Video: Boxer gets personal with Condi at Senate hearing; Update: “Great leap backward for feminism,” says Snow

posted at 9:36 am on January 12, 2007 by Allahpundit

I don’t recall the lack of fruit from Janet Reno’s womb figuring heavily into scrutiny of Waco or l’affaire Elian, but that was a different time. A time of magic and wonder, when America knew peace while Osama studied flight schedules.

Nice to see this particular corollary to the chickenhawk argument for once being used against someone other than Bush and his daughters, though. I wonder, what implications might it have for those childless supporters of the war in Afghanistan among us, such as Purple Heart awardee Col. Glenn Ellison “Duke” Ellers? The mind reels.

Note Condi’s reaction. Thanks to Newsbusters for the catch.


Update: The New York Post goes nuclear on Boxer.

Update: CNN has video lowlights of her exchanges with various senators.

Update: The Snowman’s feeling frosty. And exaggerating considerably.

“I don’t know if she was intentionally that tacky, but I do think it’s outrageous. Here you got a professional woman, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Barbara Boxer is sort of throwing little jabs because Condi doesn’t have children, as if that means that she doesn’t understand the concerns of parents. Great leap backward for feminism,” Snow told FOX News Talk’s Brian and The Judge.

Update (Ian): An example of “Olbypocrisy.”

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No, he’s equating what Boxer said on the senate floor with what might hypothetically be said by a republican on the senate floor.

Quit pretending you don’t get the difference.

thirteen28 on January 12, 2007 at 1:03 PM

No he’s equating what Boxer said to

Let’s let Senator Bennett say the exact same things that people at DU say–then we can all be even. You’ll defend him, right?

Boxer: comments re Condi
Bennett: comments a la DU

Quite a stretch my equinesque friend. Gotta run. (This horse–nothing personal–is beyond dead)

honora on January 12, 2007 at 1:09 PM

Fixed it for ya.

thirteen28 on January 12, 2007 at 1:02 PM

You got me good, you bastard. You really proved me wrong with facts and evidence.

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:10 PM

honora

Let me redress my comment(s). I don’t approve of anyone bringing personal attacks into an argument, conversation, discussion, etc. Politicians, any extreme left or right wing, seem to have less scruples about invoking this. I just happen to believe that lefties are more prone to doing it than righties. I don’t appreciate it when it’s done.

Boxer’s comment was out of line. And if a Repub made a similar comment, I’d be here saying the same thing. Wrong place and time. No scruples!

USN6872 on January 12, 2007 at 1:11 PM

You guys are really pulling an Al Sharpton on this one and I thought there was nothing you hated more. Guess not…

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:11 PM

Boxer: comments re Condi
Bennett: comments a la DU

Quite a stretch my equinesque friend. Gotta run. (This horse–nothing personal–is beyond dead)

honora on January 12, 2007 at 1:09 PM

You are intentionally not getting it. You know what he means.

thirteen28 on January 12, 2007 at 1:12 PM

You guys are really pulling an Al Sharpton on this one and I thought there was nothing you hated more. Guess not…

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:11 PM

We’ll remember this the next time a Republican on the house or senate floor says something you guys consider out of line.

thirteen28 on January 12, 2007 at 1:14 PM

Ah, JaHerer22–you are saying that Boxer didn’t insult Rice? That maybe, just maybe, Rice thought it was a compliment or something?

All right, explain to me what Boxer meant, then, if it wasn’t an insult? What possible purpose did Boxer have in saying that sentance?

And the New York Post just misread Boxer? Here’s the link.

Vanceone on January 12, 2007 at 1:18 PM

And now Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii is attacking Rice for her race and gender.

I’m sure it’s nothing though. After all, if a Republican said these same things, JaHerer and honora would defend them as vigorously as they have already defended Boxer, and will certainly do for Abercrombie.

thirteen28 on January 12, 2007 at 1:22 PM

I don’t think it was a compliment or an insult, I think it was a statement of fact:

My kids are too old to serve in Iraq, you don’t have any kids, therefore neither one of us will sacrifice anything for the war.

Where is the insult in that? Is she taunting Rice for not having kids? Please tell me how this is an attack.

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:25 PM

OT: Media yawns as Bush does something regarding some Marine who died. This is hidden under the Politics page on CNN.

BohicaTwentyTwo on January 12, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Well, Bohica, CNN’s got to have priorities – like updating us about the future of some soccer guy and the touching story of a dead shark.

Slublog on January 12, 2007 at 1:29 PM

You don’t get it? She’s questioning Rice about whether or not the U.S. should be escalating the conflict in Iraq and thinks it’s appropriate to bring up the fact that Rice doesn’t have children, and you can’t see how insulting and dumb that is?

Sensible Mom on January 12, 2007 at 1:33 PM

Here’s conspiracy theory for you since those seem to be popular lately:

Rice accidentally gets caught on mic expressing how much she loves Murdoch’s Fox News; the next day Murdoch’s NY Post writes an editorial slamming Boxer for some fabricated assault on Rice.

Hmmm…put that in your mouth and chew it for awhile.

Do a Google news search for Rice and Boxer and the only results are the NY Post editorial and blogs and sites referencing it. Seems like of all the people watching those hearings the Post was the only one who caught this ‘attack.’

Still chewing? Tastes good doesn’t it…

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:33 PM

JaHerer22, did you even read the link? As the NY Daily Post stated, Boxer is implying that Rice is not qualified to make decisions about the war because she (Rice) does not have children. I.E. only people with children are qualified to make a decision about war. Never mind Dr. Rice’s incredible resume–no, because she’s not had a kid to care for, she cannot make the “correct decision.”

Vanceone on January 12, 2007 at 1:33 PM

If Rice had been wearing this button, Pelosi would welcome her into the “family” and give her a pass on whatever policy she promoted.

NTWR on January 12, 2007 at 1:37 PM

Actually Boxer implied that only those individuals with children who are of the correct age to serve in the military could make decisions about the war which, if Boxer followed her ridiculous point to its conclusion, would have excluded Boxer as well since she admitted her children are too old.

Sensible Mom on January 12, 2007 at 1:37 PM

Little did the feminists know that one of their own would put a glass ceiling over all childless women who aspire to be Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense or President since they can’t make decisions about war. Ain’t that special.

…In a surprising turn of events Barbara Boxer questioned Michelle Wie after her many unsuccessful attempts to play well at PGA tournaments asking,

“Who pays the price? I’m not going to pay a personal price,” Boxer said. “I don’t have a wanker”

Then, to Wei: “You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, since you don’t have a wanker, either.”

She then urged Wie not to try to compete with men since she isn’t one and doesn’t know anything about being one.

Sensible Mom on January 12, 2007 at 1:40 PM

All Boxer said was neither her nor Rice would experience any sacrifice; the Post just implies that she meant only people with children are qualified to make a decision about war. This is absurd because if it was true she would be saying she too is unqualified to make war decisions because she prefaced the statment by saying that her children are not of fighting age and thus she wouldn’t meet her own criteria.

Use some common sense.

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Message to Boxer:

Perhaps the reason why Condi has no children is:

a) She practices safe sex rather than going through the terrible experience of an abortion, and that she believes that having an abortion IS NOT A RED(SOCIALIST OR OTHER)BADGE OF COURAGE.

OR

b) She is PARTICULAR whom she sleeps with.

BTW-Boxer, you are married and have kids. ISN’T THAT A VIOLATION OF ONE OF THE MAIN RULES OF THE FEMINIST BOWEL MOVEMENT????

Just wondering….

The False Dervish on January 12, 2007 at 1:45 PM

All Boxer said was neither her nor Rice would experience any sacrifice; the Post just implies that she meant only people with children are qualified to make a decision about war. This is absurd because if it was true she would be saying she too is unqualified to make war decisions because she prefaced the statment by saying that her children are not of fighting age and thus she wouldn’t meet her own criteria.

Use some common sense.

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Then why bring it up at all? If the issue being debated is the priority, then Rice’s status as being childless or having no family to “sacrifice” has absolutely nothing to do with it. And if it does, then Boxer herself needs to STFU after her own admission.

thirteen28 on January 12, 2007 at 1:46 PM

Now don’t play dumb. If you follow Boxer’s line of reasoning it is obvious that she implied that Rice’s lack of children and therefore potential sacrifice precluded her from making a decision about escalating the war. It is the same tired chickenhawk argument that the left always uses and Boxer took it to the point of sillliness. She doesn’t have common sense.

Sensible Mom on January 12, 2007 at 1:49 PM

STOP THE POPE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES!
by the way, is Boxer Catholic?

Ropera on January 12, 2007 at 1:50 PM

honora and JaMann, you are both an insult to intelligent women, the world over. Anything beyond your first posts, above, has been futile.

For defending honora’s intelligence (who was a 13 on the liberal scale) repeatedly on this board, in spite of numerous disagreements, I apologize sincerely.

What Boxer said can’t be defended by anyone, least of all by intelligent women. Mrs. Bush’s remarks are not what honora ‘interprets’ them to be and whatever they were, Ms. Rice is free to run or not to run, regardless of family or not. She can assess her own strenghts, support systems and desires.

Boxer’s comment sets the feminist movement back into the stoneage! And she’s so dumb that she doesn’t even get it.

Barbara Boxer is tacky trash and an insult to all women. Can’t write more about her because I don’t want to be banned, yet.

NOW is the biggest chicken for remaining silent on this and so many other female issues.

JaMann, you made the “media is absent and purposefully ignorant” point with your Google example.

Most telling and a possibility for 2008 – a McCain/Lieberman ticket (from the New York Post)

No such nay-saying, however, was to be heard from two Capitol Hill stalwarts: McCain and Sen. Joe Lieberman, the independent Democrat from Connecticut.

“I applaud the president for rejecting the fatalism of failure and pursuing a new course to achieve success in Iraq,” said Lieberman, who alone in his party genuinely comprehends what a U.S. defeat in Iraq would mean.

Entelechy on January 12, 2007 at 2:05 PM

She doesn’t have common sense.

Correction: She doesn’t have common any sense.

Good Lt on January 12, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Here, I’ll just answer Pelosi’s question, although I’m sure it was rhetorical.

-If, by “the price” Nancy meant dollars, that would be all of us documented US citizens who also pay taxes. We’re the ones who pay “the price.”

-If, by “the price” she meant being maimed, killed, or otherwise physically harmed by fighting in a war for the USA, that would be the volunteer military. All well over the consenting age for sex and abortion. All legally able to vote in our elections, all VOLUNTEER adults who signed up knowing the duties and risks associated with their service. They pay “the price.”

-If, by “the price” she meant the financial, emotional, and physical hardship of not having a spouse, father, mother, daughter, son, sister or brother here in the US to help with family duties, that would be the immediate families of the volunteer military men and women.

-If, by “the price” she meant the emotional hardship of knowing there are brave men and women, extended family and friends, who CHOSE to fight for our country and are being maimed and killed by the enemy while we go about our daily business, that would be all patriotic US citizens and US supporters. We all pay that price.

NTWR on January 12, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Any attempt at comparison between Boxer’s insulting bilge and the thoughts expressed by Laura Bush is totally ridiculous. There is a difference between pointing out the importance of family support in ones occupation and trying to besmerch someones reputation by hinting at their so-called lack of “a right to make decisions” based on their family situation. That is what Boxer is trying to do, hers is an insult. Bush simply expressed her opinion on why she thought Rice wouldn’t run for president. Anyone not seeing the difference does so intentionally……..

ritethinker on January 12, 2007 at 2:18 PM

JaHerer22, did you even read the link? As the NY Daily Post stated, Boxer is implying that Rice is not qualified to make decisions about the war because she (Rice) does not have children. I.E. only people with children are qualified to make a decision about war. Never mind Dr. Rice’s incredible resume–no, because she’s not had a kid to care for, she cannot make the “correct decision.”

Vanceone on January 12, 2007 at 1:33 PM

It seemed like much more than an implication to me. The way I hear it, that’s exactly what she was saying.

Esthier on January 12, 2007 at 2:22 PM

Anyone not seeing the difference does so intentionally……..

ritethinker on January 12, 2007 at 2:18 PM

agreed

Esthier on January 12, 2007 at 2:24 PM

Personally, I don’t think Senator Boxer meant it as a personal insult. I do think that it wasn’t the most well thought out sentence. Of course, I also think that, if Secretary Rice doesn’t want a family/kids, then the level of possible insult was much lower than the rest of us might think. Imagine if someone said, “You can’t talk about food because you’ve never tasted shark fin soup!” While that might be highly desireable for some people, if I personally have no interest in shark fin soup, I’m not going to feel that insulted.

All of which is beside the point, in my opinion.

The real concern for me is why certain politicians seem to think that you can only make policy/war decisions if you or a direct family member is in the military.

First of all, having a family member in the military does not automatically make you a military/strategic genius. It means your family member has knowledge of the military and strategy, but it simply means that you have a family member with this knowledge. My cousin is a large animal vet, but I sure as hell shouldn’t be making policy decisions on livestock.

Secondly, why is it only a sacrifice if your husband or son is going to be in harms way? While I will admit that it is a much greater sacrifice than what I have had to make, I also have close friends (my brothers best friend from the 2nd grade onward, boys from my AFJROTC class in high school) that are serving in the military – and I worry about them. I’ve also become penpals with a few soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan through the AnySoldier.com charity – and I worry about them. Does this mean that I am qualified to make military/internation diplomacy policy decisions? NO!!!

So, the next question is, what does qualify someone to be making those decisions?

Perhaps the daily intelligence briefings about what is going on all over the world so that you have the ‘big picture’ view….maybe it’s years of experience….maybe it’s just being one of the smartest people (and classiest – o.k…that doesn’t matter, but I wanted to add it) in politics today.

Side Note: Did the president have any sons/grandsons in battle when he sent all those men in to die on Normandy beaches?

JadeNYU on January 12, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Wow, this thread keeps gettin’ longer (and *better* thanks to Entel and NTWR) and I wasn’t gonna bother joining in since you guys have done such a good job of defending Dr. Rice, but nobody made the point I was thinkin’ about, so here goes: “Paying the price”? Who will “pay the price” if we DON’T fight the global jihad??? Answer: My daughter. Selfish of me to think of my own child, I know, but she’s the one who will be forced to wear a burqa if we lose this war. Her whole generation may be forced to moon the sky five times a day and worship the false god and his false prophet. That won’t happen in my lifetime, but I will live long enough to see America as the front lines in the global jihad if we let these dhimmicrats lead us down the path of surrender.

Who pays the price? Our children. ALL of our children. Not just the adult children who choose to join the military. ALL American (and all non islamic) children will live a life we never dreamed of, back in the 7th century. OR, we can let our heroes fight the global jihad on the other side of the planet, let them win, and our children will live a life we never dreamed of, in the 21st century and all that it has in store for them: Space travel, medical advancements, PEACE, etc.

Fight the jihad THERE, or fight the jihad HERE. There is no 3rd choice.

Tony737 on January 12, 2007 at 2:41 PM

FDR did have a relative at Normandy. General Theodore Roosevelt Jr. hit the beaches with his men at Utah Beach on D-Day. He was played by Henry Fonda in the movie “The Longest Day”.

The “chicken hawk” argument is a very dangerous one that those on the left have not fully thought out as, if you take the argument to its logical conclusion, then the only individuals who can hold higher office or vote for those holding higher office are those who have served in the military. That’s the danger in going with emotion and feelings rather than logical reasoning.

As for the wider issue of the left using the chicken hawk argument and otherwise shouting down dissent to its point of view, you have to remember that so much of the new left has been influenced by the thought of Herbert Marcuse–most notably his essay “Repressive Tolerance” which all conservatives should read as that is the playbook of Kos, the DU, Dean, and others on the far left. Once you’ve read that essay, then the actions of Boxer, Kos, and the others on the extreme left all fall into place.

Matt Helm on January 12, 2007 at 2:42 PM

Fight the jihad THERE, or fight the jihad HERE. There is no 3rd choice.

Tony737 on January 12, 2007 at 2:41 PM

The 3rd choice for the left and the French (but I repeat myself) is pre-emptive surrender.

thirteen28 on January 12, 2007 at 2:44 PM

Matt Helm – Thanks for the quick history lesson. :) I blame the fact I didn’t know that on my public schooling.

Of course, I think war was different back then in that EVERYONE had a father/brother/close friend/fiance/husband “over there”. I also doubt that the press/other pols would have made an issue of FDRs ability to make war decisions based on whether or not he had family in the fight.

I agree that the Chickenhawk argument is very dangerous. Unless they are truly advocating for a Roman-style citizenship requirement (i.e. Only men that have served in the military can be citizens with voting rights) they should lay off that argument.

JadeNYU on January 12, 2007 at 2:53 PM

By the way, Diane Sawyer called Boxer “Congresswoman Boxer.”

Alex K on January 12, 2007 at 3:09 PM

honora – with all due respect – I do not see the connection.

iam7545 on January 12, 2007 at 3:14 PM

By the way, Diane Sawyer called Boxer “Congresswoman Boxer.”

Alex K on January 12, 2007 at 3:09 PM

…and that w/b an overstatement, would we not live in California, an otherwise glorious piece of Terra.

Entelechy on January 12, 2007 at 3:39 PM

Left the ‘Golden’ state about 40 years ago…..miss it…………NOT!.

Boxer honey…………BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I’ll take good ol Texas ‘You talking to me?’ any day over the Gagifornia’s ‘We know what’s best for you’ crowd. Saw it off, drop it in the ocean, let em scream.

Limerick on January 12, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Limerick-No! Not with Entelechy and me over here! There are still good places in California, just saw off the Peninsulas of the Bayarrhea and gouge out Hollywierd and Berzerkly. It’s too nice of a state to surrender to the leftists and illegals.

Oh, btw, I meant Boxer, not Pelosi in my other post. I tend to interchange the two…

NTWR on January 12, 2007 at 3:47 PM

Imagine the attacks if Condi ran for President

Opinionnation on January 12, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Yes, Opinionnation – it would go something like this:

Boxer/Pelosi/H. Clinton to Ms. Rice “We are mothers and you’re not”

Ms. Rice to them – nah, I can’t, I’d get banned…

NTWR, at least Ms. Pelosi looks clean.

Entelechy on January 12, 2007 at 4:16 PM

The problem with apologists, like honora, is they do not have an understanding of the nuances of language or they pretend not to. Laura is not an enemy or in confrontation with Condi. Boxer, by history and her demeanor, is an enemy and very confrontational with Condi. In context it was an attack. Even you, honora, should be able to recognize something so obvious.

I had a neighbor, as a name of endearment she called her husband Sparky. I find it amusing that when you want to attack someone, you often begin with the words, “listen sparky”. I think even you would understand that two people using the same words can mean something totally different. It is called discernment, a skill that you are obviously lacking in.

right2bright on January 12, 2007 at 4:27 PM

Isn’t it horrible that a fine woman like Dr. Rice would be so insulted and put down sheerly along partisan political lines?
If Dr. Condi were a Democrat Secretary of State serving under a Dhimmicrat President, Boxer (and honora) would be praising her to the skies…
the way they do Hillary, who they say gave Chelsea over to state workers to take care of because she was too busy with the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas.

Condi lives the life of choices that all we modern women do–we really can’t have it all.
Dr. Rice chose to give her life to her career, the cause of Education and her country, rather than a husband and children.
I wouild love to see her get married, because it’s sad for anyone to go through life alone, but that being said, she is fabulous as a “singleton” as well.
One of the few things that Michael Savage says that I love is that if Barbara Boxer weren’t a Senator, she’d be a brassiere saleswoman!

Jen the Neocon on January 12, 2007 at 4:35 PM

Hmmm… Seems to be a rhetorical movement afoot to imply that one cannot be an effective leader unless one has been a mother. First there was Hillary and her comments in various interviews and in her stupid Village book about her experiences as a mother and how that has helped shape her attitudes and leadership style. Then Pelosi with her kiddie-filled photo-op the day she took the gavel (holding a baby at the House podium and “giving the gavel to America’s children”), plus all her subsequent rhetoric about mothers making better leaders. And now Boxer implying that a childless woman is somehow inferior as Sec. of State.

As a mother myself, I happen to think that motherhood is indeed a higher calling and a strengthening life experience. But I don’t see what it has to do with one’s ability to lead politically. In fact, being a good mother would in my opinion make a woman a less effective political leader. I would always put my children first, before government business–I would miss Congressional votes without hesitation if my children needed me; I would never put myself in danger by traveling to the Middle East; I would hesitate to work excessively long hours, etc. because I’d be thinking about my children. Of course, my kids are young, not grown and gone like Hillary’s, Nancy’s, and Barbara’s. But I’d still put them first and always will.

I think this is all paving the way for Hillary. Unfortunately for Hillary, though, she falls far short of what most of us consider the motherly type she wants us to perceive her to be. I’d bet a whole bunch of money that nannies did most of the raising of Chelsea. Hillary does NOT strike me as the type to put her child first. She therefore has little credibility on the mom-o-meter as far as I’m concerned.

aero on January 12, 2007 at 4:36 PM

The problem with apologists, like honora, is they do not have an understanding of the nuances of language or they pretend not to.

He really tied his bad self in knots on this thread. It was quite amusing, actually.

Spiny Norman on January 12, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Spiny Norman on January 12, 2007 at 4:46 PM

It’s a she, and she disappears after being taken apart. Usually with a, “I am bored with this argument” type statement, or a “you are not worth commenting to”. The Hot Air gals usually dispense with her quickly. And when in error, never an apology, only excuses then…fades into the internet darkness.

right2bright on January 12, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Boxer is a horse’s ass. Anyone who defends her comment or is dismissive of it isn’t any better.

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GT on January 12, 2007 at 5:17 PM

-If, by “the price” she meant the emotional hardship of knowing there are brave men and women, extended family and friends, who CHOSE to fight for our country and are being maimed and killed by the enemy while we go about our daily business, that would be all patriotic US citizens and US supporters. We all pay that price.

NTWR on January 12, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Right on, NTWR!

mikeyboss on January 12, 2007 at 5:20 PM

“Dr Rice is a single, childless black woman and she is the most powerful woman in the world,”

…by her ideological opposite from Australia.

The ‘motherhood’ theme has definitely been part of the leftie talking points for a few weeks now. Also, they wish to redefine who’s “the most powerful woman in the world”. The media, ever-helpful and aiding…

Ms. Merkel is also childless – should she have no say…?

Entelechy on January 12, 2007 at 5:21 PM

I happen to applaud Dr. Rice’s decision not to have children out of wedlock.

Liberals only love out-of-wedlock pregnancies. Abort the baby in the name of “choice” or become a government-dependent welfare case.

Boxer believes children should be killed in the womb, not on the battlefield.

What about Doprah? She’s another single, childless black woman.

California needs to send this Boxer to the pound.

doingwhatican on January 12, 2007 at 5:23 PM

Boxer believes children should be killed in the womb, not on the battlefield.

Well said!

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GT on January 12, 2007 at 5:32 PM

I wonder if Boxer would have changed her tune if Rice said, “Of course I won’t, I aborted all my immediate family.”

Oh that is right, she’d be the Democrat candidate for President in ’08….

Tell me I’m wrong….I dare ya!

Tim Burton on January 12, 2007 at 5:54 PM

I’m hoping there may be a silver lining in all these mindless remarks from the Dems (who can keep count?) since they got the congress. The power they now have forces them to at least attempt something positive, but in their hearts they know they can’t since their agenda is wholly negative, and in regard to the war, directly treasonous. I think they are struggling with the fact that as an opposition party they could disguise it with constant whining and complaining, but being pro-active entails exposing what you really want – and in the case of Iraq it’s clearly defeat. I think this is making them a bit desperate and hysterical – not the defeatist stand, but the necessary exposition of it. The silver lining may be that it is becoming uncreasingly impossible for them to hide who they really are. That would be a good thing for people to see. A shameless jab at Condi is the least of what we will be seeing if they expose themselves.

Halley on January 12, 2007 at 5:57 PM

“Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer, an appalling scold….” – from the New York Post article. An absolutely perfect description of Boxhead and the other fem libs in Congress.

What they now need is a “scold’s bridle”.

Scarlett O’Boxer addressed Dr. Rice as if she was “Prissy” on the plantation: “you don’t know nuthin’ ’bout birthin’ no babies”.

Boxer is, and always will be, a racist.

doingwhatican on January 12, 2007 at 6:05 PM

So for lefties like Boxer the truth is not some independent entity but it rather depends on who you are. If you don’t have children and support the war, then you’re wrong. If you do have children and support the war, then you’re wrong but not as much maybe.

Tantor on January 12, 2007 at 6:17 PM

Halley on January 12, 2007 at 5:57 PM
doingwhatican on January 12, 2007 at 6:05 PM

So true, the problem is, the liberals toast the people who say these things. To them this is what they dreamed of. Having a forum to say whatever they want. To us it is disgusting, to them it is joyful…they relish it, this is what they live for.

right2bright on January 12, 2007 at 6:21 PM

Don’t use Scarlett and Gone with the Wind as an example of Racism. It actually was the exact opposite, in the novel and the book they treated them like family, as did virtually all Southern Slave owners (It was the Northern Slave owners who were abusive and racist, the only reason that the Wilmot wanted the territories free was because he didn’t want blacks in them. Also, Kansas Freemen wanted Kansas white therefore they couldn’t have slaves there).

Many a blacks served the CSA honorably when their master fell, they would ask to take his place and serve. Because the South didn’t feel it was their fight, they listed them as bodyguards. Even New Orleans sent volunteer black regiments to war for the CSA, whereas the North forced them into service most the time.

Finally, even De Tocqueville said the South was the most integrated Society he saw in the Americas, it shocked him to see blacks and whites work together, whereas that wouldn’t happen in Philadelphia or even Boston. He also commented that they attended church together.

Tim Burton on January 12, 2007 at 6:27 PM

He’s wrong to say it but many think it, including many of you hypocrites. Condi is widely thought to be a puppet, lap dog, “yes man”, follower, “we where only following orders” kind of gal. Intellegent? yes, very. Independant thinker? No. It happens she’s a woman and the idea of the subservient woman comes to mind. Not fair but that is the way it is folks. You attack Nancy Pelosi and Hillery Clinton in part because they are woman, thinly veiled as partisan politics but you know its also in part because you have misogynistic and prejudicial feelings against a woman in a leadership roll. It is not fair or right. Same thing with Michelle Malkin, people in part dislike her and attack her because of her opinions but because of her SEX and also ethnicity. (BTW great job hosting the factor over the holiday.) I hate that but that is the way it is. I find it ironic or hypocritical many call foul when its fits your politics but do it to Pelosi and Clinton. His comments where out of place and focused on her sex. That is wrong, but BEFORE you cast the first (1000 th) stone look into your heart and tell me how liberal you are and open minded you are about woman and ethniticities as leaders in Gov. OK with your white daughter dating a black man or vise a versa. STOP! It must be a slow news day. THE ATTACK THE Democrats has started. YOU ARE NOT A PATRIOT IF YOU WANT THE DEMOCRATS TO FAIL!

gmcjetpilot on January 12, 2007 at 6:32 PM

I think it’s highly ironic that Senator Boxer claims that she won’t “Pay the Price” for the decisions about the war on terror. Whether she realizes it or not, she was at risk for “Paying the Price” in a very personal way only 5 years ago.

If I remember correctly, Flight 93 was most likely headed for the Capital Building. It’s quite possible that Senator Boxer could have been there at the time. If the passengers had chosen not to act against the terrorists, then that aircraft very well could have killed or injured Senator Boxer personally.

Why is no one asking why a price needs to be paid at all? The reason is quite simple: aggression demands that a price be paid, either by the target of that aggression or the aggressor.

Because we are not the aggressor, we are not the ones who decided that a price must be paid. Therefore, the only choice we have is not whether a price must be paid, but only who will pay that price.

The simple fact is that we will pay some price. There is no avoiding it. We can either sit back and allow our civilian population to pay the entire price—in which case Senator Boxer may also get to pay that price personally—or we can send those who have volunteered to face the risks to confront those aggressors and make the aggressors pay the majority of the price. Furthermore, those who have the training, equipment and support are far more likely to prevail in the face of aggression than civilians like those who died on September 11, 2001.

I have to wonder if Senator Boxer is really willing to pay the price for the Muslim’s aggression personally. Her actions certainly increase the odds that she will indeed pay that price.

EWTHeckman on January 12, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Boxer showed why she represents this state ‘so well’

Defector01 on January 12, 2007 at 6:42 PM

If Dr. Rice had responded by saying she had an aborion, so her child is long dead, Boxer would have bowed down and worshipped her.

SouthernGent on January 12, 2007 at 6:42 PM

^^^^Not saying she has, mind you.

SouthernGent on January 12, 2007 at 6:42 PM

What does she think about gay couples who have no children?

RepJ on January 12, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Honora is right that this is no big deal. It is exactly what the Democrats always do.

In a philosophy or debate class this is known as “argument from authority”, a form of logical fallacy. They have just adapted it:
argument from authority
arugment from victimhood
argument from social status
argument from gender and sexual preference
we are getting remarkablly close to simply argument from party affiliiation

statemnet X
person Y said X
therefore X must be true QED

Resolute on January 12, 2007 at 6:51 PM

I forgot argument from race thats a big one

Resolute on January 12, 2007 at 6:52 PM

WHO PAYS THE PRICE FOR THE DEMOCRAT DEFEATISTISM? WHEN THE MUSLIMS START SLAUGHTERING HERE, WHO PAYS THE PRICE, BOXER?

VinceP1974 on January 12, 2007 at 7:01 PM

Resolute on January 12, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Nice, I hope you don’t mind that I copy and use this from time to time.
And race is the big one, but only liberal race.

right2bright on January 12, 2007 at 7:09 PM

Honora:
Laura Bush’s comment re why she doesn’t think Condi will run for President:

“Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she’s an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job,” the First Lady said.
Now, who’s the bitchy one again??

Laura Bush isn’t a US Senator
Boxer was way out of line.

MITX on January 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM

gmcjetpilot on January 12, 2007 at 6:32 PM

mindreader, huh Kreskin?

fogw on January 12, 2007 at 7:58 PM

gmcjet, sorry man, gotta disagree there. I think most conservative males (can’t speak for any females) dislike Hillary for her far left political views, not just because she’s a woman. Personally I WANT a woman for president. Not just any women for the sake of having a female president, but a particular woman, Dr. Rice. Not because she’s black, or single or childless, but because I think she’ll kill more jihadis than McCain or Rudy or anybody else.

Tony737 on January 12, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Okay. Why hasn’t anyone mentioned the incident with Cheney on the floor from a couple years ago? He let fly some choice words, and everyone lefty was in an uproar. They wanted an apology.

I’m not going to be screaching for an apology since this was not directed towards me. Condi is an adult and can handle this. She can also say if she wants an apology. She most likely will take the high road and let it go.

My bottom line assessment:
Boxer’s comments were ill worded, and as such, out of line.

raz0r on January 12, 2007 at 8:18 PM

With special notice to William Amos, if you read this, and “Resolute,” if you read this:

Honora is right that this is no big deal. It is exactly what the Democrats always do.

In a philosophy or debate class this is known as “argument from authority”, a form of logical fallacy. They have just adapted it:
argument from authority
arugment from victimhood
argument from social status
argument from gender and sexual preference
we are getting remarkablly close to simply argument from party affiliiation

statemnet X
person Y said X
therefore X must be true QED

Resolute on January 12, 2007 at 6:51 PM

Resolute,

Your insight is quite inspiring and educational.

Thank you for calling this to our attention.

In Boxer’s case, she was rather arrogant to act as an authority berating and condescending to the Secretary of State, a black women, someone the press all but ignored in contrast to how the press is falling all over themselves in raising Nancy “Miss San Francisco Values” Pelosi, the new Speaker of the House, champion of family life, champion of children, woman extraordinaire.

They did this will Hillary Rodham Clinton, raising her onto the pedestal as the smartest woman in the world, totally ignoring the fact that Marilyn Vos Savant holds the world’s record of 228 in the Stanford-Binet test, now retired to the Guinness Book of World Records in 1989 because testing criteria have been changed and thus no one can score above 200 any longer.

Also, in labeling Hillary “Universal Health Care, It takes a village” Clinton as the smartest woman in the world, the likes of Condaleezza Rice, Ph.D., fluent in several languages, including Russian, knowledgeable in world affairs and cultures, Provost at Stanford University, concert classical pianist, etc., etc., etc., with WAY more international and security experience and knowledge than Boxer, Pelosi, and Clinton combined, the press essentially revealed their low level of qualifications required to praise someone they love, and their ignorance of those of the conservative, Republican point of view.

Regarding my comment to both “Resolute,” and William Amos,

Our name, William, means “Resolute Protector, Strong Defender.”

So, when we sign our names “William” we actually also mean the same as the term “Resolute,” and “Resolute” is our brother in the meaning of the name.

William

William2006 on January 12, 2007 at 8:20 PM

Somewhere Susan B Anthony is spinning in her grave… or at least in a slot machine.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 12, 2007 at 8:31 PM

William2006 on January 12, 2007 at 8:20 PM

Terrific post. Thank you.

fogw on January 12, 2007 at 8:35 PM

I love Condi’s eyebrow hike and look after the comment. Pure gold.

spmat on January 12, 2007 at 8:44 PM

Let me try this one time with pilot. Boxer is a senator, meaning she can represent her agenda and her agenda alone. Rice is currently sec state, meaning she works for the ex. branch of govt., specifically the prez. This being the case, Condi is always there in a capacity to represent the “administrations” agenda and policy, not her own. Behind closed doors in meetings is where she advances her ideas and policies. Boxer has very little restraint in this regard, what she says only represents her view, not an entire branch of govt. Got it?

ritethinker on January 12, 2007 at 9:18 PM

Don’t care. Not one bit. It is ALL broken. The Dem’s run the House and the Congress just like the Rep’s……it is Tammany Hall…..every pocket….every purse….every sock…..stuffed with BS and greenbacks.

Dems………as corrupt as Enron.
Reps………as damned as Marley.

Dems and Reps……Tammany Hall CF.

‘Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud come out.’-Robert Graves/I Claudius

Limerick on January 12, 2007 at 9:37 PM

The way the Dems are starting out, I’m not so worried about having a tough time prying them out of their seats in, say, 2008 – 2010 – 2012. I don’t think their control will last as long as 16 years in any case.

Then again, if the GOP hasn’t learned any lessons, we could see control see-sawing back and forth every 4-6 years, even every 2 years…

Not a damn thing will get done.

reaganaut on January 12, 2007 at 9:40 PM

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Have you seen the clip? Boxer was clearly trying to suggest that Condi makes the decisions she makes because she has no children in harms way.

This exposes the moonbat left as having the misguided belief that…

1) All politicians should make policy acording to it’s effects on their own family and not what is best for the country.

2) All people who have children will make the same decisions.

3) If an elected official has no children they cannot understand the relationship between a parent and a child.

4) That no one except the moonbats has deep feelings for the people affected by the policies they enact.

Boxer believes everyone of those and THAT is why she opened her mouth and spewed what she did. She built up such a case in her mind that her outlook was soooo perfect, she eliminated any chance of error on her part. Now she wants to parse it in a vacuum because that is the only way her comment can survive examination.

Well, she is a worthless pos and deserves every criticizim she is getting.

csdeven on January 12, 2007 at 11:38 PM

Senator Boxer said that neither her nor Ms. Rice had to sacrifice anything for the war because Ms. Boxer’s children are too old and Ms. Rice does not have any children.

And this is somehow warped into an attack on Ms. Rice for not having children? This could only be taken as an insult if you have some preconceived notion that there is something wrong with not having children and thus pointing it out is letting skeletons out of the closet.

Has it ever occurred to you that Ms. Rice remained unfazed not because she is so calm and dignified and above Ms. Boxer but because she did not perceive this as an attack?

JaHerer22 on January 12, 2007 at 12:59 PM

It was clearly an attack on Condaleezza Rice and her integrity by Barbara Boxer who attempted to create a higher position and set the scene before making the attack.

The attack?

Who is Condaleezza Rice to support sending more troops or support funding for war if she has no dog in the fight, no children to be sent into harm’s way, to be capture, to be killed?

Here is what Condaleezza Rice has to lose.

1) President Bush and his cabinet, including Secretary of State Condaleezza Rice, are targets for each and every nut case on planet earth who wish to assassinate them, capture them, torture them, behead them, humiliate them – which is part of what Boxer is attempting to do in public – humiliate Condaleezza Rice, and also talk down to Condaleezza rather than show her the respect Condi is due by her humanity, by her position, by her accomplishments, and by her responsibilities.

2) Everywhere Condaleezza Rice goes on State business, she is a target for aforementioned dangers. The leaders of the countries she visits can betray her, the leaders’ close confidants can betray both her and the leader of that country, and kidnap our Secretary of State and even kill her. Even here in the US she is a target for reprisals.

Those are only two examples of Condaleezza’s personal investment in this concern.

Furthermore, Condaleezza Rice is serving not only George W. Bush, she is serving the people of the United States of America and the high ideals she holds dear.

Barbara Boxer does not hold a candle to Condaleezza Rice and the investment she herself makes, the sacrifices she made throughout her life in order to achieve what she has achieved, or the suffering and hardship that Condi has endured as a child, the loss of her friends, the way her father had to go out and organize her neighbors to protect their neighborhood from racist raiders.

Condi had to overcome the handicap that being black imposed on her and her peers, something Barbara Boxer never had to endure.

Condi is like a race horse who was burdened with an extra handicap, while the likes of Hilary Rodham Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, and others of their ilk, never had to carry, yet she won the race. After the race the jealous horses, like Boxer, complain and try to fit the winning horse with another handicap, ignoring the fact that the winning horse already won with a great handicap, one the others, like Boxer, never had to carry!

Boxer owes both Condaleezza Rice and the US citizens a humble, sincere apology.

Boxer also owes the soldiers an apology, for they are adults who signed up, voluntarily, to serve.

Boxer owes an apology to all the police chiefs throughout the world who have not children but send the police into harm’s way in order to protect and serve.

Boxer also owes and apology to all Chiefs of fire fighters who have not children yet send their charges into harm’s way in order to protect and serve.

Boxer also owes an apology to all the foremen and managers of electric power companies who send their crews out on dangerous jobs in which the crew can be fried to a crisp, and sometimes are fried to a crisp.

Boxer put her foot in her mouth in an obvious attempt to place herself above Condaleezza Rice and to showboat on television and before her peers.

Boxer should hang her head in shame and beg Rice and the public for forgiveness.

What does Condaleezza Rice have to invest into her decisions?

Her own neck, and the welfare of all the soldiers AND the citizens of the United States of America!

William

William2006 on January 12, 2007 at 11:59 PM

Now, who’s the bitchy one again??

honora on January 12, 2007 at 11:39 AM

You, as always. What a troll…..

Janos Hunyadi on January 13, 2007 at 12:48 AM

What would the Founding Fathers think of the quality of this Senate?

/Rolling in their graves

gmoonster on January 13, 2007 at 3:41 AM

Now, who’s the bitchy one again??

honora on January 12, 2007 at 11:39 AM

Women, here, in the workplace and on the floor of the Senate, they’re nurturers.

Stephen M on January 13, 2007 at 4:30 AM

What hypocrites. Dr. Rice can’t discuss the war because she is childless and “has nothing to lose.”

Well, liberals, it works both ways!

Barbara, being well past the age of pregnancy, and well into menopause, IS NOW NO LONGER QUALIFIED TO DISCUSS ABORTION, as she is no longer able to have a child and subsiquently abort it.

So she should STFU about abortion rights from now on. The next time she utters a word about protecting “choice” someone in the audience should shout “SHUT UP YOU OLD BARREN BITCH! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ADVOCATE SOMETHING YOU CAN’T HAVE!

georgej on January 13, 2007 at 6:57 AM

Here’s a little something from http://www.sourcewatch.org:

Boxer was among the top 24 involved in the House bank scandal. On March 1, 1992 the Sacramento Bee quoted Boxer as admitting she didn’t pay enough attention to her House bank account. More specifically, that meant 143 bad checks totaling $41,417 over a three-year period that she had written on the House bank.

Like Chucky Schumer, the champion check bouncer, she is just another crass, ignorant check bouncing, above the law DEMOCRAP.

We as citizens should be outraged that criminals are allowed to run for and hold public office.

Zorro on January 13, 2007 at 9:08 AM

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