Comments on: Hitchens to Ellison: What Jefferson really thought of Islam

By: Nonfactor

Nonfactor — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:07:40 +0000

Just a side note I’d like to mention:

Many Jewish groups in Minnesota supported Ellison over his Republican Jewish opponent. To claim or even act as if Ellison was elected because there are Muslims in Minnesota is laughable.

By: Entelechy

Entelechy — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:42:29 +0000

...and English-speaking kids are kicked off the bus in St. Paul.

By: csdeven

csdeven — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:07:18 +0000

I am going to reserve judgement on ellison until I see what type of legislation he supports. If he is true to Islamist values, he should be conservative, but because he is a dem, I suspect he will support all legislation that empowers those of the Muslim faith. Once they have a significant voice the take over of this country begins in earnest.

By: Vanquisher

Vanquisher — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:51:50 +0000

Minnesota is fast becoming the second most muslim populated area besides Michigan. The thing is, they just don’t stay to themselves and become part of a community. They spread, impose themselves and their lifestyle on others and change the face of the area permanetly. It’s not a good thing.

I can attest to that. I live in a neighborhood of muslims from Yemen. They have pretty much destroyed my property value and trashed the area. They don’t bother to fit in since they refuse to speak English and continue the burqa tradition with the girls and women that are here. They refuse to even pick up any trash around the houses that they dwell in- usually ten or more and not necessarily related, either. If I did these things, I would be facing severe fines and possibly jail time, but they get away with it. I weep for my country and the direction it has taken!

By: rotorhead

rotorhead — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:17:15 +0000

Hey, as long as Ellison wants to keep swearing on the Qu’ran using the traditional ass-wipe only hand, that’s fine by me. Couldn’t think of a better use for the Qu’ran…

By: Janos Hunyadi

Janos Hunyadi — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:06:22 +0000

Preach it. J. Adams is my favorite. TJ had the style, Adams the wit. And brains. And courage. And manners. And morals. And decency. And honesty. And …

Anwyn on January 9, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Finally, someone else sees the light. Adams could say what Jefferson said with half the words. Jefferson created things, while Adams fully realized the consequences of those creations

Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Indep, but Adams ( with Ben Franklin ) heavily edited it. Much of what Jefferson wrote in that document was paraphrased from Locke; Adams edits were an improvement

By: Black Adam

Black Adam — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:49:29 +0000

Another dumb Democrat practicing revisionist history and historic amnesia.

Par for the course.

By: DANEgerus

DANEgerus — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:23:40 +0000

Glad to see Christopher Hitchens pitch in, but he's late to the party: Keith 'Hakim' Ellison (D-CAIR)'s Big Lie

By: Bill's Bites

Bill's Bites — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:12:26 +0000

Quick hits…

Startin’ to wear down, still runnin’ behind from that TypePad outage. Just go read these: Durbin crawls to dKos: “Help me set the Senate’s agenda” Hitchens to Ellison: What Jefferson really thought of Islam Report: Dem Congressman boasts of ins…

By: Catie96706

Catie96706 — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:38:59 +0000

Well Tim in this PC world of ours the enemy is the good guy to many in this great land. I don’t quite get it myself but it makes me sad.
As for the Founding Fathers-I like Hamilton myself with Washington as a close second. I’ve never been much of a Jefferson fan but maybe it was because when I was six and visiting Monticello (sp?, too tired to make sure it’s correct) I slipped on the steps and broke my wrist.
I also had no idea that MN was getting a large influx of Muslims. Thanks for pointing that out Perchant.

By: Tim Burton

Tim Burton — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:07:14 +0000

Does anyone realize that Jefferson had more honesty about the Koran than 99% of our politicians and 90 some odd percent of our pundits.... Prophet of Doom: A Doctrinal look at Islam History of Jihad I'm still wondering if we are going to ever vilify the main enemy like we did in WWI and WWII. Heck, we vilified the CSA worse than we have the enemy this time....

By: Kokonut

Kokonut — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:17:10 +0000

Sorry. Here's the correct and original link about T.J. and Islam.

By: Kokonut

Kokonut — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:14:56 +0000

More on the story of T.J. and Islam.

By: Nonfactor

Nonfactor — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:02:39 +0000

All that quote shows me is that Jefferson made his own religious choices (in the sense of existential choice)-if The Bible or the Qur’an or whatever said something it wouldn’t matter to him if it was wrong or unjust in his mind.

Who cares if a Congressman put his hand on a Qur’an and swore to uphold the United States Constitution? What does it matter? What does it change? Let people have their religions-Christianity, Islam, Scientology-however wrong they may be; so long as they don’t take those beliefs and try to force them upon the American people I’m perfectly okay with whatever piece of paper they put their hand on.

By: Anwyn

Anwyn — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:58:42 +0000

TJ wasn’t the only Founding Father.

Preach it. J. Adams is my favorite. TJ had the style, Adams the wit. And brains. And courage. And manners. And morals. And decency. And honesty. And …

By: Zorro

Zorro — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:20:40 +0000

Personally, I favor George Washington’s writings more so than Jefferson. TJ wasn’t the only Founding Father.

By: Entelechy

Entelechy — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:54:35 +0000

No one. Except me.

Boo! Move over, this perch is not exclusively yours :)

I love C. Hitchens – he reminds me so perfectly how imperfect I am (wanted to write ‘we’ but thought better of it, for once), even when I disagree with some of his earlier leanings.

This.man.can.write.and.is.not.afraid.of.controversy. I miss Ayn Rand.

Wait until Mr. Hitchens’ next book comes out – …bet you’re giddy already!

By: Mellen

Mellen — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:31:47 +0000

What Minneapolis did electing a muslim is what will happen nationwide politically swayed to Mexico with the influx of millions of hispanics …so what alternative country looks good to you???

By: Jaibones

Jaibones — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:30:30 +0000

“Congressman Ellison … CAIR on line one”

darwin on January 9, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Heh.

By: spmat

spmat — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:27:55 +0000

As highly as one might think of Jefferson, it would be wise to remember that it was a Christian people upon whom his hopes of a secular nation rested, and it was a Christian people that delivered it.

By: Robert B. Steely, MSgt, USAF

Robert B. Steely, MSgt, USAF — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:08:34 +0000

Jefferson Koran – Update – More holes in Ellison reasoning…

I know this may be a dead subject, but I can’t let it go. Mr. Ellisons “reasoning” behind why President Jefferson had a Koran just gets flimsier and flimsier…….

By: thirteen28

thirteen28 — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:02:14 +0000

He goes on to advise taking a razor blade to the Koran — like Jefferson did to the New Testament.

Think a large subsection of muslims would get outraged if someone took Hitchen’s advice?

Naaaaaaahh.

By: E L Frederick (Sniper One)

E L Frederick (Sniper One) — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:59:30 +0000

I know where you can get it in two ply...

By: x95b10

x95b10 — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:57:09 +0000

They need to start printing the Koran on softer paper becuase my arse is rubbed raw. The terrorists thought of everything!

By: Perchant

Perchant — Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:54:05 +0000

I wonder what Minnesota residents were thinking about when they voted?

kiakjones

It was Minneapolis and if you visit Minneapolis you’ll soon understand. They voted for Ellison because they couldn’t find bin Laden on the ballot.