Hitchens to Ellison: What Jefferson really thought of Islam
posted at 3:51 pm on January 9, 2007 by Allahpundit
No one will like this. Not the left, not Muslims, and not Christians. No one. Except me.
Well, you’ll like this part:
Jefferson and John Adams … went to call on Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
Medieval as it is, this has a modern ring to it. Abdrahaman did not fail to add that a commission paid directly to Tripoli—and another paid to himself—would secure some temporary lenience. I believe on the evidence that it was at this moment that Jefferson decided to make war on the Muslim states of North Africa as soon as the opportunity presented itself. And, even if I am wrong, we can be sure that the dispatch of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps to the Barbary shore was the first and most important act of his presidency. It took several years of bombardment before the practice of kidnap and piracy and slavery was put down, but put down it was, Quranic justification or not.
He goes on to advise taking a razor blade to the Koran — like Jefferson did to the New Testament.










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As I thought, Ellison was making a risky move doing that, using Jefferson’s Koran. People will start to take a close look WHY Jefferson had a Koran and see that the first American shot fired in the War on Terror was by Jefferson DEFENDING this nation.
CrimsonFisted on January 9, 2007 at 3:59 PM
“Hey Ellison. Yeah, that Quaran you took oath on….yeah I know, it’s Thomas Jefferson’s. Pretty cool huh. Yeah, about that Quaran, Jefferson would rather have wiped his arse with it than read it.”
natesnake on January 9, 2007 at 3:59 PM
Once again, history has the last laugh.
natesnake on January 9, 2007 at 4:01 PM
“Congressman Ellison … CAIR on line one”
darwin on January 9, 2007 at 4:12 PM
I like it too, great piece.
bbz123 on January 9, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Hey Keith! Research this – have you ever heard it sung by REAL men?
CrimsonFisted on January 9, 2007 at 4:15 PM
They don’t teach American history in Detroit, Michigan?
Also, with Louis Farrakhan and CAIR on the sidelines, I wonder what Minnesota residents were thinking about when they voted?
This will be his new campaign slogan if he desires a higher office.
kiakjones on January 9, 2007 at 4:16 PM
“I wonder what Minnesota residents were thinking about when they voted?”
Minnesota is fast becoming the second most muslim populated area besides Michigan. The thing is, they just don’t stay to themselves and become part of a community. They spread, impose themselves and their lifestyle on others and change the face of the area permanetly. It’s not a good thing.
darwin on January 9, 2007 at 4:22 PM
This is the exactly correct answer. I like it just fine.
We should be invoking the Framers more often, not less. There was an inspired wisdom at play then, the likes of which we have not seen since.
Pablo on January 9, 2007 at 4:25 PM
Thomas Jefferson – the greatest American atheist.
Now if only the rest of you could follow his example…
Enrique on January 9, 2007 at 4:28 PM
yeah, interesting. I can see why you’d say it would piss everyone off. Most certainly takes a bite out of a lot of people.
One Angry Christian on January 9, 2007 at 4:31 PM
He was, at worst, a Deist.
Spassvogel on January 9, 2007 at 4:33 PM
I’d also like to add that it’s very interesting his take on that Treaty of tripoli. I think Jefferson would probably be sick if he saw it was being used to destroy a lot of individual rights by the ACLU at this point in history.
One Angry Christian on January 9, 2007 at 4:33 PM
As a Christian I don’t dislike it–why should I? I’ve known what Jefferson thought of Christianity and what he did with the Bible for a while now. The problem with what he did is not that he did it–it’s that he seemed to assume, as Hitchens apparently does, that anything in the NT not spoken by Jesus is worthless because it was written by other people, then turns right around and assumes that Jesus was described and quoted accurately as justification for making that his only basis of response to Jesus.
Cake, eaten, had.
Anwyn on January 9, 2007 at 4:41 PM
As for Jefferson being a deist, he certainly talked and walked like one, but it was incredibly unfashionable in his day to do otherwise. I’m skeptical.
Anwyn on January 9, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Jihadi Ellison will show his true colors soon enough. He’s just a tool.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 9, 2007 at 4:51 PM
He needs to repudiate the Koran.
RedWinged Blackbird on January 9, 2007 at 4:53 PM
It was Minneapolis and if you visit Minneapolis you’ll soon understand. They voted for Ellison because they couldn’t find bin Laden on the ballot.
Perchant on January 9, 2007 at 4:54 PM
They need to start printing the Koran on softer paper becuase my arse is rubbed raw. The terrorists thought of everything!
x95b10 on January 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM
I know where you can get it in two ply…
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Think a large subsection of muslims would get outraged if someone took Hitchen’s advice?
Naaaaaaahh.
thirteen28 on January 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM
As highly as one might think of Jefferson, it would be wise to remember that it was a Christian people upon whom his hopes of a secular nation rested, and it was a Christian people that delivered it.
spmat on January 9, 2007 at 5:27 PM
Heh.
Jaibones on January 9, 2007 at 5:30 PM
What Minneapolis did electing a muslim is what will happen nationwide politically swayed to Mexico with the influx of millions of hispanics …so what alternative country looks good to you???
Mellen on January 9, 2007 at 6:31 PM
Boo! Move over, this perch is not exclusively yours :)
I love C. Hitchens – he reminds me so perfectly how imperfect I am (wanted to write ‘we’ but thought better of it, for once), even when I disagree with some of his earlier leanings.
This.man.can.write.and.is.not.afraid.of.controversy. I miss Ayn Rand.
Wait until Mr. Hitchens’ next book comes out – …bet you’re giddy already!
Entelechy on January 9, 2007 at 6:54 PM
Personally, I favor George Washington’s writings more so than Jefferson. TJ wasn’t the only Founding Father.
Zorro on January 9, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Preach it. J. Adams is my favorite. TJ had the style, Adams the wit. And brains. And courage. And manners. And morals. And decency. And honesty. And …
Anwyn on January 9, 2007 at 7:58 PM
All that quote shows me is that Jefferson made his own religious choices (in the sense of existential choice)-if The Bible or the Qur’an or whatever said something it wouldn’t matter to him if it was wrong or unjust in his mind.
Who cares if a Congressman put his hand on a Qur’an and swore to uphold the United States Constitution? What does it matter? What does it change? Let people have their religions-Christianity, Islam, Scientology-however wrong they may be; so long as they don’t take those beliefs and try to force them upon the American people I’m perfectly okay with whatever piece of paper they put their hand on.
Nonfactor on January 9, 2007 at 8:02 PM
More on the story of T.J. and Islam.
Kokonut on January 9, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Sorry. Here’s the correct and original link about T.J. and Islam.
Kokonut on January 9, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Does anyone realize that Jefferson had more honesty about the Koran than 99% of our politicians and 90 some odd percent of our pundits….
Prophet of Doom: A Doctrinal look at Islam
History of Jihad
I’m still wondering if we are going to ever vilify the main enemy like we did in WWI and WWII. Heck, we vilified the CSA worse than we have the enemy this time….
Tim Burton on January 9, 2007 at 9:07 PM
Well Tim in this PC world of ours the enemy is the good guy to many in this great land. I don’t quite get it myself but it makes me sad.
As for the Founding Fathers-I like Hamilton myself with Washington as a close second. I’ve never been much of a Jefferson fan but maybe it was because when I was six and visiting Monticello (sp?, too tired to make sure it’s correct) I slipped on the steps and broke my wrist.
I also had no idea that MN was getting a large influx of Muslims. Thanks for pointing that out Perchant.
Catie96706 on January 10, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Glad to see Christopher Hitchens pitch in, but he’s late to the party: Keith ‘Hakim’ Ellison (D-CAIR)’s Big Lie
DANEgerus on January 10, 2007 at 1:23 AM
Another dumb Democrat practicing revisionist history and historic amnesia.
Par for the course.
Black Adam on January 10, 2007 at 1:49 AM
Finally, someone else sees the light. Adams could say what Jefferson said with half the words. Jefferson created things, while Adams fully realized the consequences of those creations
Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Indep, but Adams ( with Ben Franklin ) heavily edited it. Much of what Jefferson wrote in that document was paraphrased from Locke; Adams edits were an improvement
Janos Hunyadi on January 10, 2007 at 2:06 AM
Hey, as long as Ellison wants to keep swearing on the Qu’ran using the traditional ass-wipe only hand, that’s fine by me. Couldn’t think of a better use for the Qu’ran…
rotorhead on January 10, 2007 at 4:17 AM
Minnesota is fast becoming the second most muslim populated area besides Michigan. The thing is, they just don’t stay to themselves and become part of a community. They spread, impose themselves and their lifestyle on others and change the face of the area permanetly. It’s not a good thing.
Vanquisher on January 10, 2007 at 10:51 AM
I am going to reserve judgement on ellison until I see what type of legislation he supports. If he is true to Islamist values, he should be conservative, but because he is a dem, I suspect he will support all legislation that empowers those of the Muslim faith. Once they have a significant voice the take over of this country begins in earnest.
csdeven on January 10, 2007 at 11:07 AM
…and English-speaking kids are kicked off the bus in St. Paul.
Entelechy on January 10, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Just a side note I’d like to mention:
Many Jewish groups in Minnesota supported Ellison over his Republican Jewish opponent. To claim or even act as if Ellison was elected because there are Muslims in Minnesota is laughable.
Nonfactor on January 10, 2007 at 3:07 PM