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How many more of the Cpt Hussein stories are also lies?

Is there anyone else who’s given up trying to understand just what the bleeding holy heck is going on in this case?

Anyone?

*raises hand*

BTW, who from the AP has actually talked to this source? They have claimed to be in his office (which says to me he wasn’t to worried about his own safety at that time), so who is it that fingered him as the source? Who was it from the AP that actually got a good look at him and said yep, that’s the guy? Because I think that person(s) is an important link in the story as well.

AP failed its readers when it simply relied on word of mouth than actually researching the stories. Its unethical to post news stories as news based on hearsay even if events are similar to what is going on.

That would be like saying John Doe is guilty of murder because someone was murdered in a city that John Doe lives in. We cant base judgement on information that isnt factual even if there is related info out there.

From Michelle’s site …

Tony Snow: Yeah, I am looking forward to meeting Captain Jumil [sic] Hussein, but other than that, yes. You’ve seen the latest on that, right?

Hugh Hewitt: No, I haven’t. I haven’t read today. Is he back and not existing again?

Tony Snow: He’s back to non-existence.

Does that mean Allah was suckered AGAIN?! How many times is that now? No problem. The AP will claim to have yet another witness tomorrow (who will again request that they not identify them) and Allah will take their word for it AGAIN.

So, if this pans out, then the AP is not telling the truth of the matter asserted. If this information is incorrect, then someone at the Ministry or Costlow isn’t telling the truth, which is a story in and of itself. Either way, there’s a major story…

Isn’t this essentially all that Captain “Hussein” was saying all along? Has Mrs Malkin been seduced by the dark (read left) side?
THeDRiFTeR on January 11, 2007 at 6:38 PM

Let’s look at Lagos, Nigeria for a comparison, say CHristmas, New Year. The soldiers are out robbing banks for Christmas, the armed robber gangs are out robbing entire neighborhoods for Christmas – starting at one end and working their way down the street – (you can call the police, but they won’t come)and the Jou-Jou witchdoctors are prowling the streets to pick up their end of year quotas of unwary passersby for human sacrifices for their high ceremonies. Car-jackings, petty crime, plus the big scams chug along at the same time, and CHristmas is the absolutely the worse time to run the airport gauntlet – taxis and vehicles w/travellers are held up all the time going to and from the airport. And that’s the usual, not counting the ethnic flare-ups that would set entire neighborhoods against each other, hand-to-hand, chunks of cement and machetes. Nothing in the United States comes anywhere close, and Lagos isn’t even a war zone. Third World conditions are always a shock the first week, but after a while Americans learn how to sort out the big problems from the small, and how to move through them sensibly. Thus, in comparison to the tranquil and sheltered American conditions, Baghdad would seem horrendous, practically incomprehensible, but compared to some other tough cities, it wouldn’t seem so strange – just another notch or two worse, not a universe away.
There’s another thought on this police business which people may find interesting. Typically, military dictatorships produce weak and inefficient police departments. Saddam was a dictator who came in via coup, so his style of governing would fall into this. What happens is, the military cannot tolerate any armed competition, and usually the police structure is the only armed entity apart from the military (plus civilians, but they are less organized). Therefore, the military power structure deliberately weakens the police, poor pay, poor training, poor weaponry. The police as an institution becomes an object of scorn, as good people leave and are replaced by lesser quality recruits. A lot of the comments about the police in Iraq seem to indicate that the policing operations are inferior, and probably from a long history of being low man on the totem pole. This is a big problem, as the Iraqis, like many Third World societies, do not have any experience with a professional and capable police force. The question will be, will the new goevrnment be comfortable with investing to make an improved police force – or stick tight to the military as they have been used to all these long years?

Do you really think Jamil is going to admit to being the source when the MOI, by many accounts, is controlled by Sadrist goons? It’s a small blessing that he isn’t dead already.

Allahpundit on January 11, 2007 at 1:08 PM

I think I have a solution.

Out him, and Rueters can get a picture of a sniper taking him out. The story (sorry for the pun) dies, and the papers get their pictures.
APress is off the hook, Rueters gets their sniper pics, NYT can run an article how bloggers killed an innocent man.

It’s all BS.

My grandfather once told me “never lie because you then have to tell another lie to make the first lie true”.

Bogeyfre on January 11, 2007 at 5:09 PM

And Mark Twain said, “If you tell the truth you don’t have to remember anything.” Both were wise men. The AP and “Jamil” could learn a thing or three from them.

And Allah, it may get me banned, but I’m afraid that I can’t keep silent about “Jamil”’s (alleged) real identity. It’s Tommy Flanagan.

I’m having a hard time finding an answer that doesn’t include “massive CYA”, up to and including the idea that this really isn’t their man, just a convenient name to pin the lies on when the stories cannot be backed up.

Freelancer on January 11, 2007 at 5:13 PM

And you’re calling me a moron?

Isn’t this essentially all that Captain “Hussein” was saying all along?

No, moron, he was telling lies, about incidents that didn’t happen, haven’t been verified or corroborated.

If you can’t spot the difference between telling us there’s trouble over there, and making up stories to sensationalize the trouble over there, don’t ever comment on free flow of information again, because you wouldn’t know it if it slithered up your arm.

Is there anyone else who’s given up trying to understand just what the bleeding holy heck is going on in this case?

Anyone?

Sure, most people have given up.
Worse, of those who have not quit, most are forgetting even to think about the mosques which never burned.
Crap. It is Tet all over again.
Again.
Ad friggin’ infinitum apparently.
I’m glad for the antiMSM and all but daily it’s clear the antiMSM’s reach is still a long way from 50.0000000001%.

AN ISSUE OF ACCURACY AND FACTS:
AP published stories claiming 24 people (including the now infamous “burning six”) were killed in attacked on four mosques. There has been zero evidence of any of this happening, despite claims by AP that they have video, and despite the fact AP went back twice and could have easily snapped pictures of these four mosques that they claimed were rocketed, machine gunned, and then burned.

Failing to provide evidence of these attacks (perhaps because they never occurred?) AP then rewrote the narrative to only discuss six deaths and one mosque, without ever mentioning what happened to the 18 bodies and 3 mosques that disappeared from their stories… not that they’ve substantiated this final attack, either.

That Leaves…

AN ISSUE OF JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY:
AP may have run stories that didn’t actually happen, provided by someone they claim is an Iraqi cop of a certain name. The honest and smart thing to do would have been to acknowledge they had been taken for a ride, and stop using Hussein as a source. This story would have disappeared in the first week of December.

Instead, at every opportunity, AP has attacked the bloggers, the Iraqi police and Interior, Health, and Defense ministries, along with the Amierican military PAOs disputing their stories. Why?

I suspect that the issues are far deeper than many realize.

This could expose an inherent flaw in AP’s information gathering and fact-checking methodologies that leave them wide open to outside groups being able to insert propoganda as news through trusted sources. If it can be proven Jamil Hussein lied here, it brings into question everything he ever reported, and five dozen or so AP stories in which he made an appearance.

Were his credability to fall apart across a broad spctrum of stories, then theri methodolgy is open to criticism, and their reputation as a news gathering source is damaged immeasureably. Think what would have happened if it could have been reasonably questioned that all of CBS’s reporting was structurally prone to fruad, not just Mary Mapes’ reporting, and you’ll grasp the stakes.

And so, AP has backed themsleves into a tough corner, where they can’t admit they were more than likely both fooled and wrong. All tehy can hope to do is wait us, out, or hope the story runs out of steam.

I see neither occuring.

…there is danger and chaos and unspeakable bloodshed in parts of Baghdad. Sectarian violence–compounded by everyday street crime and tribal conflict–is rampant.

In the slums of Baghdad
By Michelle Malkin · January 11, 2007 01:15 AM

Isn’t this essentially all that Captain “Hussein” was saying all along? Has Mrs Malkin been seduced by the dark (read left) side?

Beginning to believe that all the reports were written in New York City, with some emailed photos and a couple of lurid quotes from over the phone.

naliaka on January 11, 2007 at 5:09 PM

Very well said, I’m with you.

Take care all.

How many reporters have spent time in jail/prison under contempt charges for refusing to ID a source? Isn’t the journalist’s first responsibility to protect their source, so that they can be trusted by other sources in future stories? They sure make a huge First Amendment issue of it regularly.

So why on earth would the AP name a “major source”, who has been working under a pseudonym for personal safety, a move guaranteed to jeopardize said source, and perhaps quash the willingness of future sources to work with them?

I’m having a hard time finding an answer that doesn’t include “massive CYA”, up to and including the idea that this really isn’t their man, just a convenient name to pin the lies on when the stories cannot be backed up.

My grandfather once told me “never lie because you then have to tell another lie to make the first lie true”.

First lie. I believe, AP was caught telling possibly fraudulent stories, because of their all to eager desire to make us out to be the bad guys, sourced by someone who claims to be a captain in the Iraq military.

Second lie. I believe that when presented with the facts that the person they named as their source did not exist and that the sheer volume of stories and multiple locations credited to that source seemed a bit “superman”. They now say they violated their own policy and used a pseudonym.

It’s all BS.

Take care all.

You suck.

Uncharacteristically blunt, but accurate.

The warm body that the AP purports to be their source for 60+ stories isn’t the issue.

The issue always was, and continues to be, the fact that the AP published every one of those stories with ZERO fact-checking or corroboration of any kind. Baghdad Bob could have been feeding them these stories and they would be no less credible.

AP needs to follow the Reuters example in the Adnan Hajj debacle, and retract every single story sourced to Capt. Hussein as unverified.

I do not blame “Capt. Hussein” for going to ground when these shenanigans were uncovered, his life is at risk. But it’s his own fault if he’s been spoon-feeding lies to the AP. I have sympathy for him, but it’s mitigated.

On the other hand, if the Iraqi Police Captain that the AP is fingering as “Hussein” isn’t, he has my full sympathies as a patsy, and the AP is worse than dastardly to cover their own lies at somebody else’s peril.

Right now, we don’t know which is true, though I agree with AllahPundit that it’s a bit beyond the pale to imagine a news organization going that far.

Whichever is true, it is in no way the responsibility of bloggers that the man in question is in danger, The_Drifter’s accusations to same notwithstanding. Without bloggers, the AP would still be running shadow stories from this source, increasing the anti-American lies spread by the willing media.