Euphoric Reality: National Guard was confronted by uniformed Mexican force
posted at 11:38 am on January 9, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I’m loath to trust blog exclusives nowadays, but Heidi claims she’s got National Guard and Border Patrol sources telling her that last week’s border standoff involved a Mexican military or paramilitary force carrying AK-47s, wearing uniforms flak jackets, and advancing in a tactical formation. She says the Guard didn’t retreat but merely withdrew to a more strategically advantageous position. Hmmm:
When the Mexican unit came within approximately 100 yards of the EIT site [i.e., National Guard observation base -- ed.], the Guardsmen repositioned themselves in order to maintain surveillance and tactical advantage. They observed the Mexican unit sweep through the EIT site, and then rapidly withdraw back into Mexico. No shots were fired by either the Mexican gunmen or the Guardsmen. Border Patrol was on the scene within minutes of the Mexican unit’s withdrawal.
The two sides allegedly never got closer than 100 yards.
Follow the link to find out who she thinks the Mexicans were.
Update: Relax, says Dan Riehl. We might be talking about as few as four men. And they might have had a very good reason for being there.
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If true, it would seem to me we have an act of war on our hands.
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GT on January 9, 2007 at 11:41 AM
The handwriting is now not only on the wall, it’s on the ceiling, in the bathroom, ….
PRCalDude on January 9, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Would anyone be surprised by this if it confirmed to be true given our pourous border and our government’s complete unwillingness to defend it?
thirteen28 on January 9, 2007 at 11:49 AM
OK, so when they got further into US territory, why didn’t we cut off their route back to Mexico and take them into custody?
flipflop on January 9, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Are you freakin’ kidding me?!?! And piss off the Mexican government? Bush would never allow that to happen!!
thirteen28 on January 9, 2007 at 11:57 AM
Heaven help us if the great Mexican army invades.
infidel on January 9, 2007 at 11:59 AM
In any event, I’m ready…with my twin .45’s
urbancenturion on January 9, 2007 at 12:00 PM
So, why did the border patrol arrive “shortly after the [Mexicans] left the EIT site”? “Several hours” seems like plenty of time to get the AC-130 gunship there to protect the border from armed invasion.
The math does not work, unless you believe those who think Bush and Chertoff are derelict in their duties in the extreme.
Jaibones on January 9, 2007 at 12:01 PM
You think things are bad now. Imagine if Vincente Fox gave orders, through a radio address, for all Mexicans in the US to strike out against us. 21 million terrorists!
We wouldn’t stand a chance.
stonemeister on January 9, 2007 at 12:07 PM
Open Season
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 9, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Fox isnt El Presidente anymore.
This was prolly a diversion (or probe) for drug/human smugglers anyway.
Neo on January 9, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Dude.
Dude.
Dude!
Jaibones on January 9, 2007 at 12:17 PM
The Mexican Army doesn’t use AKs.So it could be mercs, paras, or plausible deniability.
Iblis on January 9, 2007 at 12:17 PM
That’s pretty much exactly what we’d have. Armed foreign troops crossing our border? This can’t be for real.
THeDRiFTeR on January 9, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Remember the Alamo. Victory or death. Viva Sam Houston.
Buck Turgidson on January 9, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Well, it likely wasn’t the Mexican Army proper. Iblis is right – their army doesn’t use AK-47s.
Slublog on January 9, 2007 at 12:24 PM
It’s not the first time. Here, here, here, and more recently, here.
BacaDog on January 9, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Well, how about we provide them a navigational aid in the form of a DAMN WALL?
The Monster on January 9, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Sorry about the Fox reference. Fox was on the record as supporting reconquista, but then so has Calderon, while also speaking out against it, aka John Kerry.
Thing is, if they gave such a command, we would crumble…and they know that.
We have already been invaded, the invaders are just waiting for their command to strike!
stonemeister on January 9, 2007 at 12:30 PM
sounds like retreat to me
Wade on January 9, 2007 at 12:32 PM
BTY – Where is our great, strong and courageous leader, President Bush? I have lost all confidence in him.
Wade on January 9, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Finally, we have someone local that the democrats can surrender to. Kissing terrorist a$$ from thousands of miles away is all well and good, but an armed force right across our border…man, we could actually get a good photo op of the American representatives face down in front of some armed bandito stomping on an american flag. I thought we’d have to wait til Hillary was President and the Islamists to build up forces in the US sufficiently, but, ask, and ye shall receive. I guess we better ‘tactically reposition ourselves’ to some other planet. God knows our government won’t fight back.
austinnelly on January 9, 2007 at 12:34 PM
It was a to the rear charge.
Benaiah on January 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Dude. Wake up. This has been going on for years now. It’s completely absurd that anyone acts surprised.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM
I’m glad that article mentioned this sort of thing has been going on for years. It’s no news to me.
Dan866 on January 9, 2007 at 12:35 PM
I’m not sure I would trust Wikipedia to get the answer right on this one. It may very well be correct.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 9, 2007 at 12:36 PM
Who cares who they were, if they carry a gun, they work for the drug dealers.
Mark V. on January 9, 2007 at 12:39 PM
The whole friggin’ Mexican Army works for the drug dealers!
stonemeister on January 9, 2007 at 12:42 PM
George Bush and Ted Kennedy don’t carry guns, and they work for the Mexican drug dealers.
Vicente Fox didn’t carry a gun, and he WAS the drug dealer.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 12:44 PM
You obviously have not lived in a community with a large hispanic population. They are not “invaders” only the radical want to invade, the vast majority, maybe 90%- 95% just want a better life. They are not a bunch of radical nationalists. To think they would “rise up” and follow Fox is ludicrous. Do not point out the protests last year in the streets, most of them were kids and legal. The illegals were at work making money.
The real problem they pose, is the sucking of our resources to support them medically and educationally. Most do not pay their share of taxes. Meanwhile they send a huge amount of money back home, out of the U.S. economy–a double whammy.
You do not have to have an uprising or physical confrontation to have an invasion.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 12:45 PM
But the drug cartels do, they have more money than the Mexican government and have bought off many in government and in the Federales. This is a way for the Mexican government to sit back and say “we didn’t do it” while Bush continues to feed us this BS that “Mexico is our friend.”
infidel4life on January 9, 2007 at 12:47 PM
I doubt that anyone will make a more stupid statement this year, and we are only in January.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 12:48 PM
I’m thinking drug cartel mercs.
spmat on January 9, 2007 at 12:48 PM
The National Guard should have sent a message back to Mexico in the form of body bags. What the hell are we waiting for? It’s one thing to stare at the troops across a border, but if you have the balls to cross it then you should have your balls blown off. It is time to waste anyone who comes across the border in this manner.
I welcome the order to be given, the country might wake up.
The midwest is armed and ready baby.
Gooch on January 9, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Using your own numbers, would you like to have a guess at how many “radical nationalists” we would be dealing with if they accounted for 5-10% of the Hispanic population? And what do you think would happen if that number suddenly decided to attack the remainder of the passive population?
I believe your comment above would easily win that prize. Aside from that, I stand by the evidence that Bush has not lifted a finger to stop the drug trade and has made a joke of our border security. He has absolutely no interest in stopping the flow of illegals, or the drug trade, which would seem to indicate a support of both.
Would you like to point to some evidence to prove otherwise?
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 12:57 PM
right2bright -
I humbly stand corrected. Not all of the 21 million Mexicans here are radical nationalists. Maybe only 10% would respond to a call to “strike” at the gringos. That’s a mere 2.1 million. Whew!
stonemeister on January 9, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Iblis: I was in Mexico City during some of the demonstrations this year and Mexican Federales WERE equipped with AK-47’s…Their para’s had a mix of Ak’s and some out of date Uzi’s.
DoctorDentons on January 9, 2007 at 1:03 PM
This isn’t the first time this has happened, and every time it does, haven’t you noticed the complete MSM blackout? The “poo pooing” of our elected officials? The complete double standard of never assigning proper blame to the Mexican forces and government for causing the problem in the first place? What about the Mexican military disarming the police force in Tijuana? Didn’t hear about that one? Hmmmmm……. The Mexican government teaches in their schools that the United States stole their land, and it is La Raza’s duty to take it back. The fifth colum are the 20 million illegals, and now, the next step….. Reconquista!
PinkyBigglesworth on January 9, 2007 at 1:04 PM
About a week ago, I posted that the immigration debacle was an invasion. The comment was dismissed as distracting to the issue and extreme.
Still feel that way?
voiceofreason on January 9, 2007 at 1:08 PM
AK 47’s?
When I was in Mexico City 10 years ago the police carried M-16’s and patrolled in 2’s.
Maybe they have both. Would be a bit odd though, because they use different ammo if I understand what I’ve read about the AK correctly, and normally militaries don’t set themselves up for failure by having different routine ammo being used by different units on a given scene.
Dwilkers on January 9, 2007 at 1:12 PM
Sorry Drifter. If you are trying to imply that this is no different than the US invading Iraq, you need to have your head examined.
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GT on January 9, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Only the beginning.
It is an “in your face and you CAN’T stop us” invasion.
WAKE UP! Your children will suffer if Bush and his boys get the cheap labor that they are selling us out for.
robman27 on January 9, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Yeah there could never be actual Mexican Military on the border, nope, never, in any way could this happen. LOL! right.
Oh and the Mexican military pretty much uses whatever they want, in these photos their carrying HK G3’s, but they have used FN F.A.L.’s, M16’s (and the variants) as well as communist block weapons ie AK’s Chicom’s and the like. They purchase wherever they get the best deal.
AZPatriot on January 9, 2007 at 1:18 PM
You know, now that I think about it, President Bush hasn’t done anything to protect us from an invasion of zombies and UFOs.
Guess that means the president is pro-zombie and pro-citizens eaten by little green men, as well.
After all, there is no evidence to prove otherwise.
Slublog on January 9, 2007 at 1:20 PM
Sleep …
Sleeeeeeep …
Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep …..
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 1:20 PM
Usually, Gregor, when you charge someone of a crime, you are the one that has to come up with proof. What ties and what information do you have to back up your claim? In this country we do not have to prove our innocence, you have to prove he is guilty. I agree he (and Kennedy)are not stemming the tide of illegals, but what proof do you have that they are in bed with the drug cartels?
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Brilliant comparison.
I fail to remember the last time aliens from outer space were caught moving drugs in and out of our borders.
I fail to remember the last alien from outer space who was given a free education, free medical, and free exemption from our laws.
And I fail to remember the last time I saw 100,000 aliens from outer space marching down our streets claiming that they own our country while hanging our flag upside down.
But you’re right. It’s the same thing.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Thank you. I figured it was apt, given what you’ve alleged about the president.
Slublog on January 9, 2007 at 1:26 PM
You know what else is dangerous? Dihydrogen monoxide. It’s actually killed people.
And the president has done nothing about it.
Slublog on January 9, 2007 at 1:30 PM
So he’s pro-Dihydrogen monoxide now?! I bet he’s swimming in it! He want’s it delivered to every home in America!
WE’RE ALL DOOMED!
stonemeister on January 9, 2007 at 1:31 PM
I know…where’s Rachel Carson when you need her?
What’s that? She’s…oh…dead? Oh, okay.
Never mind, then.
Slublog on January 9, 2007 at 1:33 PM
What I said was, maybe 5-10% would have radical thoughts, and that is probably to high. Out of those you are asking how many would attack if Fox gave the ok. Probably none, Fox is not the radicals candidate. The thought of Fox giving orders a few hundred men to attack the U.S. is, not very well thought out…how is that for being nice.
This is the way moonbats think, only a handful are radicals, maybe hundreds (mostly school kids) and none of them are followers of Fox. Come on use some sense. Raza is the radical group, ask them what they think of Fox. The hispanics want what we have, a job, a home, food on the table.
You guys have to read up on the Mexican culture, not the politicals, but the culture. They are good people that need to be assimilated in the U.S. properly. They are an asset like the Italians, Germans, Irish (?), Armenians, Jews, etc. They are part of the fabric of America, we just have to weave them in legally and justly.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 1:35 PM
right2bright -
Are you talking about Mexicans or about Germans in the ’30’s? So we should allow this invasion because leftists feel good about it?
stonemeister on January 9, 2007 at 1:38 PM
They have been pretty angry lately. Maybe this would act as a soothing balm on their emotional health.
It’s all about the new tone.
Slublog on January 9, 2007 at 1:41 PM
I asked nothing of the sort. I asked you “what you thought would happen” if 5-10% of the Hispanic population attacked.
And I never mentioned Fox.
Fox is not the President of Mexico any longer. You’re merging my post with that of another person.
And I also have nothing against Hispanics. My son is half Mexican and many of the best people I’ve known are Mexican. My concerns are with illegals of any origin, the drug cartels, and the group La Raza. It has nothing to do with race.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Yeah, stonmeister, I am a real leftist. Your beginning to edge out gregor and his post.
I am talking about the Germans, Italians, Poles, Irish, Chinese, etc. who have all came into America. What we have to do..and here is where I type real slow so you can understand…assimilate them legally, justly, and responsibly. It helps if you read the whole posting.
I am not an isolationist, as you apparently are. All of your ancestors born here? I didn’t think so.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 1:48 PM
right2bright -
We aren’t the Borg…if they refuse to assimilate, they won’t. And they do refuse. They refuse to learn English, obey the laws (like the one about legally imigrating?)…I’m not claiming that the ALL are illegals, but the illegal ones are. All of them. 100% of illegal aliens are breaking the law.
You seem to be in favor of obeying only those laws with which you agree. This is called “anarchy”, not “assimilation”.
So who is assimilating whom?
stonemeister on January 9, 2007 at 1:53 PM
I would not expect race as being part of your concern gregor, you don’t strike as that kind of poster. I was only stating that the radicals have very little to do with the politicos in Mexico. Political power here in the States, along with the drug money is driving these radical groups. I agree with you about the cartels, and illegals, no argurment there. Just accusing a president, or any one else of being part of a criminal activity like drug dealing is just not fair, accusations are cheap. I think you are a lot smarter than that.
But I do understand your frustration. All you have to look at is the number of judges or drug enforcement people killed in Tijuana in the past few years, and you can see the creeping choas and mayhem that is seeping into our cities…across the country, not just border towns. And the process being proposed, in congress,will make it worse.
My apology if you felt I was taking a racist shot would never make that accustation without some substance.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 1:57 PM
For those who believe the answer is that simple … watch this.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 1:58 PM
You thought people invaded countries to make their personal life worse?
No offense but its people like you who make this problem worse. How many Americans have been run out of their neighborhoods, communities and/or schools because Mexico came to them, not the other way around? How much money is that worth to you? How will them “paying their fair share” change that? How can people being run out of the communities their forefathers lived in be A-ok with you if they would only pat taxes?
Is it because we’re Americans & we deserve it? Is it because most of us are white that we deserve it? Is it because we arent a 3rd world country that we deserve it? Or is it simply you wanting to fill your pockets at the expense of your own people?
People like you are the problem…
DwnSouthJukin on January 9, 2007 at 2:00 PM
The vast majority are learning and assimilating. The ones that work on the farms, like Pelosi’s, are not. They are slave labor, living is squalor.
No squabble about illegal, my squabble is with the statement that they will rise up and revolt violently. They are inherently peaceful. Won’t do it unless congress continues to ignore or pacify the outcry and their numbers grow along with the discontent because we cannot assimilate (dump the borg stuff, save it for Kos)them properly.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Right2bright …
I didn’t intend to accuse Bush of “being part of the cartels.”
I said he is doing nothing to stop it. He has allowed the cartels to make a joke of our border laws and security. He has played political games with the National Guard, putting them on the border for nothing more than an illusion, while not allowing them to actually DO anything. And recently we had two border agents sentenced to prison for shooting a low life worthless drug runner, and Bush has completely ignored all calls to intervene, due to his ties with the Mexican government.
Through inaction, he is without a doubt assisting the drug cartels. Through his pandering to Mexican officials, he is undoubtedly assisting in their illegal activity.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Come to Texas bud….thats an absolute lie
DwnSouthJukin on January 9, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Whomever opens a taco stand/prayer rug store could get rich.
infidel on January 9, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Eat tacos and bang your head on the rug, all under one tent.
Daily specials at Muhammad Garcia’s for two Amero’s.
infidel on January 9, 2007 at 2:19 PM
It may have been a genuine mistake….
Which is where a wall would come in handy.
“Look, there’s a wall. I guess we’re at the border and should turn around.”
See, it simplifies things so much.
Jones Zemkophill on January 9, 2007 at 2:20 PM
right2bright, I agree with you based on my personal experience although I have not read much about the Mexican culture. The Mexicans I know are sweet, decent people with no more of a percentage being “radicalized” than are in any other group.
A couple of weeks ago I got a pretty big surprise. It’s anecdotal, but…I was having a conversation with the wife of a police officer and she mentioned that the Mexican Mafia had a huge presence in her small town. I asked her why and she replied that the Mexican Mafia loves to settle in towns where there is no media. I mentioned this conversation to my Dad who is a Lion with the Chief of Police in the same town. My Dad was dubious – but next time he saw the Chief, he confirmed and said several Mexican Mafia gang members were in his county jail.
RushBaby on January 9, 2007 at 2:31 PM
The site article (Euphoric Reality) links to the following youtube video at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LRztX5MXJA
Honestly, I see no evidence that they were “deep in American soil” in this video. Also, I speak Spanish quite fluently and the man did not act angry or agitated. Indeed even to a non Spanish speaker his tone alone does not convey this. He seemed calm and polite. In fact, from what I could understand he said that they were “patrolling the border fringe and guarding” (which is what we hope they are doing) and that “it does not discommode us that you be here”.
Not saying there isn’t a problem on the border but that there is no need to make sensationalist crap up either.
Just sayin’
Crashpanic on January 9, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Especially if one accepts payment in pesos…
Entelechy on January 9, 2007 at 2:42 PM
I think it goes beyond what any of us can even comprehend. Here’s a link to an LA Times article from 1996 when he was governor of Texas.
(excerpt)
I don’t know how that could be read in any other way than Bush trying to protect the Mexican drug smugglers.
Perchant on January 9, 2007 at 2:50 PM
The Mexican has made numerous incursions into southern Arizona alone, in one instance they went as far as 60 miles into our state. they’ve flow military helicopters into the souther part of Arizona in the past also. We’ve even captured Mexican military soldiers only to release them at the border and give their weapons back to them.
This is nothing new it’s been going on for years, and anyone who thinks otherwise just needs to come and take a vacation in the southern part of our state to see it for themselves.
I know this same thing occurs all along our border with Mexico and not just in Arizona, but I’ve only been a personal witness to it here in my state.
For a history on this just visit Ranch Rescues media page.
Oh and if you decide to come and visit the border, come armed because it’s usually not as peaceful as the MSM would have you believe. No sensationalism, just fact.
AZPatriot on January 9, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Sounds like 1846 all over again, except that unlike Polk, Jorge’s got no balls!
On Apr. 25, 1846, Mexican troops crossed the Rio Grande and ambushed a detachment of American dragoons commanded by Capt. Seth B. Thornton. Taylor’s report of this ambush reached President Polk on the evening of May 9, a Saturday. On Monday, May 11, Polk presented his war message to Congress, and on Wednesday, May 13, over the vigorous opposition of the abolitionists, the U.S. Congress voted to declare war on Mexico. In the meantime two more Mexican attacks had been made across the Rio Grande at Palo Alto (May 8) and Resaca de la Palma (May 9), and both had been repulsed.
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 9, 2007 at 3:39 PM
I thought the Mexican Army were mercs. Or at least enforcers for the drug runners.
Wolfman on January 9, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Oh I’m sorry! Chartoff said they were navigational mistakes. Must have been by the Mexican Navy!
God forgid any of those Canucks ever try such a thing!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 9, 2007 at 3:45 PM
What!…The Mexican government can supply potential sources of national income (we know them as illegal aliens) with a GPS but not their military. Who would have thought.
brtex on January 9, 2007 at 4:21 PM
You are right, the Mexican Mafia, EME and La Nuestra Familia are branching out, further than the Suenos and Nortenos. MS-13 is the one that more than likely is taking resident in the South. Here in North Carolina it is MS-13; it has relationship with most of the Mexican Mafia (many splinter groups, 4th street in Santa Ana, Cruzars in East LA, etc.). That is the one that is the most ruthless and the one growing in strength. I would bet that the ones in jail were from MS-13. The Mexican Mafia is no longer relagated to California, another great export from California. With free health care on the way, good luck Calfornia.
LaRaza does not admit the existence of MS-13.
This is what unbridled immigration brings.
BTW, EME is infamous for using their women as street carriers and drug smugglers, especially pregant and ones and women with infants. They hold them in high esteem, and are an integral part of the system, born in…die out.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 4:48 PM
Bush has an affinity to the Mexican people, no doubt. And see there illegal crossing as a way to excape from a “no hope” life. Don’t read into it that he is helped by the drug cartel’s. You cannot make that leap honestly with any real association. Bash him on being lenient with immigrants, bash him for catering to the hispanic votes, but don’t start pulling statements from years ago to support some imaginary sceniario. It only shows that he has been consistent in his support of hispanic immigrants, and lax in the illegal immigrant problem. We start using argurments that other see as ridiculous and the debate on the border falls apart. Stick with the facts, not some string of consciousness that is not base in reality. Don’t let your paranoia lead you to “Bush is in bed with the drug lords”. If that was true, do you think the dems would sit on it? Bush in supporting drug cartels, Bush is fighting the war for profits, Bush is in bed with any number of defense contractors, Bush wanted blacks to die in New Orleans, Bush stopped people from voting, on and on. See how you look when you are lumped with the other Bush haters? They all have the same facts as you….none.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Lets seeeee…..in my arsenol I have….
Colt AR15 (heh heh pre-ban)
Sig Sauer 9 MM
Kimber .45
S&W .45
Winchester .30-.30
Remington .270 win
Mossberg Model 500 tactical shotgun (2)
eh, about 6,000 rnds of ammunition.
I can only shoot one at a time, so whose going to the border with me?
csdeven on January 9, 2007 at 5:14 PM
do you have a sense of decency or compassion in your arsenal? As if shooting mexicans will solve anything…
crr6 on January 9, 2007 at 6:26 PM
What would Barney do?
(Since George is obviously not interested in protecting the USA)
Mellen on January 9, 2007 at 6:27 PM
Hey Gooch,
The border guards can’t shoot back either–unless they want to spend 10 plus years in prison.
I am so DISGUSTED with george Bush…I would like see him go the way of Saadam
Mellen on January 9, 2007 at 6:28 PM
What decency or compassion do you have towards the people preyed on by illegals each & every day in this country? Hopw many are dead? raped? stolen from, assaulted? Where’s your compassion for them? Do they deserve it because they are American?
DwnSouthJukin on January 9, 2007 at 6:46 PM
Let me be real clear about it. When Bush was Governor of Texas, his main agenda was present and future relations with Mexico, which is understandable for a border state governor, especially one with a fetish for Hispanic culture.
His agenda was predicated on very warm relations with the Mexican government, particularly the governors of the Mexican states. He spent an awful lot of time with these Mexican governors, making dozens of trips to Mexico and inviting them to Austin. He listened to their main concerns and became their advocate in the US.
The problem is…those Mexican Governors are the drug problem. The best of them merely accept bribes for looking the other way, the worst of them are drug kingpins. So when Bush illogically pleads that requiring Mexico to help us crackdown on smugglers “would have devastating effects for the citizens of the U.S.-Mexico region.”, what he’s doing is repeating what these Mexican officials have told him over and over in the hope that Bush’s influence will protect their smuggling operations.
When you ask a Mexican Governor about drug smuggling he’ll tell you it’s America’s fault for having so much demand. It was also Bush’s philosophy which he’s had to pretend to amend a bit after conservatives were none too pleased with it.
You can argue that Bush is merely their dupe if you want but he had no choice other than to got to bat for these people whose friendship he absolutely required for his Texas agenda and political future. It isn’t about evil.
Perchant on January 9, 2007 at 7:03 PM
Not to be snarky but La Raza means “the race.” On their side, it DOES have something to do with race.
But I’m way too annoyed by this subject to post on it anymore. It’s simply the wanton destruction of the sovereignty of the USA. “US Citizen” has no meaning now, except that you must pay taxes for all those other “undocumented Americans” to live. I don’t believe we should be forced to pay taxes without representation. The good of the US Citizen is no longer represented by this government.
NTWR on January 9, 2007 at 7:07 PM
The political / business class are silently selling out the country.
Compassion begins at home.
Not for those robbing your house.
No matter how “pitiful” they seem as they pick your pocket.
A U.S. city will have to die -from some form of WMD- before this national disgrace ends.
To paraphrase the bandit in “The Treasure of Sierra Madre“:
“Borders? We dont respect no stinkin’ borders!”
To which our President and Congress chime in:
“Laws? Mexicans don’t need to obey our stinkin’ laws!.”
Shameful scum, one and all.
Thieves, liars, traitors and fools.
profitsbeard on January 9, 2007 at 7:09 PM
That was the statement that irked me, you have found other ways to “read” it. The knee jerk reaction of you original and others post of Bush being in bed with drug cartels is too simple. It makes you look like a loon when you compare it to the liberal bloggers who state Bush is in bed with the oil cartel, in bed with contractors, killing blacks, etc. If we focus on, “stop them at the border”, all of the other issues will be resolved, without making accusations that cannot be backed up. We are not Dan Rather.
right2bright on January 9, 2007 at 7:22 PM
That was the statement that irked me, you have found other ways to “read” it.
right2bright
I believe the statement to be absolutely correct and I stand by it. If you can offer a different interpretation of the statement, perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
Again, I don’t believe Bush was protecting drug smugglers out of some evil impulse anymore than I believe Churchill posed for pictures with Stalin out of some evil impulse.
Perchant on January 9, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Don’t forget whores.
infidel4life on January 9, 2007 at 8:01 PM
The national gaurd wasn’t retreating. They were redeploying to a strategic location. We all know how important Okinawa is, maybe they can patrol the border from there?
Why werent they on the scene within minutes of thier arrival?
Resolute on January 9, 2007 at 8:16 PM
10%? Not a chance. 10 individual lunatics, maybe. And we wouldn’t even have to fight them ourselves; we could hire Mexican immigrants to do it for us.
Illegal immigration is a serious problem, but let’s be realistic here. These people aren’t robots taking orders from the Mexican government. There are a lot of reasons to be concerned about immigration from Mexico, but armed insurrection by hispanics is not one of them.
sandberg on January 9, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Bush has an affinity to the Mexican people, no doubt.
His sister in law is Mexican.
sandberg on January 9, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Illegals don’t belong here. I couldn’t care less what ethnicity they are, breaking U.S. laws to enter the U.S. should lead to immediate forfeiture of any chance at future lawful entry. Any government official who doesn’t begin from that position is failing his oath of office.
What happened on the border may have been a navigational error on the part of the Mexican gunmen, and it may not. What is true is that the moment they crossed the border they were subject to our laws, and properly there should have been some attempt to communicate with them. I don’t desire violent confrontation, and wouldn’t want to have to give that order, but if it came to that, it wouldn’t be wrong. What disturbs me is that they moved across the border, carrying weapons, and were allowed to move back with no consequences, not even a verbal confrontation. The reverse would not be true.
Our President, unfortunately, has invited this sort of behavior through his decisions to avoid enforcement of our national sovereignty. While that isn’t proof, or even strong evidence that he is “in bed with the drug cartels”, it is suggestive that they (drug cartels) are appreciative of our current policies vis-a-vis immigration and border security. The operative question at this time should be:
Why are our President, and many other U.S. government officials, serving the interests of foreign criminals better than the citizens of their own country?
Combining the wisdom of Occam and William Goldman (NOT W. Mark Felt aka Deep Throat), we should follow the money. In the case of politicians, it should really be follow the votes.
Freelancer on January 9, 2007 at 8:59 PM
In order to believe this, you have to actually accept that Bush is simply stupid. You have to believe that the President of the United States, for whatever reason, simply doesn’t understand the damage another 30 – 100 million illegals will do to this country financially. You have to believe that Bush actually believes these people are only doing jobs that Americans won’t do, which is complete nonsense. You would have to believe that Bush actually believes that releasing illegals back into the community after committing a crime is the right thing to do, even though it’s been reported that 85% of those released fail to show up for their court hearings. You would have to believe that Bush truly believes the American taxpayers should pay for millions of illegals to get a free education while being forced to pay a fortune to educate our own children. You would have to believe that the entire amnesty proposal is something Bush simply believes is the right thing to do, and if that’s the case, you have to ask yourself why he feels he needs to lie to the American public by calling it something it’s not (comprehensive immigration reform).
At the absolute least, Bush is a compulsive liar.
At worst, he is selling out this country to Mexico for his own personal gain.
Either way, he is a miserable failure and not a President we should be proud of.
All evidence would indicate that there are hidden reasons and hidden agendas behind this President’s relationship with the Mexican government. I would say that to believe otherwise would be to be blind to the world around you.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 8:59 PM
WOW! This comment gives new meaning to THIS.
Gregor on January 9, 2007 at 9:07 PM
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