Jamilgate: Eerie silence from E&P about Hot Air’s Hurriya mosques report
posted at 5:51 pm on January 22, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I don’t get it. They’re interested in the story, aren’t they? For instance, when Marc Danziger reported on December 16th that he might have found Jamil Hussein at the Yarmouk police station, right where the AP had said he was, E&P wrote it up the very next morning — a Sunday, no less. They seemed pretty jazzed about it, too:
Allahpundit, posting at Malkin’s adjunct Hot Air blog, commented, “And what of the boss’s trip? Are she and Eason Jordan still going to be knocking on doors in Hurriya? So many questions!” The tag for the story on the Hot Air home page on Sunday read, “Anyone got any good recipes for crow?”
Then, on January 4th, when the AP story confirming Hussein’s existence broke, E&P had it even before we did. Again, garnished with a quote from yours truly:
Allahpundit, blogging at Hot Air, admitted, She and we were wrong about Jamil Hussein. Whether we’re wrong about the rest of it, too, we’ll see. Apologies, though, to the HA readers for having led you on a bit of a wild goose chase, however well founded and well intended our suspicions were.”
Today, they’ve got nothing. Nothing on the front page, no recent search results for the keywords “hurriya,” “malkin,” or “mosques,” despite the fact that it’s now been 32 hours and counting since Michelle’s column went live at the New York Post’s website and she wrote it up at her blog.
Go figure.
You’ll also be surprised to find, of the 60+ links to her blog post and the 60+ links to her Post column, not a single major nutroots blog among them.
Maybe we’ll see some movement tomorrow. It takes awhile for a story to filter through the lefty blogosphere, unless it suits their agenda in which case it filters through instantly. In the meantime, I’m going to work on a new quote for E&P. I don’t want to give it away, but it involves some combination of the words “hack,” “disingenuous,” “profession,” “disgrace,” and “Greg Mitchell.”
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It’s called “strategizing”
Rick on January 22, 2007 at 5:56 PM
As long as “journalist” doesn’t make it in there.
Hey, Greg! You’re beyond pathetic. Give Adnan Hajj a kiss for me, would you, you filthy bastard?
Pablo on January 22, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Nada, zip, bupkiss,zero.
Maybe they are just trying to get through the saddest day of the year,m’kay?
I think they also might be waiting for something truly atrocious with which to temper this revelation.
bbz123 on January 22, 2007 at 6:01 PM
In my best “Gomer Pyle” voice… Shazam!
GT on January 22, 2007 at 6:02 PM
They are hoping it will just “go away”
Highrise on January 22, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Watch it on the comments about Mitchell. He is, as alluded to, a completely disingenuous hack, and he’d like nothing more to deflect attention here by whining instead about people demonizing him in our comments section. Bend over backwards to be polite in your criticism of him.
Allahpundit on January 22, 2007 at 6:02 PM
“Allahpundit,”
I am not surprised at the lack of coverage on Michelle’s fact finding and revelation mission, or the lack of coverage or response to her article.
Frankly, I have reached a point at which I expect this.
I am happy to have other outlets through which to find news, including India, China, Australia, and elsewhere, as well as via Michelle, Hot Air, and so on.
It is clear from the pattern of the news and the headlines, and the stories that the mainstream leftist news propaganda outlets choose, that they don’t check their sources so well when it comes to damaging George W. Bush, the US, and the war effort. “Hurry! Quick! Get this story out, banner headlines, from page. Above the fold!”
Great work from you, Ian, Michelle, Bryan, et al.
William
“Lan astaslem.”
I will not submit. I will not surrender
William2006 on January 22, 2007 at 6:03 PM
Seems overly polite to me.
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GT on January 22, 2007 at 6:05 PM
Ya know E&P was silenced–BOOSH!
Cover their head and hide from the violence—BOOSH!
see-dubya on January 22, 2007 at 6:09 PM
If he’d bend over any way at all to do some honest reporting, I’d consider it. As it stands, I have exactly the respect for him that he deserves: Zero.
He sees the train coming, and instead of getting off the tracks, he’s content with calling it a neocon and railing against it with a clenched fist and a spittle flecked chin. Mitchell makes Katie Couric look like Stephen Vincent.
Pablo on January 22, 2007 at 6:13 PM
It has to be filtered through the Townhouse listserv before they can decide how to respond or decide if it should be “starved of oxygen” because they can’t comment without looking stupid.
Topsecretk9 on January 22, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Maybe they are just prognostocating the burning down of the mosques in the future. I can see it now “Jamil Hussien was right the Mosques did burn down on september 7th 2009 !
William Amos on January 22, 2007 at 6:18 PM
As long as it’s not forwards - sorry, had to. Couldn’t resist that one.
Rick on January 22, 2007 at 6:20 PM
You sure do have a way with words, AP. Really, you do.
Dusty on January 22, 2007 at 6:23 PM
Allah, unrelated, but dude, the blinking advertisement on the home page for free PS3s is about to send me into a seisure. I doubt you have any control on what is displayed, but I figured I’d bitch about it anyway. ;)
CorinthianJest on January 22, 2007 at 6:27 PM
William Amos wrote:
Fake but accurate. Eventually. ;-)
aero on January 22, 2007 at 6:31 PM
Solution: FireFox with NoScript and AdblockerPlus installed. Problem solved.
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GT on January 22, 2007 at 6:33 PM
Rick, you mean strategery right? They haven’t had a chance to bend and shape the story to their agenda yet. Nothing confounds the left like facts. Imagine where the left would be, how far advanced they would be were it not for those pesky truisms………
ritethinker on January 22, 2007 at 6:46 PM
So I guess playing “Guess The Quote” is out of the question, or could we simply host it off-site?
steveegg on January 22, 2007 at 6:51 PM
If
ithe reports like a hack, ifithe responds like a hack, ifithe’s as disingenuous as a hack, ifithe hides like a hack,ithe’s a disgrace toitshis profession.…bending neither backward/forward,
Entelechy on January 22, 2007 at 6:57 PM
I took care of it like I take care of all such similar problems: I covered it up with black electricians tape. Viola! No more anoying ad!
Granted, now approximately 75% of my screen has been covered with tape, and I feel like I am peering at the internet through a submarine periscope, but hey, its a small price to pay.
EFG on January 22, 2007 at 7:01 PM
and
What story? That a bunch of right wing bloggers, in an attempt to discredit the Associated Press and its reporting on the war in Iraq outrageously accused them of not only fabricating news, but sources as well. They printed up their own mock banners, gave it their own scandal sounding name, ‘jamilgate’ and pushed the meme until the source was located and, the last I read, faced incarceration.
That story’s been covered. Mrs Malkin can do whatever she wants to “turn on a dime” as someone put it, and spin this story in any direction she may please, but some, including apparently E&P won’t necessarily want to dance to her new tune.
The Associated (with terrorists) Press comment wasn’t clever, it was stupid, and the sad thing is that she doesn’t even know it.
THeDRiFTeR on January 22, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Ya know E&P was silenced–BOOSH!
Cover their head and hide from the violence—BOOSH!
see-dubya on January 22, 2007 at 6:09 PM
You crazy! LOL
sonnyspats1 on January 22, 2007 at 7:16 PM
Sounds to me like she hit a nerve, Drifter.
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GT on January 22, 2007 at 7:18 PM
Drifter’s dishonesty strikes again. Jamil Hussein, as the sole source for 61 stories that could not otherwise be verified, became part of the story when the MoI didn’t verify his existence. There are still real questions about that, btw–you need to keep up, TD.
The main story has always been “What happened on Nov 24?” The AP got that wrong, wrong, wrong. No mosques were destroyed in Hurriya. No six Sunnis burned. The Iraqi Army did not stand by and do nothing, but in fact did respond to the attack calls that did come in that day. Fake but accurate is one thing, but fake but inaccurate sets a whole new standard for modern journalism.
So the AP and Jamil Whatever got it wrong. They haven’t retracted their story. E&P is pretending we haven’t destroyed the AP’s report. Since Jamil Whatever is also the source for 60 additional stories, it’s worth wondering what else the AP has misreported from Iraq.
Either all of this is over Drifter’s head or Drifter is a liar. Based on Drifter’s record, the latter is more likely. One more blatant display of lying, Drifter, and you’re banned.
Yes, I do enjoy banning liars. So go ahead and give me a reason to do it.
Bryan on January 22, 2007 at 7:25 PM
Cue the Beaches theme song…
Candy Slice on January 22, 2007 at 7:26 PM
A liar? LOL. Whatever mate. Seems like everyones a liar what doesn’t agree with you huh? Nice.
Oh, and hey, banning me for being a liar is as good a pretext as any there Bryan.
THeDRiFTeR on January 22, 2007 at 7:30 PM
But Bryan, you’re just a blogger, not a journalist! What the heck do you know?
/pre-empting drifter
Pablo on January 22, 2007 at 7:30 PM
No buddy, you’re a liar when you’re full of crap. Like when you said you never comment here again.
Pablo on January 22, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Seems to me it’s hardly spin, Drifter. She found evidence that calls the AP’s trust in its source into question. That evidence moves this beyond the “she said/they said/E&P gloats” paradigm. The Associated Press should explain the discrepancy between their reporting and the pictures of undamaged mosques.
Here’s what the AP said in its report, dated November 25, 2006 by Steven R. Hurst, AP writer:
I’m using Lexis, so there’s no link. That the AP still stands by its story and its source, and that E&P seems unwilling to actually engage in substantive criticism of the industry they are supposed to cover is what is so bothersome here.
Slublog on January 22, 2007 at 7:32 PM
Have you researched this yourself there Bryan, or are you depending on the google research done by your wingnut m8?
THeDRiFTeR on January 22, 2007 at 7:33 PM
No, people can disagree with me without being liars. But you’re either quick to misunderstand what’s right in front of your face or you’re dishonest. Either way, it’s not worth spending any time debating you and this forum isn’t here for you to just sling mud as you see fit.
Bryan on January 22, 2007 at 7:35 PM
You’re banned. If you’re not going to take the time to follow a story you’re commenting on when the details have been published here numerous timews, and then you’re going to come here and question our honesty when we went to Iraq and saw that mosque with our own eyes you’re not worth the time it takes to read your drivel. You’re just not worth it.
Bye.
Bryan on January 22, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Either the attacks occured or they didn’t. You can’t have it both ways. If the Mahdi, I mean, Iraqi army did respond, and not stand by doing nothing, what exactly was it they were responding to?
Who’s doing the lying around here Bryan?
THeDRiFTeR on January 22, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Read the report, idiot. Or watch the video if reading is too much to ask. We reported that there were attacks that day–the AP got that much right. But the AP got everything else wrong. No Sunnis burned while the IA looked on. No mosques burned to the ground or destroyed. Did. Not. Happen.
You can put information right in front of a liberal, but you can’t make them think.
Bryan on January 22, 2007 at 7:40 PM
Gee, you know, I always thought that insulting the moderators and admins of a site was a good way to either be banned or demonstrate your stupidity. Seems like Drifter is doing both–unless he WANTS to be banned?
Look, Drifter: If you think Jamil Hussein was accurate, then prove it. If the AP was right, prove it–Michelle Malkin and hosts of others have demonstrated to my satisfaction and millions of others that the AP’s source was lying–and if he lied about that, and wasn’t caught, shouldn’t that be something a “news organization” should answer about? It’s to the point that I wonder–which is more reputable, The AP in their stories about Iraq, or the National Enquirer? How do we know we can trust the AP anymore? They have been caught redhanded publishing made up stuff as news. And they’ve stonewalled the entire time. Dan Rather was disgraced over this same thing–but you no doubt believe the memos were real, too, don’t you?
Vanceone on January 22, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Pablo on January 22, 2007 at 7:41 PM
He’s following the story. I’ve corrected him on this multiple times in the comments. No matter how often you try to explain that there are all sorts of things the AP has been proven wrong about, he returns to the fact that Jamil Hussein exists. Mosques didn’t burn down? Jamil Hussein exists! Attacks all over Baghdad sourced to a guy who couldn’t possibly know about them? Jamil Hussein exists! Doubt cast upon the burning six story by the New York Times, which couldn’t confirm it even though it called around to local residents to do so? Jamil Hussein exists!
Allahpundit on January 22, 2007 at 7:47 PM
If Jamil Hussein exists, you must acquit (The AP)!
Sorry, but that’s absurd–what if said Jamail Hussein was lying? Is leftist logic really that nonexistent? I mean, the Golden gate bridge exists too, but how many people will believe me if I try to sell it to them?
I seriously think many leftists need to go back to math and get out of the touchy-feely classes
Vanceone on January 22, 2007 at 7:57 PM
Who was it ensured that THeDRiFTeR got banned?–BOOSH!
Made events so complex he couldn’t understand?–BOOSH!
see-dubya on January 22, 2007 at 7:57 PM
I bet Michelle gets a chuckle reading Drifter’s pontifications.
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GT on January 22, 2007 at 8:02 PM
I certainly get a chuckle out of reading what Drifter has to say. But I get a bigger chuckle out of banning him for lying, distorting, dissembling and trying to cover for the Sunni Insurgency Press Agency otherwise known as the Associated (with terrorists) Press.
Bryan on January 22, 2007 at 8:12 PM
I dont mind drifter being here. We have to have a veiwpoint that isnt rooted in logic or reason to show that DUers and KOSers of the world that the mental ward isnt the only place for their veiwpoints.
William Amos on January 22, 2007 at 8:13 PM
I mind it when someone uses our bandwidth to call me or anyone else associated with Hot Air a liar, which Drifter has done, and I mind it when someone accuses me of glossing over the problems in Iraq, as Drifter has done.
I can tolerate lots of obnoxious and silly behavior, but I won’t tolerate that kind of nonsense. Life’s too short.
Bryan on January 22, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Do you suppose this was discussed at the successor to their secret Townhouse “unified messaging” forum? Isn’t it funny that traditional “group think” gets a nice name like “unified messaging”?
Please get this right: journalism is not a “profession”. There are real professionals - doctors, engineers, lawyers, accountants, actuaries - and there are people who started calling themselves professionals in the 1970s and 80s - journalists. Journalists have no Hippocratic oath, no Bar exam, no pledge to the Supreme Court, etc. There are qualified for nothing yet speak authoritatively on everything.
I have known exactly one journalist for whom this is not the case - but he is long dead and he also would never have given himself the title of professional - he actually knew what words mean. How often do you see journalists use the word “gender” (linguistic) when they mean “sex” (biological)? Or “decimate” (reduce something by one tenth) when the mean “devastate” (reduce something altogether)? We have journalists who don’t actually know what words mean (or deliberately use deceptive language - e.g. “insurgent” for a foreign terrorist) trying to tell us what to think. This imprecise, deceptive, agenda-driven output that people accept would be like forgiving a surgeon who got an appendix confused with a gall bladder. To practise medicine (or law, engineering, accounting, etc.) at the standard they practise journalism would get you in jail.
lazerua on January 22, 2007 at 8:24 PM
I agree bryan was just a dig back at Drifter for his insanity.
One think I learned about “Truthers” is that they are obvious to the truth.
William Amos on January 22, 2007 at 8:38 PM
This whole argument is “stupid”. When you have pictures of the so called “destroyed real estate” still standing how can their be any question that the AP story was wrong. There are a lot of “nuts” out there that won’t accept reality.
duff65 on January 22, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Gregracedisprohackenous?
Or dumbass.
Hoodlumman on January 22, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Allah, I think you need to start collecting royalties…….
And as for the THeDRiFTeR, well as someone whom he had taken a personal attack on, and lost, I will miss his diatribe…… It gave me an insight into a place where I only wished to visit from a distance, the mind of a liberal.
Good call Bryan…
PinkyBigglesworth on January 22, 2007 at 9:52 PM
Great…
The problem with banning Drifter, Honora, Jahahera (or whatever), Shackler, et. al. is that we need to see their foolish viewpoints. They give us the insight of the lefts thinking. Even the lying part, it is something that conservatives have a hard time understanding. Lying to make a point, twisting the truth, only using a small part of a statement to make a broader statement, these all all tactics that are fairly foreign to most of the posters here. Kind of like studying a zoo animal to understand their behavior.
right2bright on January 22, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Well, I guess this time it really is goodbye, DRiFTeR (unlike the last time when you claimed you were done commenting here - obviously you weren’t telling the truth then either).
Rick on January 23, 2007 at 12:01 AM
I find the opposing points of view, even the vociferous ones, as helpful, for they keep a forum from being in total agreement, like a cult, and allow all viewers to think, rather than go unchallenged, and they allow those who have a view point in alignment with the main web forum site to see what the arguments and line of thought are of their opponents.
Of course we can have a similar experience visiting sites which favor the leftist-liberal-fifth column view point, and some of us do so, but often we might be screened there, or overwhelmed with personal attacks. I have found leftist-liberal-fifth columnists to be among the most vile, disrespectful, foul mouthed, hate filled, disgraceful, selfish, arrogant, vindictive, and venomous people on planet earth. They engage in the most salacious “speech,” the most sick, scatological verbiage, and even resort to talk about killing, dismembering, assassinating, and butchering those they disagree with.
The likes of Stark openly stating on television “Hannity sucks ass” is an excellent example.
“Hannity sucks ass?” Does anyone else find that to be a disgusting, offensive, repulsive image? Yet these people show their lack of decency, and their lack of respect for others, and their lack of etiquette by their habitual displays of arrogance and offensiveness, then turn around and paint themselves as caring, loving, and conscientious.
They behave like rabid animals, spewing venom like the girl from “The Exorcist” spewed her green pea soup, they show a total lack of respect and decency, then they paint themselves as holding the moral high ground.
It is absurd!
William
William2006 on January 23, 2007 at 12:12 AM
There’s a blog called HOTAiR
Joined by assumed French debonaire
Served us his liberal litany
Mostly politely from Brittany
American-born and bred
Of his country he wanted to be ahead
No matter how hard he tried
His elitism he never could hide
French arrogance a hold of him got
Politeness he reconsidered for naught
Hot air became his reservoir
Until we say forever au revoir
Entelechy on January 23, 2007 at 1:54 AM
Bub-bye, Drifter.
NOT sorry to see ya go.
georgej on January 23, 2007 at 2:10 AM
I couldn’t agree with you more. People who will miss drifter’s viewpoints are going to make me gag, c’mon. It is not right for his insults to be allowed to go on and on and on. What you want here to keep this is intelligent debate. Drifter was fAR from that. I also do not look for people to agree with me but insulting, lying is out of line.
Highrise on January 23, 2007 at 2:40 AM
It’s about time you got rid of that pathetic, delusional, uneducated moron. A few others should follow him into Oblivion…..DU, Kos, etc
I told all of you that the Associate Press lies routinely, and doesn’t do a very good job of it: Sloppy, lazy, cowardly liars; bitter partisan hacks who can’t stop wanking long enough to even get in the same roon as The Truth–any truth
At least by now you’re Older & Wiser, Allah. The Assorted Peanuts never will be
Janos Hunyadi on January 23, 2007 at 2:50 AM
Entelechy, poet roman-nemet, Voltam tudatlan -ból tehetségetek -on rímel. Önnek van egy valóságos de hiábavaló tehetség
Janos Hunyadi on January 23, 2007 at 2:54 AM
I think that drifter is among the Kool Aid Crowd.
No matter what the reality is he seem to always find a way not to see it.
robo on January 23, 2007 at 8:02 AM
I have this odd feeling we’re going to be getting a lot mileage out of making fun of that video … BOOSH!
One Angry Christian on January 23, 2007 at 9:33 AM
I agree that TD has “drifted” over the line, but I believe right2bright has made a good point. I don’t post here much (or anywhere else for that matter), but this is a major source of news and commentary for me. Thank you Allahpundit and Bryan for your hard work - but the moonbats can be instructive - “Keep your enemies close so you can keep an eye on them.”
Coastian on January 23, 2007 at 9:54 AM
If I want to hear moonbats get crushed in debate I’ll listen to Michael Medved. No one wants an echo chamber, I just prefer intellectually honest liberals. Honora is growing on me. People like drifter and shackler just get in the way without adding anything of value to the debate. So long TD. We got your drift.
Buck Turgidson on January 23, 2007 at 11:39 AM
I say we all claim drifter had a night of passion with a donkey. By his logic, it did happen. After all drifter, you do exist right????????
ritethinker on January 23, 2007 at 5:07 PM