment above: *bio-engineering
Redhead Infidel on January 23, 2007 at 4:10 PM
I’d like to read, but the link seems to be broken. I get:
:-)
lan astaslem on January 23, 2007 at 4:12 PM
Like I said, nothing is going to happen until a critical mass of people get POed enough to shuck their complacency and act.
I don’t think this will happen prior to the fecal material hitting the rotating oscillator, and we get either a major attack on an American city… or until we see these homegrown terrorists coming out of the sewers and causing havoc across the land.
On that day, people will act. We’ll have every muslim in the land locked up in detention centers, even the innocent, and those of us on the outside will lose whatever’s left of our civil rights. At that time, personal survival will be our paramount concern. It’s the price we’ll pay for becoming mentally vacant, bovine, entertainment driven multiculture.
Mustafa Hemmroid on January 23, 2007 at 4:13 PM
I’m sorry I sound so negative.
Blame part of it on the shortness of daylight and fatigue.
This current blue period I’m having is why I took the name Mustafa Hemmroid.
Mustafa Hemmroid on January 23, 2007 at 4:16 PM
Interesting:
http://who.securepaynet.net/WhoIs.aspx?domain=quality-discount-scooters.com&prog_id=teknon
James on January 23, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Too late. Already happened and Americans still sleep.
I also used to think there was a line that only needed to be crossed. But I’ve watched as all those lines have been crossed and still … Americans sit at the table enjoying their turkey dinners and claiming it’s just too tough to miss a day of work.
Meanwhile, major cities such as San Francisco and New York have made gun ownership ILLEGAL, completely ignoring our constitution. Yet … we sleep.
You can expect those laws to spread until it really doesn’t matter how pissed off we get anymore. We’ll be unable to do anything about it.
Gregor on January 23, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Try pumping that address into
http://rmgis.ruekert-mielke.com/Greenfield/AssessSearch.asp?Status=NotFound
No match.
James on January 23, 2007 at 4:24 PM
As somebody noted above, when I as in the USMC an APO/FPO address was NOT really an overseas address. Sure, the package showed up overseas, but for the sender it was no different than any domestic address. Zip code and everything. Maybe that’s different now, I dunno. But I used to do all my Christmas shopping by catalog (the old fashioned kind, made of paper!) … and EVERYBODY shipped.
In other words … typical horse manure.
And I’m enjoying liberals yet AGAIN somehow failing to understand that free speech does not mean speech without consequences. (Or that “free speech” isn’t even a valid term unless government action is involved in infringing upon that speech, but now you’re wandering into territory beyond the thinking power of most liberals …)
I will and have fought to defend that idiots right to say any damn thing he pleases - but “free speech” means that now I get to condemn that speech, including sending a zillion e-mails, if I choose.
Do liberals really not get that?
The irony never ends: liberalism veers closer, factually and historically, to fascism, with every passing day. Any actual liberal would be appalled by modern liberals.
Never mind. Just throw a pie at me and shout me down, baby. I’m probably racist, too.
Professor Blather on January 23, 2007 at 4:29 PM
http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=Ahmed%20Bushra&state=WI&ref=$ref&se=$se&doby=&city=&name_style=1
Ahmed F Bushra perhaps?
Hope this helps RedHead
James on January 23, 2007 at 4:31 PM
Why is it the case that the critics of American policy think the First Amendment protects them from public reaction to their exercise of free speech? I’m sure that someone on the Left has an answer to my question
Now that Discount-Mats owner Faisal Khetani has fired his arrant employee, he expects everyone to forgive and forget. Well, sorry Mr. Khetani, it’s not quite that simple. How do we know that the author of this insult is not Mr. Khetani himself? Perhaps if Mr. Khetani had 1) name the author; and 2) already sent the mats to the troops in Iraq for free, I could believe in his contrition. Maybe Mr. Othman (Mohammed) Atta can represent Mr. Khetani in his upcoming bankruptcy.
FYI, here is Mr. Atta’s curricula vita:
“Othman Atta is an attorney with Atta Law Offices, LLC., located in downtown Milwaukee. Mr. Atta received his bachelor’s degree in Biological Science and International Relations from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, and his law degree from the Marquette University Law School.
He is a naturalized American of Palestinian origin, born near Jerusalem, and is active in Islamic issues.
President of the Islamic Society of Milwaukee, the largest Muslim organization in Wisconsin, Mr. Atta is a Board Member of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. In 2002 the Wisconsin chapter of the ACLU recognized him with its ‘Civil Libertarian of the Year’ award.
He is an adjunct faculty member at Cardinal Stritch University where he teaches a course on the religious culture of Islam and has taught a similar offering for UW Extension. Mr. Atta speaks often to business and interfaith groups and is a frequent guest on radio and television programs.” (Info courtesy of the University of Wiscosin- Milwaukee)
ACLU, I’m Shocked!!!
gmaninatl on January 23, 2007 at 4:39 PM
Gregor - My problem with general boycots (such as a day of not working/shopping/etc) are that the damage they do is quite dispersed. If everyone boycots and my aunt’s dog grooming store takes a hit, how has that helped the cause? She happens to be a conservative and supports most of the causes supported by the people on this board. Even if she weren’t a conservative, how is damaging her bottom line beneficial to “The Cause” ™?
Also, as Thomas Sowell (I believe) pointed out - if we boycot on Monday but then go do Monday’s shopping on Tuesday, the business haven’t actually lost anything.
The left has been protesting the war since LONG before the invasion in Iraq happened, and yet, we are still there, to this day. While their protests may make the evening news, they don’t appear to make policy.
There has to be something more effective than general boycots and protests.
JadeNYU on January 23, 2007 at 4:43 PM
They are in my state. But that really has nothing to do with the protests. These laws have been ignored for a long time. If anything, their protests were counter effective in border states.
I looked and can’t find an estimate. Either way, it’s a well-known march that has been going for for over 30 years. Even it hasn’t stopped abortion.
Yeah, I live in Texas. Not only was the race closer than it should have been but my guys also won, all of them I believe.
A few things:
I don’t live in the same city and state as everyone in my family. My time with them is not frequent, and I treasure it.
Not everyone in my family feels the way I do and only disrespect would allow me to choose a protest some disagree with to leave them during a family holiday.
And again, you’re not exactly talking about a method that has been proven as being able to save anything.
And what would we protest? What single issue do conservatives rally behind?
I’m not saying I’d never protest. I just haven’t had a good enough reason yet.
Esthier on January 23, 2007 at 4:44 PM
That’s a broad brush you’re painting with. I usually have no trouble finding and voting for a candidate who most closely represents my views. Also, don’t diminish the effectiveness of a boycott. Remember, I don’t oppose the act of protesting, I just personally don’t do them.
One of many reasons not to live in SF or NY, I suppose. Shouldn’t we give the SCOTUS an opportunity to sort this out?
CliffHanger on January 23, 2007 at 4:49 PM
Wow-
Good stuff Redhead Infidel (& others). That kind of investigative work makes a lot more sense to me than just getting outraged and sending nasty emails over business practices that are Constitutionally protected.
If these guys are mere crooks, I’ll cheer when they get arrested and convicted.
If they are a terrorist front or their profits go to fund terrorism… Well, I’ll join the rest of you in Wisconsin as soon as I can find my rope.
Wouldn’t it be neat (and poetic justice) if they got a real nice ’social visit’ from ‘Jack Bauer’ only because they were stupid and wouldn’t sell a mat to a soldier?
LegendHasIt on January 23, 2007 at 4:55 PM
If you send something to an APO address, you have to use US Mail, not UPS or FedEx and you have to fill out a form. So some business don’t do it, either because of the extra work, they want to use UPS/FedEx only or maybe they’ve had bad experiences with the packages not making it to the person.
Once, a family member shipped a package from San Francisco to me when we lived on Andrews Air Force Base. Like, ya know, the one in MARYLAND. The Post Office employee in SF made her fill out the APO form!! Saw “AFB” and didn’t know the difference between an Air Force Base and an APO address. Not a lot of care packages going out of SF, I guess.
MamaAJ on January 23, 2007 at 4:55 PM
I agree Jade. It wasn’t me who suggested we boycott small businesses. That was someone else. My suggestion was a million people marching down center of town, holding up traffic, forcing our voices to be heard.
Now, with that said. There are certain times when I support massive boycotts of specific businesses, such as in this case with the Pakistani Muslim. Other examples would be the Miller Brewing boycott and Wendy’s when they were busted hiring illegals.
Gregor on January 23, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Resa LaRu “Warchick” Kirkland, one of our correspondents here on Publius’ Forum, has been trying to clear up a wretched email that was sent to one of our boys in Iraq refusing him service and telling him he should “pull out of Iraq”.
In that same letter, Khetani also threatened Kirkland with unleashing the wrath of “major muslim organizations” on her for her “insults”. He closed by telling Kirkland, “you can be sure that there are million of muslim activists as well that will do something about your foul statements…. your statements against Muslims and your direct insults will not go unheard, I assure you.”
There you have it. It’s all her fault and now he’s threatening an American with Islamic retaliation. How pathetically typical. There is hope though. A google new check this morning showed only 6 stories. It’s now 111 and growing.
When Khetani made his threat he lost all options. Protest, yes! Boycott? Hell yes, it’s a now brainer. Second to deportation. End of story.
Timber Wolf on January 23, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Err … NOT! Not if you live in Texas. For example … Houston is home to a police chief who publicly refuses to enforce immigration laws, even after one of his officers was murdered by an illegal.
Texas also happens to be home of El Presidente Bush, so I’m puzzled how you can claim your state enforces immigration law.
Not too well known if you can’t find the info. And like I said. It’s not going to be effective if there aren’t 100,000 or more involved. One other problem. Almost all polls show the majority of Americans are against over-turning Woe vs Wade, so we’re talking about apples and oranges here.
And have all the illegals suddenly been deported since the election in Texas? Did Bush get the message sent in his own state? Did he give up on amnesty? Is the border secure?
Not the slightest bit of impact.
I totally disagree. The ONLY method which has repeatedly been effective in changing government policy is MASS PROTEST. That’s been the case throughout history and it’s no different now.
Border security. Amnesty. Illegal immigration.
85% of Americans are on the same page.
Gregor on January 23, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Errr … I don’t want to say what I have on my mind regarding that statement. Maybe some of our current soldiers would have a thought on those who prefer to let others do the fighting.
And which city is next? Is that the answer? Just move? Eventually, you may run out of places to move.
Huh? An opportunity? They already passed on that opportunity. It’s history. Done. It’s law and in NY’s case … it’s been law for a long time.
Gregor on January 23, 2007 at 5:59 PM
The call of the unbridled socialist. JaHerer, the Constitution doesn’t even support free speech unconditionally, and that is a foolish position to take, especially backed by considering the “yelling fire in a theatre” concept as being acceptable speech.
LegendHasIt had this one right all along. A business owner may do business as he chooses. But when a business owner makes his personal or political biases known to be the basis for his decisions, it is also fair game to be biased against his business for those same positions. If (very unlikely) I had a reason to seek a product his business provides, you can be sure that now he has no chance of getting my money. I can imagine even writing him an email to tell him why. But that should be the limit of it.
Anybody who sent him correspondence laced with hatred or threats went too far.
When mailing to an APO/FPO, be cautious about trying to use the trick of NOT stating the address as being an APO/FPO. If it is letter mail or something you can be CERTAIN will go by US Postal Service, then no problem, it will get wherever they are as long as the correct ZIP+4 is used. But if UPS/FEDEX/DHL/etc is used to ship an item to that zip, it will be returned.
MamaAJ, the San Francisco post office does by far more APO/FPO volume than any post office in the world. It is quite possible that the counter employee was completely aware that AFB referred to a military location, and I’ll bet it’s policy to require the APO document, with good reason. Someone you know and love is stationed at Andrews, and you mail them a package. The same day you drop that box at the PO, your trooper is yanked onto a plane and sent to Seoul. If your package isn’t documented for APO shipment, it goes to Andrews and gets delivered to the home unit, who then either lets it sit until he gets back, or returns it to the base PO with forwarding instructions. If it has the APO markings, the base PO, or even the regional USPS office will be able to forward it to Korea directly.
Freelancer on January 23, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Fox News covered it like a blanket.
I say just shun those who do not support OUR troops. They have their freedoms, so do we, just practice freedom of choice and choose to do business else where.
Zorro on January 23, 2007 at 6:52 PM
This wouldn’t have been a story at all if they had responded that they didn’t ship to APO / FPO addresses and suggest that the purchaser have someone in the US purchase the mats and ship them theirselves. But no, they made a political statement and thus they discriminated against persons with an APO / FPO address (which is not an international address).
For this they must pay by being exposed and in the bright light of day public opinion may or may not result in this guy’s business going under. There are lessons to be learned here and I’m sure that some people are more than willing to teach them.
Buzzy on January 23, 2007 at 7:22 PM
FYI….Redheaded Infidel at Euphoric Reality just got their post back. After she started doing this investigating, she got an email warning her that these Mooslim asshats were very tech-savvy, and to be careful about going too far in digging into their background.
Soon thereafter, their post (and ONLY this post) was broken (did I mention it was only THIS particular post? the rest of Euphoric Reality was still viable). They’ve salvaged the whole post, but lost all their trackbacks and comments. But the most important part is their investigative work is now back up. Check out the post… let’s go a-huntin!
Here’s a brief piece from their post:
HAHAH!! WE’VE BEEN HACKED.
WE’RE BEING SLAMMED BY PROXIES OUT OF CHICAGO AND MILWAUKEE. APPARENTLY, THE MUSLIMS DON’T LIKE THIS ARTICLE AND DELETED IT COMPLETELY.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
WE’RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
I think the girls are onto something. I’ve seen whole sites crash, but never single posts just go *poof*…. VERY strange.
MsUnderestimated on January 23, 2007 at 7:28 PM
I hope this serves as a red flag to look into to make sure it isn’t part of a sham. Seen enough of their so called *legit* businesses really were fronts to send money back to support terrorists. Especially given his stance after his business looks decimated.
I also do not think it was an employee. The response was his.
We reserve the right to hound him until he shuts down his business if he wishes to pop off to the very armed forces that afford his luxury to have the freedom of a business.
Go back to pakistan!
Highrise on January 23, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Freelancer, it is absolutely not policy to require APO paperwork to bases in the U.S. While your example is possible, it’s a tiny fraction of all packages sent to all the military bases/posts in the country. That would be a whole lot of extra paperwork “just in case”.
Which hasn’t stopped the military and/or gov’t before, but…
And SF may handle all the APO mail to points west, but I was talking about clerks in a little local branch near her house!
MamaAJ on January 23, 2007 at 8:58 PM
The outrage is that these guys need to buy their own mats at all. We spend hundreds of billions on weapons that our leaders prevent our men from using on the enemy, and our boys in Crapistan have to ante up for their own fucking mats. Thanks, Washington.
Lazarus on January 23, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Lazarus…….
Take your pill. They don’t issue them jammies either. Since when has ANY government supplied its employees all the tools they need? ANY government at ALL. Name ONE. Just ONE.
Limerick on January 23, 2007 at 10:57 PM
Exactly! - The best of both worlds - support free market capitalism and free speech as well as the troops!
Emmett J. on January 23, 2007 at 11:08 PM
I think that story scared them into being more cautious than they need to be. My source was Snopes, which is pretty damned reliable. I’ve hardly ever seen them have to post a correction.
JinxMcHue on January 24, 2007 at 12:12 AM
“Free speech”, eh? Ok. I don’t like black people. I won’t sell to them. I don’t like Democrats, prove you’re a Republican before I sell to you. Hey, you aren’t a Jew, are you? Give that back!
hadsil on January 24, 2007 at 2:33 AM
Douche bags! I thing that about sums it up.
sonnyspats1 on January 24, 2007 at 2:42 AM
Hello - CAIR?? Where is your traveling Press Conference now???
Imagine the outrage if a Muslim was sent an email like this.
iam7545 on January 24, 2007 at 9:43 AM
Two things
1) the Fox article left the impression (deliberate?) that the troop was asking for freebies. In the quote from the SGT, it is clear that he is wanting to buy, but from a company that can ship it to him. definite difference, and a lot less empathy for somebody that didn’t get freebies than someone who wanted to transact business (presumably at a profit to the business)
2) it sounds like the “firing” of the Dallas area clerk(s) that refused service to a uniformed Marine a few years back. No Name, no interviews with the culprit, and take the owner’s word that action has been taken. For an internet business …
IT would be most likely that the “employee” in question is the owner or a partner of the group it seems make up that ring. (In Florida such actions were usually connected with hiding the employment or ownership at business that would disqualify the welfare being received or violate visa conditions such as student or visitor)
Look at all the addresses for welfare fraud as well as visa violations and I suspect it would be found.
Jhn'1 on January 24, 2007 at 12:13 PM
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