Video: Moderate Muslims debate radical Muslims at Trinity College
posted at 7:49 pm on January 18, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I can’t decide who’s more ridiculous: the dopey college kids having themselves a postmodern larf at this jihadist filthbag telling them he wants to drink their blood or the filthbag himself — whom, I trust, you recognize — for demonstrating he’s a badass O.G. jihadi by showing up to a veddy civilized debate at Oscar Wilde’s alma mater.
The clip’s short so you’re advised to read the accompanying article, too. Takeaway: “Qadir is trying to get mosque leaders, many still practicing the tribal traditions of Pakistan, to communicate with the younger generation. But he says it is an uphill battle when radicals like Choudary dominate the debate, getting their faces — and their message — out in the public.”
On a not-at-all-related note, Islamic “community leaders” in the U.S. are complaining about “24″ portraying terrorists as — wait for it — Muslims.
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the guy at the end at least said it best
wonder how long til he’s sued by Brooks for racism
Defector01 on January 18, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Maybe they want to join the “Axis” of very freindly male dictators.
William Amos on January 18, 2007 at 8:09 PM
Obviously no fan of John Lennon
Pam on January 18, 2007 at 8:22 PM
The radical was citing the life of Muhammad, while the moderate was using social reasoning without any Islamic based source to use against the radical. Because the moderate knows the radical can source more to support his view in Islamic texts.
And the moderate Qadir wants people practicing the old traditions of Pakistan to talk with the kids. About what? How they kill women who come forward with a claim of rape, that they could not get 4 other men to affirm? Or how they marry 9 year old little girls? Or how THEY ALSO wish to sink Israel into the sea? Or how they were killing off India’s Hindu population, until the British separated them into Pakistan? Yea there’s plenty of stuff they can teach kids.
I just thank God I learned about something better as a kid, Jesus.
IndependentConserv on January 18, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Unfortunately, the great weight of Sunni and Shia jurisprudence is not on the side of the moderates. They fight an incredibly uphill battle, and they’re in the great minority.
PRCalDude on January 18, 2007 at 8:23 PM
I’m always happy when moderate Muslims step up. Wish we saw more of this.
frankj on January 18, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Yes, it’s called Islam.
RedWinged Blackbird on January 18, 2007 at 8:29 PM
The reporter, who sounds like Christine Amanpour, states:
No it’s not.
It’s a mental disease, not an idea!
Kini on January 18, 2007 at 8:31 PM
I have a question that might sound like I’m trying to be funny, but I am serious…
I’ve never been to Ireland before…do they hold their arms in a different way over there than we do in America to ask questions? It seemed that way.
asc85 on January 18, 2007 at 8:33 PM
Radical Islam publicly marginalized by Muslims. This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for, BRAVO! Now its CAIR’s turn in front of the camera.
Theworldisnotenough on January 18, 2007 at 8:38 PM
I think they were ordering another pint of Stout.
RedWinged Blackbird on January 18, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Omar Brooks, excrement wrapped in skin.
More of this, until MSM can’t hold back the water of truth behind the dam and has to admit that it’s simply been bootlicking the ROP.
Thanks to the blogosphere, the truth will out. Virally even.
MSM, you’re useless, and dangerous. I avoid your product and actively seek ways to deny you revenue. And I used to be liberal.
shaken on January 18, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Very good movie
Mortis on January 18, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Outrage!
Now someone out there will commit an act of violence against an innocent Irishman because they can’t distinguish fact from… oh, hell, we Irish are drunks, aren’t we?
mikeyboss on January 18, 2007 at 9:07 PM
It may be happening. CNN.com has been running stories about the UK Mosque documentary. They’ll never admit to “bootlicking the ROP,” but it looks like they’re finally beginning to wake up. Let’s hope that dam breaks pretty damn soon.
RedWinged Blackbird on January 18, 2007 at 9:10 PM
If I told you my last name, you’d know just how psychic you are.
Regards,
“Fitz”
RedWinged Blackbird on January 18, 2007 at 9:17 PM
Fitz,
I figured … :)
mikeyboss on January 18, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Correction:
The truth is that Islam IS the ideology of a crackpot religious cult that was founded nearly 1400 years ago by a child molesting pedophile whose only noteworthy “achievements” in life were accomplished through acts of warfare and murder fueled by an unending stream of fantastic lies and lunatic fantasies.
Anyone who believes in ANY kind/brand of Islam (moderate or radical) deserves to be treated by the public at large with the same level of wariness as a convicted (and dangerous) criminal. IMHO, zero tolerance of Islam is the only policy that makes sense for western civilization. We shouldn’t be hosting debates on the matter AT ALL.
CyberCipher on January 18, 2007 at 9:36 PM
Isn’t this exactly what many of us have begged for? A moderate muslim debating (taking down) a radical muslim?
Granted it was only a few seconds, but we should applaud this, and Digg this, and forward this to everyone.
I certainly hope there is much more like this. It’s sure better than any one of us trying to tell an islamofascist he has a mental disorder.
THIS CAME FROM ANOTHER MUSLIM FOLKS.
FINALLY, but not enough yet…lets fan this fire.
shooter on January 18, 2007 at 9:37 PM
Agreed! Every journey leads with a first step.
Only on this one, I am keeping my poweder dry!
I’ll have another Ale, please…..
PinkyBigglesworth on January 18, 2007 at 10:15 PM
About F****ing time!!!
Rick on January 19, 2007 at 12:11 AM
Hold it. This is CNN. You know the it will be a puff piece on Saturday. Is this their answer to “Obsession”.
I have no interest in what the “moderate” has to say. It is the rants of the “radical” that will be most revealing.
Don’t expect much CNN research into the Koran supporting either side. This will be more like a “Springer Show” smack down.
The interviews will be mostly of the “moderates”. Equal time might reveal that THERE IS A PROBLEM. All we will come away with is that “the moderates” have an “uphill” battle, but that message will be delivered with a bland mater of fact style that will somehow make it all seem like a curiosity. Oh and “it’s the policies”, always the “policies”.
Why are they in England exactly?
Agrippa2k on January 19, 2007 at 1:02 AM
Calling it a “mental disease” implies it’s not their fault, it’s some random malady. This is not an accurate dipicton. This is evil, in its purest sense. And the left doesn’t want this portrayed as evil, because that implies a religious or moral reference, which they cannot tolerate…and islamists are their friends (friend of their enemies, US).
stonemeister on January 19, 2007 at 1:49 AM
Well , to the credit of CNN Headline News, they let Glenn Beck do a show called “Exposed” that was Obssession-like.
VinceP1974 on January 19, 2007 at 2:31 AM
I’m betting that that young Muslim moderate is already marked for death by the pals of Omar Brooks.
georgej on January 19, 2007 at 2:44 AM
Omar has it coming… I can’t wait until someone arranges his personal “one-on-one” meeting with Allah.
x95b10 on January 19, 2007 at 3:31 AM
Let’s be honest. Who among us would have ever associated muslims with terrorism, were it not for the way they are sometimes portrayed on 24? No one, that’s who.
Kevin M on January 19, 2007 at 8:09 AM
Very likely, in Omar’s way of thinking if you can’t kill a “real” caliphate……….
TwinkietheKid on January 19, 2007 at 8:27 AM
I’ve gotta disagree - people should be laughing at Omar “Fat Trevor” Brooks. He’s going to be a jihadist scumbag either way, but at least laughing in his face will annoy him.
uptight on January 19, 2007 at 8:46 AM
I agree, I think the most powerful thing you can do to someone like this is laugh them out of the room. Clearly their ideology and thought process is so skewed trying to debate them with reason and common sense is an act of futility. No one is going to be able to change their minds, but when a whole roomful of people laughs at them, ridicules their backward thinking and outrageous violent beliefs it must affect them somewhat. They take this more seriously than anything else in the world; they are willing to die for this cause. It must bother them when a roomful of people thinks their beliefs are so crazy they warrant nothing but laughter.
JaHerer22 on January 19, 2007 at 9:38 AM
Why do they all pick their gourdy neck beards when they have a conversation….ewww…the hell is up with that?
It’s like talking to someone picking their nose or scratching their sack while speaking to you, anything that comes out of their mouth is instantly dismissed because they have proven themselves to be clueless morons.
Alden Pyle on January 19, 2007 at 9:45 AM
Moderate vs radical means Fatah vs Hamas.
But it is good to see the non psychotic jihadi muslims debating the suici … HOMicidal wackos.
Tony737 on January 19, 2007 at 10:29 AM
The problem is fundamentalist using the Koran to enforce their prejudice AND they happen to be in power. Leviticus (Bible) is filled with similar violent acts for a variety of “crimes” we’d consider tame today and that don’t vary far from the Koran–it’s just that modern Christians and Jews don’t follow the letter of the writings and the ones who would are thankfully not in power and generally ostracized.
Faith1 on January 19, 2007 at 11:15 AM
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. This brand of thought is similar to the criminal/ street gang mentality. Common factors in thought of the criminal and the extremist:
1. It’s never my fault. I’m always the victim. “They” are out to get me/screwed me over.
2. You (kuffar/crime victim) deserve what you get.
3. If I get what I want (victimizing you) it’s god’s will.
4. Once it’s mine, it’s always mine.
5. Once in, always in. Death is the only way out.
6. Pass it on to the next generation (at least in New Mexico)
7. Being punished/killed for the “cause” is a status thing.
8. Killing/victimizing is a status thing.
9. If you’re not strong enough to keep me from victimizing you, that’s your problem.
10. If you’re kind, that’s a weakness to be exploited.
JaHerer22–
The only thing laughing at Brooks and his kind will do is p*ss them off and insure that they make a mental note to personally look you up (when the “revolution” comes) and take your head.
Catseye on January 19, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Anyone who believes in ANY kind/brand of Islam (moderate or radical) deserves to be treated by the public at large with the same level of wariness as a convicted (and dangerous) criminal.
Hmmm, I could say the same thing about anyone that believes in Darwinism and global warming.
docdave on January 19, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Why is it an “uphill battle” for the moderate Muslim who claims he wants Muslims with Pakistani tribal traditions (like murdering women who have sex out of wedlock) to speak to kids and prevent them from wanting to blow something up? Because the radicals have more proof for their side in respected Islamic texts. Like chronicles of Muhammad’s life and words and the portions of the Koran that supersede claims of peace for infidels.
Some claim Muhammad was nice to some non-Muslims later in his life, but they forget to mention those people were paying a special tax and living as 2nd class citizens in order to bribe and appease Muhammad.
What would be gained to do away with the radicals and spread the message of tribal Pakistani Muslims that also have traditions that conflict with Western society? Not much, either way you’re stuck with a cult that has the goal of making you 2nd class or a corpse, living under Sharia law.
They’re playing good cop bad cop and hoping we fall for it!
IndependentConserv on January 19, 2007 at 11:53 AM
CyberCipher said:
While I agree that Islam is totally incompatible with the West, I don’t see that an actual zero tolerance policy would work. It would result in police searching for secret Muslims and locking them up for owning a Koran. It would result in Muslims being able to play the role of the victim and generations from now it would cause more people to get into Islam instead of turning away from it. The whole thing would be twisted in history, like the true reason the Crusades began. It would leave America doing what we accuse enemies of Christianity of doing, while only causing the most violent of Muslims to better conceal their true intentions. Banning a faith has failed throughout history. Which is why even Israel does not “ban” Muslims.
What America needs to do is exactly what congressman Virgil Goode recommends. Lock down immigration from non-Westernized nations and make it much harder for Muslims to continually mass immigrate into the USA. Also US media and politicians need to do like Goode and stop acting like Islam is a good thing.
Time to tell The Truth About Muhammad. I highly recommend that book and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades.
IndependentConserv on January 19, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Very true. They just see those that laugh at them as lost infidels that must be taken down. This is deeply ingrained in them. I seriously doubt that any of the current islamists can be converted to sanity. This will more likely be of benefit to those that they are trying to recruit - I hope they see this and realize how stupid these morons really are.
Rick on January 19, 2007 at 1:01 PM
What a load of garbage! I wouldn’t recommend trying to play mindgames with Satan — and make no mistake, that is PRECISELY who we are dealing with here. The goal is not to humiliate Satan, or make him feel bad about himself — because for starters, in all liklihood, it will be impossible for us to do so. The goal here is to defeat and disarm Satan so that he can no longer do harm to others — by whatever means necessary. An ideology like Islam that preaches hate, murder, terrorism — and that institutionalizes abuse of its adherents (viz. women) as well as its enemies, MUST be dealt with measures that seem EXTREME when compared to the usual society norms of our western civilization. Unfortunately, there are a very large number of people in our society (just like JaHerer22), who are so deeply imersed in their political correctness that they are going to wake up dead one of these fine mornings. I want to be there when God asks them “What were you doing in the moments before the Jihadists killed you?”, and JaHerer22 has to answer “Well, I was jerking-off, as usual.”
CyberCipher on January 20, 2007 at 2:16 PM